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Are you more spiritual or religious?

CoilyCoily Posts: 96Registered Users
Poll here. Just curious.
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  • AmnerisAmneris Posts: 15,117Registered Users
    both - for me they are connected.
    Get used to me. Black, confident, cocky; my name, not yours; my religion, not yours; my goals, my own; get used to me. -Muhammad Ali


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  • SystemSystem Posts: 39,059 Administrator
    Amneris wrote:
    both - for me they are connected.

    ITA :D
  • MarMar Posts: 3,003Registered Users
    Spiritual
    "what's so funny 'bout peace, love and understanding?"



    "If you judge people,you have no time to love them"
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  • CoilyCoily Posts: 96Registered Users
    Me, too Mar.
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  • LisaAnnLisaAnn Posts: 436Registered Users
    I was thinking she meant ..

    Religious - an established, recognized religion. ie christianity, islam, judiasm etc

    Spiritual - the belief that a higher power exists but not following an established doctrine.
  • MarMar Posts: 3,003Registered Users
    But-I DO love my "religion",too:)
    "what's so funny 'bout peace, love and understanding?"



    "If you judge people,you have no time to love them"
    -Mother Theresa
  • CurlyCanadianCurlyCanadian Posts: 10,771Registered Users Curl Dabbler
    LisaAnn wrote:
    I was thinking she meant ..

    Religious - an established, recognized religion. ie christianity, muslim, judiasm etc

    Spiritual - the belief that a higher power exists but not following an established doctrine.

    Thats how I understood the question and picked spiritual.
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  • dia99dia99 Posts: 1,998Registered Users
    I think I am (or at least really, really strive to be) more Biblical. I suscribe to some customs which are religious if they coincide with Biblical teachings (my understanding of Biblical teachings as a whole - not people who take certain Scriptures out of context).

    I believe in fellowshipping with a body of believers - I do this at a church, and I don't really care about the denomination. I care about whether or not the Word is brought forth. All of the customs that come out of different denominations are "religious," I guess, but I don't let it bother me if there are a few theological issues I have with some of the customs. I let my opinion (Scripturally-based, of course) be known, then relax. There is no perfect person, there will be no perfect church.

    I am spiritual in that I believe the Holy Spirit dwells in me, and that I have direct access to God through Jesus Christ. I read the Word on my own, pray on my own, try to live pleasing to God on my own, and basically do everything individually that I would do in a church setting.
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  • AmnerisAmneris Posts: 15,117Registered Users
    Oh. The Christian definition of spirituality is very different and that's the one I follow.
    Get used to me. Black, confident, cocky; my name, not yours; my religion, not yours; my goals, my own; get used to me. -Muhammad Ali


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  • CoilyCoily Posts: 96Registered Users
    A spiritual Christian.
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  • SystemSystem Posts: 39,059 Administrator
    Sorry! :oops: I was going with the definition - concerned with or affecting the spirit or soul, concerned with sacred matters or religion or the church

    Now do you see why it was hard for me to seperate the two? :wink: :D
  • gemidevigemidevi Posts: 510Registered Users
    LisaAnn wrote:
    I was thinking she meant ..

    Religious - an established, recognized religion. ie christianity, muslim, judiasm etc

    Spiritual - the belief that a higher power exists but not following an established doctrine.

    not to be picky or anything, but the religion is Islam, those who follow it are muslim...
    *disclaimer* spelling, grammatical and psychological errors are for your enjoyment. :)
  • skywatcherskywatcher Posts: 429Registered Users
    LisaAnn wrote:
    I was thinking she meant ..

    Religious - an established, recognized religion. ie christianity, muslim, judiasm etc

    Spiritual - the belief that a higher power exists but not following an established doctrine.

    Thats how I understood the question and picked spiritual.
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  • AmnerisAmneris Posts: 15,117Registered Users
    Sorry! :oops: I was going with the definition - concerned with or affecting the spirit or soul, concerned with sacred matters or religion or the church

    Now do you see why it was hard for me to seperate the two? :wink: :D

    to me spirituality is the foundation or basis for how you live your life - and as a Christian that is Christ. Spirituality is your prayer life, prayer journal, meditation, religious study etc. while religion is the more formalized worship, doctrine and Sacraments. I believe you need both about equally to be a Christian.
    Get used to me. Black, confident, cocky; my name, not yours; my religion, not yours; my goals, my own; get used to me. -Muhammad Ali


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  • LisaAnnLisaAnn Posts: 436Registered Users
    gemidevi wrote:
    LisaAnn wrote:
    I was thinking she meant ..

    Religious - an established, recognized religion. ie christianity, muslim, judiasm etc

    Spiritual - the belief that a higher power exists but not following an established doctrine.

    not to be picky or anything, but the religion is Islam, those who follow it are muslim...

    Whoops my bad! I'll change
  • SystemSystem Posts: 39,059 Administrator
    Amneris wrote:
    Sorry! :oops: I was going with the definition - concerned with or affecting the spirit or soul, concerned with sacred matters or religion or the church

    Now do you see why it was hard for me to seperate the two? :wink: :D

    to me spirituality is the foundation or basis for how you live your life - and as a Christian that is Christ. Spirituality is your prayer life, prayer journal, meditation, religious study etc. while religion is the more formalized worship, doctrine and Sacraments. I believe you need both about equally to be a Christian.

    That is how I apply it in my personal life too. They go hand in hand. Spirituality is the essence of your beliefs, your soul and spirit. Religion is your belief in God. Maybe our thinking is different from other's perspectives because we have been brought up in atmospheres and a formalized religion that has taught us that our belief in God is dependent on our spirituality. I hope that made sense :? :D
  • AmnerisAmneris Posts: 15,117Registered Users
    and in a way, when it comes down to it, it is about actions. If you feed a hungry person in the name of Christ, is it a religious act because you are following the Bible and what your priest/pastor/minister/Pope said, or is it a spiritual act because it comes out of prayer and a personal belief in the sanctity of life/people made in the image of God, etc? It is both... and this is why I can't separate the two.
    Get used to me. Black, confident, cocky; my name, not yours; my religion, not yours; my goals, my own; get used to me. -Muhammad Ali


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  • SystemSystem Posts: 39,059 Administrator
    Amneris -

    Do you think what we are trying to describe comes down to this:

    Spirtuality comes from within ourselves and Religion is from without (as you said: "Bible and what your priest/pastor/minister/Pope")
  • M2LRM2LR Posts: 8,630Registered Users
    LisaAnn wrote:
    I was thinking she meant ..

    Religious - an established, recognized religion. ie christianity, islam, judiasm etc

    Spiritual - the belief that a higher power exists but not following an established doctrine.

    That's what I took it as as well.
    :rambo:
  • AmnerisAmneris Posts: 15,117Registered Users
    Amneris -

    Do you think what we are trying to describe comes down to this:

    Spirtuality comes from within ourselves and Religion is from without (as you said: "Bible and what your priest/pastor/minister/Pope")

    yes, you could put it that way, but true religion is also internalized - it begins without as something you are taught, but becomes what you feel.
    Get used to me. Black, confident, cocky; my name, not yours; my religion, not yours; my goals, my own; get used to me. -Muhammad Ali


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  • spiderlashes5000spiderlashes5000 Posts: 17,495Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    They are interconnected for me, too. Can't separate.

  • SystemSystem Posts: 39,059 Administrator
    Amneris wrote:
    Amneris -

    Do you think what we are trying to describe comes down to this:

    Spirtuality comes from within ourselves and Religion is from without (as you said: "Bible and what your priest/pastor/minister/Pope")

    yes, you could put it that way, but true religion is also internalized - it begins without as something you are taught, but becomes what you feel.

    Religion when lived, through thought, action and emotion, is internalized and therefore becomes the essence of the persons soul and spirit (spirituality) :D Wow, this was a hard one for me to verbalize. Thanks for the help Amneris. I was able to learn something about myself. I love that :D
  • Oregano  (formerly babywavy)Oregano (formerly babywavy) Posts: 5,297Registered Users
    I feel that spirituality is what many of you described as being either spirituality OR religion.

    Spirituality is you're belief in another higher power. It is your belief of who or what is responsible for all creation and energy. It is your soul and heart, and your belief of a higher power, being, or entity.

    Religion is the church. It is the history, and the rules you follow, as well as the traditions and ceremonies you practice. It's the guideline you are given to follow.

    For example:
    A Catholics' spirituality is their belief and faith in God, and Christ. Their religion is their being baptized, attending mass, praying to particular Saints.

    I am very spiritual, but do not consider myself religious. I believe that you can have one without the other.
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  • dia99dia99 Posts: 1,998Registered Users
    I agree that you can have spirituality without religion. But, I think religion can and does help a lot of people to stay committed and focus to the ideals they hold spiritually. Being involved with a church that does mission work, feeds the poor, etc, helps someone who believes that is God's will for them to have a group of people to do it with, and also a human accountability system to help stay focused on what they believe to be the truth.

    You can also have religion without spirituality. This is people who go to church (or group, meeting, mosque, etc) with no relationship or true belief in the ideals set forth by the religion.

    I wouldn't want to have to choose between religion and relationship (spirituality). I think God gave us religion to help us with our personal spiritual journeys, and it is a tool. But, if I had to choose one it would always be spirituality over religion.
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  • SystemSystem Posts: 39,059 Administrator
    I feel that spirituality is what many of you described as being either spirituality OR religion.

    Spirituality is you're belief in another higher power. It is your belief of who or what is responsible for all creation and energy. It is your soul and heart, and your belief of a higher power, being, or entity.

    Religion is the church. It is the history, and the rules you follow, as well as the traditions and ceremonies you practice. It's the guideline you are given to follow.

    For example:
    A Catholics' spirituality is their belief and faith in God, and Christ. Their religion is their being baptized, attending mass, praying to particular Saints.

    I am very spiritual, but do not consider myself religious. I believe that you can have one without the other.

    I understand exactly what you mean. So, far me I should go w/ Religion because it has become my spirituality. Kind of the chicken or the egg :lol:
  • CostenyaCostenya Posts: 520Registered Users
    Hmmm...this is a complicated question.

    I would have to agree with Dia in that I define myself as Biblical, which to some who be a combination of religious and spiritual. I don't like the word "religious" because it conjures up images of legalistic and overzealous behavior. A religious Christian follows rules only, a spiritual Christian walks and is led by the Spirit. I would categorize myself as the latter. This does not mean that we are exempt from "rules" and principles that govern Christian life. But, my spiritual life isn't just about following a set of prescribe rules but of having a relationship with God, which is the product of a Spirit-led life.

    I follow church traditions only if they are founded on Biblical truths and principles. I think a lot of what's going on today in the [Christinan] church is church "culture" that's being passed off as the way to be a Christian.

    I believe it's possible to have "spirituality" without having religion. Look around.

    However, my spirituality is governed by the Holy Spirit through the Word of God.
  • ScaryCurlScaryCurl Posts: 138Registered Users
    dia99 wrote:
    I think I am (or at least really, really strive to be) more Biblical. I suscribe to some customs which are religious if they coincide with Biblical teachings (my understanding of Biblical teachings as a whole - not people who take certain Scriptures out of context).

    I believe in fellowshipping with a body of believers - I do this at a church, and I don't really care about the denomination. I care about whether or not the Word is brought forth. All of the customs that come out of different denominations are "religious," I guess, but I don't let it bother me if there are a few theological issues I have with some of the customs. I let my opinion (Scripturally-based, of course) be known, then relax. There is no perfect person, there will be no perfect church.

    I am spiritual in that I believe the Holy Spirit dwells in me, and that I have direct access to God through Jesus Christ. I read the Word on my own, pray on my own, try to live pleasing to God on my own, and basically do everything individually that I would do in a church setting.

    That's me to a "T."
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  • Oregano  (formerly babywavy)Oregano (formerly babywavy) Posts: 5,297Registered Users
    Costenya wrote:
    Hmmm...this is a complicated question.

    I would have to agree with Dia in that I define myself as Biblical, which to some who be a combination of religious and spiritual. I don't like the word "religious" because it conjures up images of legalistic and overzealous behavior. A religious Christian follows rules only, a spiritual Christian walks and is led by the Spirit. I would categorize myself as the latter. This does not mean that we are exempt from "rules" and principles that govern Christian life. But, my spiritual life isn't just about following a set of prescribe rules but of having a relationship with God, which is the product of a Spirit-led life.

    I follow church traditions only if they are founded on Biblical truths and principles. I think a lot of what's going on today in the [Christinan] church is church "culture" that's being passed off as the way to be a Christian.

    I believe it's possible to have "spirituality" without having religion. Look around.

    However, my spirituality is governed by the Holy Spirit through the Word of God.

    Exactly.
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  • spiderlashes5000spiderlashes5000 Posts: 17,495Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    In the book Religion for Dummies (or is it Idiot's Guide to Religion?) they are defined in the following way...I'm paraphrasing:

    spirituality - your perceived role in the universe, your connection with the cosmos, your explanation of the mysteries of life, your belief (possibly) in the existence of a divine being(s)

    religion - the organized teaching and practice of a set of spiritual beliefs, worship of a devine being(s) or higher power, customs, rituals, traditions and rules for memership in a group that practices as you do, possibly a holy/sacred text that outlines your beliefs

    So, basically, spirituality is nonorganized, nonformal personal beliefs. Religion is structured, formal and inclusive.

  • mazeymazey Posts: 709Registered Users
    So, basically, spirituality is nonorganized, nonformal personal beliefs. Religion is structured, formal and inclusive.

    That’s how I defined the two and I picked spiritual, since I do not subscribe to any organized religion.
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