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perm to natural .. w out big chop??

the bunnithe bunni Posts: 2Registered Users
hey everybody,
Well i currently have permed hair and I really want to grow it out and leave my hair natural. I have 3b hair which basically falls to my shoulders. I really don't want to cut off all my hair to do this transition thing. I've heard that i can grow it out but won't that make my hair fall out? Because i REALLY don't want that lol.

If you could help me that would be grrrreat =)
thanks :blob7:
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  • mariag002mariag002 Posts: 3,557Registered Users
    the bunni wrote: »
    hey everybody,
    Well i currently have permed hair and I really want to grow it out and leave my hair natural. I have 3b hair which basically falls to my shoulders. I really don't want to cut off all my hair to do this transition thing. I've heard that i can grow it out but won't that make my hair fall out? Because i REALLY don't want that lol.

    If you could help me that would be grrrreat =)
    thanks :blob7:

    Yes you can definitely grow out your hair without doing a big chop. I had every intention of doing just that last year, but I grew impatience and the 2 textures got on my nerves. If I were you I'd get it trimmed at least every 3 months. That's what my sister did to my niece and its been about 17 months for her and she probably has 2 inches of relaxed hair left and her natural hair is below shoulder length.
    - Maria

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    Relaxer free for almost 5 years!

  • Flower princessFlower princess Posts: 608Registered Users
    The only way you can do it since you don't want to cut it..Is to let your hair grow naturally (by not relaxing the new growth anymore) till you reach the length you want then cut the remaining relaxed hair. In this process you can trim your relaxed hair slowly by slowly or cut it all at once when you reach the appropriate length .Your hair will not fall out at least mine hasn't fall out till now:) Just do deep treatments,moisturize your hair and generally take good care of it in this period.You may need to comb your hair lesser since the point the relaxed and the natural hair meets is very fragile.Hope this help.Good luck to you!
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  • missmoniemissmonie Posts: 920Registered Users
    I agree....you can definitely grow your hair out without doing a BC. I transitioned for 17 months before cutting the relaxer. However, I wouldn't recommend that you do what I did...which was flat iron my hair every 1-2 weeks smooth the new growth. It made my transition process easier...but I think I ended up suffering from heat damage (sections of my hair aren't very curly). I agree with what the other ladies posted....do deep treatments, moisturize, and try twist sets and other styles to match the two textures. Good luck with your transition!
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  • NatrlchallengeNatrlchallenge Posts: 37Registered Users
    I'm doing that now. I'm 1 month post relaxer and I'm going to attempt a transition without the BC.:wink: I am going to be a WNG queen when the weather gets warmer.
    I need to learn how to care for my hair now! please help! I think I'm a 3c/4a mix. just BCD 4/8/08. I'm looking for ways to take care of my natural hair.
  • E.B.E.B. Posts: 158Registered Users
    Yes, you can transition without the big chop. I'm doing that now. I've seen fotki albums of others who are doing that.

    I agree with the others about doing deep treatments and moisturizing.

    It should help if you detangle in the shower under running water with conditioner in your hair, if you don't already do that. I plan to do twistouts and braidouts during my transition. Maybe I'll occasionally flat iron.
  • WhitRayeRobWhitRayeRob Posts: 16Registered Users
    I plan on transitioning without a REALLY short BC. I assume I'll cut off all the relaxer after about 12 more months of Transitioning. I decided I need to stop being afraid of what it will look like in 6 months or a year...etc. I just need to take my hair day by day and when I need to do the BC I will. :)

    I'm learning a lot from this website, and it's teaching me to be okay with myself no matter what. I'm not sure if this even applies to this thread but whatever :)!
  • LeeLee182LeeLee182 Posts: 784Registered Users
    IA with the other ladies, it is definitely possible you just have to take the steps to keep it healthy. I transitioned for about 19 months..i think i only used heat once in the beginning and that was when i had no intention of even going natural.

    I pretty much have my hair journey completely logged in my fotki, once i had a certain amount of natural hair i started wearing more wash n' go...it was fun for the most part.

    Good luck with your transition.
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  • Mo_Gemini22Mo_Gemini22 Posts: 485Registered Users
    I have been transitioning since July 07. My last relaxed style was a Rianna/Victoria Beckam type bob. I'm scared to chop off mine too! I have had kinky twists for about 3 months. I took them out in December. My hair grew alot. Right now I am wearing a 3B wig and I have my hair in about braids underneath. I may get braids or twists again. Like everyone says CONDITION and MOISTURIZE!!!

    Everyone is very helpful with product suggestions too! :)
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  • cclark1cclark1 Posts: 346Registered Users
    I, too, am not planning on bcing. I'm so glad that I have company. Honestly, I'm really learning how to take good care of the new growth. I come here and ask questions and you girls are always gracious and knowledgeable, no matter what I ask.
    Dare to be......remarkable!!!
  • ShauniceLShauniceL Posts: 5Registered Users
    I, too, have not done the BC and don't plan to. I've been transitioning since April 07 and my hair is not falling out. Someone suggested I use Aphogee treatments and sit under the hairdryer to avoid the breakage where the two textures meet, I did and I must say that it has tremendously reduced the breakage.
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  • Curly DeeCurly Dee Posts: 22Registered Users
    I transitioned for 12 months before cutting off a great deal of my relaxed ends. (I trimmed the last of the ends off 6 months after the initial cut.) I blended the two textures by roller-setting my hair 1-2 times per week and wrapping my hair nightly and securing with a silk scarf. I think this method helped me to retain the health of my hair without having to apply too much heat. I didn't experience any breakage.

    You have a lot of options for a long transition. Good luck!
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  • jenniferohjennyjenniferohjenny Posts: 29Registered Users
    I'm pretty much ITA w/ the other ladies. My 1st transition was about 14 months until I cut the last relaxed ends off and my natural hair was shoulder length.

    One of the ladies mentioned heat damage from flat ironing, and I think I may have had that too last time, so this time my 2nd transition is 100% heat-less. I air dry naturally or plop w/ an old T-shirt then twist or cornrow. I will not trim my ends for 6 months. I began my 2nd transition in November 2007 and things are going well.

    Also, sulfate free poos, or CO wash only are also good for transitioning. Ditto the other ladies, LOTS of moisture.

    Good luck and ENJOY your transition - this is the time to experiment with all kinds of styles, products and tools.
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  • CurlydollCurlydoll Posts: 19Registered Users
    I'm doing that now. I'm 8-9 months post relaxer, and I haven't done a BC yet. I may do one when I reach the one year mark, but so far, I'm trying to keep it.

    I've been doing trims, and just did a 3-4 inch cut. I will probably do another cut like that in June/July. I went from BSL to APL in back and shoulder/collarbone in front.

    I know it's possible to avoid a BC, but I think the pattern of your hair will set better once you are fully natural.
  • LaBelleCheleLaBelleChele Posts: 53Registered Users
    I'm currently transitioning without the BC. I've been doing deep conditioning treatment and doing low manipulation styles. I find that the less that I do with my hair, the more it grows. The more it grows, the more I can cut the relaxed parts off. I colored my hair in Jan '07(one month after my last relaxer) and I've been using the colored parts as my "demarcation" line.
  • GoddessCurlsGoddessCurls Posts: 1,537Registered Users
    I transitioned without BC. I just couldn't have really short hair. Length has always been really important to me. I just started wearing my hair curly and following techniques in the curlygirl book or from this site. You couldn't even really tell where the two textures met. Just be really careful with your hair, treat it like old lace and pay attention to the ingredients in your hair products. I eventually cut the rest off but by then the cut only took it too above my shoulders around my neck.
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  • avoureneavourene Posts: 1Registered Users
    I decided yesterday to stop with the perms. I'm done and I'm so excited. I'm thinking about getting micros. I have to boys under the age of three so I don't have time for anything. I think braids will give my hair a break and ease me through the transition period. Even though I permed my hair i would still wear it culy once and a while by experimenting with different gels and leave-in products. I am just hoping I can achieve the same look with my natural hair. It has been so long. I was a little girl and the choice wasn't mine. I would never do that to a child. I am ready to make the transition. So sick of thin brittle hair. I want my natural hair back. I am old enough to handle the backlash and have the means to get the products to help me along the way. Any advice?
  • KurleeEdnaKurleeEdna Posts: 714Registered Users
    Welcome, avourene, and congratulations on your decision to "end the madness".

    I stopped relaxing a year ago and have only had a few short trims. Although the two textures do frustrate me at times, I find that regular deep conditioning and moisturizing treatments have helped.

    If you can afford it, you may want to try products with no sulfates and low (or no) silicones and stick to more natural ingredients like butters and oils. (Olive oil and avocado butters seem to work best in my mostly 3C hair.) You may have to experiment to see what works best for you.

    I decided I wasn't going to spend money on expensive products until I get all the relaxer cut off (maybe in January/February 2009), but that's just me.

    Let us know how things go with you. :toothy5:

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  • rockthecurlzrockthecurlz Posts: 910Registered Users
    LaBelleChele, I'm doing the same thing! I colored my hair one month after and now that is what I'm going by. Transitioning now for 9mo. :)
  • MaricopaMaricopa Posts: 4Registered Users
    Does anyone know the proper way to do a big chop. I've seen on videos/youtube of big chops being done on freshly wash and conditioned hair. While other video were done on dry hair does it matter wet or dry???? I am considering doing my big chop soon, I am 7 months into transitioning from relax to natural.:glasses7:
  • kurlegurlkurlegurl Posts: 17Registered Users
    I'm currently in transition, and like you I don't want to cut my hair. I have done that before and found that it is much easier, but without doing a BC I'm learning how to care for my hair in its most fragile state. I'm 5 months post relaxer, and just cut a little more than an inch off of my ends. My hair was past my shoulder and now falls in a bob that sits on my shoulders. The fun part is trying different products and styles in order to find ways of keeping your hair in a semi-natural state without having to straighten it. I try to only apply heat once a month. Keep it up, its all going to be worth it in the end!
  • GorgeousCurlyMeGorgeousCurlyMe Posts: 28Registered Users
    Hi!!! I'm 7 months post relaxer and I'm really excited about the transition. This is my first time and I get to experiment with different products..what products do you use on your hair?? && How do you wear it?
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  • aprilj90aprilj90 Posts: 17Registered Users
    Maricopa wrote: »
    Does anyone know the proper way to do a big chop. I've seen on videos/youtube of big chops being done on freshly wash and conditioned hair. While other video were done on dry hair does it matter wet or dry???? I am considering doing my big chop soon, I am 7 months into transitioning from relax to natural.:glasses7:


    Are you transitioning in AZ? I live in Maricopa but go to school out in Louisiana but this summer I'll be back. What products work for your hair out there?

    Sorry I don't have an answer to your question lol I saw Maricopa and got all excited :p
  • Lyd98102Lyd98102 Posts: 2Registered Users
    Hi,

    I’m transitioning as well and not doing the big chop. I live in the Seattle area so there’s a lot of water and humidity. As soon as there’s a bit of water or humidity my hair starts to curl up. Can you recommend any products that help with flyaways???

    ~LS
  • VaBrittVaBritt Posts: 3Registered Users
    I'm new to the forum. I too am transitioning without the BC. I have bra strap length hair. I have not had a relaxer in about 5 months and my new growth is manageable. Right now I am doing braid outs.

    I just wonder....what do you do with the new growth once it starts getting out of hand. Can you flat iron it? I am thinking I want to get a blowout and trim once a month. And wear a braid out in between.
    Will this work?
  • Flower princessFlower princess Posts: 608Registered Users
    VaBritt wrote: »
    I'm new to the forum. I too am transitioning without the BC. I have bra strap length hair. I have not had a relaxer in about 5 months and my new growth is manageable. Right now I am doing braid outs.

    I just wonder....what do you do with the new growth once it starts getting out of hand. Can you flat iron it? I am thinking I want to get a blowout and trim once a month. And wear a braid out in between.
    Will this work?

    It will work if you make sure that you don't use high heat.If your talking about a Dominican blowout then the heat might be too much for your hair and migh cause breakage at the demarcation line.But a balanced deep conditioning with protein/moisture prior to it and a good heat protectant might help a bit.You can also try cornrows and braids with your own hair.
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  • Flower princessFlower princess Posts: 608Registered Users
    Lyd98102 wrote: »
    Hi,

    I’m transitioning as well and not doing the big chop. I live in the Seattle area so there’s a lot of water and humidity. As soon as there’s a bit of water or humidity my hair starts to curl up. Can you recommend any products that help with flyaways???

    ~LS
    Maybe you can try using a pomade (like Mimosa Hair Honey by carols daughter you can find the at sephora) and the scarf method.
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  • VaBrittVaBritt Posts: 3Registered Users
    It will work if you make sure that you don't use high heat.If your talking about a Dominican blowout then the heat might be too much for your hair and migh cause breakage at the demarcation line.But a balanced deep conditioning with protein/moisture prior to it and a good heat protectant might help a bit.You can also try cornrows and braids with your own hair.[/QUOTE]

    So do you recommend I just go to someone who knows how to deal with natural hair? Or someone who is used to doing relaxers since my hair is relaxed. I have never had a blowout before.
  • Flower princessFlower princess Posts: 608Registered Users
    VaBritt wrote: »
    So do you recommend I just go to someone who knows how to deal with natural hair? Or someone who is used to doing relaxers since my hair is relaxed. I have never had a blowout before.

    I recommend you either blowdry and flat iron it by yourself.Get braid & conrows or go to someone that knows how to deal with natural hair and has a good reputation as a stylist (because not everybody really knows how to deal with natural hair even thought it might be a ''natural/curly'' hair salon).
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  • DimePiece17DimePiece17 Posts: 521Registered Users
    How BCing is the way to go to go natural. I grew out my relaxer in 1999 and never even dreamed of a big chop. I simply went to the salon once every two weeks and had my hair washed and "pressed" as we did it in those days. mostly, she flat ironed my roots. When I didn't go to the salon i'd slick my hair back into a ponytail or bun. No one ever noticed i was going natural and I never experienced any shedding or breakage. I did get trims every 6-8 weeks, but that was it. There wasn't really any such thing as a "natural stylist" back then. and the only real deep conditioning I did was with straight up cholesteral. It took about a year and a half. When I was done I was left with a head full of 4a curls. I guess BCing is cool is you have the immediate natural look, but I'm okay with straight hair. I only grew out my relaxer so my own hair could be more full. The relaxer made my hair thin, thin, thin.
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  • jessy828jessy828 Posts: 3Registered Users
    hi I am new to this forum and i am looking for some support, I am transitioning too w/out the big chop, and i hate the fact that my hair doesn't look as nice, but i do get a lot of complements, but honestly i am the only that really know whats going on, on my hair, this two textures are driving my crazy I just hate the relaxed part, cant wait to be transitioning for a year already (6 months post relaxed) and see some really changes. Even though my hair is relaxed still gets really curly but my natural curls are even more curly and defined. Well anyways cant wait to be completely natural, and I hope we can share, and help each other, and support the naturals!
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