IS AMERICAN SAFER NOW???AN ARABIC OPINION

MOAMANA

HI I M AM AN ARABIC EGYPIAN MOSLEM 23 YEARS OLD WOMAN

SO YOU SEE I VE ALL THE MISLEADING FEATURES YOUR MEDIA DRAWS FOR A TERRORIST

BUT LET US SPEAK THE TRUTH

I M A MOSLIM WHO STUDIED ISLAM FOR 18 YEARS NOW...AND KNOWS WELL THAT OUR RELIGION SAYS THAT KILLING AN INNOCENT FROM ANY RELIGION , RACE OR COUNTRY IS TOTALLY FORBIDDEN
AND IF YOU DID IT........ YOU ARE NO LONGER A MOSLIM

ALL THE OTHER NONSENSE ABOUT ISLAM AND NOT RESPECTING WOMEN IS CRAB

SO I M A MOSLIM "VERY PROUD TO BE"

I AM AN EGYPTIAN AN ARABIC AND ALSO PROUD ..............I KNOW THAT ARABS ARE WEAK AND HAVE A LOT OF PROBLEMS BUT I THINK WE CAN CHANGE AND SOLVE IT ALL


LET US COME TO THE QUESTION

ARE AMERICANS BY THEIR WARS ALL OVER THE PLANET SAFER???????????????


I THINK THAT ANY IRAQIAN IS TOTALLY 100% WILLING TO KILL ANY FOREIGNER SOLDIER IN IRAQ


I THINK THAT ANY AFGANISTAN PEASANT IS 100% WILLING TO DO THE SAME

[ANY ARABIC MOSLIM COUNTRY IS MY COUNTRY AND MY LAND SO ALL THE YOUTH ALL OVER THE ARABIC WORLD ARE JUST 100%WILLING TO GO TO IRAQ AND FIGHT THE AMERICANS AND THE BRITISH TROOPS THERE

BY THE WAY YOUR MEDIA SHOWS YOU A TOTALLY DIFFERENT OPINIONS FOR IRAQIAN ANA ARABS..BUT YOU CAN CHANGE YOUR CHANNEL TO ANY OTHER CHANNEL WHICH SAYS THE TRUTH ..IRAQIAN DOESNT WANT YOU THERE NEITHER DO ANY ARABIC PERSON

I DONT AGREE ON 11 SEPTEMBER AND IF A MOSLIM KILLED SO MANY INNOCENT PEOPLE THEN HE IS NUTS AND NOT TO BE CONSIDERED A MOSLIM ANY MORE...AS THIS IS TERRORISM

BUT KILLING AN AMERICAN SOLDIER WHO OCCUPIES MY LAND TO STEAL MY OIL "IN IRAQ "IS CONSIDERED SELF DEFENDING AND DEFENDING MY COUNTRY


YOU KILLED SADAM HSEEIN BUT GAINED THE IRAQIAN PEOPLE AS YOUR ENEMY SO YOU KILLED ONE ENEMY AND CREATED MILLIONS OF ENEMIES WHO YOU DESTROYED THEIR HOMES KILLED THEIR CHILDREN
AND HUMILIATED THEM IN YOUR PRISONS IN IRAQ AND AFGHANISTAN

miacurl

Don't EVEN go there talking about American Soldiers.

Our American Soldiers are our heroes. They are the bravest men and women in the world.

skywatcher

:shock: Yikes!!! (Not at you Miacurl)

miacurl

skywatcher wrote:

:shock: Yikes!!! (Not at you Miacurl)

I hear ya!

Scarlet

Propoganda

miacurl

he/she also needs to learn how to spell

Gretchen

I hope everyone understands that this is an international web site, as and such, we will have a variety of ideas from people of various nations/cultures.

We welcome civil debate and hope everyone will respect each other's thoughts.

I also hope we'll take into consideration that English isn't everyone's first language, and make allowances for spelling/grammatical errors in that case. I know my Arabic's pretty bad!

miacurl

Debates are good. Flamers are not. A good hearty debate and discussion is what we do here.

This person who started the thread has started similar threads before. Flames then does not return.

Just food for thought. I won't post to her/him again.

Scarlet

I don't think defending the killing of American soldiers is "civil debate", but that's just my opinion. I also won't respond to anymore of this propoganda.

curlyarca

Yet we defend the killing of Iraqi civilians....

There's propaganda from both sides.

"So when you're asked to fight a war thats over nothing
It's best to join the side thats gonna win
No one's sure how all of this got started
But we're gonna make em God damn certain how its gonna end."


And I personally don't think we're any safer now, either. Just hyperaware and hypervigilant at times.

MOAMANA

first of all i m not male..... those who really read the thoughts i wrote i mentioned that i am a 23 years old woman
secondly sorry for my english ....its my second language indeed
third
i m not a probaganda method ....i said the truth and i dare you do what i told you which is watching other channels other than those who supports the war in iraq for their interests

as for miacurl ....i didnt say that they are bad soldiers or not well trained or anything of that kind
i said the truth that they occupy my land with no reason except that their governments wants to steal the iraqian oils...that what i am discussing!

so they are in a way victims too like the iraqian people .....but still they are on my land killing my families or throwing them in jail .......so they are my enemies


i m not a liar and i dare anyone who speaks arabic to search the arabic sites of any arabic country and read what the arabs think of this war ....or perhaps arabic newspapers or channels



So when you're asked to fight a war thats over nothing
It's best to join the side thats gonna win
No one's sure how all of this got started
But we're gonna make em God damn certain how its gonna end." i didnt understand those lines ........what does it mean?curlyara

finally ... i asked a question .......no one answered except curlyara


you said you go to this war to be safer ,didnt bush claim that???????????

are you safer now????????

curlyarca

MOAMANA wrote:

So when you're asked to fight a war thats over nothing
It's best to join the side thats gonna win
No one's sure how all of this got started
But we're gonna make em God damn certain how its gonna end." i didnt understand those lines ........what does it mean?curlyara

finally ... i asked a question .......no one answered except curlyara


you said you go to this war to be safer ,didnt bush claim that???????????

are you safer now????????

Moamana, those lines are from a song actually by an American musician, and I think they're pretty much the truth. As far as this war goes, I think there are many people that know that our governments intentions for going to war with Iraq at this particular time are questionable at least. I also think that many people have always been or have gotten to the point of thinking "Oh well, who cares what's going on over there, at least I'm on the winning side and at least we're not the one's being invaded/occupied." That's exactly what those lyrics mean.

The lyrics of that song could be considered propaganda as well. I posted them to support my point that propaganda comes from both sides of this Iraq issue, it's not just coming from Al-Jazeera or Muslims or middle eastern people. Here within our own borders propaganda is everywhere as well, from those for the war and against the war both. And just because someone's opinion happens to differ from yours doesn't mean their opinion is pure propaganda.

I think it's ridiculous to label an entire post as propaganda to belittle someone else's thoughts and to make them appear stupid. I think it's ridiculous that a person's only defense/response to your post is "wow she should learn how to spell" when you quite OBVIOUSLY don't speak English as a primary language. Most of the people in our country (me included) cannot speak anything BUT ENGLISH. And usually the secondary languages that are learned are generally Spanish, French, and German. Big whoopdedoo. There's definitely a world of languages besides those of Europe.

Moamana, I applaud you for being able to see BOTH sides of the issue without ranting and raving that opposing opinions or perspectives are just purely propaganda. It's great that you're able to access many sources of information American and otherwise and formulate opinions from those sources. Although you seemed pretty frustrated (and I can understand why you feel that way), you articulated your opinions on the issue well. Hell, your ENGLISH is excellent considering it's not your primary language......apparently it was well learned enough for you to post a message on this board that sent some members into screeching "ITS PROPOGANDA" fits!

And the reason no one really answered your question is probably because this war has not caused most Americans to feel safer at all.

MOAMANA

curlyara
really thnx a lot for your nice words

i m really frustrated as you said because i live among iraqian who suffers a lot ....moreover i know that also the american soldiers have wives and kids

both sides are losers

if any american thinks that he is on the winning side ...let hom consider it again
because the americans can win oil or money or whatever .but they will lose human beings"husbands,and fathers"
moreover one day the situation could change like vitnam...it was a disaster for them and you

alguma pessoa

curlyara wrote:

MOAMANA wrote:

So when you're asked to fight a war thats over nothing
It's best to join the side thats gonna win
No one's sure how all of this got started
But we're gonna make em God damn certain how its gonna end." i didnt understand those lines ........what does it mean?curlyara

finally ... i asked a question .......no one answered except curlyara


you said you go to this war to be safer ,didnt bush claim that???????????

are you safer now????????

Moamana, those lines are from a song actually by an American musician, and I think they're pretty much the truth. As far as this war goes, I think there are many people that know that our governments intentions for going to war with Iraq at this particular time are questionable at least. I also think that many people have always been or have gotten to the point of thinking "Oh well, who cares what's going on over there, at least I'm on the winning side and at least we're not the one's being invaded/occupied." That's exactly what those lyrics mean.

The lyrics of that song could be considered propaganda as well. I posted them to support my point that propaganda comes from both sides of this Iraq issue, it's not just coming from Al-Jazeera or Muslims or middle eastern people. Here within our own borders propaganda is everywhere as well, from those for the war and against the war both. And just because someone's opinion happens to differ from yours doesn't mean their opinion is pure propaganda.

I think it's ridiculous to label an entire post as propaganda to belittle someone else's thoughts and to make them appear stupid. I think it's ridiculous that a person's only defense/response to your post is "wow she should learn how to spell" when you quite OBVIOUSLY don't speak English as a primary language. Most of the people in our country (me included) cannot speak anything BUT ENGLISH. And usually the secondary languages that are learned are generally Spanish, French, and German. Big whoopdedoo. There's definitely a world of languages besides those of Europe.

Moamana, I applaud you for being able to see BOTH sides of the issue without ranting and raving that opposing opinions or perspectives are just purely propaganda. It's great that you're able to access many sources of information American and otherwise and formulate opinions from those sources. Although you seemed pretty frustrated (and I can understand why you feel that way), you articulated your opinions on the issue well. Hell, your ENGLISH is excellent considering it's not your primary language......apparently it was well learned enough for you to post a message on this board that sent some members into screeching "ITS PROPOGANDA" fits!

And the reason no one really answered your question is probably because this war has not caused most Americans to feel safer at all.

Great post curlyara. ITA.

There is propaganda on both sides and most North Americans do not see un-bias un-propagandized news at all. And anyone who speaks out against the war is evil and does not respect/support the troops.

I think it is worse to let the troops die in vain. How is that "support" Everyone is this war is a looser and the biggest losers are the troops and their families and the Iraqi civilians.

I am not sure if I am safer because I do not think about that daily. I live near Washington DC but I do not think of an attack. I am probably more likely to get attacked or assaulted by my fellow Americans in this country than a terrorist from outside of the country.

As someone with ties in both the US and another country I know that there are a lot of people who hate Americans and it is usually because of the pompous attitudes and oblivion the majority of the citizens have for what goes on in the world as well as the thought that only US "values" are right. For my safety, when I travel outside of the US I say that I am only Brasilian (not Braslian and American) because saying you are American is like inviting people to punch you.

And if some group of people invaded the US, people would do all they could to defend their country. Why is it difficult to see the Iraqis do the same. I do not agree with war and violence by anyone but I can see the other side of the coin. Perhaps if more people could see the other side then our troops could come home. And I do not think American soldiers are braver than anyone in the whole world. Men and women do brave things everyday. You do what you have to do (and sometimes what you are told to do).

And by the way, can the whole world be wrong and the US (and the British government) the only right ones on this issue of invasion? Maybe I am missing something.



And as a person who speaks 3 languages and understands 5 it makes me mad when Americans who only speak one language criticize non-Native people for bad grammar.

Scarlet

Why bother

alguma pessoa

Scarlet wrote:

Why bother

I know...I saw your previous post LOL.

Scarlet

I reiterate. Why bother.

curlyarca

....but you're bothering? :idea:

alguma pessoa

Scarlet wrote:

I reiterate. Why bother.

I was referring to the post you deleted (the one about a certain person's view on politics being simple) and then wrote in "why bother." I was not referring to the previous posts.

Just wanted to make that clear .

MOAMANA

hi all
sorry for being late but i had exams all week

i thank all who particpated in this argument

when i wrote this thread i didnt understand if you approvd the war or not

now i understand not only the american people opinion but it sheds light on the way you think too

really the middle east is very different culture and way of thinking

and the only way you and us can meet is by understanding each other

i will write a thread about the egyptians life and things you would never know about egypt soon i hope you like it
thnx again


really hoping for the world's piece and iraqians and americans safety

alguma pessoa

MOAMANA wrote:

hi all
sorry for being late but i had exams all week

i thank all who particpated in this argument

when i wrote this thread i didnt understand if you approvd the war or not

now i understand not only the american people opinion but it sheds light on the way you think too
really the middle east is very different culture and way of thinking

and the only way you and us can meet is by understanding each other

i will write a thread about the egyptians life and things you would never know about egypt soon i hope you like it
thnx again


really hoping for the world's piece and iraqians and americans safety

I do not think you can get an American opinion from a three Americans (I am excluding my dear Canadian curly, the moderator (and co-founder ) since she did not give an opinion and my opinion since I am half Brasilian and sort of have an “outsider looking in” view).

There are many Americans who support the war (I am not one of them), there are many Americans who do not support the war, and many who care about the lives of the American and British troops (I care about them as well as the innocent Iraqis who die because of this senseless invasion).

Since this is not one of the main boards you are not going to get as many posts and the varied American views. Using posters who wrote ad hominem fallacies is not a good way to formulate an opinion about the entire American culture and its view on the war. Everyone I know does not support the war however many of them support the troops fighting there and are mad that their loved one has to participate in this senseless invasion (most people I know are well traveled and have experienced different cultures while growing up). And BTW, the war is not only about keeping the United States safe.



Look forward to the Egyptian thread. I have a few Egyptian and many Arab, Persian, and Kurdish friends and they love to share their culture with me as I love to share my Brasilian and American culture with them .

And remember tolerance, empathy, and understanding is needed from all parties involved.

:P

Lucille

MOAMANA wrote:

i said the truth that they occupy my land with no reason except that their governments wants to steal the iraqian oils...that what i am discussing![/size]

Well, here is one difference in Americans or Westerners and Middle Easterners. To us, Egypt is Egypt, and Iraq is Iraq. If the U.S. is occupying Iraq (something debatable now, since the Iraqi government, whether you agree with it or not, is in control of asking the U.S. to leave), it is not occupying your land. To an American, Egypt and Iraq are two different countries. So does your refering to the occupation of "my land" referring to Iraq mean that Middle Easterners consider any predominately Islamic country to be his/her own?

MOAMANA

sorry i ve seen this too late
but this is the way a moslim think
any islamic country is his home and his country
any moslem is your brother
whatever his nationality

Morena

MOAMANA wrote:

sorry i ve seen this too late
but this is the way a moslim think
any islamic country is his home and his country
any moslem is your brother
whatever his nationality

In theory YES, but in practice not neccessarily. From what I know personally about some of the muslims that went to my college, there were divisions and dislikes within the different denominations (not sure what the correct word is). Some of the more conservative muslims didn't get along w/the extremists, and black muslims didn't get along with another sect/denomination. They didn't act very brotherly from what I saw and heard.

curlyarca

Morena wrote:

MOAMANA wrote:

sorry i ve seen this too late
but this is the way a moslim think
any islamic country is his home and his country
any moslem is your brother
whatever his nationality

In theory YES, but in practice not neccessarily. From what I know personally about some of the muslims that went to my college, there were divisions and dislikes within the different denominations (not sure what the correct word is). Some of the more conservative muslims didn't get along w/the extremists, and black muslims didn't get along with another sect/denomination. They didn't act very brotherly from what I saw and heard.

yup. kinda like presbyterians, baptists, catholics, and other denominations of christianity. there wouldn't be other denominations if all people of one religious group were on one accord.