Frustrated with back of canopy

funkediscofunkedisco Posts: 130Registered Users
The back of my canopy is somewhat flat and thin. I feel like it looks like I don't bother to brush it. The waves are limp... or they go frizzy. Nothing compared to the 3A ringlets near my face. :disgust:

My haircut is layered, my hair is fine, and right now the top layer of my canopy is almost to the top of my neck (my hair is almost shoulder length).

Maybe I need to give my hair more time to grow to allow better curl formation? Or maybe I need more time as a CG? (2 1/2 weeks now after a break) Or a better haircut when my hair get a little longer??

I'm frustrated and want some cute curls/waves, not to like I have bad hygiene! :sad7: Any suggestions?? Please help!
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  • porcupineporcupine Posts: 68Registered Users
    I'm having similar problems. Not always flatness, but just...non-uniformness and not as curly! My top layers are shorter than yours and I think this is my problem. So I am growing them out and keeping my fingers crossed ;) I think it is often to do with length for wavies...they need a bit of it to spin in the right direction! Mine are trying to spiral but too short so they look a little bit messy!
    Sorry, I know that was no help, but you're not alone!
  • hopetocurlhopetocurl Posts: 1,280Registered Users
    Do you plop your hair? I have a flat canopy as well, but I have started making extra sure that I am not pulling it flat when I plop. I think I was pulling the curl out of it. I think my hair is cut almost the same as yours. The other thing that I do it to make extra sure that I have conditioned it well, because mine was dry, flat and frizzy.
    I also make sure that I scrunch the product into that area well to define the curl and to make sure that it gets enough product to curl. I HTH.
    Currently, using JC HCC, Too Shea, CK and CCSS, RR or LOOB or MOP-C.
    CK is the one!!

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  • SunshineGrrlSunshineGrrl Posts: 3,823Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    I second Hopetocurl. I have the same problem and plopping seems to help. We were just expounding on out woes about wanting 3A curls all over a few days ago. It's nice to know we're not the only ones! You could try making pin curls around the crown part of your hair and letting it dry to increase more uniform curls and have them not look quite so anemic.

  • hopetocurlhopetocurl Posts: 1,280Registered Users
    I second Hopetocurl. I have the same problem and plopping seems to help. We were just expounding on out woes about wanting 3A curls all over a few days ago. It's nice to know we're not the only ones! You could try making pin curls around the crown part of your hair and letting it dry to increase more uniform curls and have them not look quite so anemic.

    How do you pin curl? When I tried, mine stuck straight out, do you make a little coil and pin it all, or do you just loop it around and pin the end to the scalp? Did that make sense?
    Currently, using JC HCC, Too Shea, CK and CCSS, RR or LOOB or MOP-C.
    CK is the one!!

    as of 6/17/10 - I have to add Joico!

    Pics at: http://public.fotki.com/hopetocurl/
    pw:wheredacurls

    We could learn a lot from crayons; some are sharp, some are pretty, some are dull, some have weird names and each is a different color. But they all have to learn how to live in the same box. ~Anonymous

    Life is full of oxymorons....and morons too. ~hopetocurl
  • msgibletmsgiblet Posts: 5,825Registered Users
    Jumpin' in here to say that when I first started here I was very much a 2 and now -- on most days, anyway -- I'm a 3a. The first thing I had to do was grow my layers out some because they were too short to spiral around each other. Then I had to get lots of moisture into my hair. The canopy is usually the driest part because, obviously, it's more exposed, so I did - and still do - a lot of DTs. This really helps. But what really helps me now is having a stylist who knows how to cut layers so that they puzzle into each other and spiral really well. I also plop, but I don't get much of a flat top anymore since I switched from a MF towel to a Curlease. It really made a difference for me. I also start out diffusing upside down and I do a lot of gentle scrunching with my hands while I do this. I know it's been said a lot here that you shouldn't touch your hair, but I find with a weak curl pattern, that it does make a difference, at least for me. I don't do it for very long, though. I also need a good holding gel to keep it there while it's drying -- my favorite is Fuzzy Duck.

    Hang in there!! It does get better!
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  • SunshineGrrlSunshineGrrl Posts: 3,823Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    For my pin curls, I wrap the lock (I grab natural clumps) and wrap them around two of my fingers. I have found that my natural curl pattern equals about the diameter of two of my fingers. I wrap from the roots out and use a bobby pin only in the bottom of the curl at the scalp so I don't have funkified lines in the actual curl. Then I diffuse or let air-dry. I unpin, allow it to unwind gently, then maybe hairspray (sometimes while it's pinned) and/or scrunch it so it looks more like the rest of my hair.

  • funkediscofunkedisco Posts: 130Registered Users
    Thanks for the encouragement. I am wondering how much my current haircut is messing things up. My last cut was not by someone who knows curly hair. I've been growing it for about 2 months. Right now my hair is irritating me because it looks like a square around my face. The shorter layer spring up in front where my 3A ringlets are and then the longer underlayer is more 2B and just falls blandly. This is especially not good since I have round face, and my square hair seems to accentuate the roundness of my face...not cute at all!
    2a-3a
    Modified CG
    Suave Lavender Co, Tigi MM, CK, Fuzzy Duck/FX Curl

    :) Take up a course in happiness :)
  • msgibletmsgiblet Posts: 5,825Registered Users
    I know what you mean. It's really frustrating trying to get the hair to the right length and then finding someone to cut it correctly so it'll curl to its maximum potential. It seems like I have been growing layers out on the left side of my head forever. It's almost there, but I feel like it's taken years. This is the result of bangs that a previous stylist cut all the way back from the crown. Not pretty.
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    Countess Balashi of Divi Beach in the Order of the Curly Crusaders :occasion5:

    If I'm Going To Have A Bad Hair Day, It Might As Well Be In Aruba!

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  • SunshineGrrlSunshineGrrl Posts: 3,823Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    I only had my last haircut about 6-7 weeks ago. Maybe longer, but it feels like forever. The person cutting it was good, but cut it wet and cut it so "when" I wear my hair straight, it still looks normal. Uh, that would be never. I now officially hate to straighten my hair. She got rid of the triangle look, but I strongly recommend finding someone to give you a trim and/or shape. Everything is easier when you have a good haircut. I dream of the day when my hair grows out to spirals. At the rate my hair is growing...that would be when I'm 40 (28 now).

  • funkediscofunkedisco Posts: 130Registered Users
    Yeah, it will take me awhile too...I'm 26, so I'll be about 38 by the the time my hair gets to a length I want!
    2a-3a
    Modified CG
    Suave Lavender Co, Tigi MM, CK, Fuzzy Duck/FX Curl

    :) Take up a course in happiness :)
  • SunshineGrrlSunshineGrrl Posts: 3,823Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    I don't know why my hair won't grow lately. Usually, it grows really fast, but I got it colored when I last got it cut and I think it's grown maybe 1/4". You can barely see any roots and I don't think it's because the stylist did a fantastic job coloring to match my natural color (though she did do a good job). I take vitamins, eat healthy, take Biotin...what does a girl have to do to get good hair already?!

  • funkediscofunkedisco Posts: 130Registered Users
    I'm sorry to hear that Sunshine :sad7: Have you thought that maybe your hair has more shrinkage making it seem to take forever to grow?

    I feel your pain about it not happening fast enough...AND to add insult to injury, I had my brows threaded too thin around the same time I got my hair cut. I am letting them grow in as well and they are furry! But I am determined not pluck them until they have grown back most of the way because the shape they were threaded to is vastly different my from natural brow shape. I want to have clean, natural arches but I have to grow some caterpillars first :laughing7:

    I feel like I look like a hot mess all the time between my hair and my brows!
    2a-3a
    Modified CG
    Suave Lavender Co, Tigi MM, CK, Fuzzy Duck/FX Curl

    :) Take up a course in happiness :)
  • SunshineGrrlSunshineGrrl Posts: 3,823Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    You're right on the shrinkage, but the roots are a dead giveaway. I just went to the bathroom and saw the roots in back. Maybe I really just did have a fab stylist who matched my natural hair color well enough that I can't tell where my growth is. Rock on! It's still not growing very much, but probably more than I think.

    And girl, do I feel your pain with the eyebrows! I randomly end up with bald patches in my eyebrows where I *know* I haven't plucked! I've never threaded, but dang...do I pluck a lot! And just remember...it's Spring! The time for Caterpillars, so you're just being festive!

  • oethereal1oethereal1 Posts: 327Registered Users
    it's Spring! The time for Caterpillars, so you're just being festive!

    :laughing7:
  • funkediscofunkedisco Posts: 130Registered Users
    LOL! Sunshine! A great way to look at it :tongue5:
    2a-3a
    Modified CG
    Suave Lavender Co, Tigi MM, CK, Fuzzy Duck/FX Curl

    :) Take up a course in happiness :)
  • SunshineGrrlSunshineGrrl Posts: 3,823Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    I find that looking on the funny/bright side of things makes everything easier to bear.

  • porcupineporcupine Posts: 68Registered Users
    msgiblet wrote: »
    Jumpin' in here to say that when I first started here I was very much a 2 and now -- on most days, anyway -- I'm a 3a. The first thing I had to do was grow my layers out some because they were too short to spiral around each other. Then I had to get lots of moisture into my hair. The canopy is usually the driest part because, obviously, it's more exposed, so I did - and still do - a lot of DTs.

    MsG...don't know whether you'll read this as this thread was back lower down the list...

    While you were waiting for your layers to grow out, did you still wear it curly? I think this is the exact problem I am having and I think you've mentioned it to me before. My hair just doesn't really sit together very well, and the layers really need to be grown out before my hair looks any kinda nice. How long were your layers before they spiralled properly?

    Mine are really short and I am so frustrated with my hair. I'm beginning to think i might go back to straightening for awhile until its longer. Still continue the good stuff on my hair though as modified CG has def helped.

    I have occasionally been wearing my hair wavy but not trying to get it curly - if that makes sense? less scrunching etc finger combing and so on. I could rock that for awhile I guess. Just annoying as my hair used to be spirally in the 3a's i think, and now...well i actually have no clue, 2a i guess. Rah!
  • hopetocurlhopetocurl Posts: 1,280Registered Users
    porcupine wrote: »
    msgiblet wrote: »
    Jumpin' in here to say that when I first started here I was very much a 2 and now -- on most days, anyway -- I'm a 3a. The first thing I had to do was grow my layers out some because they were too short to spiral around each other. Then I had to get lots of moisture into my hair. The canopy is usually the driest part because, obviously, it's more exposed, so I did - and still do - a lot of DTs.

    MsG...don't know whether you'll read this as this thread was back lower down the list...

    While you were waiting for your layers to grow out, did you still wear it curly? I think this is the exact problem I am having and I think you've mentioned it to me before. My hair just doesn't really sit together very well, and the layers really need to be grown out before my hair looks any kinda nice. How long were your layers before they spiralled properly?

    Mine are really short and I am so frustrated with my hair. I'm beginning to think i might go back to straightening for awhile until its longer. Still continue the good stuff on my hair though as modified CG has def helped.

    I have occasionally been wearing my hair wavy but not trying to get it curly - if that makes sense? less scrunching etc finger combing and so on. I could rock that for awhile I guess. Just annoying as my hair used to be spirally in the 3a's i think, and now...well i actually have no clue, 2a i guess. Rah!

    I feel your pain. I had my hair re-layered at the beginnig of March and the top layer was cut too short to spiral. I have been conditioning and gelling and waiting. It is beginning to spiral on some days, but the past few days here have been so rainy, I've just got soft curls...not quite frizzy, but not well formed either.

    But this is typical of 3a hair...has to be long enough to curl. Do have an updated pic on your fotki?
    Currently, using JC HCC, Too Shea, CK and CCSS, RR or LOOB or MOP-C.
    CK is the one!!

    as of 6/17/10 - I have to add Joico!

    Pics at: http://public.fotki.com/hopetocurl/
    pw:wheredacurls

    We could learn a lot from crayons; some are sharp, some are pretty, some are dull, some have weird names and each is a different color. But they all have to learn how to live in the same box. ~Anonymous

    Life is full of oxymorons....and morons too. ~hopetocurl
  • porcupineporcupine Posts: 68Registered Users
    hopetocurl wrote: »
    porcupine wrote: »
    msgiblet wrote: »
    Jumpin' in here to say that when I first started here I was very much a 2 and now -- on most days, anyway -- I'm a 3a. The first thing I had to do was grow my layers out some because they were too short to spiral around each other. Then I had to get lots of moisture into my hair. The canopy is usually the driest part because, obviously, it's more exposed, so I did - and still do - a lot of DTs.

    MsG...don't know whether you'll read this as this thread was back lower down the list...

    While you were waiting for your layers to grow out, did you still wear it curly? I think this is the exact problem I am having and I think you've mentioned it to me before. My hair just doesn't really sit together very well, and the layers really need to be grown out before my hair looks any kinda nice. How long were your layers before they spiralled properly?

    Mine are really short and I am so frustrated with my hair. I'm beginning to think i might go back to straightening for awhile until its longer. Still continue the good stuff on my hair though as modified CG has def helped.

    I have occasionally been wearing my hair wavy but not trying to get it curly - if that makes sense? less scrunching etc finger combing and so on. I could rock that for awhile I guess. Just annoying as my hair used to be spirally in the 3a's i think, and now...well i actually have no clue, 2a i guess. Rah!

    I feel your pain. I had my hair re-layered at the beginnig of March and the top layer was cut too short to spiral. I have been conditioning and gelling and waiting. It is beginning to spiral on some days, but the past few days here have been so rainy, I've just got soft curls...not quite frizzy, but not well formed either.

    But this is typical of 3a hair...has to be long enough to curl. Do have an updated pic on your fotki?

    I have major clumping probs with my hair because there's too many different lengths for them all to sit happy as one! I am conditioning it so much and its in good condition now, guess I have to keep onwaiting, but it takes so long! All my pics on my fotki are the last three weeks, as you can see, all very much 2 hair. Maybe my memory isn't right and I was never a 3 :dontknow: but I have seen a few pics of me five yrs or so ago with very spirally hair, and I rarely left it straight then. *sigh*
  • SunshineGrrlSunshineGrrl Posts: 3,823Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    Even though you just got your hair cut, I highly advocate getting it cut by a curly specialist. I had your same problems. I could have sworn I was a 3A, but was only accomplishing 2B curls. I was moisturizing the heck out of my hair, putting strong hold gel to have it hold the curl patterns, etc. I just resigned myself to the fact that I was now a 2B until I could get some length on my hair.

    THEN I made an appointment to get my hair recut with a curly specialist (she's second-hand deva trained and planning on going to get deva certified). She did a fantastic job cutting, never touched a comb the entire time and cut individual locks of hair to encourage spirals. The next day when I styled it (with Deva products, of course now)...low and behold...3A curls! And even the canopy! Even though it's an investment, I think it might be worth it for you.

  • porcupineporcupine Posts: 68Registered Users
    Even though you just got your hair cut, I highly advocate getting it cut by a curly specialist. I had your same problems. I could have sworn I was a 3A, but was only accomplishing 2B curls. I was moisturizing the heck out of my hair, putting strong hold gel to have it hold the curl patterns, etc. I just resigned myself to the fact that I was now a 2B until I could get some length on my hair.

    THEN I made an appointment to get my hair recut with a curly specialist (she's second-hand deva trained and planning on going to get deva certified). She did a fantastic job cutting, never touched a comb the entire time and cut individual locks of hair to encourage spirals. The next day when I styled it (with Deva products, of course now)...low and behold...3A curls! And even the canopy! Even though it's an investment, I think it might be worth it for you.

    Not sure if that was for me or others...If it was for me, I've not just had my haircut, my last haircut about 6 weeks or so ago. The layers are not new, I've had short layers years, I just rarely wore it wavy. Plus I'm in the UK. There are pretty much 0 curly trained people over here haha.
  • SunshineGrrlSunshineGrrl Posts: 3,823Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    Awww crap. I think there is a thread about cutting your own hair to encourage the curl. You may want to check it out. You may just need to cut a curl here and there to help the rest spring up. I am jealous that you live in the UK, though. One of these days I'll make it over there!

  • porcupineporcupine Posts: 68Registered Users
    I'll have a word with my hairdresser, she's pretty cool and open for most things, worth a try anyway. I would make a hack job of it, trust me! :toothy7:
    Really?! Why the UK? It's a funny old place. April showery today - mixes of masses of rain then beautiful sun! Hair = in a bun!!
  • SunshineGrrlSunshineGrrl Posts: 3,823Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    Oh, the history of it all! I'm a history freak. Plus, to see the places in all the historical romance novels I've read. And it's the land of my ancestors...way, way, way back. And it's beautiful and one of the only places I can go that speaks English!

  • porcupineporcupine Posts: 68Registered Users
    Ahhh yes OK I will give you that, there are plenty of wonderful beautiful places here, great for weekends away etc...sometimes you need someone else to point it out to you when its all on your doorstep I guess! Great pubs and shopping too!

    Anyway *ahem* I shall stop dragging this off topic now!!
  • msgibletmsgiblet Posts: 5,825Registered Users
    porcupine wrote: »
    msgiblet wrote: »
    Jumpin' in here to say that when I first started here I was very much a 2 and now -- on most days, anyway -- I'm a 3a. The first thing I had to do was grow my layers out some because they were too short to spiral around each other. Then I had to get lots of moisture into my hair. The canopy is usually the driest part because, obviously, it's more exposed, so I did - and still do - a lot of DTs.

    MsG...don't know whether you'll read this as this thread was back lower down the list...

    While you were waiting for your layers to grow out, did you still wear it curly? I think this is the exact problem I am having and I think you've mentioned it to me before. My hair just doesn't really sit together very well, and the layers really need to be grown out before my hair looks any kinda nice. How long were your layers before they spiralled properly?

    Mine are really short and I am so frustrated with my hair. I'm beginning to think i might go back to straightening for awhile until its longer. Still continue the good stuff on my hair though as modified CG has def helped.

    I have occasionally been wearing my hair wavy but not trying to get it curly - if that makes sense? less scrunching etc finger combing and so on. I could rock that for awhile I guess. Just annoying as my hair used to be spirally in the 3a's i think, and now...well i actually have no clue, 2a i guess. Rah!

    Hi Porcupine - sorry I'm just responding to this. I did wear my curly -- or tried to anyway -- while the layers were growing out, although it really was just wavy at that point. You can check out my earliest fotkis from 2007 and probably see some difference; the only problem is I don't have any pics in there from when it was really short. I agree that is VERY frustrating while you're waiting for the layers to grow out, but if you're trying to eventually get to that curly point, I wouldn't advise straightening. I think it could really slow down your curl potential and you really want your hair healthy & moisturized for it to curl its best.

    I don't go to a Deva-trained stylist, but I do go to one who knows how to deal with curly hair and is very good at blending my layers so that they puzzle into each other which I think is very important - that way you can have 2 or 3 layers but it still looks like one spiral because they're blended so well.

    I don't know exactly how long my hair was before it began to spiral well -- I'm guessing maybe 4-5 inches? I have very loose curl so it has to be long enough to wrap around itself so it'll form a spiral, so it did have some length on it.

    Don't worry, it'll get there. It really didn't seem like it took mine that long and I even get trims - or micro trims - religiously every 8 weeks or so. My hair does grow fast, though.

    Hang in there! You'll have those spirally curls going on before you know it! :wink:
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  • hopetocurlhopetocurl Posts: 1,280Registered Users
    Hey porcupine... what styling products are you using on your hair?
    Currently, using JC HCC, Too Shea, CK and CCSS, RR or LOOB or MOP-C.
    CK is the one!!

    as of 6/17/10 - I have to add Joico!

    Pics at: http://public.fotki.com/hopetocurl/
    pw:wheredacurls

    We could learn a lot from crayons; some are sharp, some are pretty, some are dull, some have weird names and each is a different color. But they all have to learn how to live in the same box. ~Anonymous

    Life is full of oxymorons....and morons too. ~hopetocurl
  • porcupineporcupine Posts: 68Registered Users
    msgiblet wrote: »
    Hi Porcupine - sorry I'm just responding to this. I did wear my curly -- or tried to anyway -- while the layers were growing out, although it really was just wavy at that point. You can check out my earliest fotkis from 2007 and probably see some difference; the only problem is I don't have any pics in there from when it was really short. I agree that is VERY frustrating while you're waiting for the layers to grow out, but if you're trying to eventually get to that curly point, I wouldn't advise straightening. I think it could really slow down your curl potential and you really want your hair healthy & moisturized for it to curl its best.

    I don't go to a Deva-trained stylist, but I do go to one who knows how to deal with curly hair and is very good at blending my layers so that they puzzle into each other which I think is very important - that way you can have 2 or 3 layers but it still looks like one spiral because they're blended so well.

    I don't know exactly how long my hair was before it began to spiral well -- I'm guessing maybe 4-5 inches? I have very loose curl so it has to be long enough to wrap around itself so it'll form a spiral, so it did have some length on it.

    Don't worry, it'll get there. It really didn't seem like it took mine that long and I even get trims - or micro trims - religiously every 8 weeks or so. My hair does grow fast, though.

    Hang in there! You'll have those spirally curls going on before you know it! :wink:


    Thanks MsG. I'm gonna keep waiting for it to grow, I was trying to grow it longer in general anyway. To be honest, my hair wasn't in that bad condition when I started this whole CG thing, and that was from straightening virtually daily. Now its improved yeah, but it wasn't as bad as I thought it was! I'm not going back to everyday straightening, but I might wear it straight every so often. Who knows! I'm going to continue doing the whole CG thing, and loads of moisture etc. My hair is shiny and soft from doing that.

    I'm looking after my hair well, and taking nourishing vits etc to make the most of my growth, tho i know you can't really speed it up. I have colour done every two months so I will get her to snip off the very least that she has to then. I'll mention about the layers then, she's always cut my hair as if I have straight hair, because she knew I always wore it straight!

    To be honest, I'm beginning to wonder whether I am kidding myself, and whether I ever had spirals at all, I am beginning to think I am just a 2a and that's all its going to be. My longer layers curl differently to the shorter ones, but not as bouncy, so maybe length won't work :cry: I don't know. Just feeling a bit disheartened today, bad hair day and I'm very tired etc. I think I have just been pretending in my head my hair can be curlier, I'm really not sure it can.

    I'm growing it anyway tho either way.

    hopetocurl - i live in the UK so some stuff you won't have heard of. For styling - I change my mind every day! I have a couple of mousses including joiwhip, usually leave in cond or curl cream under those to minimise crunch. I use Boots curl cream sometimes, AO B5 gel sometimes as well...I'm actually struggling to think of more products that I have when I know I have lots!! They are the the most common. Then I have lots of conditioners and DT's etc sulphate free poos
  • SunshineGrrlSunshineGrrl Posts: 3,823Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    Porcupine: You may want to try not using a curl cream. I've found that it makes my curls more loose. To help avoid crunch, you can make a refresher spray with conditioner, a bit of gel and water and spray it on your hands while scrunching out the crunch. And I've found that a harder holding gel defines what I thought was 2B curls into 2C and even 3A curls.

  • msgibletmsgiblet Posts: 5,825Registered Users
    I agree with SunshineGrrl and was just going to post something similar. Considering your curl type, creams and even leave-in conditioners could be too much for your hair. I have no luck with them -- my hair is thick, but also pretty fine, and these weigh my hair down and pull out my curl. As far as crunch -- I like crunch because that usually means my curl is going to hold well - I just scrunch it out with my dry hands when my hair has finished drying. I have found that even using product for scrunching can sometimes pull my curl out, so I don't use anything. I find that less is more with a weaker curl pattern, especially if you have fine hair.
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