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I got a 'deva' cut in Minneapolis!!

2happy2happy Posts: 5,138Registered Users
I checked the deva concepts web site and it a listed a deva stylist in Minneapolis. I have checked before and theres never been one listed. So, I made the appt. and went. She is new, just went to New York in April and was trained by Maria at Devachan. She did a fabulous job and I can only assume she will just get better. All the things that I have heard others talk about before (seaweed, squishes, etc) finally made sense. I will continue to go to Carolyn- even though it was over a 1 1/2 hour drive. Oh, fabulous price - $40.00!! If your in driving distance of Minneapolis, I can't recommend enough giving her a try.

First we talked. My wants, my problems, my products, techniques, etc. Then she cut all the individual curls around my head. Then had me flip my head over and cut the hidden individual curls underneath. She washed (CO) my hair - very gently. That was the first thing I found out I was doing wrong. I'm quite aggressive in my scalp scrubbing and she was slow, firm and yet gentle. She said my fast aggressiveness was just roughing up the cuticle more, and breaking up the clumps. Then she rinsed and added more condish and squished/scrunched it into my head - instead of 'smoothing' it in and combing. She worked it in and added more until it was slimy like seaweed (and had me feel it). She raked her fingers through slightly feeling for knots. She found a few underneath and added more condish and just worked it out - very little raking. She rinsed all the condish out and gently scrunched some of the excess water out. Then she had me gently flip over and she gently scrunched the water with a towel just to stop it from dripping. Back to her chair we went where she mixed condish and gel together and rubbed it into both hands and scrunched it into the bottom of my hair. Then did the same thing up higher on my head. She very slightly went over the canopy saying the top will take care of itself. She used a lot of product and scrunched it til it made the 'squish' noise. Again, she had me feel it. She said all my products were good (the same we all use here girls :wink: ), it was my technique that was fighting the clumping! She diffused to 80% dry. Put my hair in the diffuser cup and scrunched it to my scalp and held it there until that part was close to dry. I had the fattest frizz free curls I have ever had. She then snipped a few more curls and had me flip over again. I was good to go. It was 2:00 p.m.. I went shopping next - trying on shirts - probably 20 of them, all pulled over my head. Then I got rained on. Then it was humid. Then I was rained on again. Then I went to a bon fire and got home at midnight. Fat frizz free curls still!! Whoo hoo - life was good.

Now today, I tried myself. I did better than I ever have before, but not as good as her. I think if I can't achieve what she did, I will make another appt to go back just for her to style it again - no cut - just to refresh what/how she did things. I wish I would have written stuff down right away, and I wish I would have snapped a couple pictures. Oh well. The end result is that I now know it is possible for my hair to have fatter curls and no frizz, I've just got to learn to do it!
Handle every stressful situation like a dog. If you can't eat it or hump it.....Piss on it and walk away.
Location - WI
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  • hockeymomof3hockeymomof3 Posts: 2,159Registered Users
    Wow! Sounds awesome! Sounds like a great experience -- glad you had a great experience -- I can't wait to make my appt sometime.
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  • wild~hairwild~hair Posts: 9,890Registered Users
    Wow, cool!

    I am in Mpls and was thinking about getting my hair cut professionally. I usually cut it myself, but I can afford to spend $40. Last place I lived, in SF, if you wanted a decent cut, you had to drop about $65.

    I'm going to check this out. Thanks for telling us!
  • alaskabellealaskabelle Posts: 216Registered Users
    Thanks for the detailed description of your haircut experience. I am printing out your post and am going to try that at home. I'm still trying to figure out how to prepare my hair for air-drying.

    Can I ask you, how long is your hair; how thick or thin is it; how curly is it....?? Thanks!
    3aFii, ?/26/36+ (wet)
    CG since 5-29-07
    Current condish: Nature's Gate Aloe & Regis Cherry Almond
  • CurliLocksCurliLocks Posts: 10,571Registered Users
    So happy you had a great experience and found a wonderful stylist. :) Woohoo! Pics later?
    SF Bay Area, CA * "The Angel-Goddess-Guru of Haircoloring" :D
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  • nimbex.nimbex. Posts: 38Registered Users
    Yeah! Thanks so much for sharing this info with us, I always check that locator but had kinda given up on finding Minneapolis listed. Did she use Deva products on your hair? How about that neat devasun dryer? It would be great to try that thing out...

    Jennifer
  • xcptnlxcptnl Posts: 15,678Registered Users
    That is Fantastic!!! Isnt it good to know your hair can do it?? That always makes me feel better just knowing it will do it I just need to perfect the technique.
    Central Massachusetts

    One good reason to only maintain a small circle of friends is that three out of four murders are committed by people who know the victim. ~George Carlin~

    In regards to Vagazzling: They just want to get into the goods without worrying about getting scratched up by fake crystals. ~spring1onu~
  • 2happy2happy Posts: 5,138Registered Users
    Can I ask you, how long is your hair; how thick or thin is it; how curly is it....?? Thanks!

    Length - just below my shoulders - multi layered.
    I have fine hair and med-thin, more to the thin side.
    Curls range all the way from 2b to 3a with a corkscrew curl here and there. You wouldn't ever call me a wavy, I'm definately a curly.
    Handle every stressful situation like a dog. If you can't eat it or hump it.....Piss on it and walk away.
    Location - WI
  • alaskabellealaskabelle Posts: 216Registered Users
    Hmmm sounds a bit like mine, although mine is not very layered and probably curls up a bit shorter. Similar texture though. I am definitely going to try this Minneapolis Method and post it here....
    3aFii, ?/26/36+ (wet)
    CG since 5-29-07
    Current condish: Nature's Gate Aloe & Regis Cherry Almond
  • ~Zoe~~Zoe~ Posts: 48Registered Users
    I'm so excited that you posted this, 2happy! I'm in St. Paul and have yet to find a stylist who can cut my curly hair. Next time I need a cut i'm going to try Carolyn. $40 is not bad for a haircut. I've been paying way more for my haircuts and usually end up looking like a christmas tree or a poodle.
  • 2happy2happy Posts: 5,138Registered Users
    nimbex. wrote:
    Did she use Deva products on your hair? How about that neat devasun dryer? It would be great to try that thing out...

    Jennifer

    Nope, no deva products. Just a normal salon dryer with a diffuser cup on the end. She didn't try to peddle any products at me or anything, it was great.

    I was actually kicking myself when I left because I now know it can be achieved with what I have - I can no longer say "my hair just won't do that". I can openly admit to being all thumbs and may never achieve her 'technique' though....sadly......
    Handle every stressful situation like a dog. If you can't eat it or hump it.....Piss on it and walk away.
    Location - WI
  • 2happy2happy Posts: 5,138Registered Users
    ~Zoe~ wrote:
    I'm so excited that you posted this, 2happy! I'm in St. Paul and have yet to find a stylist who can cut my curly hair. Next time I need a cut i'm going to try Carolyn. $40 is not bad for a haircut. I've been paying way more for my haircuts and usually end up looking like a christmas tree or a poodle.

    I hear you on that!! I have made the drive to downtown twice before following recommendations I read on CurlSalons and the end result was I drove too far and spent too much money when I could have went to anyone around my own little town and got the same hair cut - hack job!

    I've been here (nc.com) for almost 2 years reading the praises of the deva cut and how it's so different and better. I can happily agree now. I'm super glad I don't have to pay $200.00!!
    Handle every stressful situation like a dog. If you can't eat it or hump it.....Piss on it and walk away.
    Location - WI
  • SnarlsSnarls Posts: 2,537Registered Users
    Hmmmm....I'd either have to leave at 4 am and return in the dark, or spend the night in the Twin Cities to get this treatment....but sometimes I fly over Minneapolis, maybe I could schedule it so I could get my hair done during wait time!

    (OK, that's crazy talk)

    I've always wondered if a deva trained stylist could actually make my hair look like something.

    Did she mix half conditioner with half gel for the leave-in? Was it One C and AnGell/ArcAnGell? I like the One C as a rinse out, but I've never been able to get it to work for me as a leave-in. So it must be my technique. We need a YouTube video!

    How cool that you had this wonderful experience, and that we finally have a deva stylist at least bordering Wisconsin! I hope she sticks around! Yay, you!
    formerly Castella
    (my dogs aren't snarly, my hair is)
  • 2happy2happy Posts: 5,138Registered Users
    Castella wrote:
    Hmmmm....I'd either have to leave at 4 am and return in the dark, or spend the night in the Twin Cities to get this treatment....but sometimes I fly over Minneapolis, maybe I could schedule it so I could get my hair done during wait time!

    (OK, that's crazy talk)

    I've always wondered if a deva trained stylist could actually make my hair look like something.

    Did she mix half conditioner with half gel for the leave-in? Was it One C and AnGell/ArcAnGell? I like the One C as a rinse out, but I've never been able to get it to work for me as a leave-in. So it must be my technique. We need a YouTube video!

    How cool that you had this wonderful experience, and that we finally have a deva stylist at least bordering Wisconsin! I hope she sticks around! Yay, you!

    You could make a weekend trip out of it (driving), or do a 1 night layover. if flying!! Well worth it.

    I really should have looked at her amounts, but I didn't. I'm guessing equal amounts. No deva products, just salon condish and gel.

    YouTube - funny, I had the exact same thought until she had me flip over to do my underneath. Then I was like THANK GOD this isn't on video!!! :lol: On the serious side, I should have my daughter video tape it just for guidance at home!! Maybe next time :wink:
    Handle every stressful situation like a dog. If you can't eat it or hump it.....Piss on it and walk away.
    Location - WI
  • 2happy2happy Posts: 5,138Registered Users
    I just remembered something else. After she diffused to 80% dry, she said that was the time to scrunch out any crunch. She said after that (scrunching out the crunch), your hair should feel basically product free and soft, and it was! My daughter touched it several times after we left asking if she really put anything in it.

    So, for one day I had big clumps of soft frizz free hair. I tried for second day hair today and ended up with producty frizzy skinny hair that I ended putting up :cry: But, on the bright side, I know it's possible and will keep trying.
    Handle every stressful situation like a dog. If you can't eat it or hump it.....Piss on it and walk away.
    Location - WI
  • xcptnlxcptnl Posts: 15,678Registered Users
    2happy wrote:
    Castella wrote:
    Hmmmm....I'd either have to leave at 4 am and return in the dark, or spend the night in the Twin Cities to get this treatment....but sometimes I fly over Minneapolis, maybe I could schedule it so I could get my hair done during wait time!

    (OK, that's crazy talk)

    I've always wondered if a deva trained stylist could actually make my hair look like something.

    Did she mix half conditioner with half gel for the leave-in? Was it One C and AnGell/ArcAnGell? I like the One C as a rinse out, but I've never been able to get it to work for me as a leave-in. So it must be my technique. We need a YouTube video!

    How cool that you had this wonderful experience, and that we finally have a deva stylist at least bordering Wisconsin! I hope she sticks around! Yay, you!

    You could make a weekend trip out of it (driving), or do a 1 night layover. if flying!! Well worth it.

    I really should have looked at her amounts, but I didn't. I'm guessing equal amounts. No deva products, just salon condish and gel.

    YouTube - funny, I had the exact same thought until she had me flip over to do my underneath. Then I was like THANK GOD this isn't on video!!! :lol: On the serious side, I should have my daughter video tape it just for guidance at home!! Maybe next time :wink:

    I think everyone at the salon where I had mine done thought my stylist had gone insane! She had me flip over as well to scrunch with paper towels and then she is on her knees scrunching like a crazy woman!
    Central Massachusetts

    One good reason to only maintain a small circle of friends is that three out of four murders are committed by people who know the victim. ~George Carlin~

    In regards to Vagazzling: They just want to get into the goods without worrying about getting scratched up by fake crystals. ~spring1onu~
  • alaskabellealaskabelle Posts: 216Registered Users
    :lol: I know exactly what you mean about "skinny" hair. I've been calling it my "80's reject" look. Products are a love-hate thing for fine hair! No product and I get frizz. Product = I get skinny 80s hair.

    This thread has given me hope, however....hope that I can have soft curly hair.....
    3aFii, ?/26/36+ (wet)
    CG since 5-29-07
    Current condish: Nature's Gate Aloe & Regis Cherry Almond
  • juvjoyjuvjoy Posts: 670Registered Users
    Cool! 40 bucks is awesome! I'm visiting my parents near Minn. in Aug. for 3 weeks - I should book!!!!!!
  • 2happy2happy Posts: 5,138Registered Users
    juvjoy wrote:
    Cool! 40 bucks is awesome! I'm visiting my parents near Minn. in Aug. for 3 weeks - I should book!!!!!!

    I wouldn't even hestitate! Make the appt. Now, remember Kim, it is YOUR picture that I took in with me for an example of 'nice' curls :oops:. I have such a hair crush on you!!

    Oh, and Carolyn is fully aware of NC.COM. Maybe she's here........shoot, I should have asked.
    Handle every stressful situation like a dog. If you can't eat it or hump it.....Piss on it and walk away.
    Location - WI
  • orangeserendipity32orangeserendipity32 Posts: 312Registered Users
    Thanks again for the heads up 2Happy! I'm so excited for you that you liked her and the results!!! I am definitely gonna check her out too. I can't believe there is one within minutes of me-truly surprising. Weren't you pleasantly surprised when you found out it was $40? That is what I pay for a "regular" haircut. So, I am curious, what products did she use on you?

    Congrats on happy, happy hair!

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  • 2happy2happy Posts: 5,138Registered Users
    Weren't you pleasantly surprised when you found out it was $40? That is what I pay for a "regular" haircut. So, I am curious, what products did she use on you?
    :D

    I was tickled pink about the price! I forgot to ask her how much for coloring (which she is also deva trained at) - crap! Next time.

    All she used for products was some condish mixed with gel. She had asked me what products I used and I listed most of them

    [buylink=http://www.curlmart.com/Jessicurl-Too-Shea-Extra-Moisturizing-Conditioner-p-105.html?utm_source=naturallycurly.com&utm_medium=text-link&utm_content=curltalk-post-text&utm_campaign=jessicurl-too-shea-extra-moisturizing-conditioner]Too Shea[/buylink]
    One C
    Elucence
    Activate
    Kenra
    ETC
    Boots,
    Tizz No Frizz
    [buylink=http://www.curlmart.com/Curly-Hair-Solutions-Curl-Keeper-p-28.html?utm_source=naturallycurly.com&utm_medium=text-link&utm_content=curltalk-post-text&utm_campaign=curly-hair-solutions-curl-keeper]Curl Keeper[/buylink]
    Biolage Gelee
    BRHG
    ETC
    Fast Food
    Recoil
    Curl Junkie Banana Hibiscus Leave In
    GF Curl & Shine
    [buylink=http://www.curlmart.com/Jessicurl-Weekly-Deep-Conditioning-Treatment-p-106.html?utm_source=naturallycurly.com&utm_medium=text-link&utm_content=curltalk-post-text&utm_campaign=jessicurl-weekly-deep-conditioner-treatment]JC WDT[/buylink]
    Low Poo
    CoN
    [buylink=http://www.curlmart.com/Jessicurl-Aloeba-Daily-Conditioner-p-104.html?utm_source=naturallycurly.com&utm_medium=text-link&utm_content=curltalk-post-text&utm_campaign=jessicurl-aloeba-daily-conditioner]JC Aloeba[/buylink]
    ETC
    Oh Lord, the list just continues!

    Anyway, at that point, she said what I was using was fantastic and too just work on my technique. She never even mentioned what kind of condish she was using, or the gel.
    In fact, when she was cleansing my hair, I asked what she was using and she said it was just a thick conditioner - she never mentioned the name of that either.

    She has the love of curly hair, not just out to make a buck!
    Handle every stressful situation like a dog. If you can't eat it or hump it.....Piss on it and walk away.
    Location - WI
  • SnarlsSnarls Posts: 2,537Registered Users
    Did she say anything about getting over-conditioned?

    I did the scrunching in OneC, seaweed thing tonight, and then mixed gel with CJ Hibiscus Banana and put that on. It looks good, we'll see about tomorrow. I ending up using more gel & CJ than I usually use, to get that seaweedy feeling.

    It would be so great if hair stylists made house calls!
    formerly Castella
    (my dogs aren't snarly, my hair is)
  • 2happy2happy Posts: 5,138Registered Users
    Castella wrote:
    Did she say anything about getting over-conditioned?

    I did the scrunching in OneC, seaweed thing tonight, and then mixed gel with CJ Hibiscus Banana and put that on. It looks good, we'll see about tomorrow. I ending up using more gel & CJ than I usually use, to get that seaweedy feeling.

    It would be so great if hair stylists made house calls!

    Ya know, she didn't. Thats a good thought though, I do tend to get overconditioned. I've been planning to try mixing one of my cremes with a gel (like boots, [buylink=http://www.curlmart.com/Curly-Hair-Solutions-Curl-Keeper-p-28.html?utm_source=naturallycurly.com&utm_medium=text-link&utm_content=curltalk-post-text&utm_campaign=curly-hair-solutions-curl-keeper]curl keeper[/buylink], etc) instead of condish, just to mix things up (and use my products!). I'm a true believer in rotation!! And like you did, a leave in would probably work great.
    Handle every stressful situation like a dog. If you can't eat it or hump it.....Piss on it and walk away.
    Location - WI
  • SnarlsSnarls Posts: 2,537Registered Users
    OK! So I tried the 2Happy ( :D ) method last night. Condition until seaweedy. Scrunch out rinsing, no pulling the hair. Gel + leave-in, scrunched in until seaweedy (holy cow, that's a lot of product).

    Fuzzy this morning, so smoothed with CurlKeeper and a little water.

    Looking good! I just asked someone at work if the hair situation was better-worse-same as always and she said BETTER. With no leading questions from me, she said that my hair looks fuller (I said, "clumpy?" and she said "OK, if that's what you call it") and freer. She said it's hanging better :lol: and the curls look good. I told her that to me, my hair feels super producty. We agreed that she could touch my hair and she thought it felt completely normal, no product at all.

    I described the routine to her and she thought it was A LOT of work! :lol: She thinks curly hair is wash & go. Anyway, she predicts that I'll make the trip to Minneapolis before the summer is over!

    So it looks good today, but I bet if I did this 2 or 3 days in a row, it would get really frizzy. So I'm plotting a rotation...this alternating with JoiWhip. And always having the CurlKeeper on standbye, it really has been working well for me on dry hair with a little water. Who knew.
    formerly Castella
    (my dogs aren't snarly, my hair is)
  • cosmicflycosmicfly Posts: 1,814Registered Users
    I tried the 2happy styling method yesterday, and I have to say, I'm impressed. My hair has been really sucky lately, but I'm on 2nd day hair, here, and that is very rare for me. I used GF Sleek & Shine leave in and Angell, both of which worked really well for me last summer but have been meh so far this year.
    I'm so excited!! :D
  • 2happy2happy Posts: 5,138Registered Users
    I have severe scrunching stupids apparently. I wreck it everytime and end up with skinny curls. I think I'm going to have to go back to her and have my daughter video tape just how the heck she scrunched my hair and kept big fat curls.

    I'm getting no frizz, so my products are working (and I've switched them everyday) - just funky skinny curls from bad scrunching and diffusing. GRRRRRRR.

    So glad others of you are having good luck!!
    Handle every stressful situation like a dog. If you can't eat it or hump it.....Piss on it and walk away.
    Location - WI
  • xcptnlxcptnl Posts: 15,678Registered Users
    2happy wrote:
    I have severe scrunching stupids apparently. I wreck it everytime and end up with skinny curls. I think I'm going to have to go back to her and have my daughter video tape just how the heck she scrunched my hair and kept big fat curls.

    I'm getting no frizz, so my products are working (and I've switched them everyday) - just funky skinny curls from bad scrunching and diffusing. GRRRRRRR.

    So glad others of you are having good luck!!

    Don't feel bad - I had 2 maybe 3 days of good hair using the CJ creme under some layers of gel - now it's gone. I am back to smaller clumps and some frizz.

    Also this freaking New England weather is probably not helping. We go from 80s/90s with high humidity to the 50s with 0 in a matter of days.

    Ok...I am done whining (for now). I will keep my fingers crossed for you and think big clump thoughts!
    Central Massachusetts

    One good reason to only maintain a small circle of friends is that three out of four murders are committed by people who know the victim. ~George Carlin~

    In regards to Vagazzling: They just want to get into the goods without worrying about getting scratched up by fake crystals. ~spring1onu~
  • SnarlsSnarls Posts: 2,537Registered Users
    I've tried it twice now. I get good hair but it kind of collapses around 3 PM and becomes all frizzy.

    Do you think the ratio of gel to conditioner matters? I'm guessing it's the conditioner that enhances clumping.

    There was a thread from about a year ago, when there was a curl event in Austin with L Massey and the women who attended shared lots of tips similar to what is said here. The only thing that strikes me as different is mixing the conditioner with the gel, instead of applying them separately. And I don't know that there was any followup...if the women were able to successfully continue using that method.

    Oh, I did discover last night that some gels and conditioners do not mix well together!
    formerly Castella
    (my dogs aren't snarly, my hair is)
  • 2happy2happy Posts: 5,138Registered Users
    Castella wrote:
    I've tried it twice now. I get good hair but it kind of collapses around 3 PM and becomes all frizzy.

    Do you think the ratio of gel to conditioner matters? I'm guessing it's the conditioner that enhances clumping.

    Oh, I did discover last night that some gels and conditioners do not mix well together!

    Somethings you find out the hard way :wink:

    I'm sure the ratio does matter, and the ratio probably changes with different products also. Some are heavier, some are waterier, etc. It makes me want to shave my head....I mean bang my head :wink:

    I wonder if Set It Free, or [buylink=http://www.curlmart.com/Jessicurl-Gelebration-Spray-p-101.html?utm_source=naturallycurly.com&utm_medium=text-link&utm_content=curltalk-post-text&utm_campaign=jessicurl-gelebration-spray]Gelebration[/buylink] would give you a pick me up around 3:00? Might be worth a shot.

    Hey, side note to Castella - are you out of weather danger today? Looks like I'm going to get hit. It can't be good when they started warning us of tornados on Tue. for today. Starting to look pretty ugly outside and the wind will knock you over. I believe it's still a few hours away though. So, if I'm not around later today - lets assume I only lost power :shock: !!!
    Handle every stressful situation like a dog. If you can't eat it or hump it.....Piss on it and walk away.
    Location - WI
  • SnarlsSnarls Posts: 2,537Registered Users
    I bumped the thread, it's the "Spill the beans" one.

    Weather, it's awfully windy. I grew up in tornado country, I take the warnings seriously. So far I haven't gotten that weird feeling you get when the weather is all ominous. We always called it the tornado weather feeling. Hoping for just some storms, no hail. I guess the soil is saturated pretty deeply, and there's talk about trees tipping and falling.
    formerly Castella
    (my dogs aren't snarly, my hair is)
  • xcptnlxcptnl Posts: 15,678Registered Users
    You two be careful in the bad weather!!!
    Central Massachusetts

    One good reason to only maintain a small circle of friends is that three out of four murders are committed by people who know the victim. ~George Carlin~

    In regards to Vagazzling: They just want to get into the goods without worrying about getting scratched up by fake crystals. ~spring1onu~
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