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YOUR opinion of cyclopentasiloxane

laurabeth33laurabeth33 Posts: 1,443Registered Users
Okay, it's no secret that I'm anti-cyclopentasiloxane, but I'm curious who else is avoiding or liking it. I know babywavy loves her Aussie cream with it, others avoid it like the plague, and still others have moved away from it once the delayed reaction set in.

So you you hate/avoid it? Have you never tried anything containing it because of the comments/rants here? Did you use it before but had ill effects and stopped using it? Do you use it rarely? Regularly? Do you clarify more often because you use it? Is your HG cyclopentasiloxane-containing?
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  • meegsmeegs Posts: 354Registered Users
    I hate cyclopentasiloxane. It was invented by the devil himself to torment me. Here's my story. I was cleaning out my product graveyard fairly recently (a few months ago, maybe). I finally got to the very back of it. These back-most products are ones that I bought before I found nc.com, before I learned to watch ingredients, before I started finding out what my hair really likes and dislikes. But even with my prior ignorance, these are products I only used once or maybe twice because I absolutely hated how they made my hair look and feel.

    Well, now that I'm less ignorant, I decided to check out the ingredients to see if I could find the culprit. The first one had cyclopentasiloxane near the top. Hmmmm. The second one? More cyclopentasiloxane. I went through a whole armful of products. Cyclopentasiloxane in every single one!!! So now, I avoid it like the plague. And my hair thanks me every single day.
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  • AmnerisAmneris Posts: 15,117Registered Users
    My option would be, neither seek it out nor avoid it - neutral, I guess. It's not in any of my HG's, but I do have the odd product with it, and I do shampoo.
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  • eccentric_kurlzeccentric_kurlz Posts: 4,144Registered Users
    My Curls condish has this as one of the main ingredients. My observation is that my hair doesn't have anymore or any less frizz than before using it weeks ago. It has good slip, which makes it easier for me to comb my hair. My hair naturally has alittle bit of frizz, but this ingredient doesn't make it worse. I'm guessing that maybe this ingredient is a no-no for those who CG. But since I don't CG, it hasn't posed a problem.....not yet, anyway.
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  • love yourself firstlove yourself first Posts: 5,398Registered Users
    I notice more and more that it is in a lot of products, lots of drugstore buys and some salon stuff too... I won't buy new things if this is listed high on the list (like much of the J. Frieda brilliant brunette line, for example). However, in the existing products that I have, I do not notice any problem with it. I attribute this to the fact that I use cleanser (shampoo or a scalp treatment) 1-2X a week. Also, knock on wood, my hair seems to have a fairly high tolerance since it likes a wide range of products. I try not to abuse that tolerance and tend to go for the more natural product and/or the product with fewer ingredients rather than chemical bomb type products... But I've not had a problem with this ingredient so there is no need for me to ban it from my rotation.

    Interesting poll. I'm curious what others have to say! :)

    Also, if someone can bump another thread explaining the evils of this ingredient (or else list them briefly here) I would appreciate it. Thanks!!
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  • sirenrisingsirenrising Posts: 92Registered Users
    I stopped using cytopentoxieldfksentosenngoane :D when I stopped shampooing everyday, so its really hard to tell what was causing what... all I know is my hair is a lot healthier now!
    currently loving the deva line
  • Kris KurlKris Kurl Posts: 28Registered Users
    I think my biggest moan about this chemical is that unless you read NC.com fairly thoroughly, or are very well informed, you can't tell from the name that it's a cone!

    I lurked on NC.com for a while some time ago when I started growing my hair. I decided to avoid cones after reading things here - but didn't realise that this stuff is one! So I ended up using lots of Fructis stuff with cyclopentasiloxane in it, thinking that I was cone free. I was using SLS shampoo, but really only on my scalp - so the stuff must have been building up for ages on the length of my hair. There was I putting it on thinking I was helping my hair, and all the time not realising I was just adding to build-up. :evil:

    Now I have a different routine, my hair feels so much softer and nicer. :)
  • skywatcherskywatcher Posts: 429Registered Users
    cytopentoxieldfksentosenngoane :D
    :lol: I can never spell that one either!
    3a/2c
    Long layers, past BSL
    Loving: CON poo, Elucence MBC, Jessicurl WDT, B&A Gel.
    SLS free poos since Feb 6/05
  • laurabeth33laurabeth33 Posts: 1,443Registered Users
    Also, if someone can bump another thread explaining the evils of this ingredient (or else list them briefly here) I would appreciate it. Thanks!!

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    Essentially, this silicone has smaller particle size so it can get under a raised cuticle easier. I tried a few products with it in the ingreds and shampoo didn't remove it alone. I had to use a clarifying poo. Flippit had to clarify several times in a row after a week of using cyclopentasiloxane. Unfortunately, some people don't have the immediate negative reaction and get a lot of buildup accumulated before the negative effects flair up, making it even harder to remove.

    I personally have no problem with any other cones, even it's larger particle sized sibling cyclomethicone, but this one is horrible!
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  • EnricaEnrica Posts: 86Registered Users
    Honestly Laurabeth, it's the negative press here that's kept me away from it. I'm always looking for more natural products, since it's my toddler's hair I'm trying to find HGs for. I relaxed more after reading up on the resident cone article, but my curly hair type seems most forgiving when trying new things. However, just the thought of something clinging to my hair wash after wash, even if it's not noticeable, just seems unhealthy.

    So thanks as always, for your chemical analysis. It's been a big help to me.
    3c representative of a 2c-4a curly clan.
    Keeping it simple, natural & sulfate free. Fan of pure oils, butters & glycerin to moisturize.
  • curlymelcurlymel Posts: 359Registered Users
    Before I tried strict CG, one of my favorite products was Citre Shine Curl Crunch Curling Cream, which lists cyclopentasiloxane as the last ingredient. I was bummed to give that up. But, I had just bought some before I went CG. Now I am not full CG because I get overconditioned too easily. So I use the Citre Shine every once in a while (no more than 1x per month). I time it so that it is just before I need to clarify/DT. I have not had any problems. I actually used it today!
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  • love yourself firstlove yourself first Posts: 5,398Registered Users
    THANKS Laurabeth for bumping those threads.. :D My hair does OK with cones - doesn't love them or crave them, but doesn't freak out or spazz if I use them.

    I will continue my sporadic use of products with this cone and monitor to see if anything bad develops... Also, I'll continue my policy of trying to avoid it generally..
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  • SalmagundiSalmagundi Posts: 35Registered Users
    I can't stand cyclopentasiloxane, and as far as I know, the feeling is pretty much mutual. For one thing, it has a silly name that follows no form of chemical nomenclature with which I am even vaguely familiar. I think it's basically a shortened form of its IUPAC name, which is even more ridiculously long than this one, but am uncertain. For another thing, it makes my hair an absolute mess.

    About two years ago, when I first started styling my hair naturally, I happened to buy a conditioner with this hideous little ingredient in it (I didn't know any better; I hadn't taken any higher level chemistry and was not yet a member of the boards). It was Loreal's Curl Vive conditioner, which also contained potato starch (I'm sure that contributed to the problem as well). The first couple of times I used it, it detangled my hair nicely and made it feel slippery. Things quickly went downhill from there; I could pour half a bottle of that stuff onto my hair and the tangles would actually get worse. My hair started to become progressively more rough and frizzy, until I realized that the conditioner was total trash. I pitched that nightmare product in the trash and bought a better one; several clarifying shampoos later, I was finally free of that evil silicone. Most cheap drugstore conditioners contain it, so now I watch for it very carefully.
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  • laurabeth33laurabeth33 Posts: 1,443Registered Users
    Wow! The stories about this stuff get more and more :shock: !

    Even if you've voiced your opinion about cyclopentasiloxane before, please vote!
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  • SalmagundiSalmagundi Posts: 35Registered Users
    I voted the first option. That particular silicone did for my hair what the Exxon Valdez did for the coast of Alaska, only with less consequence to the surrounding area's wildlife.
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  • RainRain Posts: 217Registered Users
    Hate it! Evil!
    3a/b, fine, lots of it
  • BaByCurLSSSSBaByCurLSSSS Posts: 15Registered Users
    Hate it! I tried some new styling products w/ this ingred. because I'd heard good things about them from friends & the PJ in me couldn't resist. Well, I used them for about a week and didn't like their performance. Then for the next few weeks my hair kept getting dryer & frizzier, even though I went right back to my CG ways. Then I read laurabeth's thread on this cone. I clarified with a SLS poo & my hair & curls/waves came right back! :D
    Now conditioner-less!!! Botticelli 2c, 2b w/2a waves under canopy. Med-thick-BSL-Dk brown hair w/greys-Currently using: Henna, Ida's All Natural Shampoo Bars & herbal/ACV rinses, Shea, Mango & Cocoa butters, oils & aloe. Fave oils are primrose & jojoba.
  • blanclilablanclila Posts: 107Registered Users
    It's OK once in a while, and gives me the illusion of soft hair. :wink: Too many uses in a row and I get a dry plastic-y feeling, but that's true with any cones, for me. Build-up comes off my hair pretty easily in general though, including this one. Often just an ACV rinse or a couple of conditioner washings will do it, and any shampoo will remove it immediately. I have coarse, thick strands.

    Other cones: Amodimethicone alone in a product will usually give me the dry plastic-y feeling after one use (i.e. it's worse for me than cyclopentasiloxane), but if it's combined with other cones it's ok (probably just less of it in the mix). Cyclomethicone and dimethicone give nice shine and feel, and I use a serum containing both on occasion, but they can make my hair dry over too many uses in a row.
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  • laurabeth33laurabeth33 Posts: 1,443Registered Users
    blanclila wrote:
    It's OK once in a while, and gives me the illusion of soft hair. :wink: Too many uses in a row and I get a dry plastic-y feeling, but that's true with any cones, for me. Build-up comes off my hair pretty easily in general though, including this one. Often just an ACV rinse or a couple of conditioner washings will do it, and any shampoo will remove it immediately. I have coarse, thick strands.

    Other cones: Amodimethicone alone in a product will usually give me the dry plastic-y feeling after one use (i.e. it's worse for me than cyclopentasiloxane), but if it's combined with other cones it's ok (probably just less of it in the mix). Cyclomethicone and dimethicone give nice shine and feel, and I use a serum containing both on occasion, but they can make my hair dry over too many uses in a row.

    Interesting observation. I bet it makes it a lot worse that cyclopentasiloxane is frequently the first ingred or first after water.
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  • lazy loopslazy loops Posts: 8,792Registered Users
    I don't know if I ever used anything containing the
    cytopentoxieldfksentosenngoane
    LOL (I love that, sirenrising!), but I avoid it because
    of the comments/rants here
    & because I don't use a sulfate shampoo but once a month.

    So I voted for #2.
  • laurabeth33laurabeth33 Posts: 1,443Registered Users
    LibbyLiz, there are so many products with cyclopentasiloxane that if you've tried a drugstore conditioner, drugstore anti-frizz cream, Redken conditioner, or Avalon conditioner, you've probably experienced it.
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  • skywatcherskywatcher Posts: 429Registered Users
    I voted for "Used to use it but now don't"

    It is high up(3rd) on the list of the ingredients of one of my previously favorite conditioners(Infusium 23 Revitalizing Conditioner). I would get great hair when I used this condish & still have a full unopened bottle of it. I stopped using it because:
    1. Since I found NC.com, I was too scared to use it anymore after hearing all the bad stuff :shock:
    2. Since I don't use SLS poos anymore, I will not use it.

    Guess I will have to find someone to donate it to!!
    3a/2c
    Long layers, past BSL
    Loving: CON poo, Elucence MBC, Jessicurl WDT, B&A Gel.
    SLS free poos since Feb 6/05
  • LadydncingLadydncing Posts: 964Registered Users
    Kris Kurl wrote:
    I think my biggest moan about this chemical is that unless you read NC.com fairly thoroughly, or are very well informed, you can't tell from the name that it's a cone!

    Well, shame on me! I should have known that! :?

    I just bought the Curls line. All I know is that my hair freaked out. Can't say if it was the oil (this line uses a variety of them) or the Cyclopetasiloxane. It was my understanding that this line is good for curlies who poo or clarify more often. I was kind of disappointed. :(
    I really wanted this line to work.
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  • laurabeth33laurabeth33 Posts: 1,443Registered Users
    Ladydncing wrote:
    I just bought the Curls line. All I know is that my hair freaked out. Can't say if it was the oil (this line uses a variety of them) or the Cyclopetasiloxane. It was my understanding that this line is good for curlies who poo or clarify more often. I was kind of disappointed. :(
    I really wanted this line to work.

    Curls has cyclopentasiloxane! OMG! I wouldn't imagine a curl-oriented brand would do that!

    Maybe a regular brand with a curly line (like the ISO Bouncy Conditioner)... that doesn't surprise me...

    But Curls?!? How disappointing!
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  • EnricaEnrica Posts: 86Registered Users
    My Curls condish has this as one of the main ingredients.

    I just caught what you said. I was thinking about trying the Curly Q version. I wonder if it's the same deal. A shame if it is. :(
    3c representative of a 2c-4a curly clan.
    Keeping it simple, natural & sulfate free. Fan of pure oils, butters & glycerin to moisturize.
  • LadydncingLadydncing Posts: 964Registered Users
    Curls has cyclopentasiloxane! OMG! I wouldn't imagine a curl-oriented brand would do that!

    Yeah, I know. That's my fault. I've learned my lesson. :? I should have read the ingredients before trying them. The evil cone is in the Curls Conditioner.
    If you are on CG, not a good idea.
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  • laurabeth33laurabeth33 Posts: 1,443Registered Users
    Ladydncing wrote:
    If you are on CG, not a good idea.

    When I first encountered cyclopentasiloxane, it was when Dove conditioners added it. I'd been using the Moisture Rich Poo and Conditioner for almost 2 years, and suddenly, just after getting a new bottle of the conditioner, my hair was so incredibly frizzy. I sat down and compared my new ingred list and my old one (actually fished it out of the trash because I had to know). Cyclopentasiloxane was the only addition and a few vitamins switched places in rank waayyyy down on the list (and I knew the vitamins weren't to blame).

    I searched every drugstore and the like (Walmart, Target, Kmart) for even one bottle that remained cyclopentasiloxane-free but to no avail. I threw away the new formula, and started a hunt for a new conditioner.

    It wasn't long after that when most other drugstore conditioners completed their transformations to adding cyclopentasiloxane. There is some really deceitful salesperson with some high-up connections distributing this stuff.

    Recently, I'm starting to see it in more high-end products. Redken had it shortly after the drugstore conditioners. But ISO Bouncy Conditioner (brand new product) has it, as well as Aveda Sap Moss Detangler and Anti-Humectant pomade. I'm a little scared that it will continue spreading in popularity.
    2b w/ some 3a
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  • EnricaEnrica Posts: 86Registered Users
    LB, you think it's just a cheaper alternative, which is why everyone's hopping on it?

    Funny thing, I was talking to a curly the other day who isn't that into her hair care products about Suave and she said, "Oh they put plastic in their products." She was unknowingly referring to this cone.

    I hope they get so much negative press about the stuff, they'll eventually ditch it like some of the other deadly chemicals of yesteryear. I just hope we survive the trend.
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    Keeping it simple, natural & sulfate free. Fan of pure oils, butters & glycerin to moisturize.
  • violetsviolets Posts: 1,689Registered Users
    Ladydncing wrote:

    Well, shame on me! I should have known that! :?

    I just bought the Curls line. All I know is that my hair freaked out. Can't say if it was the oil (this line uses a variety of them) or the Cyclopetasiloxane. It was my understanding that this line is good for curlies who poo or clarify more often. I was kind of disappointed. :(
    I really wanted this line to work.

    I almost freaked out when I read the thread here the same day I got my Curls line stuff in the mail. I am soo dissapointed. I was really looking forward to this line for my son ( curly q's). I won't use it. I got him a Giovanni instead.... :(
  • EnricaEnrica Posts: 86Registered Users
    I almost freaked out when I read the thread here the same day I got my Curls line stuff in the mail. I am soo dissapointed. I was really looking forward to this line for my son ( curly q's). I won't use it. I got him a Giovanni instead.... :(

    M&A, I don't know which products you ordered, but am I hearing both Curls & Curly Q conditioner have it? I'm using the Curly Q moisturizer which is excellent, so there are products in the line which don't have it.

    I am also on a search for my daughter and was going to pick up some of the Giovanni today (Vitamshoppe is running a buy 2 get the 3rd deal). Interested in your review on this product with a younger curly. Please PM me or if you rather, we could start another thread. (I don't want to guano)
    3c representative of a 2c-4a curly clan.
    Keeping it simple, natural & sulfate free. Fan of pure oils, butters & glycerin to moisturize.
  • reallyLilyreallyLily Posts: 73Registered Users
    I've used both haircare and skincare products that have this ingredient, and for me, I didn't see a difference between using it and not using it.
    2b/3a wavy
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