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MaybeWavyMaybeWavy Posts: 374Registered Users
My boss is a fallen away catholic. I am not. He wants to discuss the 'evilness' of the catholic church, and pushes all the usual stupidity about how we 'worship Mary' and 'pray to statues'...worn out, tired, baseless statements that are far from original, and it pisses me. Never mind that we're WORK!

He blathers on about how he's looking for the truth and all this crap and what it boils down to is he's anticatholic and doesn't have enough time to spout the venom that he feels.

Which, okay, fine. He doesn't like the Church. But it's MY FAITH, OBVIOUSLY I believe it. He's my boss. We're not going to agree. Leave it alone. Stop BEATING, the horse is DEAD!

I was so pissed about it I was shaking.

I gotta learn to just let this stuff roll off. He's been jacked up by the big boss in PDx before...I don't want to have to do it again, cuz he'll probably get axed, but I really don't enjoy defending my faith to someone who's stupid enough to swallow all the hogwash that he has.

It's alot like trying to teach a pig to sing, you know? You get pissed and the pig gets annoyed.

I'm just not sure if I'm the pig or not.:sad8:
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  • merynmeryn Posts: 1,806Registered Users
    What a dolt. VERY inappropriate. Do you have human resources department?
  • RedCatWavesRedCatWaves Posts: 31,258Registered Users
    No support from me...I think it's a ridiculous religion and harmful to women.
  • The New BlackThe New Black Posts: 16,738Registered Users
    Man, that's rude.

    Tell him it's not appropriate to discuss these things at work. Since the two of you disagree any discussion could get unnecessarily heated. He should be able to respect that.
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  • redcelticcurlsredcelticcurls Posts: 17,502Registered Users
    No support from me...I think it's a ridiculous religion and harmful to women.

    While I am inclined to agree, it is still very unacceptable workplace behavior. Surely you can agree to that.

    To the OP, if he doesn't respond to your requests, take it to HR.
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  • RedCatWavesRedCatWaves Posts: 31,258Registered Users
    No support from me...I think it's a ridiculous religion and harmful to women.

    While I am inclined to agree, it is still very unacceptable workplace behavior. Surely you can agree to that.

    To the OP, if he doesn't respond to your requests, take it to HR.


    True...it's not appropriate workplace conversation and could be construed as harrassment.
  • NetGNetG Posts: 8,116Registered Users
    I agree with others - totally not ok. The fact I'm not Catholic, and don't "get" your beliefs since I don't agree doesn't mean you should be so disrespected and made to feel so uncomfortable in your workplace.
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  • MaybeWavyMaybeWavy Posts: 374Registered Users
    No support from me...I think it's a ridiculous religion and harmful to women.
    :laughing7: Figured someone would have have something like that to say. Whatever.

    I am gonna have to buck up and take it to the HR dept, except that it consists of his direct boss (very small company-my office consists of 5 people, and about 8 in PDx.)

    It just makes me sad that he can't see we need to just agree to disagree and leave it alone, because in all other respects, he's a pretty good boss. Just a too much ambition, misdirected.

    And a little blatant stupidity. I don't deal well with that.
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  • g-stringrannyg-stringranny Posts: 2,701Registered Users
    MaybeWavy wrote: »
    No support from me...I think it's a ridiculous religion and harmful to women.
    :laughing7: Figured someone would have have something like that to say. Whatever.

    I am gonna have to buck up and take it to the HR dept, except that it consists of his direct boss (very small company-my office consists of 5 people, and about 8 in PDx.)

    It just makes me sad that he can't see we need to just agree to disagree and leave it alone, because in all other respects, he's a pretty good boss. Just a too much ambition, misdirected.

    And a little blatant stupidity. I don't deal well with that.

    Have you told him that the workplace is not the place to discuss religion? If so, then I would go to his boss. Yes, it would be sad if he got fired, but he needs to understand that not everyone will agree with him & his ideas should not make other people at work feel uncomfortable. You're there to work, not defend your beliefs.

    I had a bible thumping manager once. He would drive me crazy. If I didn't agree with him, he would turn bright red in the face & start spewing out scriptures. I finally told him to do this on his off time & not to worry that I will be going to hell, in his opinion. I was there to do my work, not talk religion. This took place 10 years ago & I no longer work for him, but we still keep in touch. He just called me last night. We never talk religion.
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  • LoloDSMLoloDSM Posts: 3,778Registered Users
    His behavior could be considered religious discrimination or harassment. Report it to his boss. Once the employer knows about his behavior, it has an obligation to stop it. If it doesn't, it could be subjected to a civil rights complaint (should you ever feel compelled to go that route). You shouldn't be harassed at work and he needs to knock it off before he gets himself and his employer in trouble.

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  • legendslegends Posts: 3,073Registered Users
    I dislike the catholic church intensely, but that is incredibly inappropriate at work. I agree that you should report him, or at least make it clear to him that you don't appreciate his remarks, and then report him if he continues.
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  • lazy loopslazy loops Posts: 8,792Registered Users
    No support from me...I think it's a ridiculous religion and harmful to women.

    That's (I think) the only thing I have trouble with in this religion.

    ~~~

    Mary is worshiped?! :shock:

    Statues are prayed to?! :shock:

    But anyhow, yeah, whatever, :roll: he has no right to bring that into the workplace & harass you or anyone else about it.
  • ajaneajane Posts: 323Registered Users
    Is it possible to say, "There are some discussions not meant for the workplace." Then if it keeps up take it to management then?

    Catholics do not worship Mary or statues. I am a cradle catholic who wandered away (to my detriment) for a while during college and for some time after. I tried other faiths including protestantism and eastern religions, but they just never "fit" or "felt right" for me. But I did learn there are similarities fundamentally, especially the concepts of grace, peace, and forgiveness that transend all religions or lack of them. That is what I believe in, and attending the catholic church is just the outer way I practice that. But pushing those things on other people I find great offense with.

    I did find myself feeling really angry about the lot in life for the nuns in Rome though! GRRRRR......
  • RedCatWavesRedCatWaves Posts: 31,258Registered Users
    ajane wrote: »
    I did find myself feeling really angry about the lot in life for the nuns in Rome though! GRRRRR......



    What is their terrible lot in life?

    In the USA, nuns live a nice life. They have their room and board and education taken care of by the church during their active adult years, and when they get very old, they retire to private nursing homes run by the RC church, but which the US Gov't pays for, because every single one of them is on Medicaid. That's right...the RC church's nuns are on the taxpayer dole. Sweet deal for the RC church and the nuns are treated better than the average Medicaid nursing home resident.
  • legendslegends Posts: 3,073Registered Users
    ajane wrote: »
    I did find myself feeling really angry about the lot in life for the nuns in Rome though! GRRRRR......



    What is their terrible lot in life?

    In the USA, nuns live a nice life. They have their room and board and education taken care of by the church during their active adult years, and when they get very old, they retire to private nursing homes run by the RC church, but which the US Gov't pays for, because every single one of them is on Medicaid. That's right...the RC church's nuns are on the taxpayer dole. Sweet deal for the RC church and the nuns are treated better than the average Medicaid nursing home resident.
    Yep. Especially when they don't pay taxes.
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  • ajaneajane Posts: 323Registered Users
    The ones we encountered were maintaining the churches, working the gift shops, and very crabby.
  • redcelticcurlsredcelticcurls Posts: 17,502Registered Users
    ajane wrote: »
    Is it possible to say, "There are some discussions not meant for the workplace." Then if it keeps up take it to management then?

    Catholics do not worship Mary or statues. I am a cradle catholic who wandered away (to my detriment) for a while during college and for some time after. I tried other faiths including protestantism and eastern religions, but they just never "fit" or "felt right" for me. But I did learn there are similarities fundamentally, especially the concepts of grace, peace, and forgiveness that transend all religions or lack of them. That is what I believe in, and attending the catholic church is just the outer way I practice that. But pushing those things on other people I find great offense with.

    I did find myself feeling really angry about the lot in life for the nuns in Rome though! GRRRRR......

    Serious question, not snarky.

    If one prays to Mary (as I interpet a hail Mary as a prayer to her) how is that not worship?
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  • MaybeWavyMaybeWavy Posts: 374Registered Users
    What is their terrible lot in life?

    In the USA, nuns live a nice life. They have their room and board and education taken care of by the church during their active adult years, and when they get very old, they retire to private nursing homes run by the RC church, but which the US Gov't pays for, because every single one of them is on Medicaid. That's right...the RC church's nuns are on the taxpayer dole. Sweet deal for the RC church and the nuns are treated better than the average Medicaid nursing home resident.

    Where are these private nursing homes? I'm curious because I'm sure some of the ladies at St. G's (the local convent) would be quite interested in them. (The ones taking care of the retired and elderly nuns in the convent, I mean...) Its interesting how they ALL do this but its such a secret that the nuns themselves know nothing about it.

    Smells alot like a bull has been here.
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  • MaybeWavyMaybeWavy Posts: 374Registered Users

    If one prays to Mary (as I interpet a hail Mary as a prayer to her) how is that not worship?
    The hail mary is actually a very biblical prayer...

    "Hail Mary full of grace Blessed are you among women and blessed is the fruit of your womb" stated by the angel Gabriel at the anunciation...it's in the bible, should n't be a problem there, is there?

    Holy mary mother of God (well, Jesus is God, she's his mom, no problem there, is there?)

    Pray for us sinners (you can pray for me, right? Why can't she? She's in heaven, Christians believe in life after death, so not necromancy or anything like that, so no problem there, right?)

    Now and at the hour of our death (seems reasonable...pray for me now, and when I'm dying...)

    Worship is what you do for God.
    Prayer and worship are different on many levels...prayer means to ask (I pray thee) whereas worship...that's a whole different game.

    Clear as mud?:wink:

    Ok, from about.com...not my fave but it'll do in a pinch

    Many non-Catholic Christians believe that it is wrong to pray to the saints, claiming that our prayers should be directed to God alone. Some Catholics, responding to this criticism, have argued that we do not pray to the saints but with them.
    Both groups, however, are confusing prayer with worship. True worship (as opposed to veneration or honor) does indeed belong to God alone, and we should never worship man or any other creature as we worship God. But while worship may take the form of prayer, as in the Mass and other liturgies of the Church, not all prayer is worship. When we pray to the saints, we’re simply asking them to help us, by praying to God on our behalf, or thanking them for having already done so.
    Sort of like asking your mom to ask your dad if you can borrow the car, because your dads a little grouchy...
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  • legendslegends Posts: 3,073Registered Users
    MaybeWavy wrote: »

    Where are these private nursing homes? I'm curious because I'm sure some of the ladies at St. G's (the local convent) would be quite interested in them. (The ones taking care of the retired and elderly nuns in the convent, I mean...) Its interesting how they ALL do this but its such a secret that the nuns themselves know nothing about it.

    Smells alot like a bull has been here.
    I think that's what she means by private nursing homes. My high school had the convent and the nursing home on the same grounds, and while the nh isn't luxuriously by any means (I visited a few months back to see a former teacher, and I'd been there as a student), it's run by the church/convent(i.e. it's private), and all their needs are taken care of. Much better than many nursing homes I've seen.
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  • redcelticcurlsredcelticcurls Posts: 17,502Registered Users
    MaybeWavy wrote: »

    If one prays to Mary (as I interpet a hail Mary as a prayer to her) how is that not worship?
    The hail mary is actually a very biblical prayer...

    "Hail Mary full of grace Blessed are you among women and blessed is the fruit of your womb" stated by the angel Gabriel at the anunciation...it's in the bible, should n't be a problem there, is there?

    Holy mary mother of God (well, Jesus is God, she's his mom, no problem there, is there?)

    Pray for us sinners (you can pray for me, right? Why can't she?)

    Now and at the hour of our death (seems reasonable...pray for me now, and when I'm dying...)

    Worship is what you do for God.
    Prayer and worship are different on many levels...prayer means to ask (I pray thee) whereas worship...that's a whole different game.

    Clear as mud?:wink:

    Lol, yes, clear as mud.

    It's not something that bothers or offends me. I'm a Unitarian, so praying to womever or whatever you like is not a big deal to us. I actually think that such reverence or perhaps even worship of Mary is sort of interesting as it does place some femine aspect back into Divnity, along with those who call the Holy Spirit Sophia.

    I just see a blurred line between prayer/reverence/worship.
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  • RedCatWavesRedCatWaves Posts: 31,258Registered Users
    MaybeWavy wrote: »
    What is their terrible lot in life?

    In the USA, nuns live a nice life. They have their room and board and education taken care of by the church during their active adult years, and when they get very old, they retire to private nursing homes run by the RC church, but which the US Gov't pays for, because every single one of them is on Medicaid. That's right...the RC church's nuns are on the taxpayer dole. Sweet deal for the RC church and the nuns are treated better than the average Medicaid nursing home resident.

    Where are these private nursing homes? I'm curious because I'm sure some of the ladies at St. G's (the local convent) would be quite interested in them. (The ones taking care of the retired and elderly nuns in the convent, I mean...) Its interesting how they ALL do this but its such a secret that the nuns themselves know nothing about it.

    Smells alot like a bull has been here.

    I used to work as a quality control nurse for a laboratory that had nursing homes exclusively for their clients. My territory was northern and central NJ, and I visted each of my nursing homes monthly. There were at least 3 such private RC nursing homes in my territory. I know the nuns were all on Medicaid because I was privy to their medical charts. I don't know about other states, but I assume if the RC church is getting away with this in NJ, they are getting away with it elsewhere.
  • MistressM.MistressM. Banned Posts: 254Banned Users
    MaybeWavy wrote: »

    If one prays to Mary (as I interpet a hail Mary as a prayer to her) how is that not worship?
    The hail mary is actually a very biblical prayer...

    "Hail Mary full of grace Blessed are you among women and blessed is the fruit of your womb" stated by the angel Gabriel at the anunciation...it's in the bible, should n't be a problem there, is there?

    Holy mary mother of God (well, Jesus is God, she's his mom, no problem there, is there?)

    Pray for us sinners (you can pray for me, right? Why can't she?)

    Now and at the hour of our death (seems reasonable...pray for me now, and when I'm dying...)

    Worship is what you do for God.
    Prayer and worship are different on many levels...prayer means to ask (I pray thee) whereas worship...that's a whole different game.

    Clear as mud?:wink:

    Wanted to add onto this that with the saints, you ask them to pray for you, you don't pray to them.
  • RedCatWavesRedCatWaves Posts: 31,258Registered Users
    legends wrote: »
    ajane wrote: »
    I did find myself feeling really angry about the lot in life for the nuns in Rome though! GRRRRR......



    What is their terrible lot in life?

    In the USA, nuns live a nice life. They have their room and board and education taken care of by the church during their active adult years, and when they get very old, they retire to private nursing homes run by the RC church, but which the US Gov't pays for, because every single one of them is on Medicaid. That's right...the RC church's nuns are on the taxpayer dole. Sweet deal for the RC church and the nuns are treated better than the average Medicaid nursing home resident.
    Yep. Especially when they don't pay taxes.


    Nope, they never pay a drop of taxes. Not the church, nor the nuns. Then they get a free ride at retirement time courtesy of our Uncle Sam.
  • ajaneajane Posts: 323Registered Users
    We venerate Mary, or respect her, ask for her guidance or prayer.
  • RedCatWavesRedCatWaves Posts: 31,258Registered Users
    legends wrote: »
    MaybeWavy wrote: »

    Where are these private nursing homes? I'm curious because I'm sure some of the ladies at St. G's (the local convent) would be quite interested in them. (The ones taking care of the retired and elderly nuns in the convent, I mean...) Its interesting how they ALL do this but its such a secret that the nuns themselves know nothing about it.

    Smells alot like a bull has been here.
    I think that's what she means by private nursing homes. My high school had the convent and the nursing home on the same grounds, and while the nh isn't luxuriously by any means (I visited a few months back to see a former teacher, and I'd been there as a student), it's run by the church/convent(i.e. it's private), and all their needs are taken care of. Much better than many nursing homes I've seen.


    Yes, they were large diocese, and the ones that I saw had nursing homes on the same grounds as the high school and convent.
  • MaybeWavyMaybeWavy Posts: 374Registered Users
    So by that same logic, a baptist pastors on medicaid is a horrible thing as well, I suppose. Or maybe just priests? Whatever.

    Christian attitude there (I know that Universalists have a similar thought, just not sure what to call it....not very familiar with that...:wink:)


    It must be a diocesan thing, because we don't have them here.

    I just find it interesting that whats ok for some isn't ok for others, just because they're connected to the church...
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    This is an HR violation. Take it to HR or to his boss. He needs to stop doing that.
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  • EliciaElicia Posts: 881Registered Users
    It is not appropriate for your boss or anyone else in the workplace to force their religious beliefs or lack thereof onto the employees. IT makes for a hostile work environment. It is not an appropriate subject unless you work for a religions organization and even then there are limits. Tell him in a professional way to knock it the hell off. If he continues tell him to knock it off in writing. If he does not stop go to Hr.
  • redcelticcurlsredcelticcurls Posts: 17,502Registered Users
    MaybeWavy wrote: »
    So by that same logic, a baptist pastors on medicaid is a horrible thing as well, I suppose. Or maybe just priests? Whatever.

    Christian attitude there (I know that Universalists have a similar thought, just not sure what to call it....not very familiar with that...:wink:)


    It must be a diocesan thing, because we don't have them here.

    I just find it interesting that whats ok for some isn't ok for others, just because they're connected to the church...

    On which part, perhaps I can try to clarify.
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  • RedCatWavesRedCatWaves Posts: 31,258Registered Users
    MaybeWavy wrote: »
    So by that same logic, a baptist pastors on medicaid is a horrible thing as well, I suppose. Or maybe just priests? Whatever.

    Christian attitude there (I know that Universalists have a similar thought, just not sure what to call it....not very familiar with that...:wink:)


    It must be a diocesan thing, because we don't have them here.

    I just find it interesting that whats ok for some isn't ok for others, just because they're connected to the church...


    Yup...pretty much any religion that is exempt from paying taxes and then collects gov't welfare would be the same in my mind...evil and crooked.

    I think the RC's are a bit different than most mainstream religions though, because RC nuns and priests don't pay personal taxes like many religious leaders do...they get away with that because the RC church doesn't pay them a salary, and they aren't allowed to "own" anything. The RC church is supposed to provide for them for life...but they obviously don't, since once they hit the nursing home stage, they go on Medicaid.
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