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First post! Between a 3A and 3B, I think.

jax23jax23 Posts: 20Registered Users
Hi everyone! :) Here's the thing with my hair. Most of my hair on top is really curly, especially in front. However, my hair on the bottom is between wavy and curly. Also, my hair is thin, but I have lots of it. I need to know what products- shampoo/conditioner/gel, whatever, I should use or you recommend for me because I have had no luck what so ever in finding something that works for me. I can never wear my hair down curly because it's usually too frizzy or I just hate my curls. I think it's also the style of my hair cut. I don't know what to ask my hair stylist to cut it like either. I guess I just need advice in EVERYTHING! :P

Thanks in advance.
Hair Type: 3A/2C at crown with 2B/2A underneath. Trying to begin CG, have a lot to learn! Website pw: curls

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  • jax23jax23 Posts: 20Registered Users
    Ok, so after reading through a bunch of comments that ya'll left, I see that a lot of you don't shampoo your hair everyday. And that you also don't brush your hair? Right now I shampoo everyday with Paul Mitchell One Shampoo and use Matrix sleek conditioner. I also use a pick to comb through my hair afterwards. So, should I be changing my routine? Today actually, I tried leaving in about 50% of my conditioner still in my hair when I got out of the shower, and it really did make a difference. Maybe I should invest in a leave in conditioner.
    Hair Type: 3A/2C at crown with 2B/2A underneath. Trying to begin CG, have a lot to learn! Website pw: curls
  • jax23jax23 Posts: 20Registered Users
    Also, I think I'm more a 2C/3A now that I examine more closely :lol:
    Hair Type: 3A/2C at crown with 2B/2A underneath. Trying to begin CG, have a lot to learn! Website pw: curls
  • kimmyckimmyc Posts: 551Registered Users
    Hi and welcome. I don't shampoo everyday. I shampoo every 3 days or so (I can go 4-5 in the winter) and I've found that even cutting down to every other or every 3 days makes a big difference. Also, I definitely don't brush. It makes my hair poofy and it tears some of the hairs too. If I comb I do it with a wide tooth comb in the shower with alot of conditioner in. Mostly I just use my fingers to detangle.

    If you feel the need to wet your hair everyday, maybe try shampooing every other day and just conditioning the ends of your hair on the off days. This is how I started and as long as I don't put too much cond. right near my scalp, I'm good. Even if on the off days you think your hair looks or feels greasy, believe it or not, as your hair and scalp adjust, this problem will take care of itself and your scalp will stop producing as much oil to compensate for less washing. You can just massage your scalp really well with your fingers in the water and that makes a difference too.

    As for products I love Jessicurl stuff, Devacurl stuff and Elucence conditioner is awesome. Actually Elucence is reasonably priced and can be used as a rinse out or as a leave in so that would definitely be a good investment for you. It's available in Curlmart here. Jessicurl sells samples but unfortunately Devacurl doesn't. There's also a salon area where different salons are recommended. Maybe you could find a stylist in your area that is good. Alot of folks have long layers or point cutting (cutting random curls different lengths so they don't get that wedge look) done.

    If you don't find that you get alot of responses in this forum, post your questions on the general hair discussion board too. Everyone looks at it, not just the certain hair category. :D
    2b/3a, primarily use Jessicurl and DevaCurl products, Curls Hair Tea conditioner and various gels. I'm modified CG-ish since 5/04.
  • curly_princesscurly_princess Posts: 360Registered Users
    Hi there! Welcome!

    Kimmyc made a lot of great points. I definately recommend the book Curly Girl by Lorraine Massey.

    As for my routine, once I put gel in my hair (I recommend Biosilk Rock Hard Gelee - awesome gel that seems to be most sucessful in hair types like yours), I don't touch it. Not at all, until completely dry. I don't towel dry either. It just makes frizz.

    There's so much more to say, but I recommend continuing to read around the site. The 3a board has some great info. Good luck!
    3a/b, fine hair... with a mind of its own!
    PW- frenchfries

    Your hair, it's everywhere. Screaming infidelities, taking its wear.
  • jax23jax23 Posts: 20Registered Users
    Thanks so much for the tips. I'm going to try today for the first time to not brush my hair and to detangle it in the shower with my fingers. Kinda nervous. :? But, we'll see. Also, I'm kinda nervous about not shampooing everyday because my hair is thin and gets greasy really easily on the scalp. I think I'll start with every other day of shampooing. Then, on the days you don't shampoo, do you still use conditioner? I have to check out the products you recommended as well. I'm almost out of shampoo, so I would like to invest in a new one for me to start off and maybe a leave in conditioner then.
    Hair Type: 3A/2C at crown with 2B/2A underneath. Trying to begin CG, have a lot to learn! Website pw: curls
  • jax23jax23 Posts: 20Registered Users
    I didn't use a brush or a pick today. My curls were a lot more defined but some parts of my hair was fuzzy and the rest were stringy. I didn't use any products in my hair, and left about 50% of my conditioner in my hair again today. Any advice?

    Also- curly princess- I have almost the exact same kind of hair as you. I liked at yours in your www. My curls are just like yours but just on top, underneath my hair is only wavy. I even have almost straight hairs way underneath. My hair is odd. :roll:
    Hair Type: 3A/2C at crown with 2B/2A underneath. Trying to begin CG, have a lot to learn! Website pw: curls
  • PixieCurlPixieCurl Posts: 5,656Registered Users
    jax - the underneath layer of my hair is also much less curly than my top layers. it's barely wavy! you're not alone :)
    Faith, 3Aish redhead
    Mama to two wild superheroes and a curly-headed baby boy :love5:
  • jax23jax23 Posts: 20Registered Users
    PixieCurl wrote:
    jax - the underneath layer of my hair is also much less curly than my top layers. it's barely wavy! you're not alone :)

    Really? Could you help me out and recommend any products that you live by then? I have yet to find any products that I like and really need help in that area. Do you have an oily scalp? I do, so I'm not sure about the not shampooing everyday thing. I was thinking every other day and about getting the Devacurl Lo-poo I think it's called?
    Hair Type: 3A/2C at crown with 2B/2A underneath. Trying to begin CG, have a lot to learn! Website pw: curls
  • PixieCurlPixieCurl Posts: 5,656Registered Users
    jax23 wrote:
    Really? Could you help me out and recommend any products that you live by then? I have yet to find any products that I like and really need help in that area. Do you have an oily scalp? I do, so I'm not sure about the not shampooing everyday thing. I was thinking every other day and about getting the Devacurl Lo-poo I think it's called?

    i haven't found any products that really help make my underside curlier. my favorites are devacurl, biosilk rock hard gelee, and nexxus phyto organics redefining gel. maybe mention to your stylist your concern about the underneath layer and he/she can try to cut it to blend it better?

    i don't have an oily scalp, it's actually very dry. no poo for me!
    Faith, 3Aish redhead
    Mama to two wild superheroes and a curly-headed baby boy :love5:
  • curly_princesscurly_princess Posts: 360Registered Users
    Cool, jax! Maybe you are my hair twin, which is really cool because I've never had one before. Now I'd love to see some pictures (hint hint)! :D

    I posted a while back a ton of tips I have picked up, mostly from NC.com. Here's the post, I hope it can help you. /home/leaving?target=http%3A%2F%2Fnaturallycurly2.com%2FphpBB%2Fviewtopic.php%3Ft%3D55533" class="Popup The whole thread is very helpful.
    3a/b, fine hair... with a mind of its own!
    PW- frenchfries

    Your hair, it's everywhere. Screaming infidelities, taking its wear.
  • jax23jax23 Posts: 20Registered Users
    PixieCurl wrote:
    jax23 wrote:
    Really? Could you help me out and recommend any products that you live by then? I have yet to find any products that I like and really need help in that area. Do you have an oily scalp? I do, so I'm not sure about the not shampooing everyday thing. I was thinking every other day and about getting the Devacurl Lo-poo I think it's called?

    i haven't found any products that really help make my underside curlier. my favorites are devacurl, biosilk rock hard gelee, and nexxus phyto organics redefining gel. maybe mention to your stylist your concern about the underneath layer and he/she can try to cut it to blend it better?

    i don't have an oily scalp, it's actually very dry. no poo for me!

    I just have to ask you your routine because I looked at your www pics and wow! You have almost my hair exactly! My hair has the same curl as yours but underneath is more wavy/straight. I'd like my hair to blend more together but I really would like to have your routine because your hair is beautiful!
    Hair Type: 3A/2C at crown with 2B/2A underneath. Trying to begin CG, have a lot to learn! Website pw: curls
  • jax23jax23 Posts: 20Registered Users
    Cool, jax! Maybe you are my hair twin, which is really cool because I've never had one before. Now I'd love to see some pictures (hint hint)! :D

    I posted a while back a ton of tips I have picked up, mostly from NC.com. Here's the post, I hope it can help you. /home/leaving?target=http%3A%2F%2Fnaturallycurly2.com%2FphpBB%2Fviewtopic.php%3Ft%3D55533" class="Popup The whole thread is very helpful.

    Actually I looked at your pics, and your hair has a tighter curl than mine. :) I don't have any pics of me with curly hair at all because I never wear it curly. That's why I'm here, I think my hair is just so damaged from me dying it and straightening it all the time and I'm tired of always taking forever just for my hair that I figured I'd let my natural curl just go. But, I don't use the right products right now and when I let my curls just do what they want, it's a frizz mess! :P I'll post pics though for sure once I start the CG routine and get in the groove of all this. :D
    Hair Type: 3A/2C at crown with 2B/2A underneath. Trying to begin CG, have a lot to learn! Website pw: curls
  • PixieCurlPixieCurl Posts: 5,656Registered Users
    jax23 wrote:
    I just have to ask you your routine because I looked at your www pics and wow! You have almost my hair exactly! My hair has the same curl as yours but underneath is more wavy/straight. I'd like my hair to blend more together but I really would like to have your routine because your hair is beautiful!

    thanks for the compliment! i just posted my routine on this thread yesterday :)
    Faith, 3Aish redhead
    Mama to two wild superheroes and a curly-headed baby boy :love5:
  • jax23jax23 Posts: 20Registered Users
    Ok, well, I went and bought the Jessicurl try-it-all trial size pack yesterday! Yay! I'm really excited! Not really sure how to use it. As of right now, I'm just in limbo. Not sure what to do. I'm nervous about not shampooing everyday, especially because right now, the gel I use isn't CG friendly. And, my biggest problem is adding volume and getting rid of frizz. Tried a honey rinse today, and my hair seemed to like that. Did an ACV rinse two days ago, and that made my hair frizzier than normal. Just giving an update and if any of you have any advice, it's much appreciated! :D
    Hair Type: 3A/2C at crown with 2B/2A underneath. Trying to begin CG, have a lot to learn! Website pw: curls
  • curlyhairdesicurlyhairdesi Posts: 8Registered Users
    jax,

    Just wanted to chime in my two cents. I have fine hair as well, and I no poo with Devacurl about once a week. On the other days I condition and I don't find that my hair is weighed down.

    I wouldn't recommend Angell for styling -- I find that it gives thin air absolutely no hold, which surprised me but it's true in my case.

    Good luck!
    Indian curly chick
    3a
    Trying to grow out my hair and loving this site!
  • jax23jax23 Posts: 20Registered Users
    jax,

    Just wanted to chime in my two cents. I have fine hair as well, and I no poo with Devacurl about once a week. On the other days I condition and I don't find that my hair is weighed down.

    I wouldn't recommend Angell for styling -- I find that it gives thin air absolutely no hold, which surprised me but it's true in my case.

    Good luck!

    Thanks for your advice! I have been thinking of trying [buylink=http://www.curlmart.com/DevaCurl-No-Poo-p-53.html?utm_source=naturallycurly.com&utm_medium=text-link&utm_content=curltalk-post-text&utm_campaign=devacurl-devacurl-nopoo]devacurl no poo[/buylink] or lowpoo and even angell. Right now, I just received jessicurl in the mail and am trying out her products. Still testing it out, just got it yesterday. I'll leave an update of how it's going soon. :) But as of day one, my hair is much softer, which makes me happy! :D
    Hair Type: 3A/2C at crown with 2B/2A underneath. Trying to begin CG, have a lot to learn! Website pw: curls
  • curly_princesscurly_princess Posts: 360Registered Users
    jax23 wrote:
    Cool, jax! Maybe you are my hair twin, which is really cool because I've never had one before. Now I'd love to see some pictures (hint hint)! :D

    I posted a while back a ton of tips I have picked up, mostly from NC.com. Here's the post, I hope it can help you. /home/leaving?target=http%3A%2F%2Fnaturallycurly2.com%2FphpBB%2Fviewtopic.php%3Ft%3D55533" class="Popup The whole thread is very helpful.

    Actually I looked at your pics, and your hair has a tighter curl than mine. :) I don't have any pics of me with curly hair at all because I never wear it curly. That's why I'm here, I think my hair is just so damaged from me dying it and straightening it all the time and I'm tired of always taking forever just for my hair that I figured I'd let my natural curl just go. But, I don't use the right products right now and when I let my curls just do what they want, it's a frizz mess! :P I'll post pics though for sure once I start the CG routine and get in the groove of all this. :D

    Oh sorry, I didn't catch this post before. I hope you learn lots about your hair here so it can be curly and beautiful and healthy, and then you can post pics!! Is it a deal?

    :D
    3a/b, fine hair... with a mind of its own!
    PW- frenchfries

    Your hair, it's everywhere. Screaming infidelities, taking its wear.
  • jax23jax23 Posts: 20Registered Users
    jax23 wrote:
    Cool, jax! Maybe you are my hair twin, which is really cool because I've never had one before. Now I'd love to see some pictures (hint hint)! :D

    I posted a while back a ton of tips I have picked up, mostly from NC.com. Here's the post, I hope it can help you. /home/leaving?target=http%3A%2F%2Fnaturallycurly2.com%2FphpBB%2Fviewtopic.php%3Ft%3D55533" class="Popup The whole thread is very helpful.

    Actually I looked at your pics, and your hair has a tighter curl than mine. :) I don't have any pics of me with curly hair at all because I never wear it curly. That's why I'm here, I think my hair is just so damaged from me dying it and straightening it all the time and I'm tired of always taking forever just for my hair that I figured I'd let my natural curl just go. But, I don't use the right products right now and when I let my curls just do what they want, it's a frizz mess! :P I'll post pics though for sure once I start the CG routine and get in the groove of all this. :D

    Oh sorry, I didn't catch this post before. I hope you learn lots about your hair here so it can be curly and beautiful and healthy, and then you can post pics!! Is it a deal?

    :D

    It's a deal! :P :D

    I've been trying out my jessicurl products the past two days and it really is making my hair much softer and adding more curl definition, which makes me really happy! But, I can't seem to get rid of the frizz still! I wrote jessi an email, so hopefully she gives me some tips! :)
    Hair Type: 3A/2C at crown with 2B/2A underneath. Trying to begin CG, have a lot to learn! Website pw: curls
  • curly_princesscurly_princess Posts: 360Registered Users
    jax23 wrote:
    It's a deal! :P :D

    I've been trying out my jessicurl products the past two days and it really is making my hair much softer and adding more curl definition, which makes me really happy! But, I can't seem to get rid of the frizz still! I wrote jessi an email, so hopefully she gives me some tips! :)

    Cool!

    It's good to hear jessicurl is working for you. What all are you using and how are you using it? I've never tried jessicurl but I find that I need a gel with LOTS of hold or else I get frizz. I've been using Biosilk Rock Hard Gelee and I love it! I ran out though and have been using a drugstore gel (Aussie) and I have lots of frizz.

    I also find I can cut down frizz by my application. While my hair is still really wet, I rub a little gel on my hands and then smooth it over my top layer of hair. I don't actually finger comb my hair or anything; I just slide my hands over my hair with the gel. This really helps with halo frizz. Then I flip my head upside and apply more gel to all of my hair.

    Good luck, and I hope your hair continues to improve!! :D
    3a/b, fine hair... with a mind of its own!
    PW- frenchfries

    Your hair, it's everywhere. Screaming infidelities, taking its wear.
  • jax23jax23 Posts: 20Registered Users
    jax23 wrote:
    It's a deal! :P :D



    It's good to hear jessicurl is working for you. What all are you using and how are you using it? I've never tried jessicurl but I find that I need a gel with LOTS of hold or else I get frizz. I've been using Biosilk Rock Hard Gelee and I love it! I ran out though and have been using a drugstore gel (Aussie) and I have lots of frizz.

    :D

    Well, I've been sampling all of her products. I've been using RR and CC combo, 3 puddles of RR and a dime size amount of CC. Maybe I should also put the CC on my crown like you mentioned. I haven't heard from Jessi yet... so I'm just experimenting everyday :) I used her DT yesterday, and my hair really liked that. It is really soft.
    Hair Type: 3A/2C at crown with 2B/2A underneath. Trying to begin CG, have a lot to learn! Website pw: curls
  • jax23jax23 Posts: 20Registered Users
    Guess what?! My hair wasn't frizzy today!!! :D Yay!!! :lol:

    Not sure if it was the DT or that I used more [buylink=http://www.curlmart.com/Jessicurl-Gelebration-Spray-p-101.html?utm_source=naturallycurly.com&utm_medium=text-link&utm_content=curltalk-post-text&utm_campaign=jessicurl-gelebration-spray]gelebration[/buylink] than RR today. I also put the CC on top of my head, on the crown, like you mentioned :D That worked well and I blew dry using the pixiecurl method, which worked really well. I used only 1 puddle of RR and a dime size amount of CC and 2x of [buylink=http://www.curlmart.com/Jessicurl-Gelebration-Spray-p-101.html?utm_source=naturallycurly.com&utm_medium=text-link&utm_content=curltalk-post-text&utm_campaign=jessicurl-gelebration-spray]Gelebration[/buylink] all over head. I also left more CO in this time. I think my hair really likes moisture, so I'm going to try and remember to do a honey rinse tomorrow. So happy! I hope this routine works consistently! :) Now I just need a good haircut to go with it! :P
    Hair Type: 3A/2C at crown with 2B/2A underneath. Trying to begin CG, have a lot to learn! Website pw: curls