Scalp and hair loss issues

medusahairmedusahair Posts: 3,515Registered Users
Hey there all!
I haven't been posting after resurfacing because I feel like a horror story.
My hair is still falling out! My hair is so thin now:thumbdown: I know a certain gentle shampoo does it but it happens sometimes with other products. All I can figure is it's wheat in them?
I was starting to think it was a health issue but I noticed my scalp right on on top of my head feels irritated. I can't even wear my headphones it's so bad.
How weird is that?!
My hair is still curly, I'm air drying but I've stopped using all the no sulfate shampoos and co washing (yes I tried just co washing that didn't work either) I'm back on sulfates for now to see if my old shampoo will stop the process.

In the mean time I'm back on hair vits with a vengence and I'm babying the hair I still have.

Anyone ever have this happen? either with the scalp not breathing well or sensitivity to something or????

My hair is now light enough to curl well though, shows my products were too heavy before (silver lining and all)
2c/3a?
Low porosity, medium texture.
http://public.fotki.com/Medusahair/

If it smells good put it in your hair, if it tastes good spit it out!
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  • msgibletmsgiblet Posts: 5,825Registered Users
    Good to see you back again. Unfortunately, I haven't gone through anything like this, so I have no helpful suggestions; just wanted to send {{HUGS}} - has to VERY frustrating! :sad6: Has it just started with products you've been using long-term? Maybe stress-related? And the only other thing I can offer is the obvious -- maybe you should see the doc.

    Hopefully, someone will jump in who will be a LOT more helpful than I am. :oops:
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  • kcurlskcurls Posts: 205Registered Users
    I don't know if I can offer anything helpful, either, but I wanted to mention something I heard recently. I posted about this on another thread but no one seemed to have much to say in response. I'll repeat it here in case there is some link to your situation:

    I went for a color consult at a salon that is not my usual curly-haircut place. This is not a curly salon at all- no one there has curly hair, the assistant asked me if I wanted my hair blown straight, all the products have cones, etc.

    So I wasn't expecting enthusiasm from the stylist when I mentioned that I didn't wash my hair with shampoo, but I ended up getting an earful. He said, in essence:

    He had read the Curly Girl book and totally disagrees with Lorraine Massey. He says that if you don't remove oil from the scalp at least once a week with some sort of shampoo, then the oil will crystalize, which affects the bulb, and the hair could stop growing there - resulting in hair loss. He claims to have seen this.

    I told him about co-washing but he still seemed doubtful. I mean, I think that's why LM is specific about the need for rubbing or massaging the scalp thoroughly with the conditioner, to remove the oil. I have to admit I am kind of lazy about this - I tend to sort of massage a little, then get on with the rest of my routine.

    I have been CG for about 3 years, and am not experiencing any hair loss, but I will say that I just purchased my first bottle of NoPoo and will be using it a couple times a week. I am not sure NoPoo will be anymore efficacious than co-washing tho, maybe I should have done LoPoo.

    Anyway, for what it's worth, and good luck.
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    Product: Suave Coconut leave in, Joico Joiwhip mousse, Angell or F/X Curl booster on wet hair. Sometimes rotate in ReCoil/CK.

    Routine: Scrunch with cloth diapers, then use Shellynot's clipping method. Diffuse a bit without touching hair. Leave clips in at least half and hour. Remove clips and air dry.

    Day 2: Pineapple, no product.

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  • CurlyQTPieCurlyQTPie Posts: 447Registered Users
    I am so sorry, Medusahair. Perhaps your hairloss could be associated to something in your diet. I think hairloss is associted with a Vitamin B deficiency? I am really into natural foods and have read many times that increasing MSM and eating cucumbers is really good with preventing hairloss, so I would suggest trying those things.

    I know that ringworm can also cause hairloss and a painful scalp, so maybe it's something as simple as an imbalance of something on your scalp? (And I'm not suggesting that you have ringworm, but just an example of the skin conditions that can cause hairloss. :wink:)

    On a side note, I find that story about CG resulting in hairloss. For one, people weren't running around bald before shampoo was invented. If it were the case that chemical surfacants were needed to clean the scalp then surely back in the days everyone would have been bald, no? Not to say that they didn't clean the scalp because people did wash with water and in places, such as Indian, different herbal mixtures, but they didn't use regular ol' shampoo.

    I think that I remember reading that the massaging the scalp DOES say to remove dirt and oil. BTW, there are women on another board I'm on that never wash their hair with anything and have super long, beautiful healthy hair.
    3B with some 3a. Fell off but am now back on the CG bandwagon and looking for my HG products.
  • kcurlskcurls Posts: 205Registered Users
    There's another recent thread on the no shampoo issue under "general topics" with the title 'ouidad'. People generally agree that CG is probably not the culprit.
    3A - fine, just above shoulder length, w/red color and highlights.

    Product: Suave Coconut leave in, Joico Joiwhip mousse, Angell or F/X Curl booster on wet hair. Sometimes rotate in ReCoil/CK.

    Routine: Scrunch with cloth diapers, then use Shellynot's clipping method. Diffuse a bit without touching hair. Leave clips in at least half and hour. Remove clips and air dry.

    Day 2: Pineapple, no product.

    DT once a week with DevaCare OneC





    ALSO:
    "I got a crush on Obama."
  • missmoniemissmonie Posts: 920Registered Users
    Good luck to you medusahair. I don't have an answer or suggestion for you, but I just wanted to send you some good vibes.

    The edges of my hair recently got very thin and I couldn't figure out why. It's growing back now...but I was thinking it was either my hair products or the fact that I recently had a baby.
    4a: Combo of tight coils and waves; Last relaxer - 11/05 (LC - 4/07) - http://public.fotki.com/missmonie/ - updates as of Mar '09

    Products: Trader Joe's condish * Giovanni Direct Leave in * Fantasia Gel or KCCC for curl definition * Karen's Body Beautiful Hair Cream as moisturizer

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  • xcptnlxcptnl Posts: 15,678Registered Users Curl Connoisseur
    Hugs to you MH! I don't have the scalp irritation you have but I do think my hair is thinning but I think mine is an age thing. I come from a family of fine with thin hair which is not a good combo. I was taking the hair skin nail vitamins but finished them up but I have been thinking of just getting the biotin vitamin since I have read that is the one that really does the work. Keep us posted.
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  • pinksugarpinksugar Posts: 2,346Registered Users Curl Connoisseur
    I started having this problem when I was using Ouidad products (wheat protein) and Abba's Weightless Gel. It got so bad that my hair stylist was commenting on it. I quit using Ouidad and the gel and switched to Abba's Creme Moist shampoo (1x per week), Abba's Nourish Leave-in, and Suave Vanilla-something conditioner for co-washes. I also went back to using Joiwhip. I know these have protein too, but I don't remember what type. Anyways, I saw a tremendous difference! I also started taking Biotin. My hair "shedding" has decreased significantly. I hope you find something that works, I know how upsetting this can be.
  • missmoniemissmonie Posts: 920Registered Users
    wow....this is so interesting. the gel i use has wheat protein....so maybe that is the culprit.
    4a: Combo of tight coils and waves; Last relaxer - 11/05 (LC - 4/07) - http://public.fotki.com/missmonie/ - updates as of Mar '09

    Products: Trader Joe's condish * Giovanni Direct Leave in * Fantasia Gel or KCCC for curl definition * Karen's Body Beautiful Hair Cream as moisturizer

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  • SuburbanbushbabeSuburbanbushbabe Posts: 15,402Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    I'm sorry that is happening., hair loss is darn scary..it sounds like a product sensitivity. Have you had it checked out by a dermatologist or doctor?
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  • medusahairmedusahair Posts: 3,515Registered Users
    The first thing I thought of was health and diet too. I do remember getting hair loss last time I went CG. I can't tell if it's just a product or a mix of a product and my scalp being coated.
    I have soft water here so it's hard to get things rinsed well out of my hair, I'm sure this complicates things.

    For the days I've been shampooing my scalp is back to normal and so far only the few hair shed daily per usual.
    My conditioner and gels are wheat free I'm using right now.

    Whichever it is, my hair is pretty frizz free now and it's staying on my head so I'll leave wheat out and try and find a gentler shampoo that still does the job.

    I swear my hair is so thin it doesn't even look like mine. I can't belive how much hair can be lost in such a short time. If it hadn't stopped so suddenly with the change in routine and products I'd think I had some serious condition. Whew glad at least it seems to not be health related!

    Thanks so much for your support and sympathy and shared stories. Ya'll are so sweet and helpful I love you guys!
    2c/3a?
    Low porosity, medium texture.
    http://public.fotki.com/Medusahair/

    If it smells good put it in your hair, if it tastes good spit it out!
  • Curly Girl FlaCurly Girl Fla Posts: 1,834Registered Users Curl Connoisseur
    Good to see you around again, MH! You were very much missed, but I'm sorry for the circumstances that brought you back. Glad it seems NOT to be a health issue, though. We'll just have to find you the most gentle, natural poo or poo bar there is. Time to do get googling!:) Take care.
  • medusahairmedusahair Posts: 3,515Registered Users
    Hi there sweetie! I'm sure I'll be more excited about posting when some of my hair grows back in lol

    I did have the best hair day yesterday, now to see if I can replicate it. I had shiny frizz free (not as humid here this time of year) long spirally curls. Ah that's what it's all about!
    2c/3a?
    Low porosity, medium texture.
    http://public.fotki.com/Medusahair/

    If it smells good put it in your hair, if it tastes good spit it out!
  • Just KimmieJust Kimmie Posts: 116Registered Users
    I'd just like to offer my best wishes to you on this...must be frustrating!!
    Hair Type: 2B/3A hybrid, I believe. Had it short for about 5 years, and have since let it grow. Layers have brought out the curl...and I haven't gone 'straight' since!

    http://public.fotki.com/Kimmie7448/curls-rule/
  • EfrizzabethEfrizzabeth Posts: 8,792Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    I have hair loss & thinning issues too & feel your pain. I'll be making a follow up appointment about my thyroid levels soon enough.

    But in the meantime, I bought a shampoo massage brush at Sally Beauty Supply to hopefully help with circulation & slow down my hair loss.

    Before that I switched back to a low sulfate (no ALS, ALES, SLS, SLES) shampoo & when that's gone, I'll use the non-sulfate. I still feel I need to clarify monthly though due to hard water minerals. I'd love to get a water softener to eliminate this step. But to spend a grand or so for an item to fit a 1-1/2 bath temporary home that might not fit a larger future permanent home in the next year, is not worth it.

    I've been paying attention & it doesn't seem to matter though what I shampoo with & I've been through plenty of shampoos trying to find one that didn't leave my hair feeling matted & stripped. Either way, I lose gobs of hair each time, which is once weekly. I'm thinking I might need to give CG another try.

    Then I also put together my own concoction of supplements, to try & mimic an expensive hair vitamin/supplement from on-line, to go with my regular multivitamin. I've been taking them since September I think.

    The one thing I take that I believe works the best is the fish oil. Maybe the massaging is helping too. I feel like I should be shampooing more often now because of feeling like I have an oily scalp, but I'm not going to do so. And I noticed the other day that in the very front I have an inch of new hair. I've NEVER seen anything like this before!

    Maybe a shampoo massage brush & fish oil would help you too?

    ETA: OK, maybe it doesn't work. :dontknow: The oiliness I've been feeling may be from conditioner and/or styling product left too close to the roots. :(
  • wild~hairwild~hair Posts: 9,890Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    kcurls wrote: »
    He had read the Curly Girl book and totally disagrees with Lorraine Massey. He says that if you don't remove oil from the scalp at least once a week with some sort of shampoo, then the oil will crystalize, which affects the bulb, and the hair could stop growing there - resulting in hair loss. He claims to have seen this.

    And I've heard people say the opposite: that shampoo will cause hair loss, and they claim to have evidence as well.

    I would be very wary of taking advice on whether or not to use shampoo from a guy who sells shampoo as a part of his way of making a living.
  • kcurlskcurls Posts: 205Registered Users
    WildHair,

    Yes, I agree. Struttswife, who is a Deva-trained stylist, really laid my fears to rest in this thread:

    http://www.naturallycurly.com/curltalk/showthread.php?t=34367
    (scroll down past discussion of DevaColor)

    The massaging motion, not the chemicals, breaks up the buildup.
    3A - fine, just above shoulder length, w/red color and highlights.

    Product: Suave Coconut leave in, Joico Joiwhip mousse, Angell or F/X Curl booster on wet hair. Sometimes rotate in ReCoil/CK.

    Routine: Scrunch with cloth diapers, then use Shellynot's clipping method. Diffuse a bit without touching hair. Leave clips in at least half and hour. Remove clips and air dry.

    Day 2: Pineapple, no product.

    DT once a week with DevaCare OneC





    ALSO:
    "I got a crush on Obama."
  • medusahairmedusahair Posts: 3,515Registered Users
    Just an update...... I'm still losing hair but not handfuls now. It has slowed considerably. If I try and use [buylink=http://www.curlmart.com/DevaCurl-LowPoo-p-54.html?utm_source=naturallycurly.com&utm_medium=text-link&utm_content=curltalk-post-text&utm_campaign=devacurl-devacurl-lowpoo]devacurl low poo[/buylink], no poo or just conditioner wash with suave I get a ton of hair loss.
    I also get sores on my scalp. Now it's not like I've never used those products before so how weird is that?
    Anyway, so far I'm still using sulfates daily. If I don't I get the sores back. I use BWC conditioners. I seem to lose the least hair with those.

    I'm still tracking the progress but I'm afraid to change my routine too much I'll be completely bald I swear.

    How ironic is it the method that makes my hair look it's curliest is the one that seems to make my hair fall out the fastest? So I can have great looking hair but only about 5 of them on my head argh!
    2c/3a?
    Low porosity, medium texture.
    http://public.fotki.com/Medusahair/

    If it smells good put it in your hair, if it tastes good spit it out!
  • medusahairmedusahair Posts: 3,515Registered Users
    Lazy loops, I'm back to taking those gnc hair vits myself. I hope you find a supp routine that works for you. I got some fantastic thick hair and hair growth with them in the past so I have my fingers crossed.

    Frustrating as all get out isn't it?

    Let me know if you find something that works for you hon, and good luck!
    2c/3a?
    Low porosity, medium texture.
    http://public.fotki.com/Medusahair/

    If it smells good put it in your hair, if it tastes good spit it out!
  • Hairblogger â„¢Hairblogger â„¢ Posts: 564Registered Users
    It may be autoimmuno related (Alopecia) or stress related. You should see a medical Dermatologist (who is also an in Alopecia specialist) If it is a form of Alopecia (areata, totalise, ets) it may require corticosteroid injection treatment (Kenalog).

    When it is active, that's usually when hairloss occurs, sometimes it can recover spontaneously (within 6-20 months or longer or shorter but it varies from person to person), but if it is an extended or severe episode (with major loss) then the injections may be neccessary to jumpstart re-growth. They inject directly to the scalp where the active thin or bald spot is. it's a little painful sometimes, but if it's autoimmuno related, the Kenalog steroid is the only thing that actually speeds up the recovery or triggers recession of the event.

    Now, it could simply be stress related, but it's best to have a medical assessment to find out for sure. A medical dermatologist will be able to tell you for sure by examining the area, (sometimes they need to do a biopsy if the initial exam is unclear). But either way, doctors are now much more familiar with it and the various forms and know how to help.

    Good luck.
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  • EfrizzabethEfrizzabeth Posts: 8,792Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    medusahair wrote: »
    Lazy loops, I'm back to taking those gnc hair vits myself. I hope you find a supp routine that works for you. I got some fantastic thick hair and hair growth with them in the past so I have my fingers crossed.

    Frustrating as all get out isn't it?

    Let me know if you find something that works for you hon, and good luck!

    Good luck to you as well!
  • curls_aboundcurls_abound Posts: 22Registered Users
    i had the exact same thing happen to me! i think CO can work, but you really have to find the right conditioner. When my HG wash conditioner was discontinued, I started using a no name cheap brand that caused tons of hairloss (handfuls at a time) and left my scalp with itchy/burning sores all over it. it wasn't until i went to a stylist who literally had to scrape build up off my scalp that I made the connection bw the CO and the shedding.

    since then, i've been using an SLS shampoo once a week to really clean my scalp, and my scalp has gone back to normal and the unnatural shedding has stopped. I compensate with more emollient conditioners and leave ins, but i'd rather take slightly dry hair than losing hair the way i was!
  • medusahairmedusahair Posts: 3,515Registered Users
    I hate that it happened to you but I'm so glad you shared! I feel like a freak at my house because my other half can use just any ole thing!

    I did find a natural conditioner that someone had sold me from the swap board, desert essence jojoba, so far I can condition a couple of days with that without having to sls.

    I'm all paranoid now and pay close attention to that stinging/burning sensation. Nasty stuff for hair! I hope my hair grows back in soon. It's sure less time drying though I'll say that for thin hair :laughing7:

    Do all the all natural ones do ok on your scalp curls_abound?
    2c/3a?
    Low porosity, medium texture.
    http://public.fotki.com/Medusahair/

    If it smells good put it in your hair, if it tastes good spit it out!
  • curls_aboundcurls_abound Posts: 22Registered Users
    the only brand of natural conditioner I used (the first one I tried and it became a HG!) was avalon organics mint thyme conditioner, but unfotunately once they added the really bad c-cone (i'll never be able to spell it out!), I had to find alternatives. I think the key is probably the least number of "unnatural" ingredients? I think as long as you're paying attention to build up/shedding, you should be fine. :)

    I;'ve definitely become wayyyy more concious of the way my scalp reacts to different products. If it starts to burn even a little or if I see more hair than normal when I detangle, I stop using it immediately.
  • Curly Girl FlaCurly Girl Fla Posts: 1,834Registered Users Curl Connoisseur
    I've heard alot of good things about this company and their products...was thinking about the poo and co for myself, along with some other stuff :rolleyes:, although currently I don't have scalp issues...the USD prices are reasonable, but I don't know how outrageous shipping would be. Just fyi:

    http://www.moogoo.com.au/category5_1.htm
  • medusahairmedusahair Posts: 3,515Registered Users
    Thanks for the link, I'm going to check them out!

    That sucks that they changed the formula.
    My beloved peach conditioner is making me itch grrrr!!!
    The conditioner I'm using for a rinse out is real light so I have to use a rich leave in but at least I have a few things I can use without problems I suppose.

    You're right you pay real close attention to how your hair and scalp react after a bad reaction!
    2c/3a?
    Low porosity, medium texture.
    http://public.fotki.com/Medusahair/

    If it smells good put it in your hair, if it tastes good spit it out!
  • medusahairmedusahair Posts: 3,515Registered Users
    I found a gel that didn't make me itch or hair fall out woohoo! HEBE is looking fab in my hair! Oh oh and I can use boots white version. Yay!
    I'm still using that light jojoba desert essence for a rinse out. I'd worry that it's so light but my hair is doing well with a thicker say curl creme or leave in so I'll just be thankful my hair is staying put! :wink:

    I Have some baby hairs that are growing in, some of them are white dang it! what a mean trick! I get my hair back but they sneak in some grey/white whatever color that is. With the hair vits it's growing in pretty quickly so I'll be getting another bottle of the gnc women's hair thingamajigs again.

    What a relief! Now I can just concentrate on good hair days and oh oh finding a no wheat real natural shampoo that works. I'm still working on that.

    I hope in a year I'm complaining how thick my hair is! Thanks for all the support everyone, ya'll are the greatest!
    2c/3a?
    Low porosity, medium texture.
    http://public.fotki.com/Medusahair/

    If it smells good put it in your hair, if it tastes good spit it out!
  • msgibletmsgiblet Posts: 5,825Registered Users
    :cheers: Glad to hear things are turning around for you! And I know what you mean about those grey/white thingamabobs -- in fact, I have to go to the stylist soon and make those things disappear!! :wink:
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  • crimsonshedemoncrimsonshedemon Posts: 2,098Registered Users
    If you haven't seen a dermatologist, you should. Hair loss can be a symptom of greater health issues.

    Are you getting enough protein in your diet? I have lupus and stomach issues from it and when I can't eat, my hair falls out. Doctor said the lack of protein is the cause.

    I don't scrub my scalp either. So far, no problems... my stylist doesn't even know I don't use shampoo.
  • Curly Girl FlaCurly Girl Fla Posts: 1,834Registered Users Curl Connoisseur
    MH-thank goodness you found something that works for you! I have the BE gel and mousse, and you can't beat it for the price, either. It may not be a bad idea to see a dr, or at least make mention of these issues during a check-up just for ease-of-mind sake, but it seems you're up on what causes what with you. We don't wanna be worrying about you! Take care...J
  • medusahairmedusahair Posts: 3,515Registered Users
    My doctor is no help. He said it was my age. Forget that it came up suddenly and that I lost tons of hair right?

    I hate paying them to tell me nothing, makes me want to hold him down and put nair on his head.

    They test my thyroid off and on because it runs in my family but they always tell me I"m fine. My mom went on like this for year and years before her eyes got so big she couldn't close them. She went to an eye doctor that recognized that it was her thyroid causing it.

    That reminds me, gonna call my mom and tell her to take her genes back LOL
    2c/3a?
    Low porosity, medium texture.
    http://public.fotki.com/Medusahair/

    If it smells good put it in your hair, if it tastes good spit it out!

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