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BrioBrio Posts: 1,432Registered Users
I often read on the BB about how bad silicone is. It's often said that it will dry your hair out because it coats the hair shaft and keeps moisture from getting inside. Can any one point me to some information on silicone that talks about that aspect? I'd like to do some more reading on the subject.

I have looked through the CG book. All I recall Ms. Massey stating is that silicones weigh down curly hair. Am I missing something in her book?

thanks a bunch!
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  • GrecianCurlsGrecianCurls Posts: 256Registered Users
    Oops! :oops:
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  • SnarlsSnarls Posts: 2,537Registered Users
    All I could find in MY CG book was a sentence that said that silicones can be hard to remove, so to use them sparingly or not at all. :?

    All the internet sources that I have read that are anti-silicone for hair (outside of nc.com) had non-silicone products to sell or were generally alarmist about everything non plant-sourced. The cosmetic industry sources that I've read are strongly pro-silicone, but their articles are supported by advertising (by companies that produce silicones). According to these articles, silicones actually strengthen hair and improve its resilience.

    I'd be delighted to learn of any neutral studies done on hair & silicones.
    formerly Castella
    (my dogs aren't snarly, my hair is)
  • st. louis bluest. louis blue Posts: 404Registered Users
    I do think silicones weigh my hair down, which isn't necessarily a bad thing, when that's what I'm looking for; but I think that Lorraine isn't working on that theme, I think she's more into "setting your hair free," and working your mind around that. YOu know, letting your hair do it's thing, as it were . . . .

    The bad thing about silicones for me is the shampoo that was necessary to remove them. Having witnessed how much my hair's health improved after cutting out the use of detergent shampoos, I can't ignore the truth, which is that shampoo was really drying my hair out.

    Also, for awhile I'd continued to use silicone gels even though I wasn't using shampoo, and my ends dried out so badly that they snapped off. So I concluded that if you don't wash them off they will lead to brittle hair. This isn't to say that the silicones are causing the damage because there's something toxic about them, but I can believe the theory that they smother your hair; the quality that blocks the humidity out also blocks the conditioning moisturizers out. Makes sense to me.

    That said, nothing made my hair look as shiny and un-frizzy as silicone gels. It's not worth the split ends to me, but I certainly understand their advantage.
  • pinksugarpinksugar Posts: 2,346Registered Users
    Brio wrote:
    I often read on the BB about how bad silicone is. It's often said that it will dry your hair out because it coats the hair shaft and keeps moisture from getting inside. Can any one point me to some information on silicone that talks about that aspect? I'd like to do some more reading on the subject.

    I have looked through the CG book. All I recall Ms. Massey stating is that silicones weigh down curly hair. Am I missing something in her book?

    thanks a bunch!

    I "think" the Ouidad book says something about the bolded.
  • KaiaKaia Posts: 8,815Registered Users
    I remember the CG book saying that silicones require sulfates to remove, and sulfates are what's really bad for curly hair. If they are not removed, they build up and suffocate the hair, and if they are removed, the detergent used dries out the hair.
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  • BrioBrio Posts: 1,432Registered Users
    Castella wrote:
    All I could find in MY CG book was a sentence that said that silicones can be hard to remove, so to use them sparingly or not at all. :?

    All the internet sources that I have read that are anti-silicone for hair (outside of nc.com) had non-silicone products to sell or were generally alarmist about everything non plant-sourced. The cosmetic industry sources that I've read are strongly pro-silicone, but their articles are supported by advertising (by companies that produce silicones). According to these articles, silicones actually strengthen hair and improve its resilience.

    I'd be delighted to learn of any neutral studies done on hair & silicones.

    I think you may be right. Unbiased view points are probably hard to come by.
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  • BrioBrio Posts: 1,432Registered Users
    pinksugar wrote:
    Brio wrote:
    I often read on the BB about how bad silicone is. It's often said that it will dry your hair out because it coats the hair shaft and keeps moisture from getting inside. Can any one point me to some information on silicone that talks about that aspect? I'd like to do some more reading on the subject.

    I have looked through the CG book. All I recall Ms. Massey stating is that silicones weigh down curly hair. Am I missing something in her book?

    thanks a bunch!

    I "think" the Ouidad book says something about the bolded.

    I think you are correct. I received a Quidad newsletter yesterday.

    "Although many people use heavy, silcone-based products to control their curls, Quidad pleads 'let your curls breath'! These thick stylers leave the hair limp and clog the cuticle, preventing vital nutrients and hydration from feeding the hair shaft." (Quidad CurlTalk, Spring 2007)

    I dunno. Something about "feeding" the hair doesn't make sense to me. It's dead. I suppose hair is absorbent, nonetheless. :?
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  • BrioBrio Posts: 1,432Registered Users
    Bailey422 wrote:
    I remember the CG book saying that silicones require sulfates to remove, and sulfates are what's really bad for curly hair. If they are not removed, they build up and suffocate the hair, and if they are removed, the detergent used dries out the hair.

    I re-read the book yesterday, albeit quickly. I couldn't find that anywhere.
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  • EilonwyEilonwy Posts: 12,389Registered Users
    The way I see it, silicones can't dry your hair on their own. You usually apply silicones when your hair is somewhat wet, right? Well if silicones really formed a water-impervious shield, then they'd be keeping that moisture in and your hair wouldn't dry out at all! In fact, your hair would just stay wet all the time.

    However, if you use water-insoluble silicones other than amodimethicone, you have to use sulfates to remove them. And sulfates will definitely dry your hair out. The real point of CG is to avoid sulfates. Avoiding silicones is incidental, although I find that water-insoluble cones quickly build up on my hair.
  • HalfWavyHalfCurlyHalfWavyHalfCurly Posts: 907Registered Users
    Brio wrote:

    I dunno. Something about "feeding" the hair doesn't make sense to me. It's dead. I suppose hair is absorbent, nonetheless. :?

    The hair is "dead" in the sense that it doesn't have nerves or a blood supply and it cannot regenerate itself but it certainly is VERY reactive to everything in the environment and even what's going on in our bodies, even stress. Minerals secreted by our sweat glands deposit on it and can be detected through analysis, and so can many medications which can change the way it reacts to all chemical processes and even how it behaves.

    As for feeding it, there is no denying that putting natural ingredients that are compatible with the chemical structure of the hair improves its texture, feel and appearance usually in more lasting ways than using artificial ingredients. So, maybe hair is not biologically "alive" but from a molecular point of view I feel it definitely is. Scientifically accurate or not I don't regard hair as really "dead", as long as it's still attached to a live head IMO it's "alive" too.

    As for 'cones, I doubt if there are any "studies" and if there are they'd probably been conducted by companies who use them in their products so they could be biased as well. Anyway, there are SO many of them and so many types of hair in different types of condition that it would be practically impossible to come to any valuable conclusion. I believe the testimony of others will have to suffice for most of us, always remembering the many variables involved. Anyway, if you don't believe it the only way you can be sure one way or the other is to do your own experimenting.

    I''ve been on CG for 5 years now and on a couple of occasions when my hair wouldn't respond to anything else I used products with 'cones. I guess the way I really feel about 'cones is the way I feel about junk food: not to be had as mainstay but OK every now and then!
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  • brownilocksbrownilocks Posts: 28Registered Users
    Brio wrote:
    pinksugar wrote:
    Brio wrote:
    I received a Quidad newsletter yesterday.

    "Although many people use heavy, silcone-based products to control their curls, Quidad pleads 'let your curls breath'! These thick stylers leave the hair limp and clog the cuticle, preventing vital nutrients and hydration from feeding the hair shaft." (Quidad CurlTalk, Spring 2007)
    :?
    Guess what Ouidad, hair doesn't breathe! It's bad enough to "feed" hair and think it "eats". Now we think it "breathes". So much of the hair talk given by hair experts is pseudo-science. Being a great stylist doesn't make you a scientist, so I'd appreciate if these so called experts would just stick with the styling advice and stay out of territory that they know nothing about. It is insulting to those of us women that know the difference between science and nonsense, and misleading to those of us women that don't know that difference.
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  • botticellicurlygirlbotticellicurlygirl Posts: 168Registered Users
    Brio, no matter what, I have to say that your curls are gorgeous, so I wouldn't worry too much and just continue what you are doing. Your hair looks great!!

    That being said, I am always looking for more info beyond just one or two sources. While doing a search, I found this very interesting site: thebeautybrains.com. I'm sure that there are two sides to everything, but it's an interesting explanation. Just food for thought.

    Here's the link to the page I pulled:

    /home/leaving?target=http%3A%2F%2Fthebeautybrains.com%2F2007%2F02%2F16%2Fdoes-silicone-suffocate-hair%2F" class="Popup

    Carly’s Question:
    There has been a lot of controversy lately about silicones in hair products. I am a member of a naturally curly hair website and many of the members are anti-silicone because of the claims that silicones bond to the hair and do not allow moisture into the hair shaft. Supposedly once the silicone is on the hair it acts as a barrier between your hair shaft and any moisture. Is all of this true, or is it just a myth? I will sometimes use a silicone product, but then later feel guilty that I am suffocating my hair, and wash it all off. I think it would be great if you can let everyone know the truth behind silicones.

    The Right Brain’s Response:silicone suffocate
    Questions about silicones being bad for your hair come up a lot. But you can just call us the cosmetic mythbusters, Carly, because silicones do not really cause the problem you described. Shampoos and conditioners that contain a high level of high molecular weight, water insoluble silicones can build up on hair, that much is true. And if you over-use products like this everyday, it is possible to end up with hair that feels weighed down and limp. But even this does happen, you’re not really suffocating your hair.

    3 Reasons Why Silicone Can’t Suffocate Hair:

    1) Even if you didn’t wash all the silicone out, we’ve never seen any data that indicates that a small amount of silicone residue acts as a “barrier” between hair shaft and moisture. On average, your hair contains about 8 to 14% water by weight but it will equilibrate to the ambient humidity. In other words, it will pick up moisture when it’s very humid and it will lose moisture when it’s very dry. Slight silicone residue won’t substantially change that. Now, if you slather on a heavy layer of a silicone hair treatment product, that’s a different story!

    2) Even though your hair absorbs moisture from the environment, its state of dryness isn’t completely controlled by this external water. Dryness is more a function of how damaged your hair is and how much natural lipids it contains.

    3) Even if you did block your hair from absorbing moisture, the silicone would act like a moisturizing agent because it would plasticize and lubricate your hair. It would essentially fight the effects of dryness.

    The Beauty Brains Bottom Line: If you use a silicone containing product and you like the way it makes your hair look and feel, DON”T WORRY ABOUT IT! Don’t feel guilty because some people tell you that it’s “bad” for your hair.
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  • botticellicurlygirlbotticellicurlygirl Posts: 168Registered Users
    Oh, and one more site I found when doing my google search that is scientifically based by Dow Corning. I like this one a lot. Since I do use a blow dryer with a diffuser, I like knowing that silicones can help prevent damage.

    /home/leaving?target=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.dowcorning.com%2Fcontent%2Fpublishedlit%2F27-1124-01.pdf%3FDCWS%3DBeauty%2520and%2520Personal%2520Care%26amp%3BDCWSS%3D" class="Popup
    Fine, blonde 3a botticelli curls
  • kjwavykjwavy Posts: 362Registered Users
    I'm not CG (I shampoo & condition just about every day), but I personally avoid 'cones because they tend to weigh my hair down. The a-cone seems to be fine for my hair, depending where in the ingredient list it falls, but the cyclo...ane one is absolutely HORRID!! It's absolute frizz city for me :cry:
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  • curlyninercurlyniner Posts: 130Registered Users
    Brio wrote:
    "Although many people use heavy, silcone-based products to control their curls, Ouidad pleads 'let your curls breath'! These thick stylers leave the hair limp and clog the cuticle, preventing vital nutrients and hydration from feeding the hair shaft." (Ouidad CurlTalk, Spring 2007)

    This is written by the same person whose top selling product (Climate Control Gel) contains dimethicone, and Clear Control Pomade contains mineral oil, second on the ingredients list behind water. (Even more contradictory, the instructions for the pomade start with the phrase "Clear Control is a unique water-soluble pomade with added conditioners....")

    Am I missing something here? :? No guano intended, I'm just wondering if she's talking out of both sides of her mouth on this issue...
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  • BrioBrio Posts: 1,432Registered Users
    The hair is "dead" in the sense that it doesn't have nerves or a blood supply and it cannot regenerate itself but it certainly is VERY reactive to everything in the environment and even what's going on in our bodies, even stress. Minerals secreted by our sweat glands deposit on it and can be detected through analysis, and so can many medications which can change the way it reacts to all chemical processes and even how it behaves.


    I agree. I would think that hair reacts to what is going on inside our bodies, such as stress and medications. I know I personally have gotten a bald spot which was attributed to stress.

    But I am curious and have a question. Do you think that medications, etc. can change the way the old hair on our head behaves? I could see how medication, etc. could change what's going on with the hair that is still developing inside our bodies, but it seems once the hair "sprouts" and gets longer, the stuff we put on the inside of our bodies would no longer change the way our hair behaves.

    For example, I can't see how taking vitamins could possibly help the hair on my head that is already six inches long. Similarly, I don't see how taking some other type of medication could worsen the hair on my head that is already six inches long (except if it were to fall out completely).

    I hope my question makes sense? I feel I'm rambling.
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  • BrioBrio Posts: 1,432Registered Users
    Brio, no matter what, I have to say that your curls are gorgeous, so I wouldn't worry too much and just continue what you are doing. Your hair looks great!!

    hehehe! Of course I can't continue to do what I am doing! Always have to be playing with my hair. I guess that's one of the reasons for my starting this thread: I'm playing with some "traditional" hair care products with silicone and sulphates.

    And, thank you!
    That being said, I am always looking for more info beyond just one or two sources. While doing a search, I found this very interesting site: thebeautybrains.com. I'm sure that there are two sides to everything, but it's an interesting explanation. Just food for thought.

    Here's the link to the page I pulled:

    /home/leaving?target=http%3A%2F%2Fthebeautybrains.com%2F2007%2F02%2F16%2Fdoes-silicone-suffocate-hair%2F" class="Popup

    thanks for this link & the one below. Both are very interesting.
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  • BrioBrio Posts: 1,432Registered Users
    Brio wrote:
    pinksugar wrote:
    Brio wrote:
    I received a Quidad newsletter yesterday.

    "Although many people use heavy, silcone-based products to control their curls, Quidad pleads 'let your curls breath'! These thick stylers leave the hair limp and clog the cuticle, preventing vital nutrients and hydration from feeding the hair shaft." (Quidad CurlTalk, Spring 2007)
    :?
    Guess what Ouidad, hair doesn't breathe! It's bad enough to "feed" hair and think it "eats". Now we think it "breathes". So much of the hair talk given by hair experts is pseudo-science. Being a great stylist doesn't make you a scientist, so I'd appreciate if these so called experts would just stick with the styling advice and stay out of territory that they know nothing about. It is insulting to those of us women that know the difference between science and nonsense, and misleading to those of us women that don't know that difference.

    Difficult to know who to believe with all the hype that is around the entire beauty industry, isn't it?
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  • BrioBrio Posts: 1,432Registered Users
    curlyniner wrote:
    Brio wrote:
    "Although many people use heavy, silcone-based products to control their curls, Ouidad pleads 'let your curls breath'! These thick stylers leave the hair limp and clog the cuticle, preventing vital nutrients and hydration from feeding the hair shaft." (Ouidad CurlTalk, Spring 2007)

    This is written by the same person whose top selling product (Climate Control Gel) contains dimethicone, and Clear Control Pomade contains mineral oil, second on the ingredients list behind water. (Even more contradictory, the instructions for the pomade start with the phrase "Clear Control is a unique water-soluble pomade with added conditioners....")

    Am I missing something here? :? No guano intended, I'm just wondering if she's talking out of both sides of her mouth on this issue...

    definitely confusing.

    I've never tried any of her products. I do know she recommends shampooing about 1xweek, which would get out the mineral oil, etc. Still, though, I don't think mineral oil is water soluable.
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  • EilonwyEilonwy Posts: 12,389Registered Users
    Mineral oil is insoluble in water. That is some very greasy stuff to put in your hair, especially if you're under 3C. It should be one of the last ingredients, although I don't know why you'd need it to be present at all. A lot of cones are much better.
  • Leilani42Leilani42 Posts: 200Registered Users
    I thought the problem with silicones was that the silicone molecules propped open the follicle on curly hair, since it doesn't lay flat like straight hair. With the bigger molecules (cyclopentasiloxane), the problem was even worse. And the reason they're drying is, since the follicle is propped open, all the natural moisture from sebum and whatnot is let out.

    I'd not heard that the silicones block new moisture... I thought the problem was that they let out old moisture. That would also explain why they work well for a few days, and then your hair goes to crap.

    Don't know... I just know that my hair gets crappy if I use stuff with silicone in it.
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  • KaiaKaia Posts: 8,815Registered Users
    Leilani42 wrote:
    I thought the problem with silicones was that the silicone molecules propped open the follicle on curly hair, since it doesn't lay flat like straight hair. With the bigger molecules (cyclopentasiloxane), the problem was even worse.

    I was under the understanding that cylcopentasiloxane has a very small molecular size.That's why it gets jammed really well under the hair follicle and is super hard to remove.
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  • SnarlsSnarls Posts: 2,537Registered Users
    Just to add to the confusion, I thought that silicones help seal your folicle so that it is smooth but prevent moisture from entering. So that they hold in moisture but your hair isn't able to take in more moisture thus causing eventual dryness.

    And I thought they are supposed to help hair dry faster, since silicones repel and shed water.
    formerly Castella
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  • HalfWavyHalfCurlyHalfWavyHalfCurly Posts: 907Registered Users
    Brio wrote:
    The hair is "dead" in the sense that it doesn't have nerves or a blood supply and it cannot regenerate itself but it certainly is VERY reactive to everything in the environment and even what's going on in our bodies, even stress. Minerals secreted by our sweat glands deposit on it and can be detected through analysis, and so can many medications which can change the way it reacts to all chemical processes and even how it behaves.

    I agree. I would think that hair reacts to what is going on inside our bodies, such as stress and medications. I know I personally have gotten a bald spot which was attributed to stress.

    But I am curious and have a question. Do you think that medications, etc. can change the way the old hair on our head behaves? I could see how medication, etc. could change what's going on with the hair that is still developing inside our bodies, but it seems once the hair "sprouts" and gets longer, the stuff we put on the inside of our bodies would no longer change the way our hair behaves.

    For example, I can't see how taking vitamins could possibly help the hair on my head that is already six inches long. Similarly, I don't see how taking some other type of medication could worsen the hair on my head that is already six inches long (except if it were to fall out completely).

    I hope my question makes sense? I feel I'm rambling.

    When I was in beauty school studying permanent waving I learned that they will often not "take" or the hair could get damaged on women who are on certain medications. Very often their hair could give off a strong odor which means the chemicals in the hair are reacting with those in the perm solution.

    You see, when we take medications they are broken down by our liver into metabolites that can easily be excreted out of the body; the main route is through our kidneys but as we all learned in school toxins are also excreted from out body through our sweat glands. We don't even need to perspire profusely in order to end up with a bit of residue traveling down the shaft where it's absorbed and stored in the cortex.
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  • BrioBrio Posts: 1,432Registered Users
    Thanks, HWHC. That's interesting. Any ideas what categories of medications are the most usual culprits for causing hair problems?
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  • lazy loopslazy loops Posts: 8,792Registered Users
    Leilani,

    "Propped open", i.e. "bumpy" as how I termed it, is exactly what I experienced with the silicones ending in -xane.

    All along I've been using just about anything with silicones ending in -cone & I've had no problems.

    :?
  • MoosemarcyMoosemarcy Posts: 157Registered Users
    I know the silicone issue is so confusing. My question is when removing the silicones what exactly will remove them? This is what I thought:
    *Non water soluble cones you would need a sulfate shampoo.
    *Water soluble cones you could use coco betaine or a mild surfectant.
    Also is dimethicone considered water soluble or not? And would that cone need a sulfate to remove. That is in almost every leave in/and or conditioner that I see. I wish I could find a list of all product with only cones that are water soluble in the hair products.
    And why would shampoo's put in any type of cone. Crazy.
  • SystemSystem Posts: 39,059 Administrator
    Dimethicone is not soluble, but it's also not terribly hard to remove from the hair, in normal amounts. A non-sulfate shampoo would do it.
  • jennyfurrensjennyfurrens Posts: 708Registered Users
    As I posted in another thread, I've just bought a silicone serum that contains the c-xane cone, the tri-cone and dimethicone. in my experience, amodimethicone doesn't work with my hair for some reason. so I will post back in a few days with my results of the serum. It pretty much is ONLY cones in the ingredients, nothing else.

    I sulfate most times I wash anyway, without sulfates my 3b curls go fluffy, flimsy and overconditioned. Whilst sulfates may dry out some hair, for some reason my hair likes them :) So I dont see why using silicones WOULD be bad for me if i'm sulfate-pooing them out?

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  • entipyentipy Posts: 126Registered Users
    I've wondered the same thing about silicones and sulfates. Here's my deal, though. If silicones coat/protect your hair and sulfates clean out the silicones, it stands to reason that they would balance each other out. At least, that's how I see it. The 'cones protect your hair from the sulfates which remove them? LOL. Maybe that's why shampoos contain silicones AND sulfates - so it will help protect the hair and still prevent build-up.

    I don't know.

    I do know this, though. Things I have discovered:

    1) My hair likes shampoo
    2) My hair did not like a "pure" CG routine - it dried out and frizzed worse than usual
    3) My hair likes the cheap no-'cone conditioners (VO5, Suave) better than my GF Curl & Shine conditioner because it curls better
    4) My hair doesn't care which gel it uses out of the following: Dep Sport, LA Looks Sport, Got2Be Spiked Up, and HE SMU. (Although, well.. honestly, I think it likes the SMU JUST a bit more.)
    5) My hair likes high heat, high speed, bowl-diffusing drying
    6) My hair requires hairspray. If I don't use it, my hair gets pissed and attacks my head by being limp.

    :)
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