Need help..what's going on with my hair/what type am I/product recommendations

blueskiesblueskies Registered Users Posts: 123 Curl Novice
edited March 2018 in Hair Type 3
Hi! I'm getting fed up with my hair and need help. I used to have 3a curls but I'd say it's more of a wave now. I'm attaching 3 photos - the one in the blue shirt is me 10 years ago..I'd love to get those curls back if possible. All I'd do was put product in then scrunch and air dry. The second two are of me now (would you call me a 2B?) I've tried all different products, diffusing, plopping but can't get it to curl more. I suppose it could be hormonal changes. I'd love some product recommendations. Thanks!!!

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  • curlyamarylliscurlyamaryllis Registered Users Posts: 338 Curl Connoisseur
    Is that your baby? Babies will do a number on your hair, partially because hormones and partially because you don't have time to devote to hair care anymore.

    What products have you tried and how do you use them? Is your hair fine/coarse, low/high density, and what's your porosity? The last few inches look pretty damaged, is that from straightening, coloring or just not maintaining moisture and protein levels?
    CG since May 1, 2016
    3a, fine, thin, normal porosity, no dye, greying naturally
    Devacurl Weightless Waves Low Poo & Conditioner, B'Leave-in and Ultra Defining Gel
    Curl Junkie Spiral Lotion in low humidity
    Ouidad Advanced Heat & Humidity Gel mixed with UDG for high humidity
    at home gelatin PT
    Hask Argan Oil Deep Conditioner
  • blueskiesblueskies Registered Users Posts: 123 Curl Novice
    edited March 2018
    Is that your baby? Babies will do a number on your hair, partially because hormones and partially because you don't have time to devote to hair care anymore.

    What products have you tried and how do you use them? Is your hair fine/coarse, low/high density, and what's your porosity? The last few inches look pretty damaged, is that from straightening, coloring or just not maintaining moisture and protein levels?
    Yes! That's my little guy. I'd say my hair is coarse, medium density, low porosity. It probably is pretty damaged. A bad hair stylist fried it last year..it's so much better than it was. 

    I always stay away from sulfates and dimethicone. I've tried LA Looks sport gel, devacurl products, KCCC...I've tried diffusing and plopping. Plopping doesn't seem to work well for me. 
  • Therese1Therese1 Registered Users Posts: 2,563 Curl Virtuoso
    Coarse hair, especially if low porosity, is often protein sensitive, and DevaCurl products are generally loaded wtih protein. I would try getting some protein-free products and going from there.

    If your hair is low porosity, I think it would be helpful to do a deep conditioning treatment with a protein-free conditioner. Low-porosity hair doesn't readily take up moisture, so the conditioner generally has to sit on the hair for 20-30 minutes to get it to penetrate the cuticle.
    Low poo: Intelligent Nutrients (IN) Harmonic; Oribe Cleansing Creme
    RO: IN Harmonic
    LI: CJ Beauticurls; Jessicurl (JC) Gelebration Spray
    DC: JC Deep Conditioning Treatment; Weleda Rosemary Conditioning Oil
    Stylers: JC Confident Coils; IN Volumizing Spray; IN Perfect Hold Hairspray; John Masters Sea Mist; Bumble Bb. Gel; Kenra Firm-Hold Gel; Sevi Blue Yarrow Sea Salt Spray
    Low-porosity 2a/b baby-fine hair
  • GretchenGretchen Administrator Moderators Posts: 10,840 Curl Virtuoso
    Therese1 said:
    Coarse hair, especially if low porosity, is often protein sensitive, and DevaCurl products are generally loaded wtih protein. I would try getting some protein-free products and going from there.

    If your hair is low porosity, I think it would be helpful to do a deep conditioning treatment with a protein-free conditioner. Low-porosity hair doesn't readily take up moisture, so the conditioner generally has to sit on the hair for 20-30 minutes to get it to penetrate the cuticle.
    Great advice!

    @blueskies You and your baby are both gorgeous! 

    Gretchen
    NaturallyCurly.com co-founder
    3A

    You are beautiful!
  • blueskiesblueskies Registered Users Posts: 123 Curl Novice
    Therese1 said:
    Coarse hair, especially if low porosity, is often protein sensitive, and DevaCurl products are generally loaded wtih protein. I would try getting some protein-free products and going from there.

    If your hair is low porosity, I think it would be helpful to do a deep conditioning treatment with a protein-free conditioner. Low-porosity hair doesn't readily take up moisture, so the conditioner generally has to sit on the hair for 20-30 minutes to get it to penetrate the cuticle.
    thank you! Any recommendations?
  • blueskiesblueskies Registered Users Posts: 123 Curl Novice

    Gretchen said:
    Therese1 said:
    Coarse hair, especially if low porosity, is often protein sensitive, and DevaCurl products are generally loaded wtih protein. I would try getting some protein-free products and going from there.

    If your hair is low porosity, I think it would be helpful to do a deep conditioning treatment with a protein-free conditioner. Low-porosity hair doesn't readily take up moisture, so the conditioner generally has to sit on the hair for 20-30 minutes to get it to penetrate the cuticle.
    Great advice!

    @blueskies You and your baby are both gorgeous! 
    thanks :)
  • Therese1Therese1 Registered Users Posts: 2,563 Curl Virtuoso
    One possibility for a deep conditioner is the Jessicurl Deep Conditioning Treatment. I use that one and have not had a problem with it, and my hair is very sensitive to protein.

    I'm not sure what other products I could recommend; my hair is very fine, while yours is very coarse. If you don't get any other responses in this thread regarding products to try, you could start another thread asking specifically for recommendations. Then others with similar hair to yours could suggest something.

    The only other thing I can think of that will maybe help is to do a pre-shampoo treatment with some oil. That will help soften your hair and give it more elasticity (protein overload can make hair dry and brittle). To do this, you take a few drops of oil and work it through your dry hair several hours before you plan to wash. You want just enough to give your hair a slight sheen. As far as which oil to pick, maybe try avocado, sunflower, olive, or almond. I would avoid coconut oil since that can cause problems for protein-sensitive hair. (You can find a more complete list of oils here: http://science-yhairblog.blogspot.com/2013/06/oils-which-ones-soak-in-vs-coat-hair.html.)


    Low poo: Intelligent Nutrients (IN) Harmonic; Oribe Cleansing Creme
    RO: IN Harmonic
    LI: CJ Beauticurls; Jessicurl (JC) Gelebration Spray
    DC: JC Deep Conditioning Treatment; Weleda Rosemary Conditioning Oil
    Stylers: JC Confident Coils; IN Volumizing Spray; IN Perfect Hold Hairspray; John Masters Sea Mist; Bumble Bb. Gel; Kenra Firm-Hold Gel; Sevi Blue Yarrow Sea Salt Spray
    Low-porosity 2a/b baby-fine hair
  • WavyKfromNJWavyKfromNJ Registered Users Posts: 853 Curl Virtuoso
    There are many different silicones to avoid, not just dimethicone.

    Adding a good clarifying shampoo into the rotation would probably be a good idea too.
    2b, 2c,
    High Porosity - Very Fine Hair

    Low Poo: Living Proof Restore Shampoo
    Rinse Out: Living Proof Restore Conditioner
    Leave In: Living Proof Curl Leave-In or Garnier 1 Minute Mask - Papaya
    Treatments: Restore Repair Leave-In, 
    Styling: Living Proof In-Shower Styler with Ouidad Advanced Climate Control Gel Stronger Hold
  • bomegabomega Registered Users Posts: 1,355 Curl Virtuoso
    Hi @blueskies,

    Welcome to nc.com. This mighy sound strange, but i don't see any change in your curl pattern. I looks to me like your hair is longer and has a different hair cut, so it looks like it has less volume. I would consider talking to your hair dresser. But you could try a curl enhancer like AG Re:Coil or Alaffia Beautiful Curls Leave-in (I've used the one for Wavy Hair). Just use caution as these products work with magenium sulfate to do the curl enhancing, which is drying. Definitely use regular moisturizing deep treatment if you decide to try this.
    Low-poo: Alaffia Coffee & Shea Revitalizing Shampoo for Fine/Thin Hair (summer), Alaffia Coconut & Shea Hydrating Shampoo
    Clarify: Kinky Curly Come Clean
    Rinse-out: Alaffia Coffee & Shea Revitalizing Conditioner for Fine/Thin Hair (summer), Alaffia Everyday Coconut Ultra Hydrating Conditioner
    DT: Camille Rose Naturals Algae Renew Deep Conditioner
    Leave-in: As I Am Leave-in
    Styler: Lily of the Desert 99% Aloe Vera Gelly
    Treatment: Daily tea spray; Coconut oil overnight treatment; Citric acid rinse for hard water; 2-step Henndigo w/ amla to cover gray

    2C, fine, low porosity, low/medium density, protein sensitive

    Looking for styling products and tools

    iHerb Code KQS149 for 5% off your order
  • GretchenGretchen Administrator Moderators Posts: 10,840 Curl Virtuoso
    @WavyKfromNJ Do you have a favorite clarifying shampoo?


    Gretchen
    NaturallyCurly.com co-founder
    3A

    You are beautiful!
  • WavyKfromNJWavyKfromNJ Registered Users Posts: 853 Curl Virtuoso
    I can't say one is favorite, but I use either Kinky Curly Come Clean or Elucence Volume Clarifying Shampoo.
    2b, 2c,
    High Porosity - Very Fine Hair

    Low Poo: Living Proof Restore Shampoo
    Rinse Out: Living Proof Restore Conditioner
    Leave In: Living Proof Curl Leave-In or Garnier 1 Minute Mask - Papaya
    Treatments: Restore Repair Leave-In, 
    Styling: Living Proof In-Shower Styler with Ouidad Advanced Climate Control Gel Stronger Hold
  • GretchenGretchen Administrator Moderators Posts: 10,840 Curl Virtuoso
    I can't say one is favorite, but I use either Kinky Curly Come Clean or Elucence Volume Clarifying Shampoo.
    Both excellent choices!

    Gretchen
    NaturallyCurly.com co-founder
    3A

    You are beautiful!
  • WavyKfromNJWavyKfromNJ Registered Users Posts: 853 Curl Virtuoso
    Here is a link to a very helpful article about silicones

    http://science-yhairblog.blogspot.com/2014/04/silicone-ingredient-solubility-list.html
    2b, 2c,
    High Porosity - Very Fine Hair

    Low Poo: Living Proof Restore Shampoo
    Rinse Out: Living Proof Restore Conditioner
    Leave In: Living Proof Curl Leave-In or Garnier 1 Minute Mask - Papaya
    Treatments: Restore Repair Leave-In, 
    Styling: Living Proof In-Shower Styler with Ouidad Advanced Climate Control Gel Stronger Hold
  • blueskiesblueskies Registered Users Posts: 123 Curl Novice
    would a deva cut help?
  • Therese1Therese1 Registered Users Posts: 2,563 Curl Virtuoso
    A Deva cut might help, but I think it would be better to see what happens on a protein-free regimen first, before going in for a Deva cut. Also, if protein sensitivity is your issue, you will want to know that going forward, regardless of cut. The Deva stylist will use Deva products on you, and almost all Deva products are chock full of protein.
    Low poo: Intelligent Nutrients (IN) Harmonic; Oribe Cleansing Creme
    RO: IN Harmonic
    LI: CJ Beauticurls; Jessicurl (JC) Gelebration Spray
    DC: JC Deep Conditioning Treatment; Weleda Rosemary Conditioning Oil
    Stylers: JC Confident Coils; IN Volumizing Spray; IN Perfect Hold Hairspray; John Masters Sea Mist; Bumble Bb. Gel; Kenra Firm-Hold Gel; Sevi Blue Yarrow Sea Salt Spray
    Low-porosity 2a/b baby-fine hair
  • azaleagalazaleagal Registered Users Posts: 33 Curl Neophyte
    In addition to the above great advice, I think the right cut is key. I think you need some layers to take the weight off your hair a bit. It does not have to be a Deva Cut. I found a Ouidad trained stylist by doing a search on the NC website. She simply washes and cuts my hair and she will use my own products or no products if I ask her to-I don't like glycerin and the Ouidad products she uses have glycerin in them. So I just usually want the wash and cut, I know what products my hair likes and bring them with me. I will slip into the ladies room add them to my hair after she cuts it, and use my car heater to dry or air dry LOL.
    3a fine texture


    Co Wash: As I am coconut cowash. Palmer coconut moisturizing shampoo
    Styling: KCCC, Devacurl Supercream, Jane Carter curl cream, Shea moisture coconut and hibiscus smoothie, Biotera gel, KCKT.
  • azaleagalazaleagal Registered Users Posts: 33 Curl Neophyte
    here is a link to search for a salon
    https://www.naturallycurly.com/salons
    3a fine texture


    Co Wash: As I am coconut cowash. Palmer coconut moisturizing shampoo
    Styling: KCCC, Devacurl Supercream, Jane Carter curl cream, Shea moisture coconut and hibiscus smoothie, Biotera gel, KCKT.
  • azaleagalazaleagal Registered Users Posts: 33 Curl Neophyte
    Sorry meant this link https://www.ouidad.com/salon-locator
    3a fine texture


    Co Wash: As I am coconut cowash. Palmer coconut moisturizing shampoo
    Styling: KCCC, Devacurl Supercream, Jane Carter curl cream, Shea moisture coconut and hibiscus smoothie, Biotera gel, KCKT.
  • StillunsureonmycurltypeStillunsureonmycurltype Registered Users, Curl Ambassador Posts: 92 Curl Connoisseur
    Therese1 said:
    Coarse hair, especially if low porosity, is often protein sensitive, and DevaCurl products are generally loaded wtih protein. I would try getting some protein-free products and going from there.

    If your hair is low porosity, I think it would be helpful to do a deep conditioning treatment with a protein-free conditioner. Low-porosity hair doesn't readily take up moisture, so the conditioner generally has to sit on the hair for 20-30 minutes to get it to penetrate the cuticle.
    Really? Never knew that about coarse low porosity hair lol, what about Medium-Low Porosity, between Medium and Coarse hair? I do know that coconut oil does virtually nothing to my hair, but doesn't make it hard/ brittle like others with similar hair type as me. I did have a bad initial expereince with all devacurl products, but after a month of trying to see how my hair reacted, my hair started to like it.
  • Therese1Therese1 Registered Users Posts: 2,563 Curl Virtuoso
    Coarse hair in general is sensitive to protein. I am assuming that low-porosity coarse hair would be more sensitive to protein in general than high-porosity coarse hair simply because protein generally fills in gaps in the cuticle, and there are not many gaps in low-porosity hair. That can create protein overload because the hair does not need the extra protein.

    As for medium- to low-porosity hair that is between medium and coarse, I would assume that would be more variable in its reaction to protein.
    Low poo: Intelligent Nutrients (IN) Harmonic; Oribe Cleansing Creme
    RO: IN Harmonic
    LI: CJ Beauticurls; Jessicurl (JC) Gelebration Spray
    DC: JC Deep Conditioning Treatment; Weleda Rosemary Conditioning Oil
    Stylers: JC Confident Coils; IN Volumizing Spray; IN Perfect Hold Hairspray; John Masters Sea Mist; Bumble Bb. Gel; Kenra Firm-Hold Gel; Sevi Blue Yarrow Sea Salt Spray
    Low-porosity 2a/b baby-fine hair
  • cabellohermoso_15cabellohermoso_15 Registered Users, Curl Ambassador Posts: 1 Curl Neophyte
    Also, the weather cud do a toll on yr curl pattern trust me, ik :(
  • gso3006gso3006 Registered Users Posts: 3 Curl Neophyte
    I too have gone from 3B to 3A.  No babies though!  I think it is just my hormones.  I just started using Nexxus Oil Infinite Shampoo/Conditioner.  It really made an immediate difference.  No frizz, softer hair and smoother curls.
  • 3c_Mel3c_Mel Registered Users, Curl Ambassador Posts: 2 Curl Neophyte
    Hi! What products would be best for 3c 4a hair? My hair seems to get dry and lose it’s curl pattern and gets wonky on day 3. My hair loves moisture and hydration!
  • olivepitolivepit Registered Users, Curl Ambassador Posts: 1 Curl Neophyte
    the product i’ve recently started using, that seems to work for most types of curly hair very well, is homemade flax seed gel. it’s made from boiling flax seeds in water (you can find many tutorials and tips online). It’s cheap, good for the environment, and has worked better than anything for my hair!!
  • CurlyG1991CurlyG1991 Registered Users, Curl Ambassador Posts: 1 Curl Neophyte
    I absolutely LOVE Carol’s Daughter Mimosa Hair Honey! It gives a great shine for thick frizzy hair. A little goes a long way!
  • Lee21Lee21 Registered Users, Curl Ambassador Posts: 0 Curl Neophyte
    Hi. I must admit I was really excited to start the whole curly girl method (going on 3 weeks now) but I am now fed up. I have type 3A low porosity, low density and shoulder length medium hair. I first bought cantu co wash and then use carols daughter leave in milk conditioner and then cantu curl activator with the cantu custard jelly but unfortunately my curls looked a bit limp and greasy. I thought that maybe it was just my hair getting used to the products but I have done more research and finally discovered that these products are too rich for my hair so I have tried a few different products. Instead of the curl activator and custard jelly I now use the carols daughter hair milk gel. My hair looks slightly better but when I sotc it still looks wet (greasy to me). I have even tried mousse but my hair seems to feel a bit like straw. I love the curls and would really like to get this method right but at the moment I think it would be a lot easier and a lot less time if I just shaved it all off ;P
  • MissMilaMissMila Registered Users, Curl Ambassador Posts: 46 Curl Connoisseur
    You might bee using too much at once. At least it sounds like this in your post ;) Do you use all those products in one wash? My general routine is co-wash, a tiny bit of leave-in then gel. This is my go to when i dont want to experiment. I do sometimes use hair milk or curl enhancing creams after the leave in, but then i only put the conditioner on the ends. My hair looks greasy if i put too many things in at once and it gets weighed down.
  • JustMe39JustMe39 Registered Users, Curl Ambassador Posts: 0 Curl Neophyte
    What would be the best products for my hair? It's definitely combination depending on the day it resembles anywhere from 2C (after lots of brushing), 3A (more often than not) and 3B. It has thinned out a lot over the years and I have tried a whole host of things to help thicken it back out, vitamins, supplements, diets, different shampoos and conditioner, exercise, oils, washing in cold water, scalp massages, egg masks, apple cider vinegar washes and the list only goes on! I finally seem to have created my own DIY deep conditioner/hair mask (several oils combined, brow sugar cinnamon and a combination of several conditioners and I use egg with this every few treatments) that seems to be working wonders improving the strength of my hair and keeping it moisturized, plus it is finally thickening back up! I worry that I may be treating my hair too much, I was recently told I should only be using oils for damage to over processing or heat, that if I don't have damage from these things I don't need oils at all. And that combining them will do more damage than good! I have never been to a salon, my hair has never been processed let alone over processed, it's still a natural (dark) blonde with red tones at 39 years of age, and I do not even blow dry my hair... I basically wash it, brush it and go. Since creating my concoction I have been told my hair looks so healthy and get many more compliments on it's shine. But it looks frizzy all the time because of newer growth shorter hairs just sticking out where ever! But now I am slightly worried after the woman told me I shouldn't be oiling my hair at all, let alone combining the oils (avocado, castor, coconut, grape seed, jojoba, olive, and sunflower and a few of the conditioners in the mix contain oils as well almond, argan, vitamin e and tea tree). I have mixed feelings on my DIY treatment, curls have much more bounce, getting lots of compliments, my hair is really regaining thickness - yet this woman who apparently makes all her own hair and body care products has me half terrified that I'll wake up completely bald one day!

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