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Totally lost, nothing works :(

SilverReaSilverRea Posts: 15Registered Users
I'm new here, so first of all let me say hello! :wave:

So my hair started to curl recently, just like that. I've always had straight hair so I'm entirely new to this. I'm digging the Internet in search of instruction on how to care for wavy hair but things there are supposed to be 'the only way' are giving me the worst possible results! I'm lost as to why. Currently my hair is 2a but the proces of curling is probably not over yet and I can see it 'wants' to be 2b and I want to help and encourage the curl.

Putting the leave in conditioner and gel on soaking wet hair after OMO washing was disastrous, air drying leaves it stringy as does wet combing with wide tooth comb. Diffuser gives me dry messy strings. I had the best results so far with going totally against all the CG method and other curly dos and don'ts. The thing is, although the hair looks better, maybe it's not as wavy as it could be with CG or proper 'curly' routine?

I don't know, I'm so lost and confused. I'd be very grateful for any help :cry:
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  • Guide 65Guide 65 Posts: 262Registered Users, Moderators Curl Connoisseur
    Hi, and welcome to NC! What products are you using? And what is your routine? It's hard to say what's going wrong if we don't know you're doing. Also, what is OMO washing?
    Formerly known as Janiegirl
    2C/3A, fine hair, low density, protein loving hair
    Current products:
    Deva Low-Poo original formula
    Deva One Condition original formula
    Dippity Do Girls with Curls Gelee
  • SilverReaSilverRea Posts: 15Registered Users
    janiegirl wrote: »
    Hi, and welcome to NC! What products are you using? And what is your routine? It's hard to say what's going wrong if we don't know you're doing. Also, what is OMO washing?
    Thanks for replying. Sorry for the confusion - I meant conditioner-shampoo-conditioner washing but took the abbreviation for that from my native language by mistake.

    So I wash my hair every day. First conditioner is protein Elvive Full Repair 5 or Lidl's blue conditioner (only one silicone and after perfume) then shampoo (non SLS or again Lidl's Volume one) and then Lidl conditioner again.

    As for drying and styling I've tried different things. As I mentioned, air drying, diffuser, drying with normal hair dryer with concentrator nozzle up to 70-80% (which seems to be the best option so far). Also, wet combing with wide tooth comb leaves visible rows that are impossible to get rid of when hair is dry. Again, dry combing with normal comb works best. And that's another no-no for wavy/curly hair. Flax seed gel is very good but I've read about styling gels and mousses so I've bought a gel and put it in the soaking wet hair over a bit of my regular condish yesterday and today I have the worst hair so far. Scrunching also leaves me with the tiny stringy waves I hate. It's like no matter how I try to style my hair according to how curly hair should be styled, I only ever end up with the rows on my head and little stringy waves.
  • RafterBatRafterBat Posts: 178Registered Users Curl Novice
    Applying products to soaking wet hair never really worked for me. Before you spend money on more products, try squeezing some water out with a t-shirt and then add the styling products. I also find a vented brush does better for me than the wide-tooth comb.

    Next experiment I'd try is leaving off the first round of conditioner. Wavy hair may be too weighed down by that, and you may find that you don't need it.

    If it helps, I shampoo and condition, then shake my head like a dog before getting out of the shower. I rub a dime-sized blob of leave-in detangler into my hair and then use the vented brush. Then I squeeze and scrunch out the excess water and let it "rest" while applying makeup. Then my last step is to lightly rake and scrunch in a nickel-sized blob of gel or small squirt of foam.

    It has been over a year of trying different products and techniques to find that this works best for me. I wish you luck in your journey!
    2c, coarse, low elasticity, medium/high density
    Varied porosity, protein- and coconut-sensitive
    Summer Regimen:
    CJ Daily Fix and Smoothing Conditioner
    CJ Beauticurls (and on days when I want more polish or definition) CJ Pattern Pusha
    Monthly refresh with SM African Water Mint poo and Sally's GVPCB, mixed with sunflower and olive oils for a DC
  • SilverReaSilverRea Posts: 15Registered Users
    RafterBat wrote: »
    Applying products to soaking wet hair never really worked for me. Before you spend money on more products, try squeezing some water out with a t-shirt and then add the styling products. I also find a vented brush does better for me than the wide-tooth comb.

    Next experiment I'd try is leaving off the first round of conditioner. Wavy hair may be too weighed down by that, and you may find that you don't need it.

    If it helps, I shampoo and condition, then shake my head like a dog before getting out of the shower. I rub a dime-sized blob of leave-in detangler into my hair and then use the vented brush. Then I squeeze and scrunch out the excess water and let it "rest" while applying makeup. Then my last step is to lightly rake and scrunch in a nickel-sized blob of gel or small squirt of foam.

    It has been over a year of trying different products and techniques to find that this works best for me. I wish you luck in your journey!
    Tanks for the reply. What do you mean by first round of conditioner? The one before shampoo?
    Also, the problem is, if I put anything in my hair while it's wet, it dries into stringy, thin pieces. I'm trying to find a way to clump those tiny waves together to form bigger waves.

    And I can't really leave it alone to air dry, it takes over 3 hours:/

    Ah, and today I've pinned my front hair to the sides and when I took the pins out I noticed the curl is more defined on those parts that were pinned. I wonder how to use that knowledge for styling...
  • Guide 65Guide 65 Posts: 262Registered Users, Moderators Curl Connoisseur
    Here's my suggestions. Get a silicone-free conditioner. Once you have that, then use a shampoo WITH sulphates - just once. That will get rid of any silicones and other stuff that's built up in your hair. Then use your silicone-free conditioner, and every wash day after that, use the sulphate-free shampoo and silicone-free conditioner.

    Stop doing conditioner before shampooing. Use a wide tooth comb or vented brush while your hair is full of conditioner. Or if your hair is holding the comb marks, don't. I don't use a comb or brush anymore - I just finger comb. After combing, start squishing and scrunching your hair. Add a bit of water and continue scunching. Then add more water and scrunch some more. Keep going, adding water and scrunching for a good long while. Your hair should end up feeling and looking like thick wet egg noodles, not like tangly ramen noodles.

    All that water and scrunching probably took most of the conditioner out of your hair, so no need to rinse any more. Now add your gel. You might want to experiment with how wet your hair is before the gel, like Rafterbat suggests. Maybe squeeze out the water with your hands first, then add gel. Or use a t-shirt to squeeze out some water fist, then gel.

    Don't use a bath towel! Use an old t-shirt or a microfibre towel. Don't rub your hair - just squish and scrunch. At this point, you should be able to see some nice fat clumps of curls. From the time you finish applying your gel, no touching with your hands!

    Give any or all of those suggestions a try. And don't give up - it takes a while to figure it all out!
    Formerly known as Janiegirl
    2C/3A, fine hair, low density, protein loving hair
    Current products:
    Deva Low-Poo original formula
    Deva One Condition original formula
    Dippity Do Girls with Curls Gelee
  • SilverReaSilverRea Posts: 15Registered Users
    janiegirl wrote: »
    Here's my suggestions. Get a silicone-free conditioner. Once you have that, then use a shampoo WITH sulphates - just once. That will get rid of any silicones and other stuff that's built up in your hair. Then use your silicone-free conditioner, and every wash day after that, use the sulphate-free shampoo and silicone-free conditioner.

    Stop doing conditioner before shampooing. Use a wide tooth comb or vented brush while your hair is full of conditioner. Or if your hair is holding the comb marks, don't. I don't use a comb or brush anymore - I just finger comb. After combing, start squishing and scrunching your hair. Add a bit of water and continue scunching. Then add more water and scrunch some more. Keep going, adding water and scrunching for a good long while. Your hair should end up feeling and looking like thick wet egg noodles, not like tangly ramen noodles.

    All that water and scrunching probably took most of the conditioner out of your hair, so no need to rinse any more. Now add your gel. You might want to experiment with how wet your hair is before the gel, like Rafterbat suggests. Maybe squeeze out the water with your hands first, then add gel. Or use a t-shirt to squeeze out some water fist, then gel.

    Don't use a bath towel! Use an old t-shirt or a microfibre towel. Don't rub your hair - just squish and scrunch. At this point, you should be able to see some nice fat clumps of curls. From the time you finish applying your gel, no touching with your hands!

    Give any or all of those suggestions a try. And don't give up - it takes a while to figure it all out!
    Thank you janiegirl! I shall do that. How should I proceed in terms of drying?

    Also would you be so kind to have a look at my conditioner's ingredients list as I'm not sure if it has silicones in it or not?

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  • RafterBatRafterBat Posts: 178Registered Users Curl Novice
    SilverRea wrote: »
    Tanks for the reply. What do you mean by first round of conditioner? The one before shampoo?
    Also, the problem is, if I put anything in my hair while it's wet, it dries into stringy, thin pieces. I'm trying to find a way to clump those tiny waves together to form bigger waves.

    And I can't really leave it alone to air dry, it takes over 3 hours:/

    Ah, and today I've pinned my front hair to the sides and when I took the pins out I noticed the curl is more defined on those parts that were pinned. I wonder how to use that knowledge for styling...

    Yes, before shampooing. And I sometimes blow-dry my hair with a diffuser if I need to. That's when I use foam instead of gel. But my hair is not very wet when I add the gel or foam. Maybe also try using less of the styling product - if my hair gets stringy it's usually because I have too much stuff in it.

    Hmmmm about the pins. I often pull the "bangs" part of my hair to the side and clip it to keep it from falling into my eyes, and it's true that the curls form better as well. I wonder if it's because I touch it less, or if there is something else happening. Will have to think about that!!!
    2c, coarse, low elasticity, medium/high density
    Varied porosity, protein- and coconut-sensitive
    Summer Regimen:
    CJ Daily Fix and Smoothing Conditioner
    CJ Beauticurls (and on days when I want more polish or definition) CJ Pattern Pusha
    Monthly refresh with SM African Water Mint poo and Sally's GVPCB, mixed with sunflower and olive oils for a DC
  • rbbrbb Posts: 4,120Registered Users Curl Connoisseur
    have you read "the curly girl" by lorraine massey? it is the best first intro to curly hair. you can get it on amazon, etc. get the 2009 edition.

    then, have you read the threads on nc on the newbie forum? lots of great tips.

    it's easier for us to offer refinements once you get the general idea.

    3a, some 2c & 3b, medium texture, porosity normal, low elasticity :-(
    washing/cowashing, conditioning, protein tx: curl junkie products
    leave in:cj conditioners and treatments as leave in
    styling: cj aloe fix gel, cj pattern pusha, cj honey butta leave in, cj cccc, cj ciab.
    sealants - jane carter nourish & shine
  • WavyKfromNJWavyKfromNJ Posts: 192Registered Users Curl Novice
    Here is a link to a list of silicones

    Science-y Hair Blog: Silicone Ingredient Solubility List
    2b, 2c,
    High Porosity - Very Fine Hair

    Low Poo: Living Proof Restore Shampoo
    Rinse Out: Living Proof Restore Conditioner
    Leave In: Living Proof Curl Leave-In
    Treatments: Restore Repair Leave-In, Colorful Neutral Protein Filler, Sunflower Oil Pre-poo
    Styling: Living Proof Curl Defining Styling Cream and/or Living Proof Curl Enhancing Styling Mousse
  • BrittanyMBrittanyM Posts: 75Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    WavyKfromNJ gave a list for all silicones, but your conditioner has the silicone cyclopentasiloxane is the third ingredient and the silicone dimethiconol is towards the end. Another possibility since you've been using sulfate free shampoo and a silicone filled conditioner is that you have build up. Try a sulfate clarifying shampoo once as Janiegirl suggested. Best of luck!
  • SilverReaSilverRea Posts: 15Registered Users
    Thank you everyone! My hair has always hated the non silicone conditioners. Also, it's been bleached and I know bleached hair loves and needs silicons to protect it. So I'm a bit worried about switching to a no-silicone care.
  • Guide 65Guide 65 Posts: 262Registered Users, Moderators Curl Connoisseur
    I'm not exactly an expert when it comes to ingredients, but I'll give this a shot. Cyclopentasiloxane - 3rd ingredient, so there's lots of this in there. It's a silicone. Some say this is an ok silicone to use. I don't know about that - I avoid all silicones to be safe.

    Down towards the bottom is Dimethiconol, another silicone.

    Glycerin, Panthenol - neither are bad, but some people may have issues with them. Glycerin could make your hair frizzy during high humidity, panthenol is a type of protein. If you don't know if you need to avoid them, then you can probably just ignore it. It's fine for now.

    I see several different alcohols. Some are moisturizing and they're ok to use, but some are drying. I know that isopropyl alcohol is drying. That's the kind of alcohol you use to clean wounds - you might have some in your bathroom cabinet. Very drying. I'm not sure about the other alcohols.
    Formerly known as Janiegirl
    2C/3A, fine hair, low density, protein loving hair
    Current products:
    Deva Low-Poo original formula
    Deva One Condition original formula
    Dippity Do Girls with Curls Gelee
  • SilverReaSilverRea Posts: 15Registered Users
    janiegirl wrote: »
    I'm not exactly an expert when it comes to ingredients, but I'll give this a shot. Cyclopentasiloxane - 3rd ingredient, so there's lots of this in there. It's a silicone. Some say this is an ok silicone to use. I don't know about that - I avoid all silicones to be safe.

    Down towards the bottom is Dimethiconol, another silicone.

    Glycerin, Panthenol - neither are bad, but some people may have issues with them. Glycerin could make your hair frizzy during high humidity, panthenol is a type of protein. If you don't know if you need to avoid them, then you can probably just ignore it. It's fine for now.

    I see several different alcohols. Some are moisturizing and they're ok to use, but some are drying. I know that isopropyl alcohol is drying. That's the kind of alcohol you use to clean wounds - you might have some in your bathroom cabinet. Very drying. I'm not sure about the other alcohols.
    Thank you :) And I thought I knew this and that about ingredients lists... Could you recommend one good conditioner from your own experience to start with, please?
  • BrittanyMBrittanyM Posts: 75Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    Hi SilverRea, in regards of silicone for bleached hair. I have platinum blonde hair which means my hair is bleached. Silicones aren't necessary for bleached hair. You may be thinking of the protection or anti frizz factor that silicones can give. From my personal experience, my hair tends to break more when I use silicones. For bleached hair, you need moisture, and silicones seal off moisture (great for humidity not so great for hydration). Your hair may be suffering from all the silicone buildup.
  • SilverReaSilverRea Posts: 15Registered Users
    BrittanyM wrote: »
    Hi SilverRea, in regards of silicone for bleached hair. I have platinum blonde hair which means my hair is bleached. Silicones aren't necessary for bleached hair. You may be thinking of the protection or anti frizz factor that silicones can give. From my personal experience, my hair tends to break more when I use silicones. For bleached hair, you need moisture, and silicones seal off moisture (great for humidity not so great for hydration). Your hair may be suffering from all the silicone buildup.
    Thanks BrittanyM, that's very helpful :) I'm thinking of oils instead. I'd like to try coconut oil, but I think it's for the low porosity hair, it may frizz me like crazy...
  • bomegabomega Posts: 285Registered Users Curl Novice
    If you want to do an oil treatment, starting with coconut oil is fine to try and see, it isn't just a low-po hair. But to help decide if you want a penetrating or coating oil, the Sciency Hair Blog has an article about it. It also has an article about how to do a pre-wash oil treatment.
    Summer: Alaffia Coffee & Shea Revitalizing - Citrus Mint Shampoo and Conditioner
    Winter: Alaffia Coconut & Shea Daily Hydrating - Lavender Coconut Shampoo and Conditioner

    Fine, 2c, low porosity hair that I color using the 2-step henndigo with amla

    Looking for styling products and tools

    iHerb Code KQS149 for 5% off your order
  • SilverReaSilverRea Posts: 15Registered Users
    bomega wrote: »
    If you want to do an oil treatment, starting with coconut oil is fine to try and see, it isn't just a low-po hair. But to help decide if you want a penetrating or coating oil, the Sciency Hair Blog has an article about it. It also has an article about how to do a pre-wash oil treatment.
    Thanks, I've been oiling it with avocado oil, pumpkin seed oil and linen seed oil. Only avocado gave me good results but it stopped working after a month :/ I ordered Yes to Coconuts to try and see.

    However, I've spent the whole day on a research for SLS free shampoo that woudn't leave me broke only to end up buying one with Sodium Coco Sulfate and now I'm panicking because it turns out it's basically the samse as SLS and therefore it's not CG :angryfire:

    All the really natural shampoos are either horribly expensive or have protein in it. Or both.

    What now? Will my hair curl at all? :(
  • bomegabomega Posts: 285Registered Users Curl Novice
    I'm confused by your statement that you ordered Yes to Coconuts to do an oil treatment? You can do a coconut oil treatment with regular coconut oil from the grocery aisle. As a side note, many people find Olive Oil to give them better results, so that might be worth a try too.

    Can you get Giovanni where you live? Their shampoos are SLS free, and they have long reputation of excellence in the natural products industry (they were doing it before it was cool ;).)
    Summer: Alaffia Coffee & Shea Revitalizing - Citrus Mint Shampoo and Conditioner
    Winter: Alaffia Coconut & Shea Daily Hydrating - Lavender Coconut Shampoo and Conditioner

    Fine, 2c, low porosity hair that I color using the 2-step henndigo with amla

    Looking for styling products and tools

    iHerb Code KQS149 for 5% off your order
  • SilverReaSilverRea Posts: 15Registered Users
    bomega wrote: »
    I'm confused by your statement that you ordered Yes to Coconuts to do an oil treatment? You can do a coconut oil treatment with regular coconut oil from the grocery aisle. As a side note, many people find Olive Oil to give them better results, so that might be worth a try too.

    Can you get Giovanni where you live? Their shampoos are SLS free, and they have long reputation of excellence in the natural products industry (they were doing it before it was cool ;).)
    Ah nooo, I've ordered Yes to Coconuts because I need a nourishing silicone free conditioner and I'm planning to use it as such. I,m just wondering: are silicones straightening the hair and that's why they're bad for curls?

    Yes, I can get Giovanni at one store chain but it's not the cheapest so I'll have to wait until I have some more money. Thank you for the recommendation though :)
  • bomegabomega Posts: 285Registered Users Curl Novice
    Here is the ingredients for the Yes To Coconuts Conditioner:
    Water (Aqua), Cetearyl Alcohol, Glycerin, Behentrimonium Chloride, Cetyl Esters, Cocos Nucifera (Coconut) Oil, Argania Spinosa Kernel Oil*, Aleurites Moluccana Seed Oil, Morinda Citrifolia Fruit Extract, Hibiscus Sabdariffa Flower Extract, Orchis Mascula Flower Extract, Aleurites Moluccana Seed Extract, Psidium Guajava Fruit Extract, Musa Sapientum (Banana) Fruit Extract, Citrus Grandis (Grapefruit) Seed Extract, Ascorbic Acid, Polyquarternium-10, Phospholipids, Glycine Soja (Soybean) Oil, Guar Hydroxypropyltrimonium Chloride, Citric Acid, Potassium Sorbate, Sodium Benzoate, Phenoxyethanol, Fragrance, Courmarin. *Certified Organic Ingredient

    I don't see any silicones in it. It looks ok. It has a polyquat in it, but nothing an occasional clarifying can't take care of. The shampoo has Sodium Coco-Sulfate, which according to a website I found might or might not be harsh to the hair. I think its worth trying, especially since you already ordered it.

    Silicones aren't straightening in themselves, but you will find them in "straightening serums" and such because they are good at providing heat protection even for high heat tools like flat irons. Silicones are considered bad for curly hair because they completely coat the hair shaft, blocking any moisture from getting in and eventually drying the hair. The only way to remove silicones is with harsh detergents (like sulfates) and those harsh detergents also in turn dry out the hair, a vicious cycle which can be hard to recover from.
    Summer: Alaffia Coffee & Shea Revitalizing - Citrus Mint Shampoo and Conditioner
    Winter: Alaffia Coconut & Shea Daily Hydrating - Lavender Coconut Shampoo and Conditioner

    Fine, 2c, low porosity hair that I color using the 2-step henndigo with amla

    Looking for styling products and tools

    iHerb Code KQS149 for 5% off your order
  • SilverReaSilverRea Posts: 15Registered Users
    bomega wrote: »
    Here is the ingredients for the Yes To Coconuts Conditioner:
    Water (Aqua), Cetearyl Alcohol, Glycerin, Behentrimonium Chloride, Cetyl Esters, Cocos Nucifera (Coconut) Oil, Argania Spinosa Kernel Oil*, Aleurites Moluccana Seed Oil, Morinda Citrifolia Fruit Extract, Hibiscus Sabdariffa Flower Extract, Orchis Mascula Flower Extract, Aleurites Moluccana Seed Extract, Psidium Guajava Fruit Extract, Musa Sapientum (Banana) Fruit Extract, Citrus Grandis (Grapefruit) Seed Extract, Ascorbic Acid, Polyquarternium-10, Phospholipids, Glycine Soja (Soybean) Oil, Guar Hydroxypropyltrimonium Chloride, Citric Acid, Potassium Sorbate, Sodium Benzoate, Phenoxyethanol, Fragrance, Courmarin. *Certified Organic Ingredient

    I don't see any silicones in it. It looks ok. It has a polyquat in it, but nothing an occasional clarifying can't take care of. The shampoo has Sodium Coco-Sulfate, which according to a website I found might or might not be harsh to the hair. I think its worth trying, especially since you already ordered it.

    Silicones aren't straightening in themselves, but you will find them in "straightening serums" and such because they are good at providing heat protection even for high heat tools like flat irons. Silicones are considered bad for curly hair because they completely coat the hair shaft, blocking any moisture from getting in and eventually drying the hair. The only way to remove silicones is with harsh detergents (like sulfates) and those harsh detergents also in turn dry out the hair, a vicious cycle which can be hard to recover from.
    Thank you for taking the time to check and share all this information with me, really appreciate it :)

    I know I'll still need to get a haircut for wavy hair since my last cut was for the straight hair I still had back then. And I'm trying to master the diffuser but so far, broken waves and strawy mop. I look like this:

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  • BrittanyMBrittanyM Posts: 75Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    Silicones are bad for two reasons.
    1) if you do not use sulfate shampoo after using them, they will stay on the hair. They will cause build up. Sulfate free shampoo, conditioner, water will not remove them from the hair.
    2) they seal out moisture. Curly hair needs moisture, so silicones sealing out is not good. Silicones need to be removed to get proper hydration.
    Some curlies still use silicones and sulfate. So it's really up to your hair. I've chosen to avoid them since I don't use sulfate shampoo regularly, so they would build up and dry out my hair.
  • SilverReaSilverRea Posts: 15Registered Users
    So, I've washed with clarifying shampoo and used silicon free conditioner (Yes To), scrunched, put my hair into turbie towel for 15 mins. Then removed the towel, combed with wide tooth comb, took some linen gel and kept on crunching until there were nice waves. Then I dried it with diffuser. At first I saw almost full curls but then they dropped and relaxed to almost nothing! :( So I went to bed with only a slight wave and lots of volume. Today I added some water and a bit of a drugstore gel, scrunched and pinned to the sides and did my make up. The result is as follows. I'm really depressed. I look like a walking ad of poorly made 80's perm :(

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  • BrittanyMBrittanyM Posts: 75Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    Maybe put your gel in before you put it up in a turbie twist? Then when you let it down, dont touch it. Try diffusing then. Also try air drying as well. Diffusing causes frizz for some people.
  • SilverReaSilverRea Posts: 15Registered Users
    BrittanyM wrote: »
    Maybe put your gel in before you put it up in a turbine twist? Then when you let it down, dont touch it. Try diffusing then. Also try air drying as well. Diffusing causes frizz for some people.

    Thank you, but I've tried both. It's like scrunching breaks my waves into smaller perm-like ones. But if I don't scrunch it well before diffusing I end up with broken, strawy wavy-ish strands. And if I air dry, it does look better but not much. The waves are a bit bigger but as frizzy and I get a flat top :(

    EDIT: Can it have something to do with the fact that my hair is really damaged and needs a cut? Will damaged hair curl the same as healthy? Or/and with the fact that it's been cut straight so far?
  • rbbrbb Posts: 4,120Registered Users Curl Connoisseur
    i think a good cut will make a difference, maybe more LONG layers. make sure you find a good stylist. they don't have to cut a lot, just a trim.

    3a, some 2c & 3b, medium texture, porosity normal, low elasticity :-(
    washing/cowashing, conditioning, protein tx: curl junkie products
    leave in:cj conditioners and treatments as leave in
    styling: cj aloe fix gel, cj pattern pusha, cj honey butta leave in, cj cccc, cj ciab.
    sealants - jane carter nourish & shine
  • Guide 65Guide 65 Posts: 262Registered Users, Moderators Curl Connoisseur
    I don't think your hair looks too bad - you just need a little tweaking to make it better!

    Stop combing after showering. If you want curl, then the comb just straightens out the hair. If your hair is tangled, comb in the shower with your hair full of conditioner.

    If scrunching is breaking up the clumps (it will for me too), then try gently scrunching with your towel (t-shirt or microfibre hair towel).

    What kind of gel are you using? Most of the drugstore ones have silicones and harsh alcohols.
    Formerly known as Janiegirl
    2C/3A, fine hair, low density, protein loving hair
    Current products:
    Deva Low-Poo original formula
    Deva One Condition original formula
    Dippity Do Girls with Curls Gelee
  • SilverReaSilverRea Posts: 15Registered Users
    janiegirl wrote: »
    I don't think your hair looks too bad - you just need a little tweaking to make it better!

    Stop combing after showering. If you want curl, then the comb just straightens out the hair. If your hair is tangled, comb in the shower with your hair full of conditioner.

    If scrunching is breaking up the clumps (it will for me too), then try gently scrunching with your towel (t-shirt or microfibre hair towel).

    What kind of gel are you using? Most of the drugstore ones have silicones and harsh alcohols.
    My hair doesn't tangle at all. Maybe I should quit the comb altogether... It's such a strong, cultural complusion though! But I can see how my hair is changing dynamically. Only a week ago it still loved combing and now combing = drama. For scrunching after washing I'm using linen gel. I usually use is in the morning to revive the wave as well but yesterday (what you can see on the picture) I used Boots own brand gel, I read it's CG friendly. Here's the ingredients:

    Aqua, PVP, Carbomer, Phenoxyethanol, Aminomethyl propanol, PEG-4 hydrogenated castor oil, Sodium benzoate, Sodium methylparaben, Dipropylene glycol, parfum, Benzophenone-4, Tetrasodium EDTA, Benzyl salicylate, Butylphenyl methylpropional, Limonene, Hydroxycitronellal, CI 60730, CI 17200

    Also, someone suggested this state of hair could be a result of using linen gel daily as it's not neutral but a strong humectant and as such can throw the hair off the protein-emolient-humectant balance. Would you agree?

    I had such a tight curls when I used the diffuser and I wonder why did they drop like that? Does that mean my hair has a potential to curl that much?
  • BrittanyMBrittanyM Posts: 75Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    Hm. Definitely try not combing. The YouTuber IndiaBatson only finger combs in the shower with conditioner, and she has looser waves like you. If your hair doesn't tangle badly, try that. If your hair has a bend to it, it has potential to curl/wave. Straight hair is straight when wet.
    The gel ingredients look fine. I know some people have trouble with PVP, and some stay away from Tetrasodium EDTA.
    As to linen gel, I will let others comment as I have no idea what that is. Humectants can cause frizz in extremely humid or extremely dry climates. Some avoid according to where they live.
    Is it possible that gel is just too heavy for your hair and is stretching out the hair? As for the frizz, you could try deep conditioning with a mask or a great conditioner. I don't know where you live and what's available in your country, but if you can't buy a deep conditioner, try mixing your normal conditioner (4 parts) with one part honey and one part aloe vera juice/gel. This is the SnowyMoon moisture treatment that can be found throughout the internet.
    Are you scrunching upside down or upright? Try the opposite of whatever you're doing. Maybe your sleep routine is causing the hair to frizz overnight?
    I'm sorry this is frustrating. Textured hair takes a bit to learn, and I think textured hair is its own sentient being.
  • SilverReaSilverRea Posts: 15Registered Users
    BrittanyM wrote: »
    As to linen gel, I will let others comment as I have no idea what that is. Humectants can cause frizz in extremely humid or extremely dry climates. Some avoid according to where they live.
    Hmm that would make sense as I live in Scotland. And lol, I meant linseed gel, of course, sorry!
    Is it possible that gel is just too heavy for your hair and is stretching out the hair? As for the frizz, you could try deep conditioning with a mask or a great conditioner. I don't know where you live and what's available in your country, but if you can't buy a deep conditioner, try mixing your normal conditioner (4 parts) with one part honey and one part aloe vera juice/gel. This is the SnowyMoon moisture treatment that can be found throughout the internet.
    As I said, Scotland and I'm slowly scanning the market for the options ;)
    Are you scrunching upside down or upright? Try the opposite of whatever you're doing. Maybe your sleep routine is causing the hair to frizz overnight?
    I'm sorry this is frustrating. Textured hair takes a bit to learn, and I think textured hair is its own sentient being.
    Thank you, you're very kind :) I've had a massive success with what janiegirl has suggested in her last post. However I ruined it with overproteining yesterday aaand back to the start. Oh well, I guess I'm making some progress all the time thanks to you guys!:occasion9:
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