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I cant shift build up on my scalp.. advice needed please

BecciBecci Posts: 401Registered Users
I seem to have build up on my scalp. Its really itchy but when I scratch I get white yucky stuff under my nails! :pukel: (I dont and never have suffered dandruff so it isnt that)

Ive done the sugar scrub twice and loads of ACV rinses but it just doesnt seem to be shifting it. straight after the sugar scrubs and ACV rinse, I can itch my head and se a tiny amount of the gunky stuff but the day after I'm itchy city again with loads of gunky stuff...:thumbdown:

I cant use soda or powder and I have yet to try lemon but Im unsure as to how to use it and if they need to be fresh lemons or plastic lemons with just the juice inside.:sad1:

Please help quickly as I cant stand having an itch scalp and feel like running for the 'poo:shock:
From U.K & started CG 13th July 08 :thumbleft:

Using VO5 Moisture Milks Passion Fruit Smoothie for co-washing and conditioning.

Using Boots curl creme

Considering going Mod-CG and using H&S once a week to prevent build up, flakes and other nastys.:confused3:
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  • pelicanopelicano Posts: 580Registered Users
    How are you washing your hair? You need to scrub it well, exactly as you would if you were using shampoo. My scalp is terrible, and I can't use conditioner on it at all, but even when I do water only washes, I scrub my scalp as if I was washing with shampoo, and the build up comes off.
    Sarah.

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  • whatsercurlwhatsercurl Posts: 4,049Registered Users
    Dumb question but there's no 'cones in any of the products your listed, right? If not, it could be some sort of sensitivity one of the ingredients. It almost sounds like a mild allergic reaction.

    I also scrub vigorously to get rid of any scaly build up. There is always some there when I "wash" my hair which is every 7-10 days but I'm never itchy.
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  • BecciBecci Posts: 401Registered Users
    I scrub like mad when I co-wash wash my hair normally once or twice a week and the rest of the time I water wash and scrub like mad then detangle with conditioner.

    I have super sensitive skin so as for an allergic reaction it is possible but I even used to get it even with shampoo. The only shampoo that doesnt give my the yucky stuff is head and shoulders 2 in 1! The worst shampoo for giving me it is Dove 2 in 1.

    There are absolutly no cones, conols or xane's in anything Im using either.
    From U.K & started CG 13th July 08 :thumbleft:

    Using VO5 Moisture Milks Passion Fruit Smoothie for co-washing and conditioning.

    Using Boots curl creme

    Considering going Mod-CG and using H&S once a week to prevent build up, flakes and other nastys.:confused3:
  • whatsercurlwhatsercurl Posts: 4,049Registered Users
    Hmm I wonder what ingredient is in the H&S that relieves you of it?

    I'm not much help. :sad1: My scalp is good most of the time now that I don't use a bajillion products. Since you had it pre-CG, it may be some skin condition that one of the dandruff fighting ingredients in the H&S alleviates.
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  • BecciBecci Posts: 401Registered Users
    I think Im just strange..:laughing7:

    I really think Im just crap at this whole CG thing. It has seriously improved the condition of my hair and Ive had 2nd day hair trice this week and Ive also had mostly good hair days this week also. Then today Its all frizzy and messy and the curls arent as curly and its just horrible again.

    I think I might head back to the head and sholders and straightning irons, its easier that way and I dont have to wash and mess around with it every day either.:sad5:
    From U.K & started CG 13th July 08 :thumbleft:

    Using VO5 Moisture Milks Passion Fruit Smoothie for co-washing and conditioning.

    Using Boots curl creme

    Considering going Mod-CG and using H&S once a week to prevent build up, flakes and other nastys.:confused3:
  • FeralcurlsFeralcurls Posts: 408Registered Users
    It sounds like psoriasis Becci. You can get natural products that will help with that.
  • BotticelliBabeBotticelliBabe Posts: 1,574Registered Users
    H&S is now making conditioners as well - I wonder if they have cones in them? That might be something to look in to.

    Also, try some tea tree EO mixed in to your conditioner (just a few drops until you figure out how much you need). You might be shocked how well that works.

    And Becci, if you go back to the flat irons, I'll cross the pond myself and beat your curly little butt! :laughing7: Do you know how many women would KILL for the progress you've made in the last three weeks? Keep at it - you can get rid of the itchies. I remember about three weeks into CG I had a bad case of them, too - just like what you're describing. Try doing a wavy wash once a week to help alleviate the symptoms, and you should make it through the transition just fine. It's just your scalp freaking out and wanting to know where it's usual "fix" is. Now you have to opportunity to find a new fix, and get your scalp used to it before your wedding!
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  • BecciBecci Posts: 401Registered Users
    Also, try some tea tree EO mixed in to your conditioner (just a few drops until you figure out how much you need). You might be shocked how well that works.

    And Becci, if you go back to the flat irons, I'll cross the pond myself and beat your curly little butt! :laughing7: Do you know how many women would KILL for the progress you've made in the last three weeks? Keep at it - you can get rid of the itchies. I remember about three weeks into CG I had a bad case of them, too - just like what you're describing. Try doing a wavy wash once a week to help alleviate the symptoms, and you should make it through the transition just fine. It's just your scalp freaking out and wanting to know where it's usual "fix" is. Now you have to opportunity to find a new fix, and get your scalp used to it before your wedding!

    'Looks around sheepishly then puts the irons down and the 'poo back in the cupboard'

    OK I will give it until Ive tried the tea tree, however I dont have EO so would the original source with mint and tea tree do the job?

    Ive pinned my hair up for now because Im scratching so much my head has turned into a bunch of frizz. Im worried about going out incase people think I have lice or something like that.:sad1:

    It isnt psoriasis hun. My scalp looks fine its just itchy and stuff coming off when I itch.
    From U.K & started CG 13th July 08 :thumbleft:

    Using VO5 Moisture Milks Passion Fruit Smoothie for co-washing and conditioning.

    Using Boots curl creme

    Considering going Mod-CG and using H&S once a week to prevent build up, flakes and other nastys.:confused3:
  • whatsercurlwhatsercurl Posts: 4,049Registered Users
    H&S is now making conditioners as well - I wonder if they have cones in them? That might be something to look in to.

    Also, try some tea tree EO mixed in to your conditioner (just a few drops until you figure out how much you need). You might be shocked how well that works.

    And Becci, if you go back to the flat irons, I'll cross the pond myself and beat your curly little butt! :laughing7: Do you know how many women would KILL for the progress you've made in the last three weeks? Keep at it - you can get rid of the itchies. I remember about three weeks into CG I had a bad case of them, too - just like what you're describing. Try doing a wavy wash once a week to help alleviate the symptoms, and you should make it through the transition just fine. It's just your scalp freaking out and wanting to know where it's usual "fix" is. Now you have to opportunity to find a new fix, and get your scalp used to it before your wedding!

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  • BecciBecci Posts: 401Registered Users
    I know but Im SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO itchy :scratch: :banghead:

    Im can I 'poo? Pleaseeeeeeeee Im going crazy here... I really cant begin to explain how itchy I feel.

    I dont know if you have nettles in the US but thats kind how I feel (like I fell into a nettle bush) but just on my scalp. Then on my crown it kinda feels like its burning. (think that might be me scratching though) and my scalp is starting to bleed where Im scratching so much, but I cant help it.
    From U.K & started CG 13th July 08 :thumbleft:

    Using VO5 Moisture Milks Passion Fruit Smoothie for co-washing and conditioning.

    Using Boots curl creme

    Considering going Mod-CG and using H&S once a week to prevent build up, flakes and other nastys.:confused3:
  • preciousjewel76preciousjewel76 Posts: 679Registered Users
    Becci wrote: »
    I know but Im SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO itchy :scratch: :banghead:

    Im can I 'poo? Pleaseeeeeeeee Im going crazy here... I really cant begin to explain how itchy I feel.

    I dont know if you have nettles in the US but thats kind how I feel (like I fell into a nettle bush) but just on my scalp. Then on my crown it kinda feels like its burning. (think that might be me scratching though) and my scalp is starting to bleed where Im scratching so much, but I cant help it.

    Like someone said earlier, I wonder if you're having an allergic reaction to something in one of your products? Even "natural" and "organic" products can be loaded with ingredients that folks can be sensitive to - like essential oils. Since you had this problem when you were using 'poo, is there any way you can check the ingredients of the H&S 'poo and the stuff you co-wash with now? Maybe there's a common ingredient to blame. Would you be able to have a dermatologist or pharmacist suggest anything?
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  • myCeliamyCelia Posts: 195Registered Users
    Have you tried Borax? It's practically instant relief whenever I have an itchy scalp. Here's my post about it on another thread. Also, you might consider using a scalp brush too. Hope this helps.
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  • BecciBecci Posts: 401Registered Users
    Well the only common ingredient I can find in all of the conditioners I co-wash with and in the DOVE 2 in 1 is Citric acid. I went hunting for my head and sholders but I must of gave it away.

    I havent tried Borax and to be honest Im a little confused.

    I might clarify again with baby shampoo. Can someone let me know if this is ok to clarify with as this is what I used before:

    From Asda - Little Angels Conditioning shampoo. Ingredients: Aqua, cocamidopropyl betaine, sodium laureth sulphate, sodium chloride, olive oil PEG-7 Esters, Phhenoxyethanol, glycerin, PEG-80 Sorbitan laurate, parfum, methylparaben, hydroxypropyltrimonium honey, butylparaben, ethylparaben, citric acid, tetrasodium EDTA, propylparaben, isobutylparaben, sodium hydroxide, hexylene glycol, CI 15985, CI19140.
    From U.K & started CG 13th July 08 :thumbleft:

    Using VO5 Moisture Milks Passion Fruit Smoothie for co-washing and conditioning.

    Using Boots curl creme

    Considering going Mod-CG and using H&S once a week to prevent build up, flakes and other nastys.:confused3:
  • BecciBecci Posts: 401Registered Users
    Ive just found a list of ingredients for 'head and shoulders classic clean 2 in 1' and even that has citric acid in. So Im stumped.
    From U.K & started CG 13th July 08 :thumbleft:

    Using VO5 Moisture Milks Passion Fruit Smoothie for co-washing and conditioning.

    Using Boots curl creme

    Considering going Mod-CG and using H&S once a week to prevent build up, flakes and other nastys.:confused3:
  • gryantmarch2stepgryantmarch2step Posts: 454Registered Users
    I hear ya with the buildup and itchy scalp. I've been CG now for like 3 years, I think. And still...my scalp is itchy and I get lots of "white gunky buildup". I think it's party due to the hard water at my house. When I shower at my fiance's house my scalp feels fine but at my house it's terrible.

    Sometimes I think it's because I condition wash but it could also be that I don't do regular ACV rinses...actually, hardly ever! I just don't remember to do them.

    Sometimes I use Long Lovely Locks Green Tea Hair Cleanse and that makes my scalp feel nice! I never really know what the ACV rinse does. All it does is make my hair extra knotty in the shower.
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  • Riot CrrlRiot Crrl Posts: 3,135Registered Users
    I had that too. I shampooed; it didn't help at all. Turns out I have to brush my hair once in a while. I'm just really careful.
  • eveningevening Posts: 12Registered Users
    This used to happen to me a lot, and I had to use a dandruff shampoo to try and help. Now that I think about it, it was when I CO washed a lot. Now I'm modified CG using a low-poo shampoo and I don't have the scalp build-up problem.

    So maybe tried modified CG for a while?

    Oh, and I never found ACV to do a thing for me.
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  • BecciBecci Posts: 401Registered Users
    Ok before I jump straight back to the shampoo Ive done another sugar scrub. I also like to add that it was the most painful thing second to childbirth! (I have really done a number on my scalp through itching!) It was also rather worrying seeing blood coming out of my hair on the rinse.

    I sectioned my hair off into inch squares and went through it inch by inch. Then I gave it a good brush with an anti-snag paddle brush.

    All I did afterwards was condition the length for 1 min then rinsed, brushed again then put in a little conditioner as leave in then brushed again and plopped.

    I dare not put anything else in my hair until the stinging and burning leave my scalp. So I see alot of hair in a bun day until it heals.

    I just hope the sugar scrub will have worked this time and that I dont wake up in morning with itchy gunky scalp again!
    From U.K & started CG 13th July 08 :thumbleft:

    Using VO5 Moisture Milks Passion Fruit Smoothie for co-washing and conditioning.

    Using Boots curl creme

    Considering going Mod-CG and using H&S once a week to prevent build up, flakes and other nastys.:confused3:
  • kat180kat180 Posts: 6,280Registered Users
    ouch sounds painful! I know we need to find a solution but I think for next few days leave your scalp alone, I say this because from the sounds of it your scalp is bleeding from the scratching. I have had this type of build up, gunk under my nails when I scratched and itchy, but I used to get this when I shampooed, I cant say I haven't really suffered from this lately though, and it went away after a cleansing/sugar scrub treatment. It sounds like your skin has had a reaction from something you are using, and is also possibly build up from a product. Im sorry I cant help more, Im rubbish at ingredients, but I can tell you that I don't get on with tea tree products, the original source mint and tea tree makes my head itch and skin react. I wouldn't shampoo simply because the stuff in that I can see making your scalp sting even more, not to mention dry your skin out.
  • pelicanopelicano Posts: 580Registered Users
    I actually have to wash mine every day because of it - it's a real pain. :(
    Sarah.

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    Hair hates: Plopping, any kind of gel, most conditioners (scalp issues).
  • BecciBecci Posts: 401Registered Users
    Yeah Kat that is why I havnt put anything in my hair after the scrub other than a little conditioner through the ends as a leave in. I dont plan on doing anything with my hair until my scalp settles down other than maybe wetting it. I certainly will not be using products, etc.

    Pelicano - Do you water wash everyday or co-wash everyday?
    From U.K & started CG 13th July 08 :thumbleft:

    Using VO5 Moisture Milks Passion Fruit Smoothie for co-washing and conditioning.

    Using Boots curl creme

    Considering going Mod-CG and using H&S once a week to prevent build up, flakes and other nastys.:confused3:
  • FeralcurlsFeralcurls Posts: 408Registered Users
    The main symptom of psoriasis is an itchy scalp with build up.
  • BecciBecci Posts: 401Registered Users
    I do want your advice Feralcurls, however I know what Psoriasis looks like (at first I didnt recognise the word until I looked up google then I put 2 and 2 together and came up with 4)

    A lady I know is in a wheelchair an suffers it all over her body, including her scalp. Then an ex of mine suffered with patches of it on his back and belly. So Im quite convinced it isnt that.

    I do apreciate your trying to help though hun.
    From U.K & started CG 13th July 08 :thumbleft:

    Using VO5 Moisture Milks Passion Fruit Smoothie for co-washing and conditioning.

    Using Boots curl creme

    Considering going Mod-CG and using H&S once a week to prevent build up, flakes and other nastys.:confused3:
  • pelicanopelicano Posts: 580Registered Users
    I water wash every day, with some shampoos (approx every 5 days). I've gone without shampoo for months before, with no real affect on my scalp. The thing that seems important for me is a wash of some kind daily, to get rid of build up, which relieves the itch.
    Sarah.

    Based in the UK. 2-something (2b?) hair. Very porous, fine and brittle/fragile

    Hair loves: Drip drying, glycerine, shea butter, oils
    Hair hates: Plopping, any kind of gel, most conditioners (scalp issues).
  • kat180kat180 Posts: 6,280Registered Users
    Becci, this isnt cg, and it is quite a strong shampoo but the one of the best I've found to help with this type of problem before I went cg, have you ever tried T-gel shampoo? /home/leaving?target=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.tgel.com%2FUK%2F" class="Popup
    An occasional use hopefully won't upset your curls too much, though it does have a stripped feeling and can be drying, but this might be worth it to get rid of build-up. If you use a thick conditioner as a leave in it may not be so bad on your curls.
    A much softer shampoo that doesn't affect my curls as much is lush soak and float shampoo bar, lasts ages and has a less harsh sulphate in it. I dont know whether a poo is the right way to go or whether it is even needed, but if you did decide to try this I would go for the lush one first. Some people find that just purely co-washing leads to this kind of problem and every few weeks they need to shampoo just to get rid of build-up.
  • Koukla72Koukla72 Posts: 1,680Registered Users
    Edited due to a cyberstalker. Sorry, guys. :(
  • BecciBecci Posts: 401Registered Users
    Koukla, I have absolutly no idea hun. I dont think it has a filter on my shower. Also Ive had this problem as long as I can remember, its just that having to stop using Head and shoulders 'Poo has made it come back.

    Thank you for your imput though, anything is worth a shot and I think I may go rip my shower head off now to see if it has a filter anyway.
    From U.K & started CG 13th July 08 :thumbleft:

    Using VO5 Moisture Milks Passion Fruit Smoothie for co-washing and conditioning.

    Using Boots curl creme

    Considering going Mod-CG and using H&S once a week to prevent build up, flakes and other nastys.:confused3:
  • BecciBecci Posts: 401Registered Users
    Ive just found this: /home/leaving?target=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.yourhealthfoodstore.co.uk%2Fdetails.php%2Fp4672_allergenics_hair_gentle_medicated_shampoo.html" class="Popup

    Do you think this is ok for modified CG? I cant tolerate the itchys and if tea tree dont work then I give in and Im finding a 'poo.
    From U.K & started CG 13th July 08 :thumbleft:

    Using VO5 Moisture Milks Passion Fruit Smoothie for co-washing and conditioning.

    Using Boots curl creme

    Considering going Mod-CG and using H&S once a week to prevent build up, flakes and other nastys.:confused3:
  • mumofcurlygirlmumofcurlygirl Posts: 472Registered Users
    Hi Hun,
    So sorry to hear you're still having problems with your scalp :sad8:
    The shampoo you found looks fine for modified CG, it may just be build up irritating you scalp so using a sulphate free shampoo will help..... if thats the cause,

    If you want me to send you some [buylink=http://www.curlmart.com/Jessicurl-Hair-Cleansing-Cream-p-103.html?utm_source=naturallycurly.com&utm_medium=text-link&utm_content=curltalk-post-text&utm_campaign=jessicurl-hair-cleansing-cream]Jessicurl HCC[/buylink] I have a little bit in a bottle and a full bottle so I could send you enough for a few washes??, this is really gentle and CG friendly (I think) :toothy7:
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  • Koukla72Koukla72 Posts: 1,680Registered Users
    Edited due to a cyberstalker. Sorry, guys. :(
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