Voter turnout

Aya9877Aya9877 Posts: 97Registered Users
So Dh and I were talking, and we are very optimistic about voter turnout for this coming election. We live in Florida, and after the last election, we are hoping for all time highs.

Then again, many people may feel jaded about the last election and not vote as a result.

It seems as though there is definately a lot more being done this time around to get voters out to the polls.

What do you think? Do you plan on voting? Did you vote last time?

I have voted in every election since I turned 18, and plan on doing so until the day that I die. Every vote really does matter.

I think I am going to run a follow up poll after the election to see just how many people actually make it out to the polls.
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  • GuardianBGuardianB Posts: 1,905Registered Users Curl Connoisseur
    I won't be voting this year.

    It doesn't matter to me which of these 2, um, canidates are elected. The handful of canidates I would have chose to vote for did not come far enough by the national merits so I leave it up to my country people to make the decision.

    My non vote will count just as much.
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  • Aya9877Aya9877 Posts: 97Registered Users
    Honestly after thinking about your response, I would say that I have to agree with your decision if you are indifferent between the two candidates. If you don't care one way or the other, then a non vote is just as important as a vote, because a vote for one candidate is essentially a vote against (hurts) the other candidate.
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  • CGNYCCGNYC Posts: 4,938Registered Users Curl Connoisseur
    Aya9877 wrote:
    Honestly after thinking about your response, I would say that I have to agree with your decision if you are indifferent between the two candidates. If you don't care one way or the other, then a non vote is just as important as a vote, because a vote for one candidate is essentially a vote against (hurts) the other candidate.

    I won't be voting either. I couldn't choose one over the other - they're both equally unacceptable (to me). It's not that I don't care so much as I just honestly can not choose either one and feel good about it.
  • GuardianBGuardianB Posts: 1,905Registered Users Curl Connoisseur
    Too many voters go in and make that vote for every canidate that is part of the party affiliation they have registered regardless of if they feel that person is the best choice for the job or even if they know what that person represents. They feel they are supposed to vote though and it doesn't help anything.

    I don't get involved with local gov't enough so I don't know what I will be missing there but as far as my President, Governor, and Congresses I don't see enough differnece in canidacies and platforms by my concerns to warrant chasing a ballot
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  • NetGNetG Posts: 8,116Registered Users
    I'll be voting. Whether or not I'll be putting in a choice for President, I can't say for certain. There are other issues on the ballot, though, and other candidates for other positions at a local level.

    I think I'll be voting in the Presidential race, too, but if neither one can prove to me that he's worth voting for, I'll think of my non-vote in that race as a statement.

    If only McCain or Edwards were running for President, I'd find it easier! (If Kerry could convince me he's changed his platform to match up better with Edwards, it would be easy! If Kerry convinced me one way or the other of what he believes, it would be easy!)
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  • ScaryCurlScaryCurl Posts: 138Registered Users
    I will be voting in the Presidential election. I don't agree with everything Bush has done, but Kerry scares the crap out of me.

    Anyway, for those not voting, I can understand why. Can anyone tell me why we only have the two choices? There are other parties that don't get any airtime and aren't even permitted to participate in the debates, etc. Why is that?
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  • SystemSystem Posts: 39,060 Administrator
    Maybe I'm a little overly sensitive after watching Angels in America (great HBO movie about woman's sufferage), but I will find a reason to see the difference in the candidates and vote. People suffered and died so that I can vote. IMHO least I could do is take a few minutes out of my day to research the candidates, find a difference and choose.
  • msrebamsreba Posts: 143Registered Users
    I will be voting in the Presidential election. I don't agree with everything Kerry has done, but Bush scares the crap out of me.

    So.. i'm in the anybody but bush camp.

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  • AnnaDMBAnnaDMB Posts: 13Registered Users
    I'm voting! This is my first time ever getting to vote in a Presidential election. I actually already voted (absentee ballot). I defintiely understand why people don't vote because of the candidates and what not, but to not vote out of sheer laziness, that is what I do not understand.
  • scubagalscubagal Posts: 44Registered Users
    ScaryCurl wrote:
    I will be voting in the Presidential election. I don't agree with everything Bush has done, but Kerry scares the crap out of me

    This is exactly why I am voting.

    Because if I don't, Bush will still be in office and the quality of human life for women all over the world will continue to disintegrate.... the man is toxic and I will vote for anyone to see Bush out of office.
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  • multicolorcurlsmulticolorcurls Posts: 85Registered Users
    AnnaDMB wrote:
    I'm voting! This is my first time ever getting to vote in a Presidential election. I actually already voted (absentee ballot).
    me too!
    I don't agree with everything Kerry has done, but Bush scares the crap out of me.
    again, me too
  • kmonsterkmonster Posts: 6Registered Users Curl Connoisseur
    I will vote, then I will feel sick to my stomach, as I have the last several elections. I hate dealing in "the lesser of two evils." I really wish one party or another would give me someone I could get excited about voting for. Or at least not nauseated.
  • WavyWendyWavyWendy Posts: 138Registered Users
    kmonster wrote:
    I will vote, then I will feel sick to my stomach, as I have the last several elections. I hate dealing in "the lesser of two evils." I really wish one party or another would give me someone I could get excited about voting for. Or at least not nauseated.

    Very well said - I couldn't agree with you more!

    Will I vote? In the words of 'Big' from 'Sex In The City' Absofu*kinglutely!!
    Who will I vote for - no clue....
    It will definitely come down to the lesser of two evils for me (as it often does in pres. elections). I am not all that thrilled with Bush - Kerry does scare the crap out of me - & just 'rubs me the wrong way'.
    Don't know what I will do .... I am glad I have about a month to decide....

    :)
    Wendy
  • ScaryCurlScaryCurl Posts: 138Registered Users
    scubagal wrote:

    This is exactly why I am voting.

    Because if I don't, Bush will still be in office and the quality of human life for women all over the world will continue to disintegrate.

    Can you elaborate on this? TIA.
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  • the doctorthe doctor Posts: 393Registered Users
    Bush is against abortion. If he could get one more anti-abortion judge in the SCOTUS, then the discussion about Roe v. Wade could be opened up again and it could potentially be thrown out.

    Also, he has made it clear that, when it comes to teenage sex education, the only groups he's willing to help are those who preach "no sex." Sorry, George, but teenagers are horny and Gods help us, they're gonna do stuff. The least we can do is inform them of the biological basics and help them TRY to be responsible. When a teen pregnancy happens, the female bears the brunt of the difficulty and responsibility. If she's uninformed, and if her boyfriend is uninformed....hello, babies having babies....or abortions...or throwing their babies in the trash at the high school prom. I'm no fan of abortion, but I don't think that you can take away the solution AND the prevention and expect people to magically not have the problem anymore. That's moronic.

    He does not want AIDS clinics in Africa who provide abortion and contraception to receive our assistance, even though AIDS is epidemic there.
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  • Aya9877Aya9877 Posts: 97Registered Users
    the_cheat wrote:
    Bush is against abortion. If he could get one more anti-abortion judge in the SCOTUS, then the discussion about Roe v. Wade could be opened up again and it could potentially be thrown out.

    This is what scares the crap out of me. I started a thread about this very thing. I feel like it is just not getting enough attention. We have 2 justices that are over 80 years old, 2 over 70, and 4 over 60. It seems not only likely but probably that in the next 4 years one or more of them could retire. You have to wonder why some of them haven't already retired. I'm hoping it's because they are holding out for a new president to be appointed, seeing as how it is the president that appoints the new justice (with Senate approval).

    And since it is a life term, the new justices will very likely be around for another 30+ years.

    Now that's something to think about.

    The_cheat brought of some very very good points. It seems like many people are focusing on the war and foreign affairs, while things like this go umentioned..
    GuardianB wrote:
    I am perfect.
    - February 25, 2004

    Aya. That's Aya spelled backwards.

    Barack Obama for President in 2008!
  • scubagalscubagal Posts: 44Registered Users
    the_cheat wrote:
    Bush is against abortion. If he could get one more anti-abortion judge in the SCOTUS, then the discussion about Roe v. Wade could be opened up again and it could potentially be thrown out.

    Also, he has made it clear that, when it comes to teenage sex education, the only groups he's willing to help are those who preach "no sex." Sorry, George, but teenagers are horny and Gods help us, they're gonna do stuff. The least we can do is inform them of the biological basics and help them TRY to be responsible. When a teen pregnancy happens, the female bears the brunt of the difficulty and responsibility. If she's uninformed, and if her boyfriend is uninformed....hello, babies having babies....or abortions...or throwing their babies in the trash at the high school prom. I'm no fan of abortion, but I don't think that you can take away the solution AND the prevention and expect people to magically not have the problem anymore. That's moronic.

    He does not want AIDS clinics in Africa who provide abortion and contraception to receive our assistance, even though AIDS is epidemic there.

    Additionally, Bush and his organization cut 34 Million dollars in UNFPA funding, money that was congressionally approved. Money that was deciated to to provide safe motherhood, HIV prevention, and contraceptives for women in the world's poorest countries.

    Bush's reasoning for cutting the funds is based on his own personal religious views and completely not based on fact in how the money is being spent. His misguided assumption is that the money is being spent on forced sterilization and abortions, which is not at all mission of the UNFPA. Instead Bush listened to anti-family planning organiztions, cut the funding, despite the fact that even Colin Powell went personally and witnessed the organization in action and came back reporting Bush was wrong and the money should be re-instated, considering the american people voted, and congress approved the funds.

    Thanks to Bush and his dangerous and toxic, uneducated short sighted religious zealous nature- UNFPA experts estimate that the $34 million cut by Bush could lead each year to 2 million unwanted pregnancies, 800,000 induced abortions, and 4700 maternal deaths, as well as 77,000 infant and child deaths.

    Way to go Bush. Like I said, as a woman I don't understand how ANYONE could vote for Bush, given how little regard he apparently has for them in general. This is simply one more example of how dangerous he is....
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  • msrandeemsrandee Posts: 61Registered Users
    the man is toxic and I will vote for anyone to see Bush out of office.

    That's why I'm voting, too. Though, I'm a little scared that my vote will not be counted because of things like this I've been seeing more and more lately:

    http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=694&e=4&u=/ap/ohio_election_chief

    This, battleground state attacks, and other disasters. It's hard to tell what is a legitimate threat and what isn't, especially with this administration! I want to be in Tennessee or somewhere safe during Election Day. Maybe I'll vote at 6 in the morning then head south... It's bad that we have to worry about stuff like this.
  • LaVidaCurlyLaVidaCurly Posts: 58Registered Users
    To me Bush and his cronies represent the Anit-Christ! Unless, you have millions of dollars and have a big business like Enron I can't understand why anyone would vote for Bush. I have come to the conclusion that it must be some sort of status symbol for people to vote for Bush. I mean, does getting a couple hundred bucks back from the IRS really make a difference for people. No. But, the spiraling out-of-control deficit his tax-break contributes to, is a huge problem for this country. But, Bush voters don't give a rat's azz. They vote for people they can relate to on a personal level (as ignorant as themselves).

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  • SystemSystem Posts: 39,060 Administrator
    I mean, does getting a couple hundred bucks back from the IRS really make a difference for people.

    Hell yes. Especially when they didn't deserve to have that money in the first place through back asswards taxing policies. It's not always about how much money you do or do not have, but what's fair and equitable. It's bad enough that I have to contribute to govt programs that I dont believe in. I guess that's the price I pay (literally) for living in this country.

    I look forward to the day that our tax code gets thrown out.
  • scubagalscubagal Posts: 44Registered Users
    Even if you are a rebuplican, a different rebuplican in office would be more palatable fiscally speaking.

    Bush is clearly socially conservative, and has shown himself to be far more LIBERAL on fiscal issues than any Republican should be, so even the only pro-Bush arguement that might have me on the fence (hey, I like my money)- Bush is still the wrong man for the job.
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  • SystemSystem Posts: 39,060 Administrator
    I agree. His spending on social programs that should clearly be under the private sector is completely out of control. Whatever happened to decreasing the size of govt that Republicans used to pride themselves on?
  • NetGNetG Posts: 8,116Registered Users
    I agree. His spending on social programs that should clearly be under the private sector is completely out of control. Whatever happened to decreasing the size of govt that Republicans used to pride themselves on?

    I agree with this completely! I think of myself as socially liberal and fiscally Republican. But with both candidates against gay marriage and both wanting to grow government more and more, neither one fits what I want in a candidate!

    The thing that scares me about Kerry is everything I've heard from him involves even more spending than Bush. He's going to increase the size of the military, get them the newest technology and weapons to keep them safe, negotiate lower rates for drugs while increasing research, provide more health care options for those who have nothing now, and it goes on and on! He also claims he's going to help lower the deficit. Nothing I've seen/heard from Kerry tells me how this can be possible unless he ends up taxing us up the wazoo.


    (And if any of you can point me to a place where Kerry *does* give a good answer of how this is possible, you'll help me on the sticking point that has me not wanting to vote for him. I don't know if Munchkin's the same, but you may be convincing at least one on-the-fence voter!)
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  • BBBB Posts: 475Registered Users
    People have brought up an excellent point. Back in the day, you voted Republican if you were for small government -- you believed people would give money to fund social programs and the government didn't have to take money to do it. You voted Democrat if you felt it was the government's responsibility to make sure our neediest were taken care of. Reagan changed all that when he made abortion and such social issues.
    I couldn't even imagine voting for someone who will not support stem cell research. I also think that women who are pro-choice need to WAKE UP! You are thisclose to losing your right to chose.
    I have a sincere question for Bush supporters: there are many people who are scared to death that Bush will be re-elected. Aren't you a bit curious as to why that is? It certainly would make me think twice.
    I didn't support Reagan but I understood why people liked him. I supported Clinton but I understood why people didn't like him. I cannot fathom why people like this President because he scares the bejeesus out of me.
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  • NetGNetG Posts: 8,116Registered Users
    BB wrote:
    I have a sincere question for Bush supporters: there are many people who are scared to death that Bush will be re-elected. Aren't you a bit curious as to why that is? It certainly would make me think twice.
    I didn't support Reagan but I understood why people liked him. I supported Clinton but I understood why people didn't like him. I cannot fathom why people like this President because he scares the bejeesus out of me.

    I think some people disagree with the reasons people are scared of Bush.

    But also, I know I'm afraid of Kerry, too.

    I wish I had a choice who did NOT scare me!
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  • CurlyGina2CurlyGina2 Posts: 1,048Registered Users
    Fucking ****, I will be out of the country. But I have my absentee ballot and Yes, Yes, YES I am voting! I have never felt such passion for politics ever before. I want Bush OUT! Kerry gets my vote.
  • the doctorthe doctor Posts: 393Registered Users
    It always cracks me up when Republicans talk about "big government" as a negative. Hello, did the government shrink lately? It's big by design, so that power isn't centralized too much.

    My teacher was lecturing about this yesterday. He said:

    1. When a Republican is in power, the national debt stays the same or goes UP. This is done because they cut taxes. When they cut taxes they reduce revenue, which means that they are spending more on paying the interest of the national debt, and less on government services. But tax cuts are often weighted in favor of certain brackets over others, so while some people's tax load IS less, overall, the amount and quality of government PROGRAMS is reduced across the board. It's not "smaller government" though. The programs and offices are still the same, some of them just have smaller budgets which isn't necessarily a plus. Reagan added more to the national debt than all previous Republican Presidents COMBINED. And Bush is adding even more than Reagan did.

    2. When a Democrat is in power, the national debt goes DOWN or stays the same. This is caused usually by an increase in taxes or attempts to close loopholes used by the ultrarich(corporations, not just people.) Usually the focus is more on equalizing the burden rather than re-taxing those already paying their full share(such as in Oregon, when PGE cried poverty despite a year of record profits, and used a small-business loophole to pay only TEN dollars in taxes in 2003.) Either way, the result, when it works, is a surplus. This surplus is used to fund the government's programs so that borrowing and adding more to the national debt is NOT necessary.

    But the government, again, stays the same size, more or less.

    The big difference between a liberal and a conservative is this:

    Conservatives think "Get your own. I only got enough for me."
    Liberals think "If I buy the big package, it'll cost more, there'll
    be enough to go around."
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  • goldilocks777goldilocks777 Posts: 1,020Registered Users
    Why are those of you who say you are afraid of Kerry afraid?

    NetG, from what I can gather you said you are afraid Kerry might raise taxes?

    What I find difficult to understand is how electing a candidate that *may* try to raise taxes (which would have to be approved by other legislating bodies before it could take effect)--despite flat out denying that he would in the debate last night (though I guess George Senior showed us that doesn't mean much)-- is more unbearable than electing a candidate that ALREADY HAS:

    led our country into war that was unjustified and mismanaged
    increased the national deficit by HUGE amounts
    lied to the public
    made the US a mockery among other countries
    lost allies internationally
    implemented ridiculous policies on education, the environment, and a whole passel of other domestic issues
    etc...I think most of us know where this is going.

    I do not understand why Kerry is being judged on the same level as Bush. Bush had his chance for 4 years, he did a terrible job. Yes, Kerry may do a terrible job as well...but he may not. We cannot know. What we can know is that Bush HAS done a bad job, and we owe it to ourselves to try for something better.

    I personally believe where a President has the most power/effect/largest role is as an international representative of our country and as our military leader. I do not want Bush either representing us internationally or leading our troops--I do not believe he has the judgement or intelligence for either.

    So to answer the question....yes, I will be voting :-)

    For those of you who aren't voting...why don't you write in a candidate? Perhaps that would make more of a statement than not voting at all?
  • NetGNetG Posts: 8,116Registered Users
    Nope. It's not about taxes.

    I'm more concerned about the HUGE gap in what Kerry's going to spend vs. what he says his budget is going to be. I want to know what he's cutting, and how he's making it happen.

    He could very well make changes which hugely affect all of us, when he decides on cuts, but I don't know where.


    And in the debate he said he doesn't plan on cuts, but what he also really said was "a $1000 additional credit for families" which still screws over anyone who's single or doesn't have kids.....he could well raise taxes without having lied last night. But taxes are NOT anywhere in my top list of concerns.
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  • DCWavyLadyDCWavyLady Posts: 373Registered Users
    I'd rather pay higher taxes than have Bush in office for all of the reasons Goldilocks777 gave.
    I could add more, but it's simple.
    Bush got his 4 years...he screwed up and I'm not willing to give him another chance. For goodness sake, GET HIM OUT OF THE WHITE HOUSE before he creates more problems than he already has.

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