Do sulfate-free cleansers automatically clarify?

jillipoojillipoo Posts: 3,795Registered Users Curl Neophyte
I admit to experiencing some confusion about clarifying. I am interested in clarifying but haven't so far because:

1. Massey doesn't make any mention of it in her book per se and so I assumed it was more of a preferential thing that some curlies do

2. I have color-treated hair and some of the ingredients I have read that people use to clarify are also dangerous for hair color (i.e., they strip it)

3. I am still not entirely sure of the difference between shampooing with a sulfate-free product and clarifying. (For instance, I'm thinking of buying [buylink=http://www.curlmart.com/Jessicurl-Hair-Cleansing-Cream-p-103.html?utm_source=naturallycurly.com&utm_medium=text-link&utm_content=curltalk-post-text&utm_campaign=jessicurl-hair-cleansing-cream]Jessicurl's Hair Cleansing Cream[/buylink]. Would I be clarifying if I used it or just cleansing?)

TIA for your help on this one.
3a and strictly CG since August 2007. Porous and on the fine side. No to magnesium sulfate and glycerin. Yes to protein! Favorites:
CO-WASHES: Suave Coconut
CONDITIONERS and LEAVE-INS: Mop Top Daily Conditioner, KBB Nectar, Aubrey GPB or Island Naturals, Robert Craig, Any Jessicurl
CURL ENHANCERS/CREMES/MOUSSES: KCCC, JoiWhip
GELS: Fuzzy Duck, B5 Design, MGA Scultping, BRHG


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Blog: http://jillipoo.blogspot.com/
Twitter: nopoojillipoo

Comments

  • Mamacurl3Mamacurl3 Posts: 1,559Registered Users
    Great questions too, I"m new to this all and don't have to book yet either, but have the same questions. Thanks for bringing them up. If clarifying is in addition to shampooing with gentle/sulfate free shampoo, how often? I'm curious to try the ACV and the honey..is honey a clarifier or moisturizer?
    Type: 3a/3b, fine-medium
    Cleanse: hg:whispering windz farm jar soaps,
    Moisture/Co rinse: GVP conditioning balm
    DT: Jessicurl's dt
    Leave in: KCKT
    Definition: kccc
    Hold: rotating: gvp liquid scuplting gel
    ACV rinse bi-weekly
    http://s722.photobucket.com/albums/ww223/mamacurl7/
    "My father says almost the whole world's asleep...He says only a few people are awake. And they live in a state of constant, total amazement."
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  • curlygirlymecurlygirlyme Posts: 1,340Registered Users
    I think clarifying can be done without using sls or als. I know some people use them (such as myself) but not everyone does. I know elucence makes a clarifying shampoo that is supposed to be good. I know there is a thread on here about good clarifying shampoo's you should search it because there is a good list. You can use an ACV rinse. I've tried it and it does work. But be careful not to use too much because it will dry your hair our. I know there was some mention awhile ago about the right amount to use again I would search for that info here. Honey isn't for clarifying. Honey is good for drawing moisture in. It helps your hair get moisture out of the air if I'm not mistaken (which I could be). I think there are ways to clarify your hair without sls or als but I would check labels to make sure they won't mess with your color and I would ask around to make sure an ACV rinse will not mess up your hair. Good Luck!
  • StruttsWifeStruttsWife Posts: 819Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    Sulfate-free does not necessarily mean "surfactant-free" ... for example, neither Deva's Low Poo nor [buylink=http://www.curlmart.com/Jessicurl-Gentle-Lather-Shampoo-p-363.html?utm_source=naturallycurly.com&utm_medium=text-link&utm_content=curltalk-post-text&utm_campaign=jessicurl-gentle-lather-shampoo]Jessicurl's Gentle Lather Shampoo[/buylink] contains sulfates, but they each contain cocamidopropyl betaine, which is still a surfactant. However, CB is derived from coconut oil and is therefore not considered harsh like the sulfates. So, yes, sulfate-free cleansers can contain other surfactants and be clarifying ... although I personally prefer to do a once-a-month ACV rinse clarification.
    - Tiffany
    Hair Stylist and Curly Hair Specialist - St. Petersburg, FL (Tampa Bay)

    Blog: Live Curly, Live Free
    Facebook fan page: Live Curly Live Free

    Sulfate- and non-water soluble silicone-free since 04/22/2002
    3B, brunette: medium texture, low porosity, high density

  • FrizzBgoneFrizzBgone Posts: 2,678Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    Sulfate-free does not necessarily mean "surfactant-free" ... for example, neither Deva's Low Poo nor [buylink=http://www.curlmart.com/Jessicurl-Gentle-Lather-Shampoo-p-363.html?utm_source=naturallycurly.com&utm_medium=text-link&utm_content=curltalk-post-text&utm_campaign=jessicurl-gentle-lather-shampoo]Jessicurl's Gentle Lather Shampoo[/buylink] contains sulfates, but they each contain cocamidopropyl betaine, which is still a surfactant. However, CB is derived from coconut oil and is therefore not considered harsh like the sulfates. So, yes, sulfate-free cleansers can contain other surfactants and be clarifying ... although I personally prefer to do a once-a-month ACV rinse clarification.

    Hi There StruttsWife !!

    Does an ACV rinse and/or lemon rinse wreck you colour and or highlights ... I've always been afraid to do it, because of that.

    I'll use the Elucence clarifying shampoo if I absolutely need to. The longer I've been away from cones and sulfate shampoos, I don't find I need to clarify like I used to. I've gone from feeling the need to every week, to bi-weekly ... to ... haven't done it in about 6 weeks.

    I pay so much for colour/highlights ... I would be furious if I did something to wreck them.

    Once again ... thanks for the info and willingness to share your expertise !!! :color:
    Type: 3a fine & dense,with normal porosity, terrible product junkie
    ROUTINE: LI, enhancer, gel, plop with Curlease towel, serum product (either CIAB or Gel-les'c), clip & diffuse.
    Too many favourite products to list ... I finally have my routine that works and alot of products to choose from. My product stash is huge, but well loved !!!
  • StruttsWifeStruttsWife Posts: 819Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    FrizzBgone wrote: »
    Does an ACV rinse and/or lemon rinse wreck you colour and or highlights ... I've always been afraid to do it, because of that.
    Hey, you! Happy New Year!!! :blob7:

    I have never had problems with my color from doing an ACV rinse ... as a matter of fact, any kind of acid-based rinse (ACV, lemon juice) is actually going to help retain your color.

    Keeping your hair cuticle (the outer layer of hair that looks like shingled roof tiles) closed is what keeps moisture in and protects the cortex, where all the chemical processing like color takes place ... which helps your color to last longer. Acids and cool water are the two easiest things you can do to close your cuticle - acids close, alkalis lift; cool water closes, hot/warm water lifts. When you do your daily conditioner rinse, use cool water. Then, once or twice a month, use an ACV or lemon juice rinse to clarify. If you really have problems with frizz, squirt a teaspoon or so of lemon juice into your daily conditioner.

    Now, that said, I don't know that I'd recommend an ACV rinse every day ... it is acidic, after all, and overkill ain't good either. But I have never known anyone to have a lick of trouble - with color, perms, anything - by doing an ACV rinse once or twice monthly.

    I mix 2 tablespoons of ACV into 2 cups of lavender water (you can use plain purified water) and pour it over my hair right before I condition it (I don't rinse it out). Any residual smell usually dissipates after my hair is dry. Cheap and easy!
    - Tiffany
    Hair Stylist and Curly Hair Specialist - St. Petersburg, FL (Tampa Bay)

    Blog: Live Curly, Live Free
    Facebook fan page: Live Curly Live Free

    Sulfate- and non-water soluble silicone-free since 04/22/2002
    3B, brunette: medium texture, low porosity, high density

  • FrizzBgoneFrizzBgone Posts: 2,678Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    Thank you !! I'll give it a try!! Happy New Year to you too !!! :occasion9:
    Type: 3a fine & dense,with normal porosity, terrible product junkie
    ROUTINE: LI, enhancer, gel, plop with Curlease towel, serum product (either CIAB or Gel-les'c), clip & diffuse.
    Too many favourite products to list ... I finally have my routine that works and alot of products to choose from. My product stash is huge, but well loved !!!
  • jillipoojillipoo Posts: 3,795Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    StruttsWife, thank you so very much for your thorough answer! This helps me a lot. It's good to know I don't have to fear the ACV rinse because of my color-treated hair. Also good to have that sulfate/surfactant question resolved! So glad you're here. :)
    3a and strictly CG since August 2007. Porous and on the fine side. No to magnesium sulfate and glycerin. Yes to protein! Favorites:
    CO-WASHES: Suave Coconut
    CONDITIONERS and LEAVE-INS: Mop Top Daily Conditioner, KBB Nectar, Aubrey GPB or Island Naturals, Robert Craig, Any Jessicurl
    CURL ENHANCERS/CREMES/MOUSSES: KCCC, JoiWhip
    GELS: Fuzzy Duck, B5 Design, MGA Scultping, BRHG


    Fotki password: chuckle
    Blog: http://jillipoo.blogspot.com/
    Twitter: nopoojillipoo
  • missy60missy60 Posts: 351Registered Users
    Actually ACV rinse does not clarify it only removes build up from that shampoo only. I does adjust PH though which is a good thing and it does close the cuticle.

    Massey does have recipes to remove build up in her book which would be clarifying. She has a baking soda recipe called What a curl wants and Lemon aid which she does call clarifying.

    I have tried both on my color treated hair shortly before I color and I will say the baking soda one did strip the color, but I didnt have the book at the time and used more then she recommends. I also used the Lemon Aid and it worked great on my hair I didnt notice any color fade. I also did both of these shortly before I colored again just in case.

    I would be careful using anything like this right after coloring it is usually recommended to wait about 2 weeks before even doing a deep treatment with heat.
  • jillipoojillipoo Posts: 3,795Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    Thanks!
    3a and strictly CG since August 2007. Porous and on the fine side. No to magnesium sulfate and glycerin. Yes to protein! Favorites:
    CO-WASHES: Suave Coconut
    CONDITIONERS and LEAVE-INS: Mop Top Daily Conditioner, KBB Nectar, Aubrey GPB or Island Naturals, Robert Craig, Any Jessicurl
    CURL ENHANCERS/CREMES/MOUSSES: KCCC, JoiWhip
    GELS: Fuzzy Duck, B5 Design, MGA Scultping, BRHG


    Fotki password: chuckle
    Blog: http://jillipoo.blogspot.com/
    Twitter: nopoojillipoo
  • Mamacurl3Mamacurl3 Posts: 1,559Registered Users
    So is clarifying something that in necessary for those who follow a no-poo regimen or is it necessary for those who low-poo? I'm shampooing less, but still using a shampoo that has some sulfates (the Phytonectar). I shampoo about once a week, and co-wash the other days. Do I still need to clarify?

    Thanks all for your help, I appreciate the expertise :)
    Type: 3a/3b, fine-medium
    Cleanse: hg:whispering windz farm jar soaps,
    Moisture/Co rinse: GVP conditioning balm
    DT: Jessicurl's dt
    Leave in: KCKT
    Definition: kccc
    Hold: rotating: gvp liquid scuplting gel
    ACV rinse bi-weekly
    http://s722.photobucket.com/albums/ww223/mamacurl7/
    "My father says almost the whole world's asleep...He says only a few people are awake. And they live in a state of constant, total amazement."
    Traveling? http://katiebutton.rovia.com/
  • StruttsWifeStruttsWife Posts: 819Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    Clarifying is largely necessary for those who still use non-water soluble silicones in their conditioners and styling products. If you are using products that contain all water-soluble ingredients, it shouldn't really be necessary for you to clarify that much unless you have other issues, such as medication buildup or hard water deposits, etc.
    - Tiffany
    Hair Stylist and Curly Hair Specialist - St. Petersburg, FL (Tampa Bay)

    Blog: Live Curly, Live Free
    Facebook fan page: Live Curly Live Free

    Sulfate- and non-water soluble silicone-free since 04/22/2002
    3B, brunette: medium texture, low porosity, high density

  • Mamacurl3Mamacurl3 Posts: 1,559Registered Users
    thanks Strutt, I'lll have to check my conditioners to see what they've got in them....I'm looking for anything cone right? I do have hard water, so a monthly clarification probably wouldn't be a bad idea. :wink: Thanks again!
    Type: 3a/3b, fine-medium
    Cleanse: hg:whispering windz farm jar soaps,
    Moisture/Co rinse: GVP conditioning balm
    DT: Jessicurl's dt
    Leave in: KCKT
    Definition: kccc
    Hold: rotating: gvp liquid scuplting gel
    ACV rinse bi-weekly
    http://s722.photobucket.com/albums/ww223/mamacurl7/
    "My father says almost the whole world's asleep...He says only a few people are awake. And they live in a state of constant, total amazement."
    Traveling? http://katiebutton.rovia.com/
  • StruttsWifeStruttsWife Posts: 819Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    Anything with -cone or -col is usually the tip-off. And I have hard water too, but I don't seem to have any build-up issues from doing my monthly ACV rinse :)
    - Tiffany
    Hair Stylist and Curly Hair Specialist - St. Petersburg, FL (Tampa Bay)

    Blog: Live Curly, Live Free
    Facebook fan page: Live Curly Live Free

    Sulfate- and non-water soluble silicone-free since 04/22/2002
    3B, brunette: medium texture, low porosity, high density

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