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Deep treatment questions

So my Puerto Rican friend with like three feet of curly, yet wirey, discolored, damaged hair has decided to seek my advice in hair care. :D She's going to get it cut shortly (I mentioned Deva to her, since we live in Manhattan, but I don't expect her to shell out that kind of money), and so I took her on a drug store tour around Morningside Heights to educate her about everything I've learned here. I pointed out the bad things she should stay away from, and recommended some gentler cleansers and co-wash products and really moisturizing conditioners. She definitely needs a DT, though, so for her birthday I'm going to get her one from CurlMart. Here are my questions!

1. Any recommendations? She has a LOT of thick, coarse hair that needs a major restorative miracle. She isn't planning on DTing until she gets her cut, though; she'd probably need handfuls of product for her hair length now. Still, I'd like to get her something that will last more than a few applications.

2. What's the deal with heat and DTs? Is heat a major component in a DT? She lives in a suite with guys so I'd like to spare her the experience of buying and wearing a heatcap once a week.

Ideally, there's something out there that can work major restorative magic on her hair in ten minutes at a time, although I don't think she's opposed to doing overnight DTs. But I'd love to hear what you guys have to say. :bounce:
Location: North NJ or NYC

Comments

  • onegirlarmyonegirlarmy Posts: 90Registered Users
    How cool that your helping your friend out with this. I wish I could have some curly friends irl :bounce:

    Anyway, I don't know anything about the DTs on curlmart. I use coconut oil and absolutely love it. Maybe that could be an option if local would be more convenient. Oh, I have heard good things about [buylink=http://www.curlmart.com/Jessicurl-Weekly-Deep-Conditioning-Treatment-p-106.html?utm_source=naturallycurly.com&utm_medium=text-link&utm_content=curltalk-post-text&utm_campaign=jessicurl-weekly-deep-conditioner-treatment]Jessicurl WDT[/buylink] though.

    I think the deal with using heat with a DT is for penetration. You don't necessarily need it, but it probably is pretty helpful especially if your hair is more damaged.
  • echokittenechokitten Posts: 1,751Registered Users
    Jessicurl Weekly Deep Treatment ....it's a miracle worker. You can use it as a DT and as a leave in under gel for really dry/damaged hair. I use it as a leave in, plus since you are in NY look for Shea Moisture Leave In Condotioner ...again --miracle product!
    Any NY curlies out there to point mysteryflav to a store that sells SheaMoisture?
    If no one chimes in you can order it online
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  • mysteryflavoredmysteryflavored Posts: 1,271Registered Users
    echokitten wrote:
    Jessicurl Weekly Deep Treatment ....it's a miracle worker. You can use it as a DT and as a leave in under gel for really dry/damaged hair. I use it as a leave in, plus since you are in NY look for Shea Moisture Leave In Condotioner ...again --miracle product!
    Any NY curlies out there to point mysteryflav to a store that sells SheaMoisture?
    If no one chimes in you can order it online
    HERE

    Ah yeah, I'm leaning towards the WDT. The other one I was looking at was the CJ Hibiscus and Banana one.

    And.. look at my siggy! I got the SheaM a couple weeks ago and love it. I don't have time to go all the way downtown to the place that sells it, so I just closed my eyes and paid for shipping. I'm going to let her try a bit of mine out sometime soonish.
    Location: North NJ or NYC
  • RoRo Posts: 150Registered Users
    I love [buylink=http://www.curlmart.com/Jessicurl-Weekly-Deep-Conditioning-Treatment-p-106.html?utm_source=naturallycurly.com&utm_medium=text-link&utm_content=curltalk-post-text&utm_campaign=jessicurl-weekly-deep-conditioner-treatment]Jessicurl WDT[/buylink] -- just pampered myself today!! :love1:

    I've also read great things about Ojon Restorative Treatment (I think that's the name), but have never tried it myself.

    It's probably a good idea to wait until after the chop to DT to save on product. She's going to feel like a new woman!!

    Good luck and keep us posted... :toothy2:
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  • mysteryflavoredmysteryflavored Posts: 1,271Registered Users
    I have the Ojon, and I love it. She doesn't like the smell, though. Aaand I'm not about to spend that kinda money.. again. :laughing9:
    Location: North NJ or NYC
  • SuburbanbushbabeSuburbanbushbabe Posts: 15,402Registered Users
    It's cheap but effective - Lustrasilk Sheabutter cholesterol. Good on its own or mix with honey and a little oil for even deeper treatment. Good with or without heat.

    For a really nice conditioning treat, John Masters Citrus/Neroli Detangler. And lest she think that all the good products are expensive - Suave Toasted Vanilla and Sugar conditioner for cowashing. I'm loving it.
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  • RoRo Posts: 150Registered Users
    OOPS!! Forgot the "Love is in the Hair" recipe from Massey's CG book...

    In case you don't have it -- here it is:

    4 T. olive or almond oil
    4 T. conditioner
    2-3 drops essential oil

    Mix well and apply to wet hair and gently comb through. Leave in overnight or for several hours during the day. Rinse thoroughly with a combo of conditioner mixed with lemon juice and vinegar.

    This is another great alternative for a DT and cheap!! :happy2:
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  • mysteryflavoredmysteryflavored Posts: 1,271Registered Users
    It's cheap but effective - Lustrasilk Sheabutter cholesterol. Good on its own or mix with honey and a little oil for even deeper treatment. Good with or without heat.

    For a really nice conditioning treat, John Masters Citrus/Neroli Detangler. And lest she think that all the good products are expensive - Suave Toasted Vanilla and Sugar conditioner for cowashing. I'm loving it.
    3 feet of hair -- luck byotch
    

    I think I spotted the Lustrasilk in a Rite-Aid a couple blocks away; I'll have to check that out again. Unfortunately, the only Suave co's I can find in the immediate area are the Coconut, Ocean Breeze, Citrus Smoothie... and that might be it. Are there non-silk proteins in the Toasted Vanilla?
    Location: North NJ or NYC
  • tschocktschock Posts: 101Registered Users
    I just recently tried the [buylink=http://www.curlmart.com/Jessicurl-Weekly-Deep-Conditioning-Treatment-p-106.html?utm_source=naturallycurly.com&utm_medium=text-link&utm_content=curltalk-post-text&utm_campaign=jessicurl-weekly-deep-conditioner-treatment]Jessicurl WDT[/buylink] and, as someone else mentioned, it's a miracle worker! I have really coarse, wiry hair that is superdry. After one use, this stuff made my hair shiny and soft. I got it in the trial pack...I'm definitely going to order the larger size.

    I've tried Ojon and, for me, it doesn't even compare to [buylink=http://www.curlmart.com/Jessicurl-Weekly-Deep-Conditioning-Treatment-p-106.html?utm_source=naturallycurly.com&utm_medium=text-link&utm_content=curltalk-post-text&utm_campaign=jessicurl-weekly-deep-conditioner-treatment]JC WDT[/buylink]. I never really noticed a difference after using it. Plus, I think the smell of Ojon is horrible. I know that some like it, but I can't stand it!
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  • msgibletmsgiblet Posts: 5,825Registered Users
    I have to also cast a vote for [buylink=http://www.curlmart.com/Jessicurl-Weekly-Deep-Conditioning-Treatment-p-106.html?utm_source=naturallycurly.com&utm_medium=text-link&utm_content=curltalk-post-text&utm_campaign=jessicurl-weekly-deep-conditioner-treatment]Jessicurl WDT[/buylink] - it's great stuff. On my next CurlMart order, though, I'm going to order the CJ Guava & Protein Deep Fix. It sounds as if you get both protein and the moisture you need from this one, so I think it sounds like a good one to alternate with. Since you say your friend has damaged hair, she might need some protein and this might be a good option for her.
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  • internetchickinternetchick Posts: 6,191Registered Users
    Since her hair is very damaged, I would suggest a protein DT and then a moisturizing. I do love Jessicurl for moisturizing, and she could easily find a recipe online for protein treatments. Usually they involve using mayonnaise. My hair is prone to dryness, so using heat is a must for me.
  • SuburbanbushbabeSuburbanbushbabe Posts: 15,402Registered Users

    I think I spotted the Lustrasilk in a Rite-Aid a couple blocks away; I'll have to check that out again. Unfortunately, the only Suave co's I can find in the immediate area are the Coconut, Ocean Breeze, Citrus Smoothie... and that might be it. Are there non-silk proteins in the Toasted Vanilla?

    Not all Suave Natural conditioners are created equal. Citrus Smoothie is good if she doesn't color and if she's okay with a fairly strong fragrance. It took me forevah to find the Toasted Vanilla but worth it. Found it at Walmart.

    Ingredients:Water (Aqua), Cetyl Alcohol, Cetrimonium Chloride, Fragrance (Parfum), Potassium Chloride, Distearyldimonium Chloride, Disodium EDTA, DMDM Hydantoin, Silk Powder, Tocopheryl Acetate (Vitmain E Acetate), Methylchloroisothiazolinone, Methylisothiazolinone, Vanilla Planifolia Extract (Vanilla Planifolia), Sweet Almond Extract (Prunus Amygdalus Dulcis), Orange 4 (CI 15510)
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  • mysteryflavoredmysteryflavored Posts: 1,271Registered Users

    I think I spotted the Lustrasilk in a Rite-Aid a couple blocks away; I'll have to check that out again. Unfortunately, the only Suave co's I can find in the immediate area are the Coconut, Ocean Breeze, Citrus Smoothie... and that might be it. Are there non-silk proteins in the Toasted Vanilla?

    Not all Suave Natural conditioners are created equal. Citrus Smoothie is good if she doesn't color and if she's okay with a fairly strong fragrance. It took me forevah to find the Toasted Vanilla but worth it. Found it at Walmart.

    Ingredients:Water (Aqua), Cetyl Alcohol, Cetrimonium Chloride, Fragrance (Parfum), Potassium Chloride, Distearyldimonium Chloride, Disodium EDTA, DMDM Hydantoin, Silk Powder, Tocopheryl Acetate (Vitmain E Acetate), Methylchloroisothiazolinone, Methylisothiazolinone, Vanilla Planifolia Extract (Vanilla Planifolia), Sweet Almond Extract (Prunus Amygdalus Dulcis), Orange 4 (CI 15510)

    Thanks. I was asking about the silk for me -- my hair doesn't seem to mind silk proteins at all, and that Toasted Vanilla sounds mighty yummy. My friend picked up Suave Coconut for co-washing, I guess because she'd used it in the past for regular conditioning and liked the smell.

    As for everyone else, thanks! I'm leaning towards getting her the Jessicurl, and then giving her some recipes for homemade DTs. I can't wait to see what kind of curl she has... :happy2:
    Location: North NJ or NYC
  • rose's ringletsrose's ringlets Posts: 119Registered Users
    msgiblet wrote
    I'm going to order the CJ Guava & Protein Deep Fix.

    I've got a jar about 55-60% full. Got anything you would like to swap for it? I liked it, but it didn't knock me out. When I need protein (not so much lately, as my hair is healthier) I use a little Ouidad DT (insanely expensive, but I use much less than she recommends) followed by B2B Pomegranite Peach with some jojoba oil.

    Other DTs I like are CJ HB and I've recently fallen for Regis Olive oil conditioner with is rich enough to use as a DT.

    echokitten wrote
    plus since you are in NY look for Shea Moisture Leave In Condotioner ...again --miracle product!
    Any NY curlies out there to point mysteryflav to a store that sells SheaMoisture?

    Took 3 tries, but I found it a couple of days ago in my neighborhood in Queens. A beauty supply store on the corner of Roosevelt Ave and 76th St.
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  • msgibletmsgiblet Posts: 5,825Registered Users
    msgiblet wrote
    I'm going to order the CJ Guava & Protein Deep Fix.

    I've got a jar about 55-60% full. Got anything you would like to swap for it? I liked it, but it didn't knock me out. When I need protein (not so much lately, as my hair is healthier) I use a little Ouidad DT (insanely expensive, but I use much less than she recommends) followed by B2B Pomegranite Peach with some jojoba oil.

    Other DTs I like are CJ HB and I've recently fallen for Regis Olive oil conditioner with is rich enough to use as a DT.

    Hmmm, if you don't think it's that good, maybe I shouldn't get it. I just need a good protein DT to use a couple times a month. I like the [buylink=http://www.curlmart.com/Jessicurl-Weekly-Deep-Conditioning-Treatment-p-106.html?utm_source=naturallycurly.com&utm_medium=text-link&utm_content=curltalk-post-text&utm_campaign=jessicurl-weekly-deep-conditioner-treatment]Jessicurl WDT[/buylink] for a moisturizing DT. My stylist is always bugging me to get the Ouidad DT -- she says it's worth the price. Do you agree? I'm not ordering anything until, hopefully, CurlMart has a Thanksgiving sale, so I've got a little time to make a decision.
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  • jeamariajeamaria Posts: 1,851Registered Users
    Wow, your friend has tons of hair! I'm always amazed at how some people's hair can grow to amazing lengths even when severely damaged; once my hair gets even slightly damaged it just snaps right off!

    Anyway, I second the rec for the Sheabutter Cholesterol. The Olive one is also nice. Make sure you get Lustrasilk and not Lekair- their packaging is similar but the latter are not CG. Actually, even in Lustrasilk, only the Shea butter and the Olive ones are actually CG and very effective. Plus they come in 20 oz containers and only cost like $3; great for lots of thick, dry, long hair.

    BTW, if she really needs *deep* conditioning, then she is going to have to leave the conditioner on for more than 10 minutes. The DT will need anywhere from 15 to 30 minutes to penetrate, sometimes even more, depending on the product and whether heat is used or not. Instant DTs are not really deep treatments; they just stick on the outside of the hair shaft. They can be beneficial, they just won't go deep into the hair like damaged strands tend to need.

    If she wants to be discreet, she can always put a hat over the saran wrap/shower cap/plastic bag. It will help the DT to absorb, too!

    Oh and for overnight DTs, coconut oil has made a lot of difference to my hair. HTH
  • rose's ringletsrose's ringlets Posts: 119Registered Users
    msgiblet wrote
    My stylist is always bugging me to get the Ouidad DT -- she says it's worth the price. Do you agree?

    Worth the price? Hard to say, since I've only purchased it during the 2oz promotion and from ebay. I've also done a couple of MUA swaps for it. But it is amazing stuff and one day I'll probably wind up paying full price for it.

    I think the key is how you use it. Ouidad recommends using 2 oz per treatment. That's an awful lot. I saturate my hair with it (after cowashing) and I use about a half an oz. The other VERY important thing is to moisturize afterwards to avoid protein buildup. The instructions say to put a moisturizing conditioner on top of the deep treatment, but I rinse out the DT, blot dry with my microfiber towel and then slather on B2B pom peach and jojoba oil, which I sleep with. The shine the next da is amazing!
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