Devacurl ArcAngel - I give up

FrizzBgoneFrizzBgone Posts: 2,678Registered Users Curl Neophyte
I hate to give up on a product ... especially one that gets such good reviews, is a little pricey and I paid shipping for .... but I've had it. :cry:

I tried it again today. I have managed to get good results twice with this product ... twice out of the 6 or so times I've used it.

What is it with this product and me? I have even managed to get consistent results lately with Curlisto structure lotion and Gel II, but can't master these products for the life of me. :banghead:

Just had to put this out there ... I hate not being able to share everyone's success with the Devacurl line. As it stands now, the only product I'm likely to ever re-order will be the Low Poo and OneC.
Type: 3a fine & dense,with normal porosity, terrible product junkie
ROUTINE: LI, enhancer, gel, plop with Curlease towel, serum product (either CIAB or Gel-les'c), clip & diffuse.
Too many favourite products to list ... I finally have my routine that works and alot of products to choose from. My product stash is huge, but well loved !!!

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  • msgibletmsgiblet Posts: 5,825Registered Users
    FrizzBgone wrote: »
    I hate to give up on a product ... especially one that gets such good reviews, is a little pricey and I paid shipping for .... but I've had it. :cry:

    I tried it again today. I have managed to get good results twice with this product ... twice out of the 6 or so times I've used it.

    What is it with this product and me? I have even managed to get consistent results lately with Curlisto structure lotion and Gel II, but can't master these products for the life of me. :banghead:

    Just had to put this out there ... I hate not being able to share everyone's success with the Devacurl line. As it stands now, the only product I'm likely to ever re-order will be the Low Poo and OneC.

    How much did you use? I know I have to use quite a bit of it and haven't used it very often because it seems to leave my hair feeling dry. I did use it yesterday with good results. I washed with [buylink=http://www.curlmart.com/Jessicurl-Hair-Cleansing-Cream-p-103.html?utm_source=naturallycurly.com&utm_medium=text-link&utm_content=curltalk-post-text&utm_campaign=jessicurl-hair-cleansing-cream]Jessicurl HCC[/buylink], co'd with [buylink=http://www.curlmart.com/Jessicurl-Too-Shea-Extra-Moisturizing-Conditioner-p-105.html?utm_source=naturallycurly.com&utm_medium=text-link&utm_content=curltalk-post-text&utm_campaign=jessicurl-too-shea-extra-moisturizing-conditioner]Too Shea[/buylink], used [buylink=http://www.curlmart.com/AG-Recoil-p-24.html?utm_source=naturallycurly.com&utm_medium=text-link&utm_content=curltalk-post-text&utm_campaign=ag-hair-cosmetics-recoil-curl-activator]Re:coil[/buylink] and a couple big globs of the AA, plopped for 30 minutes and diffused. Came out pretty good -- took pics - last 3 in my fotki.

    I've never tried the regular Angell, so ordered some during the After Xmas sale here. My hair seems to like the lighter hold gels during the winter. I had a stylist use this on me once and I liked the feel of it better than the ArcAngell, so we shall see when it arrives.
    http://public.fotki.com/msgiblet/ - pw: gibber -- Pics Added 7/10/11
    Fine, Thick, Normal Porosity, Normal Elasticity

    Countess Balashi of Divi Beach in the Order of the Curly Crusaders :occasion5:

    If I'm Going To Have A Bad Hair Day, It Might As Well Be In Aruba!

    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
  • icequeenicequeen Posts: 590Registered Users
    It is a summer time gel for me. It was fantastic when we were in Mexico. I had beautiful ringlets with it. My method when hot and humid is to leave in some One C, , lightly scrunch my hair with a MF towel, spray/rake in 3-4 shots of SIF and then scrunch in ArcAngell. I use about 2 quarters worth. Clip and dry. Scrunch out the crunch with a small amt. of SIF rubbed into my hands.
    I also mix a small amt. with Angell during the winter for some extra hold. They are the only 2 gels which work for second day hair for me. It is heavy and can be crunchy. I also find my hair looks better as the day goes on with it. HTH!
    I'd save it for summer or I'm looking to swap some Sebastian High Contrast for a bottle :)
    3a Colored, Layered
    Currently loving:
    Cond: CJ Strengthing, Marie Dean, CJ Curl Rehab
    Leave -In: Marie Dean Red Clover, Coconut Lime Detangler and just about the entire line, CJ Rehab
    Gelly: UFDCM, Paul Brown Geletine Goo
    Towel - HG - Curls Like Us

    Always use the "Icequeen" method for products
  • StruttsWifeStruttsWife Posts: 819Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    According to the folks at Devachan when I took my training, Angell and ArcAngell are formulated to work with moisture for best results ... so the more moisturized your hair is, the better Angell or ArcAngell will work. Try raking in some extra conditioner before scrunching in the gel while your hair is still wet ... then scrunch the excess water out with paper towels and scrunch a bit of gel on your ends to refresh them. That is what made a difference for me.
    - Tiffany
    Hair Stylist and Curly Hair Specialist - St. Petersburg, FL (Tampa Bay)

    Blog: Live Curly, Live Free
    Facebook fan page: Live Curly Live Free

    Sulfate- and non-water soluble silicone-free since 04/22/2002
    3B, brunette: medium texture, low porosity, high density

  • MagooMagoo Posts: 2,173Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    Don't feel bad. I couldn't get it to work for me either. No matter what I did I was left with a stringy, frizzy mess. In fact, none of the Deva stuff worked well for me :(. But my hair tends to hate any product that seems to be popular with the curlies around here (CK, Joiwhip, BRHG...the list goes on).
    3b/c fine, thick, porous, protein sensitive
    Modified CG, CJ Rehab, JCWDT, KCKT, VO5 Chamomile Tea Therapy, CJDF, HEBE Gel/Mousse, Bioinfusion Rosemary Mint shampoo, occasional protein

    Experimenting with BRHG

    "If you want the rainbow, you've gotta put up with the rain"
  • icequeenicequeen Posts: 590Registered Users
    I should add that Angell mixed with ArcAngell is working fantastic over SheaM and CK. It is now my favorite combination. I apply using Struttswife's method in the shower in dripping wet hair. I put in SheaM then CK in sopping wet hair (flipped over), let it sit while I finish the shower stuff and then scrunch in Angell/ArcAngell. I scrunch with a MF towel, clip and diffuse. Probably the moisture factor she mentioned which is making it a winner.
    3a Colored, Layered
    Currently loving:
    Cond: CJ Strengthing, Marie Dean, CJ Curl Rehab
    Leave -In: Marie Dean Red Clover, Coconut Lime Detangler and just about the entire line, CJ Rehab
    Gelly: UFDCM, Paul Brown Geletine Goo
    Towel - HG - Curls Like Us

    Always use the "Icequeen" method for products
  • SableSable Posts: 109Registered Users
    I also couldn't get ArcAngell to work until I started using StruttsWife's method. Now after rinsing OneC I add more for my leave in, rake in Set It Free, then scrunch in Angell or ArcAngell while hair is soaking wet. Then scrunch with paper towels until not dripping anymore. I had given up on the Deva products until I read StruttsWife's instructions, now I finally know how important the method you use is. I'm using Angel right now, and thanks to StruttsWife it's working and hair is looking good and full of moisture.
    3a/3b/F/ii
    Current Favorites:

    Mixed Chicks Shampoo
    Mixed Chicks Deep Conditioner
    Mixed Chicks Leave In Conditioner
  • StruttsWifeStruttsWife Posts: 819Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    You know, if I have any complaints about Deva, it's that they do not explain their product use well at all. They have never communicated the details effectively to their customers, I don't think. I went to NYC and told them I felt their products did not work for curly girls in Florida (at least my curlies) ... however, once I got a better explanation about the relationship between their formulations and moisture, and then applied those principles, I had completely different results. And it appears others are having the same experience I am ... now that we understand how the products work and how to use them properly, they are working great.

    Maddening ... so much of this frustration could be avoided.
    - Tiffany
    Hair Stylist and Curly Hair Specialist - St. Petersburg, FL (Tampa Bay)

    Blog: Live Curly, Live Free
    Facebook fan page: Live Curly Live Free

    Sulfate- and non-water soluble silicone-free since 04/22/2002
    3B, brunette: medium texture, low porosity, high density

  • rejoicingcurlygirlrejoicingcurlygirl Posts: 654Registered Users
    Another HOORAY! for Struttswife! :cheers:Now that i am following her explanation i am having great luck with deva! I use lots of onec as rinse out then I use a little onec as leave in and then the [buylink=http://www.curlmart.com/DevaCare-Arc-AnGell-p-567.html?utm_source=naturallycurly.com&utm_medium=text-link&utm_content=curltalk-post-text&utm_campaign=devacurl-devacare-arc-angell]arc angel[/buylink] and it gives great frizz free curls. Yes, I wish there was a better explanation about this from deva! BTW, is it pronounced deva with a long e like "diva"?
    3A; I have HG products!
    Curl enhancer: Mop-C curl cream
    DT: Deva Heaven in Hair; JC WDT
    Gel: B&A; Arc Angel
    Conditioner: Deva OneC; JC too shea
    Frizz fighters: CK, JCS C&S
    PW: curlynow
  • StruttsWifeStruttsWife Posts: 819Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    Another HOORAY! for Struttswife! :cheers:Now that i am following her explanation i am having great luck with deva! I use lots of onec as rinse out then I use a little onec as leave in and then the [buylink=http://www.curlmart.com/DevaCare-Arc-AnGell-p-567.html?utm_source=naturallycurly.com&utm_medium=text-link&utm_content=curltalk-post-text&utm_campaign=devacurl-devacare-arc-angell]arc angel[/buylink] and it gives great frizz free curls. Yes, I wish there was a better explanation about this from deva! BTW, is it pronounced deva with a long e like "diva"?
    Yep ... pronounced just the same as when I tell my three-year-old daughter, "There is room for ONE diva in this house and that would be ME ..." ;)
    - Tiffany
    Hair Stylist and Curly Hair Specialist - St. Petersburg, FL (Tampa Bay)

    Blog: Live Curly, Live Free
    Facebook fan page: Live Curly Live Free

    Sulfate- and non-water soluble silicone-free since 04/22/2002
    3B, brunette: medium texture, low porosity, high density

  • FrizzBgoneFrizzBgone Posts: 2,678Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    According to the folks at Devachan when I took my training, Angell and ArcAngell are formulated to work with moisture for best results ... so the more moisturized your hair is, the better Angell or ArcAngell will work. Try raking in some extra conditioner before scrunching in the gel while your hair is still wet ... then scrunch the excess water out with paper towels and scrunch a bit of gel on your ends to refresh them. That is what made a difference for me.
    icequeen wrote: »
    I should add that Angell mixed with ArcAngell is working fantastic over SheaM and CK. It is now my favorite combination. I apply using Struttswife's method in the shower in dripping wet hair. I put in SheaM then CK in sopping wet hair (flipped over), let it sit while I finish the shower stuff and then scrunch in Angell/ArcAngell. I scrunch with a MF towel, clip and diffuse. Probably the moisture factor she mentioned which is making it a winner.
    Sable wrote: »
    I also couldn't get ArcAngell to work until I started using StruttsWife's method. Now after rinsing OneC I add more for my leave in, rake in Set It Free, then scrunch in Angell or ArcAngell while hair is soaking wet. Then scrunch with paper towels until not dripping anymore. I had given up on the Deva products until I read StruttsWife's instructions, now I finally know how important the method you use is. I'm using Angel right now, and thanks to StruttsWife it's working and hair is looking good and full of moisture.
    msgiblet wrote: »
    How much did you use? I know I have to use quite a bit of it and haven't used it very often because it seems to leave my hair feeling dry. I did use it yesterday with good results. I washed with [buylink=http://www.curlmart.com/Jessicurl-Hair-Cleansing-Cream-p-103.html?utm_source=naturallycurly.com&utm_medium=text-link&utm_content=curltalk-post-text&utm_campaign=jessicurl-hair-cleansing-cream]Jessicurl HCC[/buylink], co'd with [buylink=http://www.curlmart.com/Jessicurl-Too-Shea-Extra-Moisturizing-Conditioner-p-105.html?utm_source=naturallycurly.com&utm_medium=text-link&utm_content=curltalk-post-text&utm_campaign=jessicurl-too-shea-extra-moisturizing-conditioner]Too Shea[/buylink], used [buylink=http://www.curlmart.com/AG-Recoil-p-24.html?utm_source=naturallycurly.com&utm_medium=text-link&utm_content=curltalk-post-text&utm_campaign=ag-hair-cosmetics-recoil-curl-activator]Re:coil[/buylink] and a couple big globs of the AA, plopped for 30 minutes and diffused. Came out pretty good -- took pics - last 3 in my fotki.

    I've never tried the regular Angell, so ordered some during the After Xmas sale here. My hair seems to like the lighter hold gels during the winter. I had a stylist use this on me once and I liked the feel of it better than the ArcAngell, so we shall see when it arrives.
    icequeen wrote: »
    It is a summer time gel for me. It was fantastic when we were in Mexico. I had beautiful ringlets with it. My method when hot and humid is to leave in some One C, , lightly scrunch my hair with a MF towel, spray/rake in 3-4 shots of SIF and then scrunch in ArcAngell. I use about 2 quarters worth. Clip and dry. Scrunch out the crunch with a small amt. of SIF rubbed into my hands.
    I also mix a small amt. with Angell during the winter for some extra hold. They are the only 2 gels which work for second day hair for me. It is heavy and can be crunchy. I also find my hair looks better as the day goes on with it. HTH!
    I'd save it for summer or I'm looking to swap some Sebastian High Contrast for a bottle :)

    Thank you for all the pointers.

    This S.I.F. thing is confusing though ... bottle says to use it afterwards, but curlies seem to be using it before putting in the Arc or Angell ??

    MSG .. your hair is gorgeous ... Mine was a frizz bucket the last time I used the ArcAngell !!

    I'll give it another try and re-post with my success or not !!:laughing7:

    Thanks again
    Type: 3a fine & dense,with normal porosity, terrible product junkie
    ROUTINE: LI, enhancer, gel, plop with Curlease towel, serum product (either CIAB or Gel-les'c), clip & diffuse.
    Too many favourite products to list ... I finally have my routine that works and alot of products to choose from. My product stash is huge, but well loved !!!
  • StruttsWifeStruttsWife Posts: 819Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    FrizzBgone wrote: »
    Thank you for all the pointers.

    This S.I.F. thing is confusing though ... bottle says to use it afterwards, but curlies seem to be using it before putting in the Arc or Angell ??

    MSG .. your hair is gorgeous ... Mine was a frizz bucket the last time I used the ArcAngell !!

    I'll give it another try and re-post with my success or not !!:laughing7:

    Thanks again
    Curlies can use SIF several different ways - spray it all over your wet hair after you've scrunched in your gel and then scrunch that in, spray it all over your hair when you are completely dry and use it to help scrunch out any crystallized product ... and then there are people like Vida, one of the Devachan colorists with tight corkscrew curls, who literally pours SIF into her palm and scrunches it in that way because she says she needs so much extra moisture (and recommends this to her very curly clients as well).

    Play around and see what works best for you ... the key is to get tons and tons of moisture into your hair in any way you can before you scrunch in your styling products. It's the moisture that defines and shapes our curls ... the product is only there for hold.
    - Tiffany
    Hair Stylist and Curly Hair Specialist - St. Petersburg, FL (Tampa Bay)

    Blog: Live Curly, Live Free
    Facebook fan page: Live Curly Live Free

    Sulfate- and non-water soluble silicone-free since 04/22/2002
    3B, brunette: medium texture, low porosity, high density

  • icequeenicequeen Posts: 590Registered Users
    At Devachan, I was told to spray it 3-4 times lightly into my hair, and smooth it in before applying Angell or ArcAngell. She then lightly misted (1 spray) the clips in my hair before drying. I was also told to spray 1-2 pumps into my hand and work it into my hands well before scrunching out my hair. This works well for me. I cannot use it any other way or it causes frizz, limp curls and dull hair. Spraying it on for 2nd hair which most others love is a disaster for me.

    Carlos (2nd visit) advised spraying 4-5 pumps into my hand and scrunching in before the gel. No raking of any product except OneC as a leave in. This was too much SIF for me and too concentrated.

    They change advice frequently at Devachan so the bottle directions generally can be disregarded :) Use it however it works!
    3a Colored, Layered
    Currently loving:
    Cond: CJ Strengthing, Marie Dean, CJ Curl Rehab
    Leave -In: Marie Dean Red Clover, Coconut Lime Detangler and just about the entire line, CJ Rehab
    Gelly: UFDCM, Paul Brown Geletine Goo
    Towel - HG - Curls Like Us

    Always use the "Icequeen" method for products
  • msgibletmsgiblet Posts: 5,825Registered Users
    Struttswife, thank you for all of this great information. I got rid of my SIF quite awhile ago because I only used it like the directions on the bottle said; tried using it to scrunch out the crunch after dry or on 2nd day hair and my hair felt nasty and waxy. Never even thought about using it on wet hair. I'm going to get some more and try it again. It sure would be nice if LM would get her second book out and include a section with detailed instructions and/or suggestions for all of their products.

    Frizzbegone, thank you for the compliment. I have finally figured out that not only the ArcAngell, but most all of my gels work so much better if I have more moisture in my hair first.
    http://public.fotki.com/msgiblet/ - pw: gibber -- Pics Added 7/10/11
    Fine, Thick, Normal Porosity, Normal Elasticity

    Countess Balashi of Divi Beach in the Order of the Curly Crusaders :occasion5:

    If I'm Going To Have A Bad Hair Day, It Might As Well Be In Aruba!

    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
  • FrizzBgoneFrizzBgone Posts: 2,678Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    Thanks to all of you who responded to my cry for help :laughing7:

    I will be sticking close to home this New Year's Eve, so I've decided to give it a whirl do the Deva products again.

    :clock: ... countdown is on to a new year !!

    Happy New Year to all of you .... Wishing you health, happiness .... and frizz free curls in 2008
    Type: 3a fine & dense,with normal porosity, terrible product junkie
    ROUTINE: LI, enhancer, gel, plop with Curlease towel, serum product (either CIAB or Gel-les'c), clip & diffuse.
    Too many favourite products to list ... I finally have my routine that works and alot of products to choose from. My product stash is huge, but well loved !!!
  • FrizzBgoneFrizzBgone Posts: 2,678Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    Well, I gave it another shot ... not bad, but still not to the point that I'd actually re-purchase the product again. I am on holidays for another week, so I'll give it another shot !!
    There isn't much frizz, and I have lots of curls ... but my hair does look a little dry. I used the B-Leave-in rather than the OneC as a leave-in. Next time I try it, I'll try it with the OneC as a leave-in.

    Update:
    Hours later, I have a frizz halo. I still have lots of curls, but my hair looks fuzzy and dry.
    I'm thinking these products aren't for me !
    Type: 3a fine & dense,with normal porosity, terrible product junkie
    ROUTINE: LI, enhancer, gel, plop with Curlease towel, serum product (either CIAB or Gel-les'c), clip & diffuse.
    Too many favourite products to list ... I finally have my routine that works and alot of products to choose from. My product stash is huge, but well loved !!!
  • medusahairmedusahair Posts: 3,515Registered Users
    [buylink=http://www.curlmart.com/DevaCurl-BLeave-In-p-434.html?utm_source=naturallycurly.com&utm_medium=text-link&utm_content=curltalk-post-text&utm_campaign=devacurl-bleavein]B'leave in[/buylink] has protein in it, it really dries out my hair. I love ONeC and Angell and ArcAngell though. I just dont' use the "leave in" I use ONeC as a leave in when I use these gels.
    2c/3a?
    Low porosity, medium texture.
    http://public.fotki.com/Medusahair/

    If it smells good put it in your hair, if it tastes good spit it out!
  • StruttsWifeStruttsWife Posts: 819Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    FrizzBgone wrote: »
    Well, I gave it another shot ... not bad, but still not to the point that I'd actually re-purchase the product again. I am on holidays for another week, so I'll give it another shot !!
    There isn't much frizz, and I have lots of curls ... but my hair does look a little dry. I used the B-Leave-in rather than the OneC as a leave-in. Next time I try it, I'll try it with the OneC as a leave-in.

    Update:
    Hours later, I have a frizz halo. I still have lots of curls, but my hair looks fuzzy and dry.
    I'm thinking these products aren't for me !
    I'm not surprised ... it usually takes a week or two for your hair to get used to the re-hydration process. If you can hang in there for just a little while, it will progressively get better, I promise.

    [buylink=http://www.curlmart.com/DevaCurl-BLeave-In-p-434.html?utm_source=naturallycurly.com&utm_medium=text-link&utm_content=curltalk-post-text&utm_campaign=devacurl-bleavein]B'Leave-In[/buylink] doesn't do a thing for me either ... I always use OneC as my leave-in instead. From my observations, it seems to do better for curlies with fine hair because of the protein in it. I have medium texture hair and, while it doesn't dry me out like it does medusahair, I really don't get any benefits from it either ... plus, I notice I tend to get a frizz halo as the day goes on that I don't get if I use OneC.
    - Tiffany
    Hair Stylist and Curly Hair Specialist - St. Petersburg, FL (Tampa Bay)

    Blog: Live Curly, Live Free
    Facebook fan page: Live Curly Live Free

    Sulfate- and non-water soluble silicone-free since 04/22/2002
    3B, brunette: medium texture, low porosity, high density

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