Cultural discussion board..

ZARIA**ZARIA** Registered Users Posts: 706
I would just like to suggest a cultural discussion board. Discussions about culture are a serious need. How can we say what we really feel, if it gets a little heated then it gets locked? Members are always compaining about too many race threads but if we had a seperate place to discuss culture, that wouldnt be an issue anymore. I personally think its an excellent idea. What do you (the members) think?
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  • MeghuneyMeghuney Registered Users Posts: 4,263
    Good idea, Zaria. Obviously, there are people who like such topics...(because some of the same people start them...) and I enjoy reading responses. I think it's so interesting to see the different views of people. It's actually a learning experience.
    If it IS put in a seperate place, those who get "tired of seeing them" won't have to see them unless they make it a point. Those who would like to participate can make it a point to go to the section.
  • naturaltnaturalt Registered Users Posts: 175 Curl Neophyte
    I don't think we should have a separate discussion for cultural issues. It just sounds like a euphamism for "The Black Threads" to me. JMHO.
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  • hnyhpshnyhps Registered Users Posts: 134
    <BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by naturalt:
    I don't think we should have a separate discussion for cultural issues. It just sounds like a euphamism for "The Black Threads" to me. JMHO.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

    I agree.
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  • FreeCurlsFreeCurls Registered Users Posts: 4,408
    because you asked us to go to this board, I'll repost my opinion over here.

    <BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR> I for one am totally against it. We don't need another section for Race threads.
    This is a HAIR BOARD people. It was nice of NC.com to provide us with a non-hair discussion area, but facilitating a meeting of the minds to debate the world's ills is not the purpose of this site and I doubt it was the intention of the site's creators.

    If you feel you need to have a place to talk about race issues then perhaps you need to shop around for another board.

    Are we then going to spin off Abortion areas and religion areas? Hoo-Ha areas?!?!?

    If you want to discuss things other than hair then do it in the non-hair discussion area. And as has been said many times before if you don't want to be subject to the rigors of the race threads. then DON'T READ THEM! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
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  • MeghuneyMeghuney Registered Users Posts: 4,263
    ****..it was just a suggestion.
  • ZARIA**ZARIA** Registered Users Posts: 706
    <BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Springcurl:
    Here's what I said in another post:



    It's a hair board, yes. But NC.com also has a separate segment for curly fitness and a separate segment for recipes. They don't get much use, from what I've observed. One could argue that they could be merged into the general board... but they're not, and that's fine. In the end, it's all up to Gretchen and MIchelle, but what's the difference between having a separate board for curly fitness and recipes and having one for race issues?

    [ June 09, 2003: Message edited by: Springcurl ][/QB]<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

    I couldnt have said it better icon_biggrin.gif
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  • ZARIA**ZARIA** Registered Users Posts: 706
    <BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by naturalt:
    I don't think we should have a separate discussion for cultural issues. It just sounds like a euphamism for "The Black Threads" to me. JMHO.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


    Dont they already have a 'thread to organize all race threads' thread?
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  • naturaltnaturalt Registered Users Posts: 175 Curl Neophyte
    <BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by *Zaria*:



    Dont they already have a 'thread to organize all race threads' thread?
    <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

    Yeah, but that,IMO, is a joke.
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  • kurlykittykurlykitty Registered Users Posts: 162
    <BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Springcurl:
    In the end, it's all up to Gretchen and MIchelle, but what's the difference between having a separate board for curly fitness and recipes and having one for race issues?
    <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

    Curly fitness is separated so that those who are trying to gain/lose weight or use specific methods of weight loss will be able to discuss their progress in a supportive group rather than have their chosen diet or their goals debated, discussed, and ridiculed.

    The recipe forum is useful to separate so that it is easier to search for and find the really awesome peach-rum cobbler recipe someone posted last summer.

    The only reasons for spinning off a cultural issues thread mentioned so far is to prevent other people from complaining about too many race threads and because race threads are being "singled out" for deletions and shutdowns.

    Unfortunately, people also regularly complain about hoo ha washing threads, religion threads, abortion threads, dating dilemma threads, Michael Jackson threads, and advice on sex threads. Not all of these will fit under the "Cultural Issues" umbrella. Should we create new forums for every kind of thread people complain about? What will be left in Non-Hair Discussion if we make a new forum for every topic that someone complains about? Who will moderate all those threads?

    As far as the singling out race threads for deletion, that's a load of bull. In at least the last 9 months, 1 out of only 3 NHB threads deleted or locked down was a race thread, and it was locked for behavior that was contrary to our agreements to use this board, not for being a heated discussion bout a controversial topic. That thread would have been deleted no matter what forum it had been posted on. The only reason it would NOT be deleted is if none of the moderators had read it.

    Of course, given the low traffic levels of the General Hair Discussion and General Non Hair Discussion spin-off forums, perhaps the moderators will be less likely to monitor each thread, and fewer people will see and complain about the thread if it gets obviously nasty. And perhaps threads that should be moderated won’t be.

    But, maybe that’s the point.
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  • SpringcurlSpringcurl Registered Users Posts: 8,002
    KK, I totally understand what you are saying...except for this part:

    <BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>

    Curly fitness is separated so that those who are trying to gain/lose weight or use specific methods of weight loss will be able to discuss their progress in a supportive group rather than have their chosen diet or their goals debated, discussed, and ridiculed.
    <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

    If this is so, would the assumption also be, then, that people who go to a cultural issues section won't have to worry about people coming into THAT board saying "Why are you black people..." etc.

    I really see both sides of the issue, though.
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  • ZARIA**ZARIA** Registered Users Posts: 706
    I still say its an excellent idea. And I dont agree that people complain about all those other topics as much as race threads. But the intention is mainly for people to be able to discuss cultural issues.
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  • kurlykittykurlykitty Registered Users Posts: 162
    <BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Springcurl:
    If this is so, would the assumption also be, then, that people who go to a cultural issues section won't have to worry about people coming into THAT board saying "Why are you black people..." etc.

    I really see both sides of the issue, though.
    <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

    I'm not understanding your objection.

    Separating out what is basically a support boardin order to avoid debate is worlds away from separating out a debate board to avoid debate...
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  • SpringcurlSpringcurl Registered Users Posts: 8,002
    <BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by KurlyKitty:



    Separating out what is basically a support boardin order to avoid debate is worlds away from separating out a debate board to avoid debate...
    <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

    Good point.
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  • rouquinnerouquinne Registered Users Posts: 13,737 Curl Connoisseur
    it smacks of segregation to me! icon_sad.gif

    FreeCurls and KurlyKitty have both made every point that i would on this matter, and much more eloquently.
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  • rachelVrachelV Registered Users Posts: 1
    I'm neither black nor white. Therefore it did not occur to me that a culture board meant "Black Threads". But if some members feel that way why not create a political or controversial topic board instead of a culture board?
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  • MichelleMichelle Administrator Administrators, Moderators Posts: 742 Administrator
    Gretchen and I will discuss the issue. We would love to see people participate in race threads in a constructive fashion because I really think they can be valuable for people to better understand each other. And if moving them to another board would do that, then we should do that. I never want to see the types of racist comments I saw this weekend on Curltalk. That poster has been banned.

    We'll get back to you on the idea for a separate board.

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  • kurlykittykurlykitty Registered Users Posts: 162
    Why?

    The problems with the race thread this weekend arose because posters did not follow the board guidelines, not because other posters were offended that someone was discussing race again instead of hoohas and the reality show of the week.

    What would moving the thread to another forum have really accomplished? If posters were being rude and nasty, the thread would have been deleted whether it was in a general non-hair forum, a Cultural Issues forum, or a Race Topics Only forum. If posters were following guidelines, the thread would not have been touched.

    A "Cultural Issues" forum would not constitute a free pass to be rude and nasty and not be moderated, which is really what you seem to be asking for.
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  • SpringcurlSpringcurl Registered Users Posts: 8,002
    Here's what I said in another post:

    <BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote
    As we all know, the topics on this board go in cycles. Sometimes we have a lot of race-themed threads at once; sometimes we have none. But I always find it interesting when someone complains that there are "too many" race threads.


    See, I guess what I'm thinking makes some people uncomfortable-- rightly or wrongly-- is that they click on the general discussion board and see, say, six race threads and think that's "too much." No, they don't have to read them, but just seeing a topic about race either pisses them off or makes them uncomfortable.

    Granted, that's their problem.

    <BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>I for one am totally against it. We don't need another section for Race threads.
    This is a HAIR BOARD people. It was nice of NC.com to provide us with a non-hair discussion area, but facilitating a meeting of the minds to debate the world's ills is not the purpose of this site and I doubt it was the intention of the site's creators.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


    It's a hair board, yes. But NC.com also has a separate segment for curly fitness and a separate segment for recipes. They don't get much use, from what I've observed. One could argue that they could be merged into the general board... but they're not, and that's fine. In the end, it's all up to Gretchen and MIchelle, but what's the difference between having a separate board for curly fitness and recipes and having one for race issues?

    [ June 09, 2003: Message edited by: Springcurl ]
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  • ScarletScarlet Registered Users Posts: 3,125 Curl Neophyte
    I don't like the idea, to be honest.

    I think on one hand we'll have the "white people are this" and "whitey does that" threads.

    And on the other, we'll have people (maybe trolls) who want to post really offensive things about blacks (which I refuse to repeat). Deliberately to get a reaction.

    I think it's an invitation for problems, extremism, and devisiveness. As a few other members mentioned, those threads go in cycles, so I don't think they need a permanent home. We should take them as they come.
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  • ZARIA**ZARIA** Registered Users Posts: 706
    Im still not understanding the negative statements related to a culture board. A culture board is to talk about culture issues not necessarily just 'race'. I cant believe some of you think it would be there just to bash white or black people icon_rolleyes.gif The reason I think nc.com will benefit from a culture board is because of the diversity of the members and not just to benefit the 'black' members. I appreciate all members who have responded whether they love the idea or not.
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  • L'n-zL'n-z Registered Users Posts: 208
    I think it's good to keep cultural threads in the non-hair board.The problem with race & ethnicity issues is that so many times people want to ignore it or feel that it doesn't affect them. If cultural issues were in a separate board, lots of people wouldn't bother checking it. But culture issues affect everyone. So, if we keep these discussions on the non-hair board, we have the potential to reach a wider audience.
    8)
  • divapoetdivapoet Registered Users Posts: 3
    I don't know about a culture board, but I would like a travel board.
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  • naturaltnaturalt Registered Users Posts: 175 Curl Neophyte
    Can you give some examples of threads that would reside on a culture board?
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  • rouquinnerouquinne Registered Users Posts: 13,737 Curl Connoisseur
    zaria, you haven't even been a member here for 6 months.

    that's hardly enough time for you to see the patterns and ebb and flow that those of us who've been here for YEARS can identify in the group.

    Scarlet is absolutely right, such a board would be "an invitation for problems, extremism, and devisiveness."
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  • SystemSystem Posts: 39,060 Administrator
    <BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by naturalt:
    Can you give some examples of threads that would reside on a culture board?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

    naturalt, HTH A thread to...
  • naturaltnaturalt Registered Users Posts: 175 Curl Neophyte
    <BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Sonrizas in Nor CA:


    naturalt, HTH A thread to...
    <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


    That's what I'm getting at. Culture does not equal Race, but whenever this topic is brought up it is a result of race threads. That's why in my post I said it sounded like a euphamism for "The black threads" or more accurately The Race Threads.
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  • MeghuneyMeghuney Registered Users Posts: 4,263
    <BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by rouquinne - teflon-coated Empress:
    zaria, you haven't even been a member here for 6 months.

    that's hardly enough time for you to see the patterns and ebb and flow that those of us who've been here for YEARS can identify in the group.

    Scarlet is absolutely right, such a board would be "an invitation for problems, extremism, and devisiveness."
    <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

    Just because someone hasn't been a member for six months doesn't mean they haven't been around for longer.
  • ZARIA**ZARIA** Registered Users Posts: 706
    <BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by rouquinne - teflon-coated Empress:
    zaria, you haven't even been a member here for 6 months.

    that's hardly enough time for you to see the patterns and ebb and flow that those of us who've been here for YEARS can identify in the group.

    Scarlet is absolutely right, such a board would be "an invitation for problems, extremism, and devisiveness."
    <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

    All I asked for was what members thought of the idea..You dont like it and thats all you needed to say!! New members can bring great new ideas to a board. icon_smile.gif
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  • FreeCurlsFreeCurls Registered Users Posts: 4,408
    Zaria,
    I think she was just trying to let you know that this suggestion has come up before several times and was decided against. Being that you're relatively new to the board you may have thought that this hadn't been thought of before.

    I don't think anybody's trying to say that newer members have nothing good to contribute since they haven't been around as long.

    You also asked for a discussion on this topic, going so far as to request that people weigh in on it on this board. I don't think that you stipulated that responses be in "yes" or "no" answers. Why so stressed when people explain their reasons behind their opinions?
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  • ZARIA**ZARIA** Registered Users Posts: 706
    <BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by FreeCurls:
    Zaria,
    I think she was just trying to let you know that this suggestion has come up before several times and was decided against. Being that you're relatively new to the board you may have thought that this hadn't been thought of before.

    I don't think anybody's trying to say that newer members have nothing good to contribute since they haven't been around as long.

    You also asked for a discussion on this topic, going so far as to request that people weigh in on it on this board. I don't think that you stipulated that responses be in "yes" or "no" answers. Why so stressed when people explain their reasons behind their opinions?
    <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


    So, my comment gave you the assumption I was stressed? Now Im confused icon_confused.gif
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