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My grey will not hold color!!

SystemSystem Posts: 39,059 Administrator
My grey hair will not hold color no matter what I've used: Drugstore or Salon!

I did a rinse maybe 2 weeks ago and the color is holding strong on my brown hair but has totally washed off my greys...grrr! I have a rather large patch of greys in my bangs that I want to cover...not sure what to do now.

Speckla
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  • Riot CrrlRiot Crrl Posts: 3,135Registered Users
    Drugstore boxes covered mine fine for years until very recently, then they just stopped working on the grey.

    That was one contributing factor of my ultimate decision to henna...
  • lapushkalapushka Posts: 601Registered Users
    Usually they make a difference between dye that does cover grey hair and dye that doesn't. And the dye that does cover the greys is divided into strong dye that could cover a whole head of grey hair and less stronger dye that might cover up to 20%.
  • KaisercurlsKaisercurls Posts: 100Registered Users
    Speckla wrote: »
    My grey hair will not hold color no matter what I've used: Drugstore or Salon!

    I did a rinse maybe 2 weeks ago and the color is holding strong on my brown hair but has totally washed off my greys...grrr! I have a rather large patch of greys in my bangs that I want to cover...not sure what to do now.

    Speckla

    Have you used any of Nice and easy products? They have a new color that I want to try called Perfect 10. The box says its garenteed. I think Loreal Excellence Cream is a great color also. I am VERY grey and its not even grey, its white hair. So, mine is hard to cover as well.
    I am a 2c w/spirals underneath! 35 years old with 85% white hair. I am currently using DevaOne everyday with No Poo. I am using Smooth N Shine Gel Conditioner Extra-Hold on my course hair and it works awesome for 3 bucks. I found putting Color Magic into my hair color really covers the gray well. :blob7:
  • alwaysaangelalwaysaangel Posts: 55Registered Users
    I have really resistant grey too. Its really annoying.

    A couple of things to do:

    1) Keep trying dyes - there is one thats right for you. Remember you want Permanent and FOR GRAY hair. I've personally had no luck with nice and easy or garnier. But Loreal has been ok as well as one called Natural something or other. Unfortunately they keep discontinuing my colors so I have to change and try again.

    2) Go to a salon store and ask for "grey drops" its an additive you put in the dye to make it hold better.

    3) Let it stay in a little longer than instructed - you have to be VERY careful with this especially if you do your whole head. Do it normal the first time then add 5 min with each subsequent dye. Eventually you'll find a good time for you
    (seriously this works well but you have to be very careful - DO NOT get cocky - I assumed adding 20 min to a new dye would be fine because I always add 20 min and now I have a botched dye job thats about 5 shades darker than my normal/natural color - its going to take ages to return)

    Good luck!
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  • HarleyCurlHarleyCurl Posts: 256Registered Users
    Some of my gray was coming through UNTIL I put the vinegar rinse on. Now ALOT is showing. It's like the vinegar stripped off a ton of the color.
  • jillipoojillipoo Posts: 3,795Registered Users
    Have you tried Robert Craig? My gray is pretty resistant, too, and I'm finding that Robert Craig color is covering it pretty well.
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  • HarleyCurlHarleyCurl Posts: 256Registered Users
    Hey there Jilli! I haven't tried the Robert Craig. My stylist does my hair. She mixes two different colors together and I don't know what she uses.
  • jillipoojillipoo Posts: 3,795Registered Users
    My stylist was mixing a few colors for me, too. She used Matrix colors. And I loved it but I could see that it was drying my hair out over time. Plus, toward the end, it wasn't taking color like it used to -- sometimes I'd leave and my roots had been dyed but still weren't as dark as the rest of my hair.

    So, I tried Robert Craig back in December. I wasn't crazy about it at first -- primarily because I hate applying hair color myself. I'm all thumbs and miss spots no matter how careful I am. Plus, with Robert Craig, they don't tell you that if you apply it over existing salon color, it turns black! There are many quirks that go with using Robert Craig color and I'm still not 100 percent happy with it, but I want to keep trying because despite all the annoyances, it does cover my gray better than salon color did.

    One of the women here, CurliLocks, dispenses excellent advice about Robert Craig color, so if you have questions or concerns, she can usually answer them. Plus, you can write Robert Craig's help desk directly (the only problem is, your questions are more likely to come up *after* you've colored your hair!).

    Anyway, I raise the idea not only because it covers gray well (at least for me) but also because it has no ammonia or peroxide.
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    CURL ENHANCERS/CREMES/MOUSSES: KCCC, JoiWhip
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  • HarleyCurlHarleyCurl Posts: 256Registered Users
    Thanks for the advice about the Robert Craig, Jilli. I will ask my stylist about it and see if she's ever heard of it. I think I would be terrified of doing my own color! It's probably easier than I think it is though.

    I haven't hair highlights in my hair for a few months now, just color and am thinking of getting a few either April or May.For now I am using my gray as my highlights! LOL My hair is orginally really really dark brunette. I have given some thought to going gray but the transition may look awful! I have seen KurlyKarenLees pics and her's looks great! My hair is more salt and pepper, I am thinking.
  • jillipoojillipoo Posts: 3,795Registered Users
    Sad to say, but your stylist probably will never have heard of Robert Craig. Mine sure didn't.

    So, I've been ordering it online (www.robertcraig.com) and applying it myself at home, but I think next month I'm going to buy it and bring it to the salon and see if she'll apply it for me! (I just *know* there are gray patches growing on the back of my head...!)

    I'm scared to go salt and pepper, too! I envy women who take that plunge.
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    CO-WASHES: Suave Coconut
    CONDITIONERS and LEAVE-INS: Mop Top Daily Conditioner, KBB Nectar, Aubrey GPB or Island Naturals, Robert Craig, Any Jessicurl
    CURL ENHANCERS/CREMES/MOUSSES: KCCC, JoiWhip
    GELS: Fuzzy Duck, B5 Design, MGA Scultping, BRHG


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  • Riot CrrlRiot Crrl Posts: 3,135Registered Users
    Gah, me too. I can't wait to have enough grey so I could transition and have it look decent. I'm in love with the silver fox look, but the amount I have now it just looks like I forgot to color them, or something. It is hard to explain.
  • jillipoojillipoo Posts: 3,795Registered Users
    I am eagerly awaiting that magical age when I no longer care how much gray I have or what shade of gray it is. I thought the magical age would be 40, but now it's looking like it won't even be 50!

    It's a drag being a slave to the bottle. (The hair color bottle, I mean.)
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    CO-WASHES: Suave Coconut
    CONDITIONERS and LEAVE-INS: Mop Top Daily Conditioner, KBB Nectar, Aubrey GPB or Island Naturals, Robert Craig, Any Jessicurl
    CURL ENHANCERS/CREMES/MOUSSES: KCCC, JoiWhip
    GELS: Fuzzy Duck, B5 Design, MGA Scultping, BRHG


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  • Riot CrrlRiot Crrl Posts: 3,135Registered Users
    Lol, now I'm just a slave to the foil packet.

    I don't know for how long though because this is a pretty color but I would really like to brown it down just a little. Dark dyes (other than henna) won't stay in my hair at all, even the pigmented hairs. My indigo tests are all having zero result.

    Maybe I was just meant to look like the Little Mermaid.
  • jillipoojillipoo Posts: 3,795Registered Users
    Riot Crrl wrote: »

    Maybe I was just meant to look like the Little Mermaid.

    Hmmm. Well, you *do* live in a pretty wet climate...
    3a and strictly CG since August 2007. Porous and on the fine side. No to magnesium sulfate and glycerin. Yes to protein! Favorites:
    CO-WASHES: Suave Coconut
    CONDITIONERS and LEAVE-INS: Mop Top Daily Conditioner, KBB Nectar, Aubrey GPB or Island Naturals, Robert Craig, Any Jessicurl
    CURL ENHANCERS/CREMES/MOUSSES: KCCC, JoiWhip
    GELS: Fuzzy Duck, B5 Design, MGA Scultping, BRHG


    Fotki password: chuckle
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  • Riot CrrlRiot Crrl Posts: 3,135Registered Users
    Lorraine Massey says that all curly girls are mermaids who were made to unnaturally walk upon land. She can be a little over the top at times.
  • SystemSystem Posts: 39,059 Administrator
    Riot Crrl wrote: »
    Lorraine Massey says that all curly girls are mermaids who were made to unnaturally walk upon land. She can be a little over the top at times.

    That seems a bit fishy to me. :fish: :laughing7:

    I want to try some RC or I am want to wait for all the commercial dye to grow out and try some body
    henna. I've seen what it can do to certain metalic dyes and I don't know what's been used on my hair (several drug store and salon colors). I've left dye for grey hair on longer (20 minutes) and applied heat from my blow dryer...my greys just don't wanna be colored. I'm going to keep on try though. I'm 33 and I'm about 20% grey. My bangs are nearly 50% grey and the rest is scattered all over my head and increasing in streaks as we speak. :thumbdown:

    Speckla
  • KaisercurlsKaisercurls Posts: 100Registered Users
    Speckla wrote: »
    Riot Crrl wrote: »
    Lorraine Massey says that all curly girls are mermaids who were made to unnaturally walk upon land. She can be a little over the top at times.

    That seems a bit fishy to me. :fish: :laughing7:

    I want to try some RC or I am want to wait for all the commercial dye to grow out and try some body
    henna. I've seen what it can do to certain metalic dyes and I don't know what's been used on my hair (several drug store and salon colors). I've left dye for grey hair on longer (20 minutes) and applied heat from my blow dryer...my greys just don't wanna be colored. I'm going to keep on try though. I'm 33 and I'm about 20% grey. My bangs are nearly 50% grey and the rest is scattered all over my head and increasing in streaks as we speak. :thumbdown:

    Speckla

    I will tell you RIGHT NOW, Robert Craig color stinks for grey hair. It will NOT give you the coverage you want. See the Hair Color section of this website. I wouldn't waste my time or money on that product.
    I am a 2c w/spirals underneath! 35 years old with 85% white hair. I am currently using DevaOne everyday with No Poo. I am using Smooth N Shine Gel Conditioner Extra-Hold on my course hair and it works awesome for 3 bucks. I found putting Color Magic into my hair color really covers the gray well. :blob7:
  • Riot CrrlRiot Crrl Posts: 3,135Registered Users
    Body art quality henna does not do anything to metallic dyes, except dye over it. Strand tests are always in order, but I can personally attest to having a head full of Feria and BAQ henna has only made it better. And much more red.

    This is only if you can be assured of getting 100% BAQ henna from a reliable supplier.

    But even if not, the danger I think does not lie in adding metal salt (may be in compound henna) to metal salt (may be in commercial dyes), it's adding bleach and peroxide and other chemical processes over metal salt that's already in the hair.
  • curlsgirlcurlsgirl Posts: 104Registered Users
    See where I posted a correction on the following post on down in this thread...

    I agree about the Robert Craig not covering the gray if it is very much at all. They even tell you that on the website. That is why I decided not to use it. I use Loreal Preference cream and really like it. I have about 20% gray or maybe a bit more. In the picture in my siggy I have old highlights down the length also but I usually only do my roots in a dark blond. It's halfway between my silvers and my brown and it blends really well. Oh and I still use the box.
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  • WiggilyhairWiggilyhair Posts: 779Registered Users
    I have the same problem. Robert Craig didn't help me at all. Nor did the Gray Magic drops from Sallys. My hair is baby fine. It grabs color fast, but maybe this is the same reason it wears off faster too.

    I have to redo my roots every 4 weeks. I really need it every 3 but hold out for 4.

    I decided twice a year I have to re-color my entire head after seeing a ton of grays that were as long as my entire length.

    Have you tried Clairol's Gray Solution colors? I haven't because they don't make it in the shade I need. /home/leaving?target=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.clairol.com%2Fniceneasy%2Fgraysolution%2Findex.jsp" class="Popup

    I wish they would invent color that would only stick to the grays.
  • bettinflabettinfla Posts: 389Registered Users
    I read on another Hair product website that Satin Haircolor which you can get at bestclippers.com is supposed to cover the gray. There is a store in my South Jersey area that carries it; I am planning on trying IT next time. I am light blonde and nothing works on my white temples -- thank God the curls make it blend in somewhat!!!
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  • starinastarina Posts: 665Registered Users
    I have this problem with resistant gray hair too. I currently use Nice and Easy because I like the way the color looks, but after 2-3 weeks the gray patch I have at the crown along my part is showing again. I've also used Excellence but no luck with that either. It really stinks that this is one problem that the companies that make hair color can't seem to solve.
    I have 3A hair. I've discovered Jessicurl shampoo and Too Shea conditioner and I'm thrilled! Long-time LA Looks sport gel user.
  • KaisercurlsKaisercurls Posts: 100Registered Users
    tell me ladies, what color are you putting on your hair.
    I am finding that no level 8's are covering, but if I go down to a 7 in the light brown's, they cover better. But then, I get the whole white/brown effect comming out of my hair.
    I am a 2c w/spirals underneath! 35 years old with 85% white hair. I am currently using DevaOne everyday with No Poo. I am using Smooth N Shine Gel Conditioner Extra-Hold on my course hair and it works awesome for 3 bucks. I found putting Color Magic into my hair color really covers the gray well. :blob7:
  • CurliLocksCurliLocks Posts: 10,572Registered Users Curl Dabbler
    curlsgirl wrote: »
    I agree about the Robert Craig not covering the gray if it is very much at all. They even tell you that on the website.
    ??? From his site:
    [SIZE=-1]Whether you're looking for superb gray coverage or to change or enchance your natural shade, Color by Robert Craig offers lush, long-lasting color for all types of hair.[/SIZE]
    I'm not sure where you got that idea (bolded), but it can and does cover even extremely resistant gray hair (mine) and hair with quite a bit of gray (sister's).

    There are conditions that can affect whether the Color works well for you though. If you have buildup, it won't be able to absorb into the hair. This also includes those doing full CG, if there is conditioner buildup. I do find that it takes better on the length, or even the root area on the second time, better than the virgin roots. I'm working on a thread with tips for using RC Color successfully on gray hair. I'll post it soon. :)
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  • InfraredheadInfraredhead Posts: 335Registered Users
    Alwaysaangel mentioned this in a previous post but I swear by this stuff and you can purchase it at Sally's:

    /home/leaving?target=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.sallybeauty.com%2FGray%2BMagic%2BColor%2BAdditive%2FARDELL18%2Cdefault%2Cpd.html" class="Popup

    I added it to the Clairol Perfect 10 I used about two weeks ago and no grey hairs are showing. I have used it with numerous brands though and it seems to work well. I have no clue how or why it works!

    My greys show up if I use a demi/semi color so I have to use a permanent one on the roots. I was thinking about trying out the Robert Craig just to refresh my color every so often. I read too many reviews about it not covering grey.
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  • SystemSystem Posts: 39,059 Administrator
    tell me ladies, what color are you putting on your hair.
    I am finding that no level 8's are covering, but if I go down to a 7 in the light brown's, they cover better. But then, I get the whole white/brown effect comming out of my hair.


    I had a level 4 put on my hair this past Saturday.
    I'll find out what's what when I wash my hair this coming Sat...I'm hoping to get a whole week of style since my hair was washed and conditioned when I had it colored!!

    Speckla
  • curlsgirlcurlsgirl Posts: 104Registered Users
    CurliLocks wrote: »
    curlsgirl wrote: »
    I agree about the Robert Craig not covering the gray if it is very much at all. They even tell you that on the website.
    ??? From his site:
    [SIZE=-1]Whether you're looking for superb gray coverage or to change or enchance your natural shade, Color by Robert Craig offers lush, long-lasting color for all types of hair.[/SIZE]
    I'm not sure where you got that idea (bolded), but it can and does cover even extremely resistant gray hair (mine) and hair with quite a bit of gray (sister's).

    There are conditions that can affect whether the Color works well for you though. If you have buildup, it won't be able to absorb into the hair. This also includes those doing full CG, if there is conditioner buildup. I do find that it takes better on the length, or even the root area on the second time, better than the virgin roots. I'm working on a thread with tips for using RC Color successfully on gray hair. I'll post it soon. :)
    Please forgive me if I am wrong but I am almost positive that Karin wrote me back and when I said I have about 20-30% gray that I was told it wouldn't work well for me. That has been a while back and I don't have the email so I wrote them back again with that question just now. I do apologize if i am wrong and I cannot find it on the website. If it will work, I may be interested actually. I noticed my Loreal is not working as well as it did just the last few times since I am getting more gray. Again, I did not mean to mislead anyone!!!
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  • curlsgirlcurlsgirl Posts: 104Registered Users
    Okay this is the VERY quick reply I got! I am SO sorry again and here is the reply from Karin:

    The color is designed to cover grey - it is permanent and most find that it
    fades much less than peroxide dyes
    .......please let me know if I can be of further help.
    Thank you for visiting our web site.
    regards,
    Karin

    karin@robertcraig.com
    Visit www.robertcraig.com for all your hair color and hair care needs.
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  • CurliLocksCurliLocks Posts: 10,572Registered Users Curl Dabbler
    That was a very brief answer, but I guess to the point. :) I'm glad it was clarified though.

    If you decide to try RC, choose a color about 3 shades lighter than your hair so it doesn't get too dark. It's easier to go darker later if needed but not lighter. I can help you find a good color if you need help, I've been pretty good with helping other curlies choose good colors. :)

    I actually spoke to RC the other day, as I wanted to change colors and had some issues with the gray too (turning red), and got some really good tips. Like I mentioned before, I'm working on getting the info in order to post an FYI thread. :)

    One thing he did say is that the people that have problems with the color usually have very healthy hair (like mine). Damaged and porous hair does take the color better, but there are tricks to get the healthy hair to grab the color as well. ;) Using a good shampoo a couple of times before coloring helps (even if just on those resistant gray roots).
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  • curlsgirlcurlsgirl Posts: 104Registered Users
    CurliLocks wrote: »
    If you decide to try RC, choose a color about 3 shades lighter than your hair so it doesn't get too dark. It's easier to go darker later if needed but not lighter. I can help you find a good color if you need help, I've been pretty good with helping other curlies choose good colors. :)
    Thanks! I imagine a strand test is pretty important as well! My hair is very healthy because I take good care of it otherwise, just color roots etc. The ends are probably more porous because the color is older where I used to pull it all the way through and also because of the curliness. I don't use heat except my bangs and I keep it moisturized, detangle with a wide tooth comb etc. I may try the RC, what would it hurt? :nike:
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