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If everyone answers we will set a record!

I am confused about one thing I guess. I see that many ladies/gents conditioner-wash with CG conditioners (no cones, no proteins, etc.), but then use products with cones and polyquats and proteins in them. They very rarely mention using shampoo (unless it is a sulfate-free shampoo). For example, most of the Garnier Fructis leave-ins and L'Oreal products have cones in them, I think, yet many people use them and then either only water or conditioner wash.

My question is:

(1) How are you getting these styling products out of your hair if you are only washing with conditioner?

I feel like I must be missing something that is so obvious to everyone else. :sad11: Please don't think I am dumb, as I have read the Curly Girl book, and I have been reading on this site for a few months, as well as interacting with many of you....I do love this website!

Thanks for your input.
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  • MagooMagoo Posts: 2,173Registered Users
    I guess I'm the first to answer! Someone can correct me if I'm wrong but I think it basically has to do with how prone your hair is to build up and what builds up on it or not. Some people can use certain cones such as amodimethicone or polyquats and feel that a co-wash gets it out.
    I find that I can use certain polyquats and not get buildup but amodimethicone sticks to my hair like glue!
    3b/c fine, thick, porous, protein sensitive
    Modified CG, CJ Rehab, JCWDT, KCKT, VO5 Chamomile Tea Therapy, CJDF, HEBE Gel/Mousse, Bioinfusion Rosemary Mint shampoo, occasional protein

    Experimenting with BRHG

    "If you want the rainbow, you've gotta put up with the rain"
  • spiderlashes5000spiderlashes5000 Posts: 17,495Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    Protein is not anti-CG. People following the CG routine are encouraged to use protein (per Lorraine Massey).

    But you are right about the other part. Conditioner washes will not remove cones (unless they are the two water-soluable kinds).

    I think there is a lot of confusion and denial going on. LOL

  • jeamariajeamaria Posts: 1,851Registered Users
    Protein is not anti-CG. People following the CG routine are encouraged to use protein (per Lorraine Massey).

    But you are right about the other part. Conditioner washes will not remove cones (unless they are the two water-soluable kinds).

    I think there is a lot of confusion and denial going on. LOL

    Unfortunately, I have to agree with this part.

    People also use conditioning shampoos that contain polyquats that that very shampoo is unable to remove. I had this issue with Elasta QP Creme Conditioning Shampoo, and Creme of Nature. Nice at first, particularly the Elasta QP, but then I started to notice my hair was feeling more built up after shampooing than when I co-washed. Judging by the ingredients list, [buylink=http://www.curlmart.com/DevaCurl-LowPoo-p-54.html?utm_source=naturallycurly.com&utm_medium=text-link&utm_content=curltalk-post-text&utm_campaign=devacurl-devacurl-lowpoo]Deva Low Poo[/buylink] is exactly the same.

    I now use shampoos to clarify ( I use products with polyquats, dimethicone and amodimethicone) that are cocamidopropyl betaine based with *very* short ingredient lists, and no specifically conditioning ingredients.
  • KurlyKarenLeeKurlyKarenLee Posts: 1,048Registered Users
    I don't know. I'm just helping you set the record. :happy2:

    I'm still a new CG and haven't quite figured it all out so I'm still avoiding cones, polyquats, & proteins.
    KurlyKarenLee

    You can say what you want about the South, but you never hear of anyone retiring and moving North.
  • hmkennyhmkenny Posts: 1,409Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    Maybe cones and polyquats and what have you really don't build up on everyone's hair. Maybe some alleged CG-friendly products or ingredients actually do build up on some peoples' hair. Maybe there is some buildup from cones but the level of buildup is such that it does wash away eventually with water and/or cowashes. If you use some cones for a period and then discontinue using them for awhile but you still only cowash, I doubt that you'll be taking those cones to your grave. Perhaps each individual's very unique head of hair responds differently to the vast array of curly cocktails each uses.

    I often see posts wherein people will say they just haven't been having good hair days or their hair just hasn't been curling the way they it used to or it's been frizzy, and then I look in their signature line and lo and behold they're following the CG routine! Maybe their hair needs a good cone treatment!
    3a/medium texture/normal porosity
  • JuicyTubeJuicyTube Posts: 2,369Registered Users
    Proteins, polyquats and water-soluble cones are considered CG friendly. If they use non water-soluble cones then that would be modified CG friendly. Wether they use shampoo or not is their problem. :alien:
    3b-3c CG
  • jeamariajeamaria Posts: 1,851Registered Users
    JuicyTube wrote:
    Proteins, polyquats and water-soluble cones are considered CG friendly. If they use non water-soluble cones then that would be modified CG friendly. Wether they use shampoo or not is their problem. :alien:

    Not all polyquats are considered CG friendly. In fact, most aren't- they suit modified CG ers using cocobetaine or cocamidopropyl betaine shampoos. Conditioner is not going to get them out of anyone's hair.
  • jeamariajeamaria Posts: 1,851Registered Users
    hmkenny wrote:
    Maybe cones and polyquats and what have you really don't build up on everyone's hair. Maybe some alleged CG-friendly products or ingredients actually do build up on some peoples' hair. Maybe there is some buildup from cones but the level of buildup is such that it does wash away eventually with water and/or cowashes. If you use some cones for a period and then discontinue using them for awhile but you still only cowash, I doubt that you'll be taking those cones to your grave. Perhaps each individual's very unique head of hair responds differently to the vast array of curly cocktails each uses.

    I often see posts wherein people will say they just haven't been having good hair days or their hair just hasn't been curling the way they it used to or it's been frizzy, and then I look in their signature line and lo and behold they're following the CG routine! Maybe their hair needs a good cone treatment!

    I agree that some supposedly CG stuff can build up- a lot of CG friendly leave ins do that on my hair. In that respect you're correct, a lot depends on your hair's porosity- some people's hair is very porous and clings to ingredients making them much harder to remove from the hair. Also some people's hair has a very low porosity and does not abosrb products well, resulting in some build up on the surface of the hair.

    However, it's just a fact that some ingredients will not wash out with any conditioner-their chemical nature just makes this impossible. Try co-washing out vaseline for instance.

    I think the people with the hair issues in your last paragraph are probably some of the same folk the OP referred to, who think they are on CG but not. Or maybe they simply haven't found the right products for their curls. And perhaps they could benefit from cones- my hair responds very well to amodimethicone, but I know from experience that I need to keep shampoo in the mix, at least here and there.
  • msgibletmsgiblet Posts: 5,825Registered Users
    jeamaria wrote:
    I agree that some supposedly CG stuff can build up- a lot of CG friendly leave ins do that on my hair. In that respect you're correct, a lot depends on your hair's porosity- some people's hair is very porous and clings to ingredients making them much harder to remove from the hair. Also some people's hair has a very low porosity and does not abosrb products well, resulting in some build up on the surface of the hair.

    And this is exactly why I shampoo. I think because my hair is colored and highlighted, it is so porous that everything clings to it. Even when I have been very strict about avoiding all cones and polyquats, my hair still ends up feeling like it's full of buildup. Once I shampoo, it feels great again. Co-washing never made my hair feel clean no matter how religious I was about avoiding everything. Now, I just try to stay away from most cones, harsh sulfates, use sulfate-free shampoos in between the sulfate pooing and just not shampoo my hair as often -- and lots of DTs!
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  • banjocurlbanjocurl Posts: 1,020Registered Users
    unpoof wrote:
    I am confused about one thing I guess. I see that many ladies/gents conditioner-wash with CG conditioners (no cones, no proteins, etc.), but then use products with cones and polyquats and proteins in them. They very rarely mention using shampoo (unless it is a sulfate-free shampoo). For example, most of the Garnier Fructis leave-ins and L'Oreal products have cones in them, I think, yet many people use them and then either only water or conditioner wash.

    My question is:

    (1) How are you getting these styling products out of your hair if you are only washing with conditioner?

    I feel like I must be missing something that is so obvious to everyone else. :sad11: Please don't think I am dumb, as I have read the Curly Girl book, and I have been reading on this site for a few months, as well as interacting with many of you....I do love this website!

    Thanks for your input.

    well, i am one of these people--i wash w suave naturals and only use shampoo before coloring about once every 5 wks or so. i usually put jojoba oil in wet hair before swimming. then i cowash and use one of the GF CO's as a leavein. i do not seem to get buildup at all.


    here is the list for GF length and strength:
    Ingredients
    Aqua Water , Cetyl Alcohol , PEG-180 , Behentrimonium Chloride , Pyrus Malus Apple Fruit Extract , Amodimethicone , Parfum Fragrance , Cetyl Esters , Lauryl PEG/PPG-18/18 Methicone , Methylparaben , Hydroxyethylcellulose , Lanolin , Niacinamide , Pyridoxine HCL , Trideceth-12 , Citric Acid , Saccharum Officinarum Sugar Cane Extract , Chlorhexidine Dihydrochloride , Cetrimonium Chloride , Linalool , Citrus Limonum Lemon Peel Extract , Camellia Sinensis Camellia Sinensis Leaf Extract

    so it has amodimethicone and that other funky thing but my hair is pretty consistent with this or any GF CO.

    here is curl and shine
    Aqua Water , Cetearyl Alcohol , Amodimethicone , Potato Starch Modified , Behentrimonium Chloride , Pyrus Malus Apple Fruit Extract , Parfum Fragrance , Cetyl Esters , Methylparaben , Lauryl PEG/PPG-18/18 Methicone , Persea Gratissima Avocado Oil , Trideceth-6 , Niacinamide , Pyridoxine HCL , Citric Acid , Prunus Armeniaca Apricot Kernel Oil , Saccharum Officinarum Sugar Cane Extract , Cetrimonium Chloride , Chlorhexidine Dihydrochloride , Poloxamer 407 , Dodecene , Linalool , Butylphenyl Methylpropional , Dimethyl Tin Dineodecyl Ester , Citrus
    Limonum Lemon Peel Extract , Camellia Sinensis Leaf Extract


    and sleek n shine

    Ingredients
    Water Aqua , Cetyl Alcohol , Behentrimonium Chloride , Amodimethicone , Apple Fruit Extract Pyrus Malus , Fragrance Parfum , Cetyl Esters , Lauryl PEG/PPG-18/18 Methicone , Methylparaben , Avocado Oil Persea Gratissima , Niacinamide , Pyridoxine HCL , Trideceth-12 , Citric Acid , Apricot Kernel Oil Prunus Armeniaca , Sugar Cane Extract Saccharum Officinarum , Chlorhexidine Dihydrochloride , Cetrimonium Chloride , Linalool , Butylphenyl Methylpropional , Lemon Peel Extract Citrus Limonum , Camellia Sinensis Leaf Extract Camellia Sinensis


    dry and damaged
    Ingredients
    Water Aqua , Cetyl Alcohol , PEG-180 , Behentrimonium Chloride , Amodimethicone , Pyrus Malus Apple Fruit Extract , Fragrance , Cetyl Esters , Lauryl PEG-PPG-18 18 Methicone , Methylparaben , Hydroxyethylcellulose , Lanolin , Niacinamide , Pyridoxine HCI , Trideceth-12 , Citric Acid , Saccharum Officinarum Sugar Cane Extract , Chlorhexidine Dihydrochloride , Cetrimonium Chloride , Citrus Limonum Lemon Peel Extract , Camellia Sinensis Camellia Sinensis Leaf Extract

    as you can see these ingredient lists are quite similar. My hair reacts pretty much the same to all of them. some get buildup w the amo, but so far so good for me.
    banjo
    Susan suburban NY
    3b going gray, not thick, waist length when wet, a bit below shoulders when dry
    CG since 11/11/04
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    HG: suave and honey for co-wash, deva, i use garnier fructis regular CO's or boots pink or white as leave ins and LA looks sport gel. plop w microfiber turban, then curl towel scrunch, then another turban.i sleep with the turban on. little one minute hair styling videos /home/leaving?target=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fuser%2Flazycurls" class="Popup
  • rejoicingcurlygirlrejoicingcurlygirl Posts: 654Registered Users
    okay i must be a total dork because i have no idea what record you are talking about, someone please tell me :oops:
    3A; I have HG products!
    Curl enhancer: Mop-C curl cream
    DT: Deva Heaven in Hair; JC WDT
    Gel: B&A; Arc Angel
    Conditioner: Deva OneC; JC too shea
    Frizz fighters: CK, JCS C&S
    PW: curlynow
  • SystemSystem Posts: 39,059 Administrator
    I think it comes down to trial and error. 'cause what works for you may not work for someone else!! I use J/A/S/O/N organic shampoo and conditioner that are sufate and 'cone free but occasionally I'll mix the shampoo with Sauve shampoo if my hair is getting gross or something. I shampoo usually once a week or whenever my hair needs it.

    The products I use daily are all Biloage (hyrdating mousse, gel, leave-in conditioner and reconstructing cream) and I've stopped trying to read/decifier the labels because they work well for me.

    Speckla
  • spiderlashes5000spiderlashes5000 Posts: 17,495Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    hmkenny wrote:
    Maybe cones and polyquats and what have you really don't build up on everyone's hair. Maybe some alleged CG-friendly products or ingredients actually do build up on some peoples' hair. Maybe there is some buildup from cones but the level of buildup is such that it does wash away eventually with water and/or cowashes. If you use some cones for a period and then discontinue using them for awhile but you still only cowash, I doubt that you'll be taking those cones to your grave. Perhaps each individual's very unique head of hair responds differently to the vast array of curly cocktails each uses.

    I often see posts wherein people will say they just haven't been having good hair days or their hair just hasn't been curling the way they it used to or it's been frizzy, and then I look in their signature line and lo and behold they're following the CG routine! Maybe their hair needs a good cone treatment!

    Cones aren't the issue. It's the harsh detergents (sulfates, etc.) in so many shampoos that destroy curly hair. I believe most hair likes cones. But the curlier types do not like the sulfates needed to remove most of the cones and te other nonwater-soluable ingredients in some of these products (beeswax, petrolatum, lanolin, mineral oil, etc.)

    One problem is that some wavies have been told they are curly...and would benefit from CG. But CG is more for truly curly, dryish, brittle, fragile curly hair. Some of the women here who are trying the CG routine are just a step or two away from straight hair. And the problems with dryness, dullness, brittlness, don't apply to them and don't need to be "fixed" with the CG routine.

    Another problem is that choosing the right techniqies and product combinations is all trial and error. CG may be a good routine for a particular person, but not every CG-friendly product will be, like jeamaria said. These CG products are all very different because there are so many types of curly hair...different textures, porosity levels, thicknesses, curl pattern, etc.

  • oliviasuloliviasul Posts: 4Registered Users
    Hi I am new to this site and from Ireland, what are yee on about and where did ye get this information from, i saw the book on a link from this page but it is not available in Ireland
  • tinabcurlytinabcurly Posts: 545Registered Users
    I generally only use products that don't have cones & polyquats don't build up on me. If I do use cones, it's a-cone & it takes about a month of daily use before it builds up. I suppose I'm modified CG anyway- I poo whenever I color & if my hair feels like it needs it.

    Strict CG doesn't work for everyone just like cones don't work for everyone. Everyone is different so whatever works for your hair is what you should do.
    3a/b mix
    pw:curlyqs
  • JaxieJaxie Posts: 1,282Registered Users
    oliviasul wrote:
    Hi I am new to this site and from Ireland, what are yee on about and where did ye get this information from, i saw the book on a link from this page but it is not available in Ireland
    Hi Welcome to the site! Many people on here are talking about a hair care routine that can be very specific. Such as no harsh cleansers in their shampoo (if they use shampoo at all) and no silicones in their styling products.
    I'm sorry that the book isn't available in Ireland, would it be possible for you to order it from Amazon.com or the like?
    2c or 3a Cut most of my hair off in July '12 and am working on regrowing it.
  • papayahedpapayahed Posts: 1,282Registered Users
    I hardly ever shampoo my hair and I pay no attention to what is in my hair products. Currently I'm using VO5 mousse, Fruictis gel, BTZ Noodle Head, Redkin Curl Former, some shine stuff, and some other gel stuff. After reading this thread I thought maybe I might have build up and maybe a shampoo is in order. I used Jessiecurl cream cleanser and had a devil of a time getting all the shampoo out - it took forever and was a complete pain in the butt. I guess it really depends on hair type.
  • jeamariajeamaria Posts: 1,851Registered Users
    banjocurl wrote:
    well, i am one of these people--i wash w suave naturals and only use shampoo before coloring about once every 5 wks or so. i usually put jojoba oil in wet hair before swimming. then i cowash and use one of the GF CO's as a leavein. i do not seem to get buildup at all.

    banjocurl, I don't think you are "one of those people" you're clarifying every 5 weeks I got the impression the OP was referring to people on strict CG in the sense that they don't ever shampoo, use non cg products.
  • jeamariajeamaria Posts: 1,851Registered Users
    papayahed wrote:
    I hardly ever shampoo my hair and I pay no attention to what is in my hair products. Currently I'm using VO5 mousse, Fruictis gel, BTZ Noodle Head, Redkin Curl Former, some shine stuff, and some other gel stuff. After reading this thread I thought maybe I might have build up and maybe a shampoo is in order. I used Jessiecurl cream cleanser and had a devil of a time getting all the shampoo out - it took forever and was a complete pain in the butt. I guess it really depends on hair type.

    I agree with the bolded. I think it's also a matter of time, for some people buildup occurs within a matter of days, some people several months. How often do you define "hardly ever"?

    Also, I was thinking maybe some people actually like the effect of the buildup on their hair. Especially with certain silicones, it might give a smoothing effect which products that rinse more cleanly might not be able to provide. So providing they rinse often enough/don't exceed a certain amount of product, maybe the build up is just enough to promote manageability, without causing gunky/suffocated/weighed down/greasy hair.
  • multicultcurlymulticultcurly Posts: 5,132Registered Users
    I agree with Spiderlashes' post about the CG routine. As we all know from this board, curly hair, even with a similar pattern, is not the same. I would say I am modified CG. I don't use sulfate shampoos because they do tend to make my hair dry. My conditioner --JC Too Shea-- does not contain silicones. I have used conditioners with cones and my hair is fine, but I find that my hair responds better to JC because of the lotion-like consistency of it. I sometimes use a styling product--BB [buylink=http://www.curlmart.com/Blended-Beauty-Curly-Frizz-Pudding-p-376.html?utm_source=naturallycurly.com&utm_medium=text-link&utm_content=curltalk-post-text&utm_campaign=blended-beauty-curly-frizz-pudding]Curly Frizz Pudding[/buylink]--which does not contain silicones.
    I have tried the CG routine in the past, but it does horrible things for me. I have a naturally oily scalp and hair that tends to collect build-up quickly. Plus I never brush my hair. The top part of my hair looked coated and greasy and after about three days of not shampooing my hair begins to frizz. Btw, I use [buylink=http://www.curlmart.com/Jessicurl-Hair-Cleansing-Cream-p-103.html?utm_source=naturallycurly.com&utm_medium=text-link&utm_content=curltalk-post-text&utm_campaign=jessicurl-hair-cleansing-cream]JC Hair Cleansing cream[/buylink] and typically use a light layer of olive oil/rosemary oil as a styling product.
    3b/c, medium-coarse, low porosity, high density
    HG: Jessicurl Too Shea and Kinky Curly Curling Custard
    Shampoo: nonsulfate shampoo and Suave Naturals sulfate shampoo when needed
  • jeamariajeamaria Posts: 1,851Registered Users
    I agree with Spiderlashes' post about the CG routine. As we all know from this board, curly hair, even with a similar pattern, is not the same. I would say I am modified CG. I don't use sulfate shampoos because they do tend to make my hair dry. My conditioner --JC Too Shea-- does not contain silicones. I have used conditioners with cones and my hair is fine, but I find that my hair responds better to JC because of the lotion-like consistency of it. I sometimes use a styling product--BB [buylink=http://www.curlmart.com/Blended-Beauty-Curly-Frizz-Pudding-p-376.html?utm_source=naturallycurly.com&utm_medium=text-link&utm_content=curltalk-post-text&utm_campaign=blended-beauty-curly-frizz-pudding]Curly Frizz Pudding[/buylink]--which does not contain silicones.

    What do you mean by lotion-like? Is this as opposed to creamy (i.e. lighter), or do you mean it's more emollient than other conditioners? TIA
  • multicultcurlymulticultcurly Posts: 5,132Registered Users
    Jeamaria -- I meant as in the feel of lotion. [buylink=http://www.curlmart.com/Jessicurl-Too-Shea-Extra-Moisturizing-Conditioner-p-105.html?utm_source=naturallycurly.com&utm_medium=text-link&utm_content=curltalk-post-text&utm_campaign=jessicurl-too-shea-extra-moisturizing-conditioner]JC Too shea[/buylink] is thick and creamy. I would also say that the Dove Moisturizing conditioner has a similar feel and texture. I find that [buylink=http://www.curlmart.com/Jessicurl-Too-Shea-Extra-Moisturizing-Conditioner-p-105.html?utm_source=naturallycurly.com&utm_medium=text-link&utm_content=curltalk-post-text&utm_campaign=jessicurl-too-shea-extra-moisturizing-conditioner]Too Shea[/buylink] is more moisturizing and heavier than most conditioners. Conditoners that are light and liquidy do not work for me. I need a lot of moisture and tend to use my conditioner as a styling product.
    3b/c, medium-coarse, low porosity, high density
    HG: Jessicurl Too Shea and Kinky Curly Curling Custard
    Shampoo: nonsulfate shampoo and Suave Naturals sulfate shampoo when needed
  • papayahedpapayahed Posts: 1,282Registered Users
    jeamaria wrote:
    papayahed wrote:
    I hardly ever shampoo my hair and I pay no attention to what is in my hair products. Currently I'm using VO5 mousse, Fruictis gel, BTZ Noodle Head, Redkin Curl Former, some shine stuff, and some other gel stuff. After reading this thread I thought maybe I might have build up and maybe a shampoo is in order. I used Jessiecurl cream cleanser and had a devil of a time getting all the shampoo out - it took forever and was a complete pain in the butt. I guess it really depends on hair type.

    I agree with the bolded. I think it's also a matter of time, for some people buildup occurs within a matter of days, some people several months. How often do you define "hardly ever"?

    Also, I was thinking maybe some people actually like the effect of the buildup on their hair. Especially with certain silicones, it might give a smoothing effect which products that rinse more cleanly might not be able to provide. So providing they rinse often enough/don't exceed a certain amount of product, maybe the build up is just enough to promote manageability, without causing gunky/suffocated/weighed down/greasy hair.

    I may have shampooed my hair 2-3 times this year.
  • jeamariajeamaria Posts: 1,851Registered Users
    Jeamaria -- I meant as in the feel of lotion. [buylink=http://www.curlmart.com/Jessicurl-Too-Shea-Extra-Moisturizing-Conditioner-p-105.html?utm_source=naturallycurly.com&utm_medium=text-link&utm_content=curltalk-post-text&utm_campaign=jessicurl-too-shea-extra-moisturizing-conditioner]JC Too shea[/buylink] is thick and creamy. I would also say that the Dove Moisturizing conditioner has a similar feel and texture. I find that [buylink=http://www.curlmart.com/Jessicurl-Too-Shea-Extra-Moisturizing-Conditioner-p-105.html?utm_source=naturallycurly.com&utm_medium=text-link&utm_content=curltalk-post-text&utm_campaign=jessicurl-too-shea-extra-moisturizing-conditioner]Too Shea[/buylink] is more moisturizing and heavier than most conditioners. Conditoners that are light and liquidy do not work for me. I need a lot of moisture and tend to use my conditioner as a styling product.

    Gotcha. Thanks for clarifying.
  • jeamariajeamaria Posts: 1,851Registered Users
    papayahed wrote:
    jeamaria wrote:
    papayahed wrote:
    I hardly ever shampoo my hair and I pay no attention to what is in my hair products. Currently I'm using VO5 mousse, Fruictis gel, BTZ Noodle Head, Redkin Curl Former, some shine stuff, and some other gel stuff. After reading this thread I thought maybe I might have build up and maybe a shampoo is in order. I used Jessiecurl cream cleanser and had a devil of a time getting all the shampoo out - it took forever and was a complete pain in the butt. I guess it really depends on hair type.

    I agree with the bolded. I think it's also a matter of time, for some people buildup occurs within a matter of days, some people several months. How often do you define "hardly ever"?

    Also, I was thinking maybe some people actually like the effect of the buildup on their hair. Especially with certain silicones, it might give a smoothing effect which products that rinse more cleanly might not be able to provide. So providing they rinse often enough/don't exceed a certain amount of product, maybe the build up is just enough to promote manageability, without causing gunky/suffocated/weighed down/greasy hair.

    I may have shampooed my hair 2-3 times this year.

    Whatever works for you. ;)
  • MintMint Posts: 1,143Registered Users
    Adding another post! :hello2:

    I'm a wavie who has tried co-washing a few times and it did not work for me at all. I shampoo about every other day with a gentle shampoo, but I only use CG products with maybe a polyquaternium or two in my shampoo and/or gel. My hair hates silicones, though. From experience with many products, they never calmed my frizz well. Also, my hair has been shinier since I stopped using 'cones altogether. :alien:
    2a/M-C/ii hair. Super long.
  • shortypaganshortypagan Posts: 9Registered Users
    I am going through the SAME thing as you are! I have been surfing on this website for a couple of months now....but I haven't found anything that's made a drastic change in my curls. I tried the 'plunking' or 'plopping' method, but by the time I got my hair wrapped in my t-shirt, I had te worst pain in my neck. :cry: Granted, it DID look good ~ but took forEVER to get it in that stupid shirt. hehehe.

    Have you found any solutions, or gotten any advice??

    I don't even know how this message will help you ~ but maybe there's another curly out there with the same issue!! :thumbright:

    shortyp

    ps ~ is there anyone out there who's gotten the ingredients that us curlies are NOY supposed to use pretty much memorized?? There's SO much, I am scared to get ANY kind of shampoo/conditioner/product... :help:
  • spiderlashes5000spiderlashes5000 Posts: 17,495Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    jeamaria wrote:
    Jeamaria -- I meant as in the feel of lotion. [buylink=http://www.curlmart.com/Jessicurl-Too-Shea-Extra-Moisturizing-Conditioner-p-105.html?utm_source=naturallycurly.com&utm_medium=text-link&utm_content=curltalk-post-text&utm_campaign=jessicurl-too-shea-extra-moisturizing-conditioner]JC Too shea[/buylink] is thick and creamy. I would also say that the Dove Moisturizing conditioner has a similar feel and texture. I find that [buylink=http://www.curlmart.com/Jessicurl-Too-Shea-Extra-Moisturizing-Conditioner-p-105.html?utm_source=naturallycurly.com&utm_medium=text-link&utm_content=curltalk-post-text&utm_campaign=jessicurl-too-shea-extra-moisturizing-conditioner]Too Shea[/buylink] is more moisturizing and heavier than most conditioners. Conditoners that are light and liquidy do not work for me. I need a lot of moisture and tend to use my conditioner as a styling product.

    Gotcha. Thanks for clarifying.

    She doesn't clarify!

    LOL

  • jeamariajeamaria Posts: 1,851Registered Users
    jeamaria wrote:
    Jeamaria -- I meant as in the feel of lotion. [buylink=http://www.curlmart.com/Jessicurl-Too-Shea-Extra-Moisturizing-Conditioner-p-105.html?utm_source=naturallycurly.com&utm_medium=text-link&utm_content=curltalk-post-text&utm_campaign=jessicurl-too-shea-extra-moisturizing-conditioner]JC Too shea[/buylink] is thick and creamy. I would also say that the Dove Moisturizing conditioner has a similar feel and texture. I find that [buylink=http://www.curlmart.com/Jessicurl-Too-Shea-Extra-Moisturizing-Conditioner-p-105.html?utm_source=naturallycurly.com&utm_medium=text-link&utm_content=curltalk-post-text&utm_campaign=jessicurl-too-shea-extra-moisturizing-conditioner]Too Shea[/buylink] is more moisturizing and heavier than most conditioners. Conditoners that are light and liquidy do not work for me. I need a lot of moisture and tend to use my conditioner as a styling product.

    Gotcha. Thanks for clarifying.

    She doesn't clarify!

    LOL

    :lol:
  • SystemSystem Posts: 39,059 Administrator
    I am going through the SAME thing as you are! I have been surfing on this website for a couple of months now....but I haven't found anything that's made a drastic change in my curls. I tried the 'plunking' or 'plopping' method, but by the time I got my hair wrapped in my t-shirt, I had te worst pain in my neck. :cry: Granted, it DID look good ~ but took forEVER to get it in that stupid shirt. hehehe.

    Have you found any solutions, or gotten any advice??

    I don't even know how this message will help you ~ but maybe there's another curly out there with the same issue!! :thumbright:

    shortyp

    ps ~ is there anyone out there who's gotten the ingredients that us curlies are NOY supposed to use pretty much memorized?? There's SO much, I am scared to get ANY kind of shampoo/conditioner/product... :help:

    First, I would like to thank everyone who responded to my question, because everyone brought out many good points and points of view. It is true, there are so many degrees of waves and curls and thickness and porosity, etc. Why, caring for our hair has become rather scientific, in a good way. :study:

    ShortyP's post, in particular, made me laugh out loud, because I had reached the point where each time I went to the store, every single product I picked out had something in it that was not CG. I would walk around for a while with something in my hands and then go into a robot-like trance and put it back on the shelf. I was actually scared to buy or try anything. :sad3: Quite over-reacting, wasn't I? :laughing6:

    After much trial and error, for now at least, I've decided that my hair and scalp need shampoo and some silly-cones :drunken: or I am just a giant frizzball (a very light and airy frizzball), but nevertheless,
    chicken frizz-azee.

    This is a separate topic, but, since my hair has a mind of its own, it frequently looks unkempt (spelling?). I was asking :error: one woman I work with about hair color, as my hair is gray and I was contemplating doing something rash. Not only did she tell me I should "do something" as far as color, she said I should also go back to blow-drying and straightening it out. Let me tell ya, that made my day. :sad5:
    Now, I keep staring at my hair in the mirror, wondering, does everyone think it's ugly? :?: :-| Ah yes, I am having a wee-bit of low self-esteem here. :boxing: :cry:

    Nevertheless, for the health of my hair, for now, as nothing is written in stone, I am staying gray and curly. Hmph! :nike:

    Good luck in your product search, shortypagan. I'll still be addicted to this website and be reading and posting about curly hair and products, both CG and not, because this is the only place a curly can really feel at home, and not like a fish out of water! :nemo:
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