discrimination of all hair textures in "regular" salons

Elizabeth-20Elizabeth-20 Posts: 7Registered Users Curl Neophyte
So, I'm a 19 year old girl with 2c/3a hair and I feel like everytime i walk into a salon with perfect clumps i waited 3 hours for to dry and i sit in the salon chair to try and hope that my hair won't be messed up and i end up coming out of the salon looking like i have 3 day hair because they sprayed water and combed my curls out and then cut my hair, and blow dryed in and put styling creme in my dry hair.
no matter how many times i've told stylists that my hair is naturally curly they still don't know how to style or cut it properly.

sound familiar?
a lot of bad haircuts have contributed over the years as a little girl to a teenager of me hating my hair earlier on and trying to figure out how to love my hair and work with it on my own since no stylist i have ever been to has taught me anything of how to care for natural curly wavy hair properly.

so it raised the question "why don't stylists know how to work with natural hair?"
and it's not just wavy or curly hair but kinky hair.

Now I did some research in my area and going to a toni and guy school cost roughly about 20 grand without financial aid.

if stylists are paying from 12-20 grand to learn how to cut and style hair why aren't they being taught to work specifically with textured hair types? shouldn't that be basic knowledge if you pay tuition for beauty school...?

Well, as a girl with a passion for hair i want to learn to style hair, so it's been troubling me if it's worth it to pay 12-20 thousand dollars to learn everything they teach and still not know how to style or cut any textured hair and i feel like i would be feeding into a society that doesn't appreciate all hair types and gives false knowledge on how to care for them.

but the point of this rant is to point out that shouldn't it be pushed that every beauty school teaches stylist how to work on textured hair no matter the type?

Comments

  • adventuregirladventuregirl Posts: 7Registered Users Curl Novice
    I have found that there are stylists who love curly hair and stylists who hate it. I realized a few years ago that there are a few things that work well for me. I am a modified CG so I don't stress out about products at the salon. I let them use whatever. Here is what I do when I go to a salon... First I have them wash my hair- I have found my hair is overwhelming to a hair dresser with a spray bottle, if they wash it they can feel how thick it is how curly it is. Second when I am explaining how to cut my hair I tell them I want my hair to remain curly. I ask for lots of layers and remind them to have fun with my hair. This is essential because quite often stylists feel overwhelmed and get stressed out with curly hair. Finally I decline a blow dry and any product. I then go home and shower and style with my products. Using this method I have not had a bad haircut in years and I go to a cheap $10 haircut salon.
  • BrittanyMBrittanyM Posts: 991Registered Users Curl Virtuoso
    Yes, stylists should be taught to cut curly and coily hair. And even curly hair specialists don't always know how to cut it. It just causes so much distress. It even causes people to say never go to a stylist who isn't your same ethnicity when even if you go to someone of your same ethnicity, they are likely to mess up. Every hair stylist should at least be familiar with all textures as to not become overwhelmed.
    There are a couple of things about hair stylists that I can't stand. One is the not knowing how to handle any hair that is not silky and straight; the other is superiority that they know everything about hair and no one else can do what they do. As a home bleacher, I find it annoying when stylists say no one should ever color their hair at home. It's not rocket science, but basic chemistry, knowledge, and common sense is all you really need. Yes, there are plenty of idiots who don't know not to put the strongest bleach on damaged hair. But it's hair not diy brain surgery. Some of the best hair color I've had came from myself not a stylist. I've always been disappointed when I've had my hair colored in a salon.
    It just annoys me as there is a youtuber I recently discovered is this type of stylist. I won't mention this person's name as I don't want to embarrass him or her. But on this person's channel, they tell you to never do your hair at home and has a video on how to cut curly hair. That video has the comments disabled because the cutting curly hair video is so cringe worthy. There is a fine tooth comb involved, and it hurts my soul.
    In closing, I luckily only have 2b and 2c hair, so I just stretch my hair out straight. I have my hair cut dry in long layers and a u shape. I occasionally will trim my own hair in its natural state. My hair stylist is great and even has my texture, but she really only knows how to cut hair if it's straight. Not necessarily her fault since that is what she was taught in school. Luckily, she doesn't care if you're a home dyer, and the best is she actually recommends products that you can get at the drugstore or Sallys.
    Rant over, but yes, I completely agree. For 20k a year, you would think they could insert a class on at least how to style and care for textured hair if not actually how to cut it.
  • curlyclodcurlyclod Posts: 6Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    You'd think since most people actually don't have silky smooth straight hair they would get a clue!

    I can't tell you how many times my hair has been dry-combed to "see what your hair is really like" tearing my curl families apart and turning it into a horrible frizzy mess- no, that isn't the look I am going for...LOL if it wasn't so upsetting.

    I actually don't mind my hair being cut wet so much as long as they know to layer it on the bottom rather than cut it straight across. My hair is 3 dimensional not 2 dimensional.

    The one time I got a deva cut though, she spent an hour scrunching my hair (I hate scrunching) trying to turn my 2C hair into 3B hair.

    Why do hairdressers either try to make your hair straighter or make it curlier? Why not just let it be what it is?
  • WavyKfromNJWavyKfromNJ Posts: 853Registered Users Curl Virtuoso
    Is the problem the stylists or the schools that teach them?   I think the problem is the schools not teaching the students how to deal with curls & waves.
    2b, 2c,
    High Porosity - Very Fine Hair

    Low Poo: Living Proof Restore Shampoo
    Rinse Out: Living Proof Restore Conditioner
    Leave In: Living Proof Curl Leave-In or Garnier 1 Minute Mask - Papaya
    Treatments: Restore Repair Leave-In, 
    Styling: Living Proof In-Shower Styler with Ouidad Advanced Climate Control Gel Stronger Hold
  • curlykristincurlykristin Posts: 63Registered Users Curl Connoisseur
    I had a stylist that I saw every 6 weeks for two years for highlights and would always arrive with straight hair and then after the color she would blow it out (a terrible blow out, in hindsight she didn’t even have good knowledge on smoothing curly hair.) anyhow, about a year ago I started to transition back to wearing my hair curly full time and wore it curly to the salon for the first time. She panicked and then fell apart when I said I wanted it styled curly. She made unkind comments about frizz. She literally just stood there and lifted clumps of hair and then dropped them because she didn’t know what to do. She Had no clue how to style curly hair. I finally decided to walk out with a DT combed in that I rinsed at home or I would have been there forever. I never went back after that.

    I’ve also thought about getting a cosmetology license as well. The world needs more curly stylists!
    :sunny:3B- anywhere from sidewalk chalk to straw sized! High Porosity and fine, low density

    Day 1
    Shea moisture high porosity cowash
    shea moisture coconut and hibiscus curl conditioner 
    KCCC
    DevaCurl Frizz Free Foam

    Day 2
    spritz with oil wonders volume rose conditioner diluted with water and rescrunch
    one squirt of frizz free foam

    Deep Treatment:
    Shea Moisture High Porosity masque
    aphogee keratin and green tea protein spray

     Currently in recovery from too much bleach and chronic heat styling. 
  • bomegabomega Posts: 1,353Registered Users Curl Virtuoso
    @curlykristin

    That is awful! I've never been through anything like that with a stylist!

    If you are thinking about getting your cosmetology license, I think you should. You are right - the world DOES need more curly stylists. 
    Low-poo: Alaffia Coffee & Shea Revitalizing Shampoo for Fine/Thin Hair (summer), Alaffia Coconut & Shea Hydrating Shampoo
    Clarify: Kinky Curly Come Clean
    Rinse-out: Alaffia Coffee & Shea Revitalizing Conditioner for Fine/Thin Hair (summer), Alaffia Everyday Coconut Ultra Hydrating Conditioner
    DT: Camille Rose Naturals Algae Renew Deep Conditioner
    Leave-in: As I Am Leave-in
    Styler: Lily of the Desert 99% Aloe Vera Gelly
    Treatment: Daily tea spray; Coconut oil overnight treatment; Citric acid rinse for hard water; 2-step Henndigo w/ amla to cover gray

    2C, fine, low porosity, low/medium density, protein sensitive

    Looking for styling products and tools

    iHerb Code KQS149 for 5% off your order
  • jeepcurlygurljeepcurlygurl Posts: 20,684Registered Users, Curl Ambassador Curl Virtuoso
    After a horrible haircut just before my senior pictures (43 years ago and I haven't gotten over it!), I've never set foot in another salon. I've cut my own hair ever since. My worst haircut is still better than my best salon cut. 
    You would think in this day and age it would have improved (other than the places that are lucky enough to have curly salons).  I went to a spa day a couple weeks ago that was put on by a local cosmetology school.  While I was getting a manicure I asked the student what all they learn about curly hair. She said "the only thing they have told us about curly hair is that it shrinks".  I asked if they learn how to cut hair dry.  "No, we only cut hair while it's wet".  I didn't bother asking her how they can know how much hair shrinks if they cut it wet.  
    --I'm located in Western PA.   --I found NC in late 2004, CG since February 2005, joined the forums in May 2005, started going grey in late 2005.   --My hair is 3B with some 3A, currently at mid back length when dry,  texture-medium/fine, porosity-top is low, middle is medium, ends are porous, elasticity-normal.   --My long time favorite products are Suave & VO5 conditioners, LA Looks Sport Gel, coconut oil, honey, vinegar.   
    --My CG and grey hair progress -  
    http://www.naturallycurly.com/curltalk/going-gray/179328-jeepys-grey-hair-progress.html   
    --My article at NaturallyCurly about going grey - 
    https://www.naturallycurly.com/curlreading/color/how-i-went-completely-gray-and-loved-it
  • curlykristincurlykristin Posts: 63Registered Users Curl Connoisseur
    @jeepcurlygurl I started cutting and highlighting it myself and you’re right I’m much better at it than anything that’s happened in the salon and I’m much happier.
    :sunny:3B- anywhere from sidewalk chalk to straw sized! High Porosity and fine, low density

    Day 1
    Shea moisture high porosity cowash
    shea moisture coconut and hibiscus curl conditioner 
    KCCC
    DevaCurl Frizz Free Foam

    Day 2
    spritz with oil wonders volume rose conditioner diluted with water and rescrunch
    one squirt of frizz free foam

    Deep Treatment:
    Shea Moisture High Porosity masque
    aphogee keratin and green tea protein spray

     Currently in recovery from too much bleach and chronic heat styling. 
  • GretchenGretchen Administrator Posts: 10,798Administrators, Moderators Administrator
    @jeepcurlygurl I started cutting and highlighting it myself and you’re right I’m much better at it than anything that’s happened in the salon and I’m much happier.
    Impressive! 

    Gretchen
    NaturallyCurly.com co-founder
    3A

    You are beautiful!

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