2008 Presidential Candidates
I realize the elections are three years away but politics never end and opinions are always timely. It is clear to those who are politically savvy that some potential candidates for the presidency in 2008 are already jockeying for position.
Does anyone support any potential candidate already? Is there someone(s) you would like to see in the race? Do you have a Pres.-VP candidate preference? If you have no favorites or preferences yet, who does your gutt tell you will run from the political parties? Similarly, is there someone that you would not like to see as a candidate for either P or VP?
The field is already shaping up nicely in my opinion. It looks to be a very spirited race with qualified, likeable candidates who could win a nice percentage of cross-over votes.
Does anyone support any potential candidate already? Is there someone(s) you would like to see in the race? Do you have a Pres.-VP candidate preference? If you have no favorites or preferences yet, who does your gutt tell you will run from the political parties? Similarly, is there someone that you would not like to see as a candidate for either P or VP?
The field is already shaping up nicely in my opinion. It looks to be a very spirited race with qualified, likeable candidates who could win a nice percentage of cross-over votes.
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I hope that John McCain will run and Hillary Clinton. I have others but my guess is that a two man race between Clinton/McCain will be toe-to-toe down to the last vote counted. A real nail biter and a good one is long overdue---no nail-biting since Perot jumped into the '92. (Yes 2000 was a nail-biter, but in a different sense but not because the candidates were equally matched; let's just be honest about that. 2000 was only a nail-biter because of the FL debacle.)
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I actually need to research Elizabeth Gore more, but from everything I know I really like her. And I think the Dems are more likely to have a female VP candidate if the Republicans do.
I liked Edwards a lot when he was running in the primaries, because I really agreed with the majority of his platform, though I didn't like him as much as a VP candidate, because he had to be Kerry's guy instead of himself. Dean is a bit of a hothead, but so's McCain-and with either one, we'll see where they really stand, instead of the posturing we tend to get.
I absolutely love Janet Napolitano, and would love to see her in Washington, even though I really appreciate her as governor. I'm not sure who I would vote for with the above tickets, but would be thrilled to get to pick between tickets I like.
I have a hard time thinking of any way I would ever vote for Hillary. I absolutely do not trust that woman, and have had a hard time figuring out why, until I spoke with some women far more politically savvy than I. She has always projected herself as the great feminist, but her voting record is definitely not. There are other examples of hypocrisy on her part, but the fact she has so much political love for her supposed feminism and her voting record showing it's not real is the easiest way I can articulate that.
I don't know a whole lot about Guiliani, but there's been talk of him, too. From what I know about him, I think I'd like him. There are thoughts that McCain is too old, and if so maybe Guiliani instead?
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If she were to run against McCain, I think McCain would win in a heartbeat. More swing voters'll go for him than Hillary, for starters. I also think people will gravitate toward a male president as long as they've got that 9/11 fear in them.
Wes Clark would also be good.
But hey, I'm not even old enough to vote.
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The hypocrasy of Repbulicans even putting him up as one of the faces of the party makes me sick. :fuming:fuming.gif This is one of the many instances where Republicans think their isht doesn't stink. Call Clinton an adulterer and worse for oral sex but gives Guiliani and the countless others passes and positions as the poster pinups for the party. Just dumb. It makes people like me have to despise two parties at once. Can't get a decent, honest party in this craphole.
Guilani can't be trusted and many of his other follies other than intercourse adultery in the manner mentioned is only the start. Yuck! The reminder of the transparent hypocrasy makes me barf. On the other hand, if they put Guiliani up for P or VP in '08, it will force me to vote a straight democratic ticket for the first time in my life.
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If we (general public) concerned ourselves more with job performance, we'd all be better off.
In a perfect world or an honest political system, it would not matter but seeing as how it mattered so *&#@ much in 1998 and with the continued "morality" issues, the world is clearly not perfect.
I also think that if people worried more about job performance instead of "trust", the world might be better off. "Trust" is a morality based virtue; that is just definition.
Have you had enough job performance concern for anyone in particular that would lead you to address the original post? In your view as someone who is only concerned with job performance, has anyone performed well enough at their job that you have noticed enough to state your preference for candidacy or at least a statement acknowledging his/her good job performance?
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My point is, just because it mattered to a bunch of politicians and the media, does not mean it should matter to us. I'm saying, rise about the BS.
I already addressed the original post and voted in your poll as *I* saw fit.
For a while there, I thought you were a regular poster using an alias. From the above I guess you're a newbie here so I'll share this:
You can get pissy all you want, but you cannot control the way in which people choose to respond to your threads - assuming you can hold their attention to begin with.
You're not the only one.
I am registered as Undeclared. I tend to vote Democrat, but for some reason I won't commit to that on my voter's registration card.
I used to be like that when I registered to vote at 18 but by the next election I realized how important it was to vote in the Primaries especially for my local government.
I still consider myself undeclared because I do not believe in the exact politics of any party. But in order to exercise my right to vote on all levels of the voting process I had to officially register with a one of the larger parties.
Then the corresponding point is that just because you are not concerned with morality doesn't mean that noone else should be. The appropriate phrase for discounting integrity would be lowering nor rising. The BS is right because hypocrisy is nothing but BS and you and others are full of it. So the point is clear that you know nothing but you want to say something. Since you don't know anything about the topic, then you will talk out of your butt off topic. Good, I will expect the "BS" that you fling to continue from this point on.
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I expect your BS to continue so please oblige. Your lack of knowledge of the topic is entertaining. Your need to say anything even when irrelevant is more entertaining. The fact that if you really are "Black Brit", you are not eligible to vote in this country and your "response to [this] thread" means as much as all the BS you said before---this is most entertaining and hilarious on top.
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Sorry about the poll. I was using "independent" as synonymous with undeclared.
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I am not trying to be a “swooper” but I think Webbie was talking to you, ohura.
You said some pretty harsh (and ridiculous) things to Cherish below. Also, what you wrote is very xenophobic and offensive to immigrants in the US. I know you are new and a "zealous" citizen but come on…….
2. What you think about my comments are immaterial, just a pixel on the screen clearly wanting attention. I can see for the veterans that it is more important to see your ID on the screen than to contribute to the "topic at hand". There must be some reward for having many posts or the most posts. Is there some sort of ranking system for people with the most posts because it would explain this need to "swoop" or say something even when it is just fodder? If not, I would like to propose a reward for the person with the least going on in real life and therefore the most posts or the most "zealous" desire to post irrelevancies.
3. Too bad this is like 3rd grade: "You can't say that to my friend. I don't care what she said to you. No, I can't read what she said because my nose is too far up her butt but I still don't like you giving back to her like she tries to give. Besides I want everyone else on the playground to see that we are the chicks in charge and I want them to see us telling you off so that we can feel like we rule the schoolyard anyways. This is third grade and you can't talk to my friend that way! She can't stick up for herself so we will try to intimidate you because you are new. Don't talk to us like we talk to you, newbie! Sure, we could have minded our business but that would have required smarts and maturity so instead we do this. We are the oldest on this playground and therefore you are wrong because we say so. We will TRY to gang up on you because we have not realized that it won't work with you like it must work on all other newbies. Whaaa. Whaaa. Whaaa. (We will continue avoiding the "topic at hand" in lieu of useless diatribe---next we will have more of our other third grade friends join in with useless diatriable---so that our post counts can continue to rise. Yes, that's right newbie, nothing counts too so just sit back and watch our post count rise because we have alot of nothing to say. Yippee!!!"
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Subject: "has this place picked up a bit, lately?"
Quote1: Posted: Mon Jun 13, 2005 8:17 pm
Quote2: Posted: Tue Jun 14, 2005 6:33 pm
:roll: Well, well, well. These explain alot.
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I am a registered Democrat. I too appreciate objectivity, but I am not very objective in my voting.
I vote Democrat because they "stand" for more issues that are of social concern to me. I can take care of my own morals, and want others to have that same right, and think it is the job of the Church to evangelize the way the Bible set forth instead of attempting to get morals legislated into American schools, government, etc. Unfortunately, Republicans have become somewhat synonymous with religious zealotry, self-declared moral superiority, and general intolerance. I know that every member of the party is not that way, but that is the bulk of what I perceive from the darlings of the media. So, as the only issues I have in common with most Republicans I've seen or heard talk are religious, I choose to do that work through the church and attempt to use government to help the poor (something that Christians should be big on, but don't hold the bar on) and allow people the right to listen to me or not about my religious views/ideologies.
I don't think either party is perfect, and neither party has a lock on God's values. So, I can understand why good Christians, and good people, would choose either party.
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as far as republicans go, i guess john mccain is still saying that he won't run in 2008. i was him on the tonight show a couple of months ago, and when jay asked him about running in 2008, he said, "jay, in 2008 i will BE 2008."
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Of the Republicans, I like Guilliani, McCain and Rice. I would probably be most happy with Guilliani on politics, McCain on "presence" and Rice for historical reasons, and because she is just as much of a hawk as the other two. But I don't know her social politics and doubt I would care for them.
Dems, I like Obama and Lieberman. Obama is too young to get the nomination, and Lieberman isn't electable.
What historical reasons?
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