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Wait...how often do you cowash?

I never really made sure when I started CG (well, my version of it, anyway :tongue5:) just how often I'm actually supposed to cowash. I guess I just figured it would take the place of shampooing and I would just do it as often as I used to shampoo, but the more I glean from reading other people's posts, the more I think I might be doing too much and actually hindering my curls.

Example: Even though I thought my hair was dry, damaged, and thirsty, I think I very well may currently be overconditioned (which is a definite first for me!), or else I had such terrible buildup in the underlayers that I didn't notice it until I got my haircut. Either way, I plan to do a vinegar rinse tonight, which will hopefully cure my dullness and frizziness, and also help out with the horrendous tangle issue I had yesterday.

So tell me - how often do you cowash, and do you consider a cowash to include the scalp rub, or just a general smoothing/combing of condish down the length of your hair? I do a scalp massage once a week (usually on the same day I DT so I don't forget either one), and just do a general combing through with condish (staying fairly clear of the roots) twice, sometimes three times a week. Is that too often? Should I be combing through condish only when I scalp scrub and just getting my hair dripping wet on the other days, or am I right on target and my problem is just that I'm so new at this that my hair is still "fixing itself"?

Just when we think we have it all figured out, one tiny variable changes, and our hair goes to crap. :laughing7:
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  • jeepcurlygurljeepcurlygurl Posts: 19,238Registered Users Curl Dabbler
    I co-wash 2 or 3 times a week. I scalp scrub, detangle with my fingers, rinse, put gel and a little conditioner in my hair, plop, diffuse.
    The other days I water wash, add gel etc.
    I do a vinegar rinse a couple times a month and DT about once a month.
    That's my whole routine!
    --I'm located in Western PA.
    --I found NC in late 2004, CG since February 2005, started going grey in late 2005.
    --My hair is 3B with some 3A, texture-medium/fine, porosity-normal except for the ends which are porous, elasticity-normal.
    --My long time favorite products are Suave & VO5 conditioners, LA Looks Sport Gel, oils, honey, vinegar.
    --My CG and grey hair progress -- http://www.naturallycurly.com/curltalk/going-gray/179328-jeepys-grey-hair-progress.html
  • Riot CrrlRiot Crrl Posts: 3,135Registered Users
    I only consider the co-wash to be the scrubbing thing. I wet down almost every day and condition, but I only scrub the scalp once every two or three days.
  • jillipoojillipoo Posts: 3,795Registered Users
    Riot Crrl wrote: »
    I only consider the co-wash to be the scrubbing thing. I wet down almost every day and condition, but I only scrub the scalp once every two or three days.

    This is exactly what I do. Except sometimes I go as long as four days before I co-wash.
    3a and strictly CG since August 2007. Porous and on the fine side. No to magnesium sulfate and glycerin. Yes to protein! Favorites:
    CO-WASHES: Suave Coconut
    CONDITIONERS and LEAVE-INS: Mop Top Daily Conditioner, KBB Nectar, Aubrey GPB or Island Naturals, Robert Craig, Any Jessicurl
    CURL ENHANCERS/CREMES/MOUSSES: KCCC, JoiWhip
    GELS: Fuzzy Duck, B5 Design, MGA Scultping, BRHG


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  • jennifermariajennifermaria Posts: 179Registered Users
    Like you, when I first went CG, I co-washed everyday (which is how frequently I shampooed). I learned very quickly what it is to have overconditioned hair LOL. I don't co-wash anymore because I find that my roots get very oily after a day or two, and the only way to really take care of it is to shampoo the roots--I just use a no sulfate shampoo so it's not too drying.

    I wish I could co-wash and not get overconditioned--it'd be nice to be able to just have one product to use in the shower LOL.
    2A or 3A, depending on the day...
    Always experimenting! Current go-to routine: Kinky Curly Come Clean Shampoo, Pantene Curls Conditioner, Bumble & Bumble Holding Foam, Aussie Aussome Volume Gel
  • alacurlalacurl Posts: 1,193Registered Users
    I cowash, which includes scalp scrub, 2 to 3 times a week, usually. Maybe a bit more often in hot weather.

    On the other days, I refresh my curls with water and perhaps a small amount of gel.
    shoulder-length 3a/b, depending on weather and products (or lack of products!)
  • FrizzBgoneFrizzBgone Posts: 2,678Registered Users
    jillipoo wrote: »
    Riot Crrl wrote: »
    I only consider the co-wash to be the scrubbing thing. I wet down almost every day and condition, but I only scrub the scalp once every two or three days.

    This is exactly what I do. Except sometimes I go as long as four days before I co-wash.
    This is pretty much what I do as well. I co-wash about every 3 days, other than I water rinse and condition. About once a week, or sometimes every 2nd week, I'll shampoo (sulfate free) and then condition.
    Type: 3a fine & dense,with normal porosity, terrible product junkie
    ROUTINE: LI, enhancer, gel, plop with Curlease towel, serum product (either CIAB or Gel-les'c), clip & diffuse.
    Too many favourite products to list ... I finally have my routine that works and alot of products to choose from. My product stash is huge, but well loved !!!
  • pinksugarpinksugar Posts: 2,346Registered Users
    I co-wash everyday. By this I mean rub my scalp using a Suave conditioner. I shampoo every Saturday. I haven't had any overconditioning problems since I've been using this routine (a little over a year now).
  • Gemini13Gemini13 Posts: 5,000Registered Users
    I co-wash once a week in the winter and twice a week when the humidity rises. By co-wash I mean I scrub my scalp while there's conditioner on it. I condition daily.
    Brooklyn, NY

    Hair: 3A/B, Underlayer of 2B
    HG products:
    Winter- Giovanni Tea Tree (co-wash) & 50/50 (condish); Curl Junkie Curl Assurance Leave-In; Curls Milkshake & Quenched Curls; Re:coil; BRHG
    Summer: DevaCurl No Poo & OneC; CK; Re:coil; BRHG; Honey!!!

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  • NottyNotty Posts: 1,456Registered Users
    alacurl wrote: »
    I cowash, which includes scalp scrub, 2 to 3 times a week, usually. Maybe a bit more often in hot weather.

    On the other days, I refresh my curls with water and perhaps a small amount of gel.
    This is what I do as well. During the summer when I get very sweaty I do co-wash more often; during the winter a couple of times a week; the rest of the week just a lite spritz of water and I'm good to go.
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  • SweetpeasSweetpeas Posts: 58Registered Users
    I conditioner wash my hair everyday. My hair really likes moisture and just seems to eat up conditioner like a sponge. I have very dry hair andI must stay on top of it.:wink:
    Currently Transitioning!!!
    Co-Wash 2x per week: PM The Detangler
    Scalp Cleanser 1x per month: V05 Con mixed w/ Brown Sugar
    Leave-In: PM The Conditioner Leave-In
    Styling Gel Staple: PM Spray Gel
  • redcelticcurlsredcelticcurls Posts: 17,502Registered Users
    I condition the length from about the tops of the ears down with each wetting. In the winter, my hair prefers at least every other day. I can go longer in the summer.

    For my scalp, I just WO (water only) but I did try my first ACV rinse today and I scrubbed my scalp with it too.
    Kiva! Microfinance works.

    Med/Coarse, porous curly.
  • marinacurlzmarinacurlz Posts: 1,720Registered Users
    I'm just starting it myself and my new stylist who is a HUGE CG fan, that you should start co-washing as much as you normally would shampoo and then taper down. She said she herself is down to twice a week. I hope this helps you, and hopefully I can get down to this myself!
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    Medium texture
    Average porosity

    Crazy-picky hair; likes some oils and proteins, but not others, can tolerate some glycerin.

    Current products-
    Co-wash: Suave/Vo5/TJ Refresh
    Rinse out & Leave in: Suave Tropical Coconut/Garnier Triple Nutrition
    Gel: Herbal Essences Set Me Up/Aussie Tizz No Frizz
  • susancnwsusancnw Posts: 1,366Registered Users
    Riot Crrl wrote: »
    I only consider the co-wash to be the scrubbing thing. I wet down almost every day and condition, but I only scrub the scalp once every two or three days.

    I'm the same way - think I'll be picking up a DT this week as I am highlighting on Sat.
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  • xcptnlxcptnl Posts: 15,678Registered Users
    I wet my hair everyday - no 2nd day hair for me. So I either poo (no sulfates) or cowash daily. I find because of the shampooing the cowashes do not leave me overconditioned.
    Central Massachusetts

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  • Brooke789Brooke789 Posts: 415Registered Users
    I condition my hair (the length) everyday, but I only co-wash once a week. Although this week I had to co-wash after about 3-4 days because of a product I was trying that was causing buildup.
  • Irish_carrottopIrish_carrottop Posts: 214Registered Users
    I do my whole routine, co-washing, conditioning, products, everything, every other day. Is that too much? Could someone tell me?
  • ellageorginaellageorgina Posts: 1,511Registered Users
    I co-wash about once a week - is this not enough?
    I condition every day unless I get 2nd day hair, in which case I add a little moisturising curl creme and some gel.
    3b-med texture-med porosity
    CG from 21-05-09 2nd try!
    Conditioners: Aubrey Organics Honeysuckle Rose, Aubrey Organics GPB Protein
    Stylers: CJ CCCC, CJ AFG, KCCC
    Gel: Lavera Organic

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  • NicaCurlsNicaCurls Posts: 164Registered Users
    I was doing the same thing you were, co-washing everytime I showered, and I got a little over-conditioned too. So I did an ACV rinse, and now I co-wash about one to two times a week and water wash and condition from the ears down on the days in between. My hair is reacting a lot better. Oh, and I do the scalp scrub every time I co-wash.
    Pacific Northwest 3a/3b, medium all across the board, possibly porous.

    Low-Poo: Trader Joe's Refresh
    Co-wash: V05 Tea Therapy Chamomile, Giovanni TTTT
    Rinse-out: GVP Conditioning Balm, Yes to Tomatoes, EO Chamomile & Honey
    Leave-in: Curl Junkie Curl Rehab, Sonoma Soap Company First Crush
    Deep Treatment: Jessicurl WDT
    Gels: BRHG, Biotera
    Stylers/Mousses: Komaza Coconut Pudding, Curls Goddess Glaze
  • hpwitzehpwitze Posts: 11Registered Users
    I co-wash (scrub the scalp) with a 1:1 mixture of conditioner and honey every Sunday.

    I generally I go by how my hair feels when I soak it in the shower. If it feels super soft and silky, I probably over conditioned the day before and I just water rinse.

    If I need to condition, which is most days, I use about 1/2 tbsp and just smooth over the canopy and underneath. I let is soak in while I wash, shave, etc... When I am ready to rinse, I flip my hair over and finger comb. Then I rinse.

    Good Luck!
    Heather
    3a/fine/ii
    2 years CG

    Routines:
    1x/week: honey/condition scalp scrub

    Air Dry:
    Condition: Sauve Naturals Tropical Coconut
    Microfiber Towel
    Gel: Herbal Essences Body Envy
    SOTC: pea size blob of conditioner

    Pixiecurl Dry:
    Condition: Sauve Naturals Tropical Coconut
    Microfiber Towel
    Gel: Herbal Essences Body Envy
    Mouse: Herbal Essences Totally Twisted
    SOTC: pea size blob of conditioner
  • SpiralliSpiralli Posts: 3,654Registered Users Curl Dabbler
    I CO wash usually every other day, but occasionally I will go to a third day.
    Location: Texas
    Type: 3b/3c (i), below shoulder length.
    CO wash: A-O GPB LYY, Desert Essence Coconut, Oribe Silverati
    Leave-ins: Curl Junkie Beauti-Curls, KCKT, cno overnight
    Styling: BRHG, MGA Sculpting Gel, A-O Mandarin Magic Gel, LOTD AVG, LALSG, CJ Pattern Pusha
    DT: Curl Junkie Deep Fix, Briogeo Don't Despair Repair!
  • FroggiloreFroggilore Posts: 141Registered Users
    I'm new, CG since 24 May 2009. I CO wash everyday otherwise I just look stringy. Also my scalp itches if I do not scrub it. I mix lemon juice with my conditioner once a week to clarify. I haven't tried much else but my canopy has a very hard time holding its curl. Any ideas what I should do to help that?
    Hair type: 2a/b, medium to fine texture, medium to high porosity (I think!)
    Routine: Occasionally wash with Lavender baby shampoo. CO wash with Garnier triple nutrition conditioner, use a nickel sized blob as a leave in, scrunch out a little water, scrunch in some aloe gel (FOTE), then scrunch in some Biosilk Rock Hard Gelee (BRHG). Plop with a backwards turbie twist for 10 min - to overnight.
    CG since 23 May 2009! (with some minor slips)
  • Curls=BeautyCurls=Beauty Posts: 1,781Registered Users
    I co-wash once a week. Any more than that and my hair is over conditioned.
    Cleanser: Liquid Castile Soap diluted in a foaming soap dispenser
    Rinse:
    ACV rinse
    Detangler/Conditioner:
    Oyin Handmade Greg Juice or Juices and Berries
    Stylers: Botticelli Botanicals Styling Mudd, KCCC, Honey Rinses and BRHG, Crack Leave-in Hair Cream when straightening

    Tools: Silk pillowcase, Floursack towels, Jersey T-Shirts, Wide Tooth Comb, Velecta Paramount TGR-VQX Hair Dryer (for when I straighten) and BaByliss PRO Ionic Rollabout Hard Hat Dryer
  • CurlyCassieRoCurlyCassieRo Posts: 94Registered Users
    I cowash about once a week and condition every other day. Occasionally, I get 3rd day hair.
    cowash: VO5 kiwi lime
    condition: Say Yes to Carrots (also leave in a smidge)
    styling: Marc Anthony Strictly Curls and Herbal Essence's Totally Twisted and DevaCurl Set it Free
    I am finally embracing my crazy curls! :happy2:
    modified CG since Jan. 2009 I am a Jersey Girl!
    CG was the best thing I ever did for my hair. Ever. :love4:
  • NoraCurlNoraCurl Posts: 345Registered Users
    How often you co-wash isn't necessarily the same as how often you shampoo. Before CG, I shampooed once a week, slowly moving up to twice a week. Right now, how often I co-wash is sort of mixed, but it is often. If I'm wearing my hair in a bun, I skip 1 day of co-washing. If I'm wearing my hair down (which is what I mostly do), then I do it daily. As for the buildup, I would recommend using a clarifying conditioner like V05 Tea Therapy Vanilla Mint or Kiwi Lime Squeeze. For that reason, I've never been overconditioned.
    :toothy4::toothy4:
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    3aMii, medium porosity, medium to low elasticity:color:

    Shampoo & Conditioner: HE Hydralicious Featherweight
    Styling: HETMS Spray Gel and Finishing Touch Cream
    DT: GF Triple Nutrition

  • crwrittcrwritt Posts: 705Registered Users
    Does this really mean that you're all getting your heads soaking wet every single day? My hair takes so long to dry I could never stand that. I'm interested in going CG but only if I can find the right routine and products so I can get my head wet at the most twice a week.
    Daily wetting is far too obsessive for me.
    That's why I've been hot roller setting for all these years, it looks good for five days or so.
    I used homemade FSG for the first time yesterday, along with an epsom salt rinse and a bit of Coconut Oil,and it dried very nicely. I woke up this morning with nice wavy hair. So tomorrow morning we'll see what third day hair looks like.
  • Lnm130Lnm130 Posts: 15Registered Users
    I have only been CG for about 2 weeks now, and the first week I co-washed everyday. Then, this last week, maybe every other day. I've 2 2nd day hair days. On the days I don't co-wash, I still condition with the items in my signature. I also use honey a lot...maybe every other time? However, when I wet my hair, it feels soft initially. After I rinse my condish out, I still get a squeaky feeling. Should I go back to co-washing everytime for a bit? I also picked up a placenta treatment, as well as a jojoba oil treatment to try. Just looking for opinions!
    :blob7:CG since 6/28/09:blob7:

    BSL 3a(?), medium texture, average porosity. I think.:dontknow:

    Co-Wash- VO5
    Condish- NutriGloss, GVPCB, or Lutrasilk
    Stylers I like so far: Honey, KY, Bioterra, LaLooks Sports Gel, HESMU
  • Sleepy OwlSleepy Owl Posts: 105Registered Users
    I usually co-wash or low poo every 2-3 days. I have been getting my hair wet almost every day lately though, because I have been trying out new products and I am not patient enough to wait 3 days. ;) (Besides, some of my experiments haven't produced nice 2nd day hair. lol )
    Laura
    2bc f/ii highly porous hair
    CG since Aug '06 ~ (mostly ;) )
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  • Sleepy OwlSleepy Owl Posts: 105Registered Users
    Co-wash as much as you need to. If your hair looks greasy or stringy, then you need to co-wash more often (or use a different product or method.) If I go more than 3 days, I get pretty greasy, but some people can go a week.
    Everyone is different. :)
    Laura
    2bc f/ii highly porous hair
    CG since Aug '06 ~ (mostly ;) )
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