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Humectants

MagooMagoo Posts: 2,173Registered Users
Ok, so Jillipoo's post about finding the perfect balance got me to thinking about humectants and how my hair can be funny about them. With the humidity on the rise I find that whenever I use products with glycerin in them, my hair starts to expand as the day goes on and goes poofy on me.
I was also reading on of the curlchemist articles on humectants regarding this.
I think I'm going to try an experiment and try to cut back on products with humectants in them.
So I need some help here in identifying them.
I know glycerin, propylene glycol, sorbitol and honey are some. Are there any others I'm missing?
3b/c fine, thick, porous, protein sensitive
Modified CG, CJ Rehab, JCWDT, KCKT, VO5 Chamomile Tea Therapy, CJDF, HEBE Gel/Mousse, Bioinfusion Rosemary Mint shampoo, occasional protein

Experimenting with BRHG

"If you want the rainbow, you've gotta put up with the rain"

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  • kerlydookerlydoo Posts: 253Registered Users
    I found this list somewhere on nc.com.

    1,2,6 hexanetriol
    Butylene Glycol
    Dipropylene glycol
    Glycerin
    Hexylene Glycol
    Panthenol
    Phytantriol — enhances moisture-retention, increases absorption of vitamins, panthenol, and amino acids into hair shaft, imparts gloss
    Propylene glycol
    Sodium PCA
    Sorbitol
    Triethylene glycol
    Polyglyceryl sorbitol
    Glucose
    Fructose
    Polydextrose
    Potassium PCA
    Urea
    Hydrogenated Honey
    Hyaluronic Acid
    Inositol
    Hexanediol beeswax
    Hexanetriol Beeswax
    Hydrolyzed Elastin
    Hydrolyzed Collagen
    Hydrolyzed Silk
    Hydrolyzed Keratin
    Erythritol
    Capryl glycol
    Isoceteth-(3-10, 20, 30)
    Isolaureth-(3-10, 20, 30)
    Laneth-(5-50)
    Laureth-(1-30)
    Steareth-(4-20)
    Trideceth-(5-50)

    :shaking: I know! There's a lot.
    3a/3b, m/iii, color treated, parched
  • Riot CrrlRiot Crrl Posts: 3,135Registered Users
    Glycerin is probably the main contender. Stuff like sorbitol might be further down on the list and used more as a stabilizer.

    It's my thinking that humectants are more humect-y when they are in products that are left in, and not so much in rinse out stuff. I could be wrong of course, but that seems to be what happens to me. Stuff I leave in seems to have more of an effect in this capacity.

    Things like honey are not much of a leave-in type of deal, so the effect might be less.
  • BoomygrrlBoomygrrl Posts: 4,940Registered Users
    almost everything has at least one of these items on it, it seems. I guess it's a matter of what is less humect-y and how far down the list, eh?
    That's right, I said it! I wear scrunchies!!

    I am a sulfate washing, cone slabbing, curly lovin' s.o.b. The CG police haven't caught me yet.
    :blob8:

    3a/3b
  • jillipoojillipoo Posts: 3,795Registered Users
    Boomygrrl wrote: »
    almost everything has at least one of these items on it, it seems. I guess it's a matter of what is less humect-y and how far down the list, eh?

    Yes, I think so. And it really is amazing how many products contain these ingredients. But then again, not really.

    Msgiblet and I were recently chatting about this. We had both noticed that even certain conditioners with high moisture content (namely, Moisture Maniac) tended to make us frizzy. Now, I guess it's true that most of a conditioner gets rinsed out, but because most of us try to leave a wee bit in, it makes sense that some would still be in our hair even before we start applying styling products or leave-ins.

    So, for those of us particularly sensitive to humectants like glycerin, I think even a conditioner with glycerin as a primary ingredient can cause problems. Far down on the list, okay. But not among the first three or four ingredients.
    3a and strictly CG since August 2007. Porous and on the fine side. No to magnesium sulfate and glycerin. Yes to protein! Favorites:
    CO-WASHES: Suave Coconut
    CONDITIONERS and LEAVE-INS: Mop Top Daily Conditioner, KBB Nectar, Aubrey GPB or Island Naturals, Robert Craig, Any Jessicurl
    CURL ENHANCERS/CREMES/MOUSSES: KCCC, JoiWhip
    GELS: Fuzzy Duck, B5 Design, MGA Scultping, BRHG


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  • BoomygrrlBoomygrrl Posts: 4,940Registered Users
    jillipoo wrote: »
    Boomygrrl wrote: »
    almost everything has at least one of these items on it, it seems. I guess it's a matter of what is less humect-y and how far down the list, eh?

    Yes, I think so. And it really is amazing how many products contain these ingredients. But then again, not really.

    Msgiblet and I were recently chatting about this. We had both noticed that even certain conditioners with high moisture content (namely, Moisture Maniac) tended to make us frizzy. Now, I guess it's true that most of a conditioner gets rinsed out, but because most of us try to leave a wee bit in, it makes sense that some would still be in our hair even before we start applying styling products or leave-ins.

    So, for those of us particularly sensitive to humectants like glycerin, I think even a conditioner with glycerin as a primary ingredient can cause problems. Far down on the list, okay. But not among the first three or four ingredients.

    Thanks.
    That's right, I said it! I wear scrunchies!!

    I am a sulfate washing, cone slabbing, curly lovin' s.o.b. The CG police haven't caught me yet.
    :blob8:

    3a/3b
  • MagooMagoo Posts: 2,173Registered Users
    Gosh, that's a long list! Well, I know glycerin and propylene glycol are the biggest poof causers for me so maybe I'll try to avoid those or keep them low on the list.
    I can get frizzy from TIGI MM too and that has glycerin in it. I find that I can get poofy even with rinse out stuff that contains glycerin if it's too humid out.
    3b/c fine, thick, porous, protein sensitive
    Modified CG, CJ Rehab, JCWDT, KCKT, VO5 Chamomile Tea Therapy, CJDF, HEBE Gel/Mousse, Bioinfusion Rosemary Mint shampoo, occasional protein

    Experimenting with BRHG

    "If you want the rainbow, you've gotta put up with the rain"
  • Koukla72Koukla72 Posts: 1,680Registered Users
    Edited due to a cyberstalker. Sorry, guys. :(
  • jillipoojillipoo Posts: 3,795Registered Users
    Koukla72 wrote: »
    I've been thinking about this lately, since I read these two articles by CurlyChemist about humectants. I know Propylene Glycol makes my hair curlier and only very lightly frizzy, rather than full-on poofy like for many of you, and I've been wondering if any other humectants would do the same thing for me but without the frizz. Especially since I live in Southern CA, where it's drier than back east, and my hair is dry from color processing. I just wonder if the Propylene Glycol is helping my poor dry hair get that extra moisture it need and that's why it curls more when that's high in the ingredients list. (Glycerine doesn't seem to do much of anything that I've noticed, but then again I tend to avoid products with it high in the list because of color fade.)

    I've been tempted to mix some of the straight hyaluronic acid I have for skincare purposes into a leave-in conditioner or watery gel to see what happens since I saw it mentioned in the September article. I'm also really curious about the two new humectants she mentions, but I haven't come across any products with either of them yet. I don't suppose anybody knows of any conditioners, gels, or especially mousses with hydroxypropyl bis-hydroxyethyldimonium chloride or polyquaternium-71 high in the list? (the Curl Products section here no longer lets me search ingredients, darn it, and it's tedious work trying to check every product at Ulta or the drugstore. ;) )

    Interesting that you'd have different reactions to the different forms of glycerine. Guess that means they react differently in our hair. Great -- another variable to worry about! :confused2:

    As for searching, I have often had to just result to a plain old Google search to find products with certain ingredients. If you just type it into the search box, it will yield some ingredient lists.
    3a and strictly CG since August 2007. Porous and on the fine side. No to magnesium sulfate and glycerin. Yes to protein! Favorites:
    CO-WASHES: Suave Coconut
    CONDITIONERS and LEAVE-INS: Mop Top Daily Conditioner, KBB Nectar, Aubrey GPB or Island Naturals, Robert Craig, Any Jessicurl
    CURL ENHANCERS/CREMES/MOUSSES: KCCC, JoiWhip
    GELS: Fuzzy Duck, B5 Design, MGA Scultping, BRHG


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  • Koukla72Koukla72 Posts: 1,680Registered Users
    Edited due to a cyberstalker. Sorry, guys. :(
  • jillipoojillipoo Posts: 3,795Registered Users
    Koukla72 wrote: »
    Yeah, different humectants definitely seem to affect my hair differently, even if they're distantly related. Guess that means my PJ-ism must continue so I can test out every possibility, no matter how hard it is on me. ;) I tried Googling those ingredients, but I only got a few products, none of them really quite what I'm looking for. A couple were body washes from Neutrogena, one was a gel-type thing from Got 2 B I've already tried and rejected, and the other was a curl spray from Zero Frizz with glycerin and amodimethicone above it on the list that I'm sure will make my waves too limp and possibly strip my color.

    I think I'm going to try a version of Magoo's experiment too, to see what happens. I'm going to try to increase the amount of moisture my hair gets while I'm still in the shower or during a treatment before it, but once I'm out of the shower I'm going to try using styling products with as few humectants high in the ingredients list as possible. I've gone looking for gels and mousses that have my favorite fixative ingredients but few humectants and have come up with a few gel possibilities though no mousses yet. Hopefully that will help me deal with the warm marine layer we get around here in May and June and tide me over while I continue to play with my flaxseed gel recipe.

    Koukla72, I am looking to do the same thing. What gels have you discovered that are alcohol-free with humectants very far down the list? (I just bought Paul Brown's Gelatine Goo but see that propylene glycol is, like, the second ingredient. Sheesh.) I'm using the Max Green gels and like them but they are not *perfect.*
    3a and strictly CG since August 2007. Porous and on the fine side. No to magnesium sulfate and glycerin. Yes to protein! Favorites:
    CO-WASHES: Suave Coconut
    CONDITIONERS and LEAVE-INS: Mop Top Daily Conditioner, KBB Nectar, Aubrey GPB or Island Naturals, Robert Craig, Any Jessicurl
    CURL ENHANCERS/CREMES/MOUSSES: KCCC, JoiWhip
    GELS: Fuzzy Duck, B5 Design, MGA Scultping, BRHG


    Fotki password: chuckle
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    Twitter: nopoojillipoo
  • MagooMagoo Posts: 2,173Registered Users
    When I use the HEBE mousse that has propylene glycol as it's only humectant pretty far down the list of ingredients, my curls stay defined most of the day and don't go poofy on me. When I use the HEBE gel that has Laureth 4 very high up plus prop. glycol, I can get poofy if it's even a bit humid out.

    Yesterday I added just a pea size amount of SheaM under the mousse and my curls held up pretty well. Today, being the PJ that I am I decided to use a bigger dollop of the SheaM under the mousse and got a bit poofy towards the end of the day. So I'm thinking I need to cut back or limit how many humectants I put in my hair.

    I'm thinking this shouldn't dry out my hair as long as I condition very well while in the shower.
    3b/c fine, thick, porous, protein sensitive
    Modified CG, CJ Rehab, JCWDT, KCKT, VO5 Chamomile Tea Therapy, CJDF, HEBE Gel/Mousse, Bioinfusion Rosemary Mint shampoo, occasional protein

    Experimenting with BRHG

    "If you want the rainbow, you've gotta put up with the rain"
  • jillipoojillipoo Posts: 3,795Registered Users
    Magoo wrote: »
    When I use the HEBE mousse that has propylene glycol as it's only humectant pretty far down the list of ingredients, my curls stay defined most of the day and don't go poofy on me. When I use the HEBE gel that has Laureth 4 very high up plus prop. glycol, I can get poofy if it's even a bit humid out.

    Yesterday I added just a pea size amount of SheaM under the mousse and my curls held up pretty well. Today, being the PJ that I am I decided to use a bigger dollop of the SheaM under the mousse and got a bit poofy towards the end of the day. So I'm thinking I need to cut back or limit how many humectants I put in my hair.

    I'm thinking this shouldn't dry out my hair as long as I condition very well while in the shower.

    Interesting about the HEBE mousse versus gel. I have the gel and have never really been happy with it, for the reason you mention and also because it tends to prevent my curls from curling as they wish to.

    Have you tried the Totally Twisted mousse or gel?
    3a and strictly CG since August 2007. Porous and on the fine side. No to magnesium sulfate and glycerin. Yes to protein! Favorites:
    CO-WASHES: Suave Coconut
    CONDITIONERS and LEAVE-INS: Mop Top Daily Conditioner, KBB Nectar, Aubrey GPB or Island Naturals, Robert Craig, Any Jessicurl
    CURL ENHANCERS/CREMES/MOUSSES: KCCC, JoiWhip
    GELS: Fuzzy Duck, B5 Design, MGA Scultping, BRHG


    Fotki password: chuckle
    Blog: /home/leaving?target=http%3A%2F%2Fjillipoo.blogspot.com%2F" class="Popup
    Twitter: nopoojillipoo