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Bartering sex for stuff or services

The New BlackThe New Black Posts: 16,738Registered Users
Way to make herself look sleazy... She's not concerned a potential employer might Google her and see she has supremely bad judgement and either pass over her or make a pass at her...?

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(LifeWire) -- While she was studying in Brazil during college, the one thing Stephanie Gerson longed to do before leaving was spend time in the thick of the Amazon rain forest. Unfortunately, she couldn't find a tour that would take her past the forest's edge.

So, when a college-aged busboy at a resort she was visiting began flirting with her, she asked him if he thought a tourist could survive alone in the jungle.

"He laughed and told me I was nuts," says Gerson, 27, who works part-time in online marketing for a chocolate company in San Francisco.

Then he told her that he'd grown up in the jungle in a nearby indigenous community. That was all Gerson needed to hear. Although she wasn't attracted to the guy, Gerson flirted right back in the hopes that he would be her jungle tour guide. It worked. The busboy wormed his way out of work, and the two headed into the rain forest.

"It was amazing," Gerson says of her adventure in 2000. "We built our homes out of palm leaves, I saw animals I'd never seen before, he taught me the medicinal properties of all the plants, we picked fruit off the trees, we swam with and ate piranhas. And, of course, we had sex ... for almost two weeks."

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Gerson never felt sleazy or uncomfortable with her unspoken arrangement with the busboy.

"It was a good barter both ways," she says. "I got to stay in the jungle, and he got to have sex with a cute, young American girl."

Such trades aren't so unusual. Throughout history, humans have used their bodies to get what they want -- from ancient Egyptian
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  • RichardHeadRichardHead Banned Posts: 629Banned Users
    What's the problem? Some people like having sex.
  • wild~hairwild~hair Posts: 9,890Registered Users
    Dunno. Most people don't characterize casual sex as a barter arrangement. That's kinda odd and makes me wonder why she feels she needs to excuse it in this way.
  • KitaraKitara Posts: 1,224Registered Users
    I'm wondering why/how it's news?!? Do people just call up CNN and say, "Hey guess what, I slept with this guy so he would take me into the rain forest."

    I just don't get why anyone would even care?
  • The New BlackThe New Black Posts: 16,738Registered Users
    wild~hair wrote: »
    Dunno. Most people don't characterize casual sex as a barter arrangement. That's kinda odd and makes me wonder why she feels she needs to excuse it in this way.

    Because it wasn't just casual sex. Casual sex is about the sex. But this was about getting into the rain forest (hmmm...sounds like a good metaphor). A form of prostitution.
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  • KaiaKaia Posts: 8,815Registered Users
    Phoenix wrote: »
    wild~hair wrote: »
    Dunno. Most people don't characterize casual sex as a barter arrangement. That's kinda odd and makes me wonder why she feels she needs to excuse it in this way.

    Because it wasn't just casual sex. Casual sex is about the sex. But this was about getting into the rain forest (hmmm...sounds like a good metaphor). A form of prostitution.

    I still don't see anything wrong with it or why it's newsworthy. Then again, I don't see why prostitution is illegal either. ;)
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  • AmnerisAmneris Posts: 15,117Registered Users
    I hope her parents, other family, and anyone else she dates in the future (or any future kids of hers!) don't mind her having her name out there talking about having casual sex. I don't know why that wouldn't be something she'd keep to herself. And I would also be concerned about a future employer googling my name if I were her. I agree that people do this all the time and it's not really news. I also don't see why she thinks the sex was a trade-off for the rainforest trip. It sounds to me like she flirted, he was interested, so they went on an outing together and in the course of that, they were attracted to each other and had sex.
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  • nadinanadina Posts: 640Registered Users
    to me, a really strong connection is not clear enough in the article. most of these people sound like they wanted to do it, and got other stuff in the bargain. or they met people they wanted to hook up with in the course of work. awesome :)

    but the girl in the article is saying she didn't want to? that's weird. and sad.
  • yagottaloveyacurlsyagottaloveyacurls Posts: 5,766Registered Users
    Kitara wrote: »
    I'm wondering why/how it's news?!? Do people just call up CNN and say, "Hey guess what, I slept with this guy so he would take me into the rain forest."

    I just don't get why anyone would even care?

    ha! That was my thought, too...
  • AmandacurlsAmandacurls Posts: 6,252Registered Users
    Bailey422 wrote: »
    Phoenix wrote: »
    wild~hair wrote: »
    Dunno. Most people don't characterize casual sex as a barter arrangement. That's kinda odd and makes me wonder why she feels she needs to excuse it in this way.

    Because it wasn't just casual sex. Casual sex is about the sex. But this was about getting into the rain forest (hmmm...sounds like a good metaphor). A form of prostitution.

    I still don't see anything wrong with it or why it's newsworthy. Then again, I don't see why prostitution is illegal either. ;)

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  • JosephineJosephine Posts: 14,175Registered Users
    What's the problem? Some people like having sex.

    Yea, why is this news?
  • JosephineJosephine Posts: 14,175Registered Users
    Phoenix wrote: »
    wild~hair wrote: »
    Dunno. Most people don't characterize casual sex as a barter arrangement. That's kinda odd and makes me wonder why she feels she needs to excuse it in this way.

    Because it wasn't just casual sex. Casual sex is about the sex. But this was about getting into the rain forest (hmmm...sounds like a good metaphor). A form of prostitution.

    I don't think this concept is uncommon.
  • cymprenicympreni Posts: 9,609Registered Users
    People have sex for all sorts of reasons. I don't see what the big deal is.
  • The New BlackThe New Black Posts: 16,738Registered Users
    Which concept? The casual sex? No. The bartering for sex? No, I think the article says it's always been around too. And I'm not sure why it's news now. But maybe people just don't realize how common it is.
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  • NetGNetG Posts: 8,116Registered Users
    cympreni wrote: »
    People have sex for all sorts of reasons. I don't see what the big deal is.

    To me the big deal is that with the girl quoted in the article, she seems to believe casual, meaningless sex is not ok, so she's willing to describe her situation to make herself to sound like a prostitute, because that makes her feel better.

    The situation itself, no biggie to me. But the psychology behind why she puts it that way, when I think Amneris probably got it right for how the guy felt about it:
    I also don't see why she thinks the sex was a trade-off for the rainforest trip. It sounds to me like she flirted, he was interested, so they went on an outing together and in the course of that, they were attracted to each other and had sex.
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  • JosephineJosephine Posts: 14,175Registered Users
    Phoenix wrote: »
    Which concept? The casual sex? No. The bartering for sex? No, I think the article says it's always been around too. And I'm not sure why it's news now. But maybe people just don't realize how common it is.

    I've heard of women marrying a guy because he has lots of money. I've heard of women sticking around an extra week or so with a guy for a pair of shoes(yea my ex's coworker told him this). I've heard of a woman staying with a guy overnight instead of going home because he was going to pay for her car bill the next day. I wouldn't do it but lots of people do. In general there's always an exchange of goods in any relationship.
  • The New BlackThe New Black Posts: 16,738Registered Users
    To me the big deal is that with the girl quoted in the article, she seems to believe casual, meaningless sex is not ok, so she's willing to describe her situation to make herself to sound like a prostitute, because that makes her feel better.

    No snark here, but where did the above come from?
    Then he told her that he'd grown up in the jungle in a nearby indigenous community. That was all Gerson needed to hear. Although she wasn't attracted to the guy, Gerson flirted right back in the hopes that he would be her jungle tour guide. It worked. The busboy wormed his way out of work, and the two headed into the rain forest.

    "It was amazing," Gerson says of her adventure in 2000. "We built our homes out of palm leaves, I saw animals I'd never seen before, he taught me the medicinal properties of all the plants, we picked fruit off the trees, we swam with and ate piranhas. And, of course, we had sex ... for almost two weeks."


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    Gerson never felt sleazy or uncomfortable with her unspoken arrangement with the busboy.

    "It was a good barter both ways," she says. "I got to stay in the jungle, and he got to have sex with a cute, young American girl."
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  • redcelticcurlsredcelticcurls Posts: 17,502Registered Users
    How is that different from women who only date men of a certain income? It's still bartering sex for goods and services.

    It happens often, and I don't have a big problem with it, although I don't think it's wise for her to have it all over Google.
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  • The New BlackThe New Black Posts: 16,738Registered Users
    Because the women may genuinely like the guy...they just limit their pool of acceptable men to those who make above a certain limit. I can understand not wanting to date a poor guy, possibly marry him and end up having to struggle through life. That's tough, even when you love someone.

    The woman in the article didn't even like the guy. All she wanted was the rainforest.
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  • rainshowerrainshower Posts: 4,420Registered Users
    a lot of women do this. they just won't describe it as such because they'll have to admit to the reality that they are no different than prostitutes.

    there are women right now as i type this who are having casual sex with men they barely know and hardly like in exchange for:

    fancy dining and a show

    a costly wardrobe or a spending spree

    car note or rent being paid

    being introduced to the so-called high life and wealthy people/celebrities on their yahts, private clubs, mansions, etc.

    getting employment or advancement

    if you are a woman who puts out to compensate a man for giving you something, you are prostituting yourself. point blank.

    the woman in the article used the term barter. yeah, that was a slippery way to make it seem like something better than prostitution. but that's all it was.

    oh, and ew.
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  • JosephineJosephine Posts: 14,175Registered Users
    Phoenix wrote: »
    The woman in the article didn't even like the guy. All she wanted was the rainforest.

    I think a lot of arranged marriages are like this and those are pretty common still. I don't think the whole concept is ew. It's quite natural in my opinion. Okay maybe it's ew to me personally, kinda like how cooking is ew to me. But to each his/her own.
  • The New BlackThe New Black Posts: 16,738Registered Users
    This really can't be compared to marriage.
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  • AmandacurlsAmandacurls Posts: 6,252Registered Users
    Well, I mean it is her body, she didn't do anything illegal. I'll admit it's degrading when women resort to sex for things, but they were consenting adults. It's none of my business and it really doesn't bother me.
  • wild~hairwild~hair Posts: 9,890Registered Users
    Phoenix wrote: »
    wild~hair wrote: »
    Dunno. Most people don't characterize casual sex as a barter arrangement. That's kinda odd and makes me wonder why she feels she needs to excuse it in this way.

    Because it wasn't just casual sex. Casual sex is about the sex. But this was about getting into the rain forest (hmmm...sounds like a good metaphor). A form of prostitution.

    :laughing6:

    But yeah, I see what you're saying.

    Putting on devil's advocate/cynic hat: Isn't all sex a form of prostitution, when it comes right down to it? :evil:
  • JosephineJosephine Posts: 14,175Registered Users
    Phoenix wrote: »
    This really can't be compared to marriage.

    It's a difference of opinion. Many women marry for food and shelter and more, this arrangement is not exactly the same(the exchange of goods) but same concept.
  • JosephineJosephine Posts: 14,175Registered Users
    wild~hair wrote: »
    Phoenix wrote: »
    wild~hair wrote: »
    Dunno. Most people don't characterize casual sex as a barter arrangement. That's kinda odd and makes me wonder why she feels she needs to excuse it in this way.

    Because it wasn't just casual sex. Casual sex is about the sex. But this was about getting into the rain forest (hmmm...sounds like a good metaphor). A form of prostitution.

    :laughing6:

    But yeah, I see what you're saying.

    Putting on devil's advocate/cynic hat: Isn't all sex a form of prostitution, when it comes right down to it? :evil:

    No, sex for enjoyment is not.
  • iris427iris427 Posts: 6,002Registered Users
    Josephine wrote: »
    Phoenix wrote: »
    The woman in the article didn't even like the guy. All she wanted was the rainforest.

    I think a lot of arranged marriages are like this and those are pretty common still. I don't think the whole concept is ew. It's quite natural in my opinion. Okay maybe it's ew to me personally, kinda like how cooking is ew to me. But to each his/her own.

    LOL

    I don't care if she wants to screw some guy in the rainforest (sounds kinda hot), but I think she's dumb to have her name connected to this on CNN. It will be interesting when potential employers Google her...
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  • 2happy2happy Posts: 5,138Registered Users
    No doubt. I can see me telling my friends about the hot jungle lovin', but then would die of embarrassment when the members of my church all read it online.
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  • JosephineJosephine Posts: 14,175Registered Users
    iris427 wrote: »

    I don't care if she wants to screw some guy in the rainforest (sounds kinda hot), but I think she's dumb to have her name connected to this on CNN. It will be interesting when potential employers Google her...

    LOL, doesn't it!
  • badgercurlsbadgercurls Posts: 3,077Registered Users
    It's very possible that her name has been changed. I think journalists often do that at the source's request when it's something like this.

    It's not an arrangement I would participate in, and I think it's a little weird to make it so clear it was a "barter" situation rather than just casual sex, but to each her own.
  • wild~hairwild~hair Posts: 9,890Registered Users
    Josephine wrote: »
    No, sex for enjoyment is not.

    [Uh, that was a joke.]
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