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Yet another conditioner question...

What's the most natural conditioner you can think of that isn't loaded with jojoba or other "heavier" oils? Oil seems to make my hair freak out, yet I'm kind of wanting to stay as natural as possible with my products (or at least try). Any ideas?

If not natural, any other suggestions? Robert Craig was awful for some reason and has left me with frizz for 3 days since using it once! (Maybe the polyquat-7?) Can't find Activate locally, but PM's a couple people on the swap board. I have TIGI MM and Biolage.

I'm thinking my hair might need protein and wanted to try AO GBP, but I swear jojoba is in everything!!!

Poor me. Thanks for the pity party. :occasion9: :wink:
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Updated 7/13/08


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  • kerlydookerlydoo Posts: 253Registered Users
    I found this site: /home/leaving?target=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.purenuffstuff.co.uk%2Fcategory%2F4.php" class="Popup

    They can make their stuff without fragrance too. I haven't ordered anything from them, yet, but, they sound like they are pretty flexible.
    3a/3b, m/iii, color treated, parched
  • swirlygirlswirlygirl Posts: 606Registered Users
    kerlydoo wrote: »
    I found this site: /home/leaving?target=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.purenuffstuff.co.uk%2Fcategory%2F4.php" class="Popup

    They can make their stuff without fragrance too. I haven't ordered anything from them, yet, but, they sound like they are pretty flexible.

    It looks great, but I wonder how much shipping to the US would be. Maybe we can find something similar in the US or...maybe I will actually have to start making my own. Oh goodness that could be the start of something. :blob7:
    2B ~ Lovin' it short again!
    Aloe 80 Shampoo & Conditioner, Shea Butter & Aveda Control Paste
    Fotki PW: swirlygirl
    Updated 7/13/08


  • Riot CrrlRiot Crrl Posts: 3,135Registered Users
    Do you have Whole Foods where you live? 365 Everyday Value!

    It's not always heavy enough to use as my only conditioner, but during the summer it often is. And if your hair is freaking out from oils maybe it likes a lighter conditioner anyway. It gives more moisture than Suave Naturals but it is still very light and very clean rinsing.

    It does have castor oil but that's PEG modified.
  • swirlygirlswirlygirl Posts: 606Registered Users
    Riot Crrl wrote: »
    Do you have Whole Foods where you live? 365 Everyday Value!

    It's not always heavy enough to use as my only conditioner, but during the summer it often is. And if your hair is freaking out from oils maybe it likes a lighter conditioner anyway. It gives more moisture than Suave Naturals but it is still very light and very clean rinsing.

    It does have castor oil but that's PEG modified.

    I picked up a sample the other day (actually 2). I will have to try it again. My hair was a little poofy and undefined when I used it. I was curious about the stear...(sp?0 chloride since I've read about that causing poof for some people. If I can get my hair calmed down again I will try it in a scientific way so I can judge the results more clearly. They sure have lots of scent options!

    Thanks for the suggestion! I think my hair is nutso and a little too sensitive! :tongue3:
    2B ~ Lovin' it short again!
    Aloe 80 Shampoo & Conditioner, Shea Butter & Aveda Control Paste
    Fotki PW: swirlygirl
    Updated 7/13/08


  • kerlydookerlydoo Posts: 253Registered Users
    I just found this website. I think you should check it out if you are still looking for more natural hair care.

    /home/leaving?target=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.terressentials.com%2F" class="Popup
    3a/3b, m/iii, color treated, parched
  • jillipoojillipoo Posts: 3,795Registered Users
    Maybe Oyin's [buylink=http://www.curlmart.com/Oyin-Honey-Hemp-Conditioner-p-860.html?utm_source=naturallycurly.com&utm_medium=text-link&utm_content=curltalk-post-text&utm_campaign=oyin-honey-hemp-conditioner]Honey Hemp conditioner[/buylink]? I see that there's hemp oil in it but honestly, when I used it, I had no idea whatsoever that it had any oil in it -- it's quite light. Pretty humectanty-y, thanks to the honey.

    Oh! And also, if Trader Joe's is near you, give Essential a try. Also light but I'm very surprised at how conditioning it is.
    3a and strictly CG since August 2007. Porous and on the fine side. No to magnesium sulfate and glycerin. Yes to protein! Favorites:
    CO-WASHES: Suave Coconut
    CONDITIONERS and LEAVE-INS: Mop Top Daily Conditioner, KBB Nectar, Aubrey GPB or Island Naturals, Robert Craig, Any Jessicurl
    CURL ENHANCERS/CREMES/MOUSSES: KCCC, JoiWhip
    GELS: Fuzzy Duck, B5 Design, MGA Scultping, BRHG


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  • swirlygirlswirlygirl Posts: 606Registered Users
    kerlydoo wrote: »
    I just found this website. I think you should check it out if you are still looking for more natural hair care.

    /home/leaving?target=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.terressentials.com%2F" class="Popup

    That looks so cool!! I'm reading about their hair detox, LOL. Hmmm...if I could stick to one product for 3-4 weeks to "let it work" it might be worth it.

    Are you going to try it, kerlydoo? I didn't notice conditioners...I'm still reading to see what they recommend after the mud wash, if anything. Looks like a drop of oil or something.

    Very cool. Thanks for sharing with me!
    2B ~ Lovin' it short again!
    Aloe 80 Shampoo & Conditioner, Shea Butter & Aveda Control Paste
    Fotki PW: swirlygirl
    Updated 7/13/08


  • swirlygirlswirlygirl Posts: 606Registered Users
    jillipoo wrote: »
    Maybe Oyin's [buylink=http://www.curlmart.com/Oyin-Honey-Hemp-Conditioner-p-860.html?utm_source=naturallycurly.com&utm_medium=text-link&utm_content=curltalk-post-text&utm_campaign=oyin-honey-hemp-conditioner]Honey Hemp conditioner[/buylink]? I see that there's hemp oil in it but honestly, when I used it, I had no idea whatsoever that it had any oil in it -- it's quite light. Pretty humectanty-y, thanks to the honey.

    Oh! And also, if Trader Joe's is near you, give Essential a try. Also light but I'm very surprised at how conditioning it is.

    My hair must be super oil sensitive. I tried Oyin HH and it left my hair so greasy, stringy & limp. I was disappointed and amazed. :(

    I live in Whole Foods land. No Trader Joe's. It sure sounds like a great store, though!

    I do have an Activate on it's way to me. Maybe that will work with my hair, though I really feel called to do the extreme natural thing if I can figure it out. :glasses9:
    2B ~ Lovin' it short again!
    Aloe 80 Shampoo & Conditioner, Shea Butter & Aveda Control Paste
    Fotki PW: swirlygirl
    Updated 7/13/08


  • jillipoojillipoo Posts: 3,795Registered Users
    IWantCurls wrote: »
    jillipoo wrote: »
    Maybe Oyin's [buylink=http://www.curlmart.com/Oyin-Honey-Hemp-Conditioner-p-860.html?utm_source=naturallycurly.com&utm_medium=text-link&utm_content=curltalk-post-text&utm_campaign=oyin-honey-hemp-conditioner]Honey Hemp conditioner[/buylink]? I see that there's hemp oil in it but honestly, when I used it, I had no idea whatsoever that it had any oil in it -- it's quite light. Pretty humectanty-y, thanks to the honey.

    Oh! And also, if Trader Joe's is near you, give Essential a try. Also light but I'm very surprised at how conditioning it is.

    My hair must be super oil sensitive. I tried Oyin HH and it left my hair so greasy, stringy & limp. I was disappointed and amazed. :(

    I live in Whole Foods land. No Trader Joe's. It sure sounds like a great store, though!

    I do have an Activate on it's way to me. Maybe that will work with my hair, though I really feel called to do the extreme natural thing if I can figure it out. :glasses9:

    I'm a big fan of Activate, so hopefully you'll be happy with that one! But I agree about the natural angle -- I am constantly on the hunt for conditioners with as few man-made ingredients as possible. I found this one online the other day but I'm part of the 30-day no-buying pact so I have to wait. <sigh>

    HH left me limp (though not greasy). I assumed it was the humectants. Who the #*&$ knows?
    3a and strictly CG since August 2007. Porous and on the fine side. No to magnesium sulfate and glycerin. Yes to protein! Favorites:
    CO-WASHES: Suave Coconut
    CONDITIONERS and LEAVE-INS: Mop Top Daily Conditioner, KBB Nectar, Aubrey GPB or Island Naturals, Robert Craig, Any Jessicurl
    CURL ENHANCERS/CREMES/MOUSSES: KCCC, JoiWhip
    GELS: Fuzzy Duck, B5 Design, MGA Scultping, BRHG


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  • swirlygirlswirlygirl Posts: 606Registered Users
    jillipoo wrote: »

    HH left me limp (though not greasy). I assumed it was the humectants. Who the #*&$ knows?

    I really don't understand humectants. I was playing with [buylink=http://www.curlmart.com/Kinky-Curly-Knot-Today-p-207.html?utm_source=naturallycurly.com&utm_medium=text-link&utm_content=curltalk-post-text&utm_campaign=kinkycurly-knot-today-leaveindetangler]KCKT[/buylink] & CC again over the last few days. I get lots of curl the first day, then a little less and then less as the days go on, but increasing poof and frizz. ???? I'm stumped. The only thing I did differently on those days was use a little come clean the first day and not the others. I wonder if it was just the extra oil, dirt, residue or whatever was in my hair from not washing that changed the effect of the KC combo.

    One thing I did do was leave in a lot more KT than I was in the past. That made a positive difference in getting curl for me (but probably also contributed to the negative effects, too). Oh, and after the 3 days my hair felt very dry and crisp.

    I guess the humectants were giving my hair's moisture to the air?
    2B ~ Lovin' it short again!
    Aloe 80 Shampoo & Conditioner, Shea Butter & Aveda Control Paste
    Fotki PW: swirlygirl
    Updated 7/13/08


  • msgibletmsgiblet Posts: 5,825Registered Users
    IWantCurls wrote: »
    jillipoo wrote: »

    HH left me limp (though not greasy). I assumed it was the humectants. Who the #*&$ knows?

    I really don't understand humectants. I was playing with [buylink=http://www.curlmart.com/Kinky-Curly-Knot-Today-p-207.html?utm_source=naturallycurly.com&utm_medium=text-link&utm_content=curltalk-post-text&utm_campaign=kinkycurly-knot-today-leaveindetangler]KCKT[/buylink] & CC again over the last few days. I get lots of curl the first day, then a little less and then less as the days go on, but increasing poof and frizz. ???? I'm stumped. The only thing I did differently on those days was use a little come clean the first day and not the others. I wonder if it was just the extra oil, dirt, residue or whatever was in my hair from not washing that changed the effect of the KC combo.

    One thing I did do was leave in a lot more KT than I was in the past. That made a positive difference in getting curl for me (but probably also contributed to the negative effects, too). Oh, and after the 3 days my hair felt very dry and crisp.

    I guess the humectants were giving my hair's moisture to the air?

    I don't know the answer, either, but I do know that I get the best results with this combo ([buylink=http://www.curlmart.com/Kinky-Curly-Knot-Today-p-207.html?utm_source=naturallycurly.com&utm_medium=text-link&utm_content=curltalk-post-text&utm_campaign=kinkycurly-knot-today-leaveindetangler]KCKT[/buylink]/[buylink=http://www.curlmart.com/Kinky-Curly-Curling-Custard-p-778.html?utm_source=naturallycurly.com&utm_medium=text-link&utm_content=curltalk-post-text&utm_campaign=kinkycurly-curling-custard]KCCC[/buylink]) when I use the Come Clean. It's like this stuff wants a totally clean slate to work well. - :dontknow:
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  • kerlydookerlydoo Posts: 253Registered Users
    I don't think I'm going to use it yet. My hair is severely damaged. I'm afraid the detox part will open up the gaping wholes in my hair and it will break off and it will look like I cut my own hair with really dull scissors :eek: Not a good look for me.

    It looks really interesting though! I need to find something to wash with. Lately, when I low poo my hair feels like mushy straw and gets tangled (due to damage). Olefin sulfonate seems to be too drying for me, Giovanni SAS poo and TJ's NS.
    3a/3b, m/iii, color treated, parched
  • LoloDSMLoloDSM Posts: 3,778Registered Users
    Let me know if you'd like a sample of the GPB. I'd be happy to send you some. It's my favorite, and I didn't see jojoba on the ingredients list.
    Loose botticelli curls and waves
    No silicones/no sulfates since March 2008
  • swirlygirlswirlygirl Posts: 606Registered Users
    LoloDSM wrote: »
    Let me know if you'd like a sample of the GPB. I'd be happy to send you some. It's my favorite, and I didn't see jojoba on the ingredients list.

    Thanks for the offer, LoloDSM. I am such a PJ, I actually bought the GPB yesterday. :blush: You are right - I was delighted to see no jojoba oil (it is in the shampoo, though).

    Got my Cheryl's Herb's order of shampoos today. Haven't even opened the box, but I'm excited to try them. :blob7:
    2B ~ Lovin' it short again!
    Aloe 80 Shampoo & Conditioner, Shea Butter & Aveda Control Paste
    Fotki PW: swirlygirl
    Updated 7/13/08


  • LoloDSMLoloDSM Posts: 3,778Registered Users
    Too funny. I'm just as bad. You had offered to send a sample of the [buylink=http://www.curlmart.com/Kinky-Curly-Curling-Custard-p-778.html?utm_source=naturallycurly.com&utm_medium=text-link&utm_content=curltalk-post-text&utm_campaign=kinkycurly-curling-custard]KCCC[/buylink] and I just bought it instead. Hope the conditioner works for you.
    Loose botticelli curls and waves
    No silicones/no sulfates since March 2008
  • swirlygirlswirlygirl Posts: 606Registered Users
    LoloDSM wrote: »
    Too funny. I'm just as bad. You had offered to send a sample of the [buylink=http://www.curlmart.com/Kinky-Curly-Curling-Custard-p-778.html?utm_source=naturallycurly.com&utm_medium=text-link&utm_content=curltalk-post-text&utm_campaign=kinkycurly-curling-custard]KCCC[/buylink] and I just bought it instead. Hope the conditioner works for you.

    :laughing7: Thanks, me too!
    2B ~ Lovin' it short again!
    Aloe 80 Shampoo & Conditioner, Shea Butter & Aveda Control Paste
    Fotki PW: swirlygirl
    Updated 7/13/08


  • marinacurlzmarinacurlz Posts: 1,720Registered Users
    :blob7:ahhhhhh! Jillipoo you just sent my pj into orbit with that lovely conditioner you posted, good price too. But I'm just itchin' to try the two I bought from you.....hehehehe.:laughing6:
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    3B w/3A underneath

    Medium texture
    Average porosity

    Crazy-picky hair; likes some oils and proteins, but not others, can tolerate some glycerin.

    Current products-
    Co-wash: Suave/Vo5/TJ Refresh
    Rinse out & Leave in: Suave Tropical Coconut/Garnier Triple Nutrition
    Gel: Herbal Essences Set Me Up/Aussie Tizz No Frizz
  • jillipoojillipoo Posts: 3,795Registered Users
    :blob7:ahhhhhh! Jillipoo you just sent my pj into orbit with that lovely conditioner you posted, good price too. But I'm just itchin' to try the two I bought from you.....hehehehe.:laughing6:

    They could be there as soon as tomorrow!
    3a and strictly CG since August 2007. Porous and on the fine side. No to magnesium sulfate and glycerin. Yes to protein! Favorites:
    CO-WASHES: Suave Coconut
    CONDITIONERS and LEAVE-INS: Mop Top Daily Conditioner, KBB Nectar, Aubrey GPB or Island Naturals, Robert Craig, Any Jessicurl
    CURL ENHANCERS/CREMES/MOUSSES: KCCC, JoiWhip
    GELS: Fuzzy Duck, B5 Design, MGA Scultping, BRHG


    Fotki password: chuckle
    Blog: /home/leaving?target=http%3A%2F%2Fjillipoo.blogspot.com%2F" class="Popup
    Twitter: nopoojillipoo