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OB handing out formula samples -WWYD?

geekygeeky Posts: 4,995Registered Users
I see a practice that has a couple of forward-thinking OBs and a couple of midwives. The hospital they deliver at is also relatively pro NCB. They routinely don't separate moms and babies at all and I've heard from the local LLL leader what great breastfeeding support they offer.

So I was pretty put off when the nurse handed me one of those stupid formula gift bags, without any sort of discussion about how I plan to feed my baby. I took the formula bottle out and gave it back and said I did not need it (I took the baggie because it was a nice toiletry bag and I am a whore. I just cut off all the Similac labels).

Now I am thinking I should write a letter telling them that I was disappointed, and that a FTM mom who is undecided would likely interpret that as their endorsement of formula over breastmilk, and surely they would not want to do that.

Would you do it? What would you say? Who do I address it to? The senior OB (that I never met)? The OB I did meet?
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  • iris427iris427 Posts: 6,002Registered Users
    I think a letter is a great idea. Maybe send two copies--one to your OB and one to the senior OB.
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  • KaiaKaia Posts: 8,815Registered Users
    I personally wouldn't do anything because I don't think it's a big deal. I got some formula samples (not from the OB) and kept them just in case. I figured if we have some kind of emergency where I can't breastfeed, the last thing we'll want to be doing is running out to the store for some formula.

    Since you are offended by this, i think the letter is a good idea. I would address it to the head of the practice and maybe one to the hospital they're associated with since that's probably where they get the gift bags.
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  • medussamedussa Posts: 12,993Registered Users
    Send the letter. It didn't bother me (I love freebies even if I have no plans to use them) but I can see your point of it being viewed as an endorsement over breastfeeding. If anything, they should be talking to all their patients about the benefits of breastfeeding. They can still give out the bags, but at least provide a disclaimer.
  • geekygeeky Posts: 4,995Registered Users
    It's not a big deal to me personally. My mind is made up anyway, and I am not likely to take nutritional/bf advice from a doctor (because I know how little they know). It bugs me because a FTM who did not do much research and who takes a doc's word more seriously will react differently.
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  • iris427iris427 Posts: 6,002Registered Users
    geeky wrote: »
    It's not a big deal to me personally. My mind is made up anyway, and I am not likely to take nutritional/bf advice from a doctor (because I know how little they know). It bugs me because a FTM who did not do much research and who takes a doc's word more seriously will react differently.

    I agree. I don't like the message it sends. I really believe that subtle things like this contribute to our society's low breastfeeding rate. It is reinforcing the idea that formula feeding is easier and just as healthy.

    The nurse at least could have spoken to you about the benefits of breastfeeding and asked you about any thoughts, fears and reservations you had about it before giving you the formula. For a woman who is on the fence and maybe has some misinformation or fears about breastfeeding, just giving her formula at the doctor's office can to a lot to persuade her not to breastfeed before she's ever even tried it. JMO.
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  • nynaeve77nynaeve77 Posts: 7,135Registered Users
    I didn't mind getting the freebies, but I never gave my daughter formula. I knew I was going to BF unless something didn't work biologically. I dunno, I don't know any of my friends who didn't breastfeed. We must all be a bunch of hippies! LOL
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  • inheritedcurlsinheritedcurls Posts: 2,954Registered Users
    I didn't mind the freebies. I actually gave away the formula to the mom's in the daycare that used it. Saved them some money...I used the other freebies (coupons etc). My hospital was so pro breastfeeding it was great. We had a lacation consultant come in every day to work with you. My milk came in the last day I was there....I was so glad that happened. They helped me out tremendously.

    They did frown on my paci use but Chas never got confused which nipple had the real stuff. :D
  • webjockeywebjockey Posts: 2,786Registered Users
    I would write something or say something. I think they should provide balanced nutrition information for families. That should include equal (if not more) support materials for breastfeeding as there is for formula.
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  • marielle448marielle448 Posts: 1,823Registered Users
    I wouldn't be happy about it either and I'd definitely write the sr. ob and CC your ob.

    It wouldn't be so annoying if you actually received information, heck even a free copy of a nursing book (I received WTEWYE blegh) from your OB. If the nurse sat with you several visits in the third trimester to prepare you for what is the logical phisiological next step in your pregnancy. Does any of this happen? Do OBs educate their patients on breastfeeding beyond "breast is best"? Do they offer LCs in house? No.

    Most people don't see an LC until they're struggling in the hospital. Some people take breastfeeding classes but IMO they are useless. You're better off going to several LLL meetings where you'll see various nursing pairs as well as get BTDT advice from different moms. You'll get reliable (unmarred by formula money) advice from LLL leaders and have access to a large library (for free) of nursing and parenting books that you're not likely to find at your local bookstore or even library.
  • iris427iris427 Posts: 6,002Registered Users
    You're better off going to several LLL meetings where you'll see various nursing pairs as well as get BTDT advice from different moms. You'll get reliable (unmarred by formula money) advice from LLL leaders and have access to a large library (for free) of nursing and parenting books that you're not likely to find at your local bookstore or even library.

    That is what I am doing. LLL has this "nipple Nazi" reputation, but from my experience most of the leaders and members are really great and genuinely want to help other moms.
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  • Brown_Eyed_GirlBrown_Eyed_Girl Posts: 1,353Registered Users
    iris427 wrote: »
    You're better off going to several LLL meetings where you'll see various nursing pairs as well as get BTDT advice from different moms. You'll get reliable (unmarred by formula money) advice from LLL leaders and have access to a large library (for free) of nursing and parenting books that you're not likely to find at your local bookstore or even library.

    That is what I am doing. LLL has this "nipple Nazi" reputation, but from my experience most of the leaders and members are really great and genuinely want to help other moms.

    Guano: Have you started going yet? I'm on the local LLL's online group, but I haven't gone to a meeting yet...I wasn't sure when I should start going.

    The "nipple Nazi" reputation doesn't bother me at all. I grew up going to LLL meetings with my mom.
  • Brown_Eyed_GirlBrown_Eyed_Girl Posts: 1,353Registered Users
    Geeky, considering that the practice you go to is pretty forward-thinking, I would probably write a letter too, telling them the impression you think this gives to some first-time moms. Like some of the others have said, it seems to me that a better approach would be for the nurse to talk to the patient about how they plan to feed the baby, concerns, etc. If the patient does plan to use formula, give the samples to those patients.
  • AmnerisAmneris Posts: 15,117Registered Users
    Mine did that, and I was TICKED. I gave it back, and I did write a letter to my O/B and to the head of the practice. I recommend doing that for the reasons given in this thread.
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  • iris427iris427 Posts: 6,002Registered Users
    iris427 wrote: »
    You're better off going to several LLL meetings where you'll see various nursing pairs as well as get BTDT advice from different moms. You'll get reliable (unmarred by formula money) advice from LLL leaders and have access to a large library (for free) of nursing and parenting books that you're not likely to find at your local bookstore or even library.

    That is what I am doing. LLL has this "nipple Nazi" reputation, but from my experience most of the leaders and members are really great and genuinely want to help other moms.

    Guano: Have you started going yet? I'm on the local LLL's online group, but I haven't gone to a meeting yet...I wasn't sure when I should start going.

    The "nipple Nazi" reputation doesn't bother me at all. I grew up going to LLL meetings with my mom.

    I have already gone to one meeting, mainly because I wanted to get practitioner recommendations and because I wanted to check out their library. And I guess I will have to again next month to return the books we checked out :)

    Otherwise I might have held off. But they did not think it was weird that I was there so early. I think you should start going whenever you want. And you don't have to go every month of course. I also wanted to find a chapter I liked now, so that I would have that in case I go into labor earlier than expected or whatever.

    The nipple Nazi reputation bothers me, only because I think it deters some women from going to to LLL, and they are such a great resource.
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  • curly_keltiecurly_keltie Posts: 791Registered Users
    Any formula I received, was donated to a local food bank once DS was on homo milk. I kept a small stock JIC something happened to me. I figure a food bank recipient might as well benefit rather than just giving it back to the company.
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  • subbrocksubbrock Posts: 8,212Registered Users
    for me, it wasnt that serious. every woman knows/has heard that "breast is best." and if a simple free sample changes their mind, then breastfeeding wasnt for them anyway. i think a simple, "no thank you" would suffice.

    near the end of my pregnancy, my one of the nurses at my OB had asked me if i had planned to breastfeed and when i told her yes, she gave me one of those sample packs, "just in case." then once baby was born, my body still hadnt produced anything. no colostrum no milk no nothing. so i gave her formula. once my milk came in, we still had problems latching on so i still supplemented with formula. those free sample packs came in handy! of course, majerle and i both got the hang of breastfeeding and the one can of formula i actually did have to buy "just in case" is still sitting on top of the refrigerator just as full as it was the day we bought it.
  • iris427iris427 Posts: 6,002Registered Users
    subbrock wrote: »
    for me, it wasnt that serious. every woman knows/has heard that "breast is best." and if a simple free sample changes their mind, then breastfeeding wasnt for them anyway. i think a simple, "no thank you" would suffice.

    I don't agree. A doctor giving you something is, in most people's eyes, tantamount to his saying "this is what I think is the healthiest option for you." I've heard many people mistakenly say formula is just as good, or that the benefits of breastfeeding must be exaggerated because "I was formula fed and I turned out fine." So not everyone really understands that breast milk is best and the many reasons why. And in that case, a formula sample, especially from their doctor, might really just reinforce misconceptions.
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  • Brown_Eyed_GirlBrown_Eyed_Girl Posts: 1,353Registered Users
    iris427 wrote: »
    iris427 wrote: »

    That is what I am doing. LLL has this "nipple Nazi" reputation, but from my experience most of the leaders and members are really great and genuinely want to help other moms.

    Guano: Have you started going yet? I'm on the local LLL's online group, but I haven't gone to a meeting yet...I wasn't sure when I should start going.

    The "nipple Nazi" reputation doesn't bother me at all. I grew up going to LLL meetings with my mom.

    I have already gone to one meeting, mainly because I wanted to get practitioner recommendations and because I wanted to check out their library. And I guess I will have to again next month to return the books we checked out :)

    Otherwise I might have held off. But they did not think it was weird that I was there so early. I think you should start going whenever you want. And you don't have to go every month of course. I also wanted to find a chapter I liked now, so that I would have that in case I go into labor earlier than expected or whatever.

    Cool, maybe I'll start going soon. The library is definitely calling to me...
    iris427 wrote: »
    The nipple Nazi reputation bothers me, only because I think it deters some women from going to to LLL, and they are such a great resource.

    This is definitely true. I meant the reputation doesn't deter me personally, but I think it's a shame people have that perception of them.
  • mad scientistmad scientist Posts: 3,530Registered Users
    I would write a letter.

    I've never had this experience, though. In all the doctor's offices and mat wards I've dealt with, you get a freebie bag with coupons that you can send in for free formula samples. But there were no actual samples in the bag.

    I think that's by law here and in Cali?
  • subbrocksubbrock Posts: 8,212Registered Users
    I don't agree. A doctor giving you something is, in most people's eyes, tantamount to his saying "this is what I think is the healthiest option for you." I've heard many people mistakenly say formula is just as good, or that the benefits of breastfeeding must be exaggerated because "I was formula fed and I turned out fine." So not everyone really understands that breast milk is best and the many reasons why. And in that case, a formula sample, especially from their doctor, might really just reinforce misconceptions.

    thats exactly my point. if you let your dr choose whether or not you breastfeed then you deserve (for lack of a better word) to formula feed your baby. many many many people have been formula fed and indeed, turned out just fine. breastfeeding is a choice and regardless of how i feel about it i think people should be able to readily recieve samples of products, even if i choose not to use them. if a woman was offered a sample, she declined it, and somehow a nurse or dr made her take the sample then i think there needs to be a letter written. i like to think about the other side when making my decisions. of course we all feel the same way because we chose to breastfeed, but what if you knew from the start that you didnt want to breastfeed or that you simply couldnt. then that sample from would be greatly appreciated.
  • geekygeeky Posts: 4,995Registered Users
    I have no problem with giving formula to people who intend to use it. It's the fact that there was no discussion and no alternatives.
    And I emphatically disagree that if you take nutrition advice from your doctor then you deserve to formula feed. Every woman deserves to have the correct information to base her decisions on.
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  • Brown_Eyed_GirlBrown_Eyed_Girl Posts: 1,353Registered Users
    geeky wrote: »
    I have no problem with giving formula to people who intend to use it. It's the fact that there was no discussion and no alternatives.
    And I emphatically disagree that if you take nutrition advice from your doctor then you deserve to formula feed. Every woman deserves to have the correct information to base her decisions on.

    ITA. Even if those of us who do more reading and research know that the doctor isn't always the best source of information on breastfeeding, etc., it doesn't mean that's the way it should be. People speaking up is one way things can change for the better.
  • AmnerisAmneris Posts: 15,117Registered Users
    subbrock wrote: »
    I don't agree. A doctor giving you something is, in most people's eyes, tantamount to his saying "this is what I think is the healthiest option for you." I've heard many people mistakenly say formula is just as good, or that the benefits of breastfeeding must be exaggerated because "I was formula fed and I turned out fine." So not everyone really understands that breast milk is best and the many reasons why. And in that case, a formula sample, especially from their doctor, might really just reinforce misconceptions.

    thats exactly my point. if you let your dr choose whether or not you breastfeed then you deserve (for lack of a better word) to formula feed your baby. many many many people have been formula fed and indeed, turned out just fine. breastfeeding is a choice and regardless of how i feel about it i think people should be able to readily recieve samples of products, even if i choose not to use them. if a woman was offered a sample, she declined it, and somehow a nurse or dr made her take the sample then i think there needs to be a letter written. i like to think about the other side when making my decisions. of course we all feel the same way because we chose to breastfeed, but what if you knew from the start that you didnt want to breastfeed or that you simply couldnt. then that sample from would be greatly appreciated.

    It's not so much about the woman deserving it... it's what the baby deserves, and unfortunately the baby has no say in what it is fed.

    I think that this practice (formula samples OR coupons) is one of many things that undermines breast feeding and contributes to the abysmally low rates of BF and to perceptions that promoting BF is being a "nipple nazi" or that formula is "just as good". I think doctors should be talking about breast feeding way more with their patients. If someone says they don't want to do it before they even try, it would be nice for the doctor to explore their reasons with them and see if they can get them support to do otherwise. If someone feels they are likely to have problems, it would be good to line up solutions before the baby even comes.

    I too gave birth in a very family friendly hospital with mandatory rooming-in, nurses who were basically lactation consultants, free nipple cream etc. and when I got home I had several visits from the public health nurse who helped me with BF and told me about a BF hotline and support group, which I attend. But not everyone has access to those things... and they should, instead of having access to free formula.
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  • RedCatWavesRedCatWaves Posts: 31,258Registered Users
    I avoided the whole OB-formula-kickback-scam by using homebirth midwives for the second 2 babies. No formula bate and switch.

    To the OP, yes, I think you should write a letter. It's underhanded for the OB office to continue to offer those formula freebies when they KNOW it undermines BFing. Proven fact. There's no maybe's about it. The World Health Organization condemns the practice. The freebies are intended to get the mother "hooked", to use the formula when she's having trouble BFing early on, and then once the BFing relationship is destroyed, you get no further coupons or freebies...it's full-price. Formula companies give those freebies out all over the developing world too...it's just wrong.
  • spiderlashes5000spiderlashes5000 Posts: 17,495Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    This particular situation doesn't bother me because I have no problem with formula.

    But I do resent how the big pharm companies have doctors in their back pockets and how doctors offices are paid to push their crap on unsuspecting patients.

    I can see the parallel between the meds and the formula, I guess.

    I would have addressed it in person, though. The letter seems like you're considering filing a class action lawsuit against them or something equally drastic. Why not just a friendly one-on-one?

  • shellibeanshellibean Posts: 4,500Registered Users
    I think a letter is a bit much. If someone gave you a shirt in a size too bigm would you get mad at them for thinking you were bigger than you are? I would think of it as a JIC thign also. like, just in case something happened (God forbid), your baby woudln't go hungry. I mean, it's not like they signed you up for a case of the stuff- it's just a small sample! I thought it was thoughtful even though I was breastfeeding at the time. My gift bag came with a sample of formula, lotion, diaper rash cream, mittons and a Little Golden Book. It's not like the hospital is selling the formula and trying to sell it to you. They benefit nothing from whichever you choose to feed your baby. It was just a free sample. Maybe they should ask if you WOULD LIKE a free sample from now on so as not to offend some people???
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  • spiderlashes5000spiderlashes5000 Posts: 17,495Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    shelli wrote: »
    I think a letter is a bit much. If someone gave you a shirt in a size too bigm would you get mad at them for thinking you were bigger than you are? I would think of it as a JIC thign also. like, just in case something happened (God forbid), your baby woudln't go hungry. I mean, it's not like they signed you up for a case of the stuff- it's just a small sample! I thought it was thoughtful even though I was breastfeeding at the time. My gift bag came with a sample of formula, lotion, diaper rash cream, mittons and a Little Golden Book. It's not like the hospital is selling the formula and trying to sell it to you. They benefit nothing from whichever you choose to feed your baby. It was just a free sample. Maybe they should ask if you WOULD LIKE a free sample from now on so as not to offend some people???

    Lots of doctors are guilty of accepting kickbacks from the pharmaceutical companies to push certain drugs and products on the patient. That's where the "free samples" come from...pharm sales reps whose jobs is it to entice doctors to prescribe the stuff en masse.

    And, less obviously, it was pretty standard for for-profit entities to sponsor and present information given to physicians at professional conferences. Now (as of just very recently), everyone who presents at medical seminars, etc., has to sign a release, naming their employer and who is paying them to present and who has provided the information they're presenting.

  • geekygeeky Posts: 4,995Registered Users
    I am thinking letter just because when I speak about things that I am passionate about in person I tend to get a bit too excited. Getting things down in writing helps me keep my cool and not sound like a nut or someone on the verge of a class action lawsuit.

    If you think freebies are no big deal, check out /home/leaving?target=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.nofreelunch.org%2F" class="Popup and /home/leaving?target=http%3A%2F%2Fbanthebags.org%2F" class="Popup. Make no mistake, the companies that make the formula are big businesses with a very powerful lobby in Washington. They are not handing out formula samples and coupons out of the goodness of their hearts. All their ads may say "breastmilk is best..." (and I think they may be required to say it by law) but it would help their bottom line (and make them very happy) if every woman in the world either chose not to breastfeed or failed at it, and had to buy their products.

    Formula is manufactured by pharmaceutical companies, and like Spiderlashes said, docs and hospitals do benefit from handing out free samples. They get plenty of kickbacks, not necessarily cash, but conference sponsorships, 'educational literature', conference sponsorships, free lunches, etc.
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  • marielle448marielle448 Posts: 1,823Registered Users
    ita with geeky and spiderlashes - not only are the doctors benefitting from the formula pushing but the formula companies publish booklets included with the bags that are filled with "breastfeeding tips". I was horrified when I read the one included in mine.

    It had outright lies in there about feeding timed feedngs, okaying skipping feedings to give formula bottles (when mom should be pumping any time baby is eating a bottle), and other gems that would assure a mom would not succeed at breastfeeding long enough to establish a supply. Thus ensuring a customer for the formula company.


    I always here the "but the samples are good, don't stop that" but believe me, I was getting cases of formula sent to my HOME and I didn't sign up for it. I'm pretty sure that motherhood and some other sites sold my name. If you want formula samples then they will find you believe me.

    I do give the advice to first time nursing moms, do not keep the formula in the house. It makes it less likely that you'll be tempted to feed a bottle out of frustration. If there truly is a feeding emergency Walmarts are open 24/7 as are walgreens and you'll make the decision much more likely to be based on emergency rather than just nursing frustration. If you have the can in the house, you'll use it. Once you put anything but breastmilk in a baby the intestinal flora is changed (baby's intestines still have fissures at birth that are healed by breastmilk) so make sure that decision is one not taken lightly.

    Like I said earlier, go to LLL meetings, keep the number of a LLL leader handy, a good lactation consultant and plan a followup LC visit for after you get home. Don't just think, "I'll try it" when it comes to breastfeeding.
  • velvet pawsvelvet paws Posts: 1,250Registered Users
    After my c-section, my milk didn't come in for 6 days. Although I had made up my mind to breastfeed Lucas, I ended up being pretty thankful that I had those formula samples on hand so Lucas didn't go hungry while I waited for my milk to come in.

    However, my bag was from Similac and basically contained NOTHING designed to support breastfeeding. I got lots of premade formula samples, a big can, a bunch of nipples that fit on the premade formula bottles and coupons for more formula and other random things. I can see how the bags are really a not-so-subtle endorsement of formula feeding.

    I delivered at the hospital considered to be the most family friendly in Manhattan - and while the L&D area was wonderful, the post partum floor was an entirely different experience. They had no real lactation consultants, only poorly trained nurses who made me cry by telling me I was starving my baby, and that if my milk hadn't come in by then (the day after my surgery), it probably wasn't going to and that I should give up on breastfeeding. I was so stressed out and anxious, I'm sure this had something to do with how long it took my milk to come in - I've never cried so much in my life. They actively tried to undermine breastfeeding for me and I'm so glad I stuck with it. I've gotten so much more support from my son's pediatrician than those evil witches who were supposed to be "lactation consultants." Unfortunately, I think it goes a lot deeper than the bags.
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