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having trouble refreshing 2nd day hair!

faithiebee123faithiebee123 Posts: 24Registered Users Curl Neophyte
What is your 2nd day refreshing method?

My hair looks fine when I wake up but definitely needs a boost. I spray it down with water to reactivate the products and give it a good scrunch. It looks okay at first but then either falls limp or gets frizzy or both. What should I do? Is my hair just not moisturized enough to start with?
2a/b fine strands, medium density, possibly medium/high porosity

Current products:
Maui Moisture Curl Quench shampoo and conditioner
Maui Moisture Curl Quench curl smoothie
SM argan oil
LA Looks mega hold gel (the yellow one)

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  • Therese1Therese1 Posts: 1,707Registered Users Curl Novice
    I would say that you are correct, your hair is not moisturized enough to start with.

    For me to be able to get second-day hair, I first of all need to use a fair amount of product on wash day. I find that if I don't use enough product, there is not enough product to properly reactivate and hold my hair on day 2. It seems like the product is what gives my hair structure and shape, and without enough, my hair will be very lifeless on day 2.

    I also have better results if I spritz my hair at night, before bed. I spritz it a bit, then pineapple. That way my hair does not need as much moisture in the morning.

    For refreshing in the morning, I spritz my hair with water and rope scrunch it in, repeating until I feel that my hair is actually starting to get damp and a little limp. Then I stop adding water, and do some regular scrunching. Then I add some clips at the roots for volume and let my hair air dry. I finish with a little hairspray to form an additional barrier against the air, so my hair keeps its moisture longer.
    Low poo: Intelligent Nutrients (IN) Harmonic; Oribe Cleansing Creme
    RO: IN Harmonic
    LI: As I Am; CJ Beauticurls; Jessicurl (JC) Gelebration Spray
    Stylers: JC Confident Coils; IN Volumizing Spray; IN Perfect Hold Hairspray; John Masters Sea Mist; Bumble Bb. Gel
    Normal- to low-porosity 2a/b baby-fine hair
  • faithiebee123faithiebee123 Posts: 24Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    Hmm.. I guess I'll start trying some more things.

    I tried for months to follow the CGM exactly but I just couldn't get it to work for me. Cowashing specifically. My hair never stopped feeling greasy and weighed down. I guess I'm doing a modified CGM now. I went back to using shampoo and conditioner (SM fruit fusion line). I'm still debating whether or not it worked for my hair. I want to say it wasn't quite moisturizing enough. The smell is HEAVENLY though. I stopped being able to find it at CVS and Walgreens :(. I don't like ordering hair products online unless I have to because they almost always come broken and leaking so I've been trying other things in stores. I want to go back to the SM products though. I've been hesitant to try the coconut and hibiscus line because I think it might be too heavy, but I guess it doesn't hurt to try. What other SM products would you recommend? I don't use any leave ins because I felt like those were too heavy too with everything else in my hair. UGH this journey is so hard sometimes! I do use a Moroccan oil that has quite a few silicones which I know is a huge no no, but it was expensive and I refuse to just throw it away, so I'm trying to use it up. Before starting the CGM though it was my absolute favorite hair product so it will be difficult to part with... I guess I'm just too used to my hair feeling a certain way that it's been hard to accept it feeling any other way like it does with products in it.

    My current method is as follows. Please help me try to figure out where I'm going wrong! Hair stats: I think it's 2a/2b. Fine but thick. Not sure on porosity.
    First I soak my hair with water. Then I wash and condition my hair with Maui Moisture coconut milk. I don't detangle in the shower because it gets tangly no matter how careful I am that it doesn't.
    I leave the conditioner in my hair while I do the rest of my shower stuff.
    After probably 5-ish minutes the very last thing I do in the shower is rinse my hair.
    Then I towel dry and detangle with a wide tooth comb (it's still wet at this point.)
    I add some of my moroccan oil because it locks in moisture right?
    Then I start adding original Curl Keeper, Curl Keeper Gel, and occasionally a couple squirts of the Curl Keeper Beach Mist (in that order).
    Then I scrunch
    Then I clip my hair up and run a hair dryer with diffuser over it on the cold setting to boost some of the drying time. I leave it in the clips for as long as I can. Sometimes I take down each section and blow dry with diffuser (on cold) if I'm short on time. I let it air dry as much as possible though.

    For sleep I pineapple. In the morning and spray with water until damp and scrunch. It usually always air dries.
    2a/b fine strands, medium density, possibly medium/high porosity

    Current products:
    Maui Moisture Curl Quench shampoo and conditioner
    Maui Moisture Curl Quench curl smoothie
    SM argan oil
    LA Looks mega hold gel (the yellow one)
  • la_ninonla_ninon Posts: 118Registered Users
    Are you using a microfiber towel? That--or a t-shirt--can really help cut down on frizz. You might also try applying your products to sopping wet hair, then plopping and diffusing. It's hard to find products and a routine that provide consistent results. I'm about 3 months in and still can't get 2nd day hair, and I'm tiring of going through my whole routine everyday. Hang in there!
    Lo Poo: MOP Hydrating Shampoo
    Leave-Ins: CJ Beauticurls, Briogeo Rosarco Spray
    Rinse-Outs: Intelligent Nutrients Harmonic Conditioner, Garnier Fructis Sleek & Shine
    Stylers: L'Oreal Out of Bed Texturizer, Bumble & Bumble Bb. Gel, Yarok Hair Whip, Davines Volu Spray
    Treatments: ACV rinse, CJ Curl Rehab, caffeine solution spray

    2C-3A, fine, low-medium porosity, low-medium density, sensitive scalp, protein-sensitive
  • faithiebee123faithiebee123 Posts: 24Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    Oh, yes, I do! I use either a T shirt or my microfiber turbie twist.
    2a/b fine strands, medium density, possibly medium/high porosity

    Current products:
    Maui Moisture Curl Quench shampoo and conditioner
    Maui Moisture Curl Quench curl smoothie
    SM argan oil
    LA Looks mega hold gel (the yellow one)
  • WavyKfromNJWavyKfromNJ Posts: 188Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    Is this the Moroccan Oil you use?

    Moroccanoil Treatment - Moroccanoil | Sephora

    Because it is loaded with cones. So you may need to clarify and try something else.
    2b, 2c,
    High Porosity - Very Fine Hair

    Low Poo: Living Proof Restore Shampoo
    Rinse Out: Living Proof Restore Conditioner
    Leave In: Living Proof Curl Leave-In
    Treatments: Restore Repair Leave-In, Colorful Neutral Protein Filler, Sunflower Oil Pre-poo
    Styling: Living Proof Curl Defining Styling Cream and/or Living Proof Curl Enhancing Styling Mousse
  • faithiebee123faithiebee123 Posts: 24Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    Yes, it is. I know it has cones in it. I'm almost at the end of the bottle I have. It's too expensive IMO to just throw out so I'm going to finish it. I'm sure that's a big part of my problem. I did stop using it for a while when I first started the CGM. I honestly haven't seen much difference between not using it and using it. Now that I'm mostly doing CGM my hair is tangle prone and frizzy especially on days 2 and 3 which I know means it's dry. I'm still trying to find balance between enough and too much moisture. I haven't quite found that magical cocktail for my hair yet I guess.
    2a/b fine strands, medium density, possibly medium/high porosity

    Current products:
    Maui Moisture Curl Quench shampoo and conditioner
    Maui Moisture Curl Quench curl smoothie
    SM argan oil
    LA Looks mega hold gel (the yellow one)
  • WavyKfromNJWavyKfromNJ Posts: 188Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    Maybe try the "oil" before towel drying to seal in the moisture.
    2b, 2c,
    High Porosity - Very Fine Hair

    Low Poo: Living Proof Restore Shampoo
    Rinse Out: Living Proof Restore Conditioner
    Leave In: Living Proof Curl Leave-In
    Treatments: Restore Repair Leave-In, Colorful Neutral Protein Filler, Sunflower Oil Pre-poo
    Styling: Living Proof Curl Defining Styling Cream and/or Living Proof Curl Enhancing Styling Mousse
  • faithiebee123faithiebee123 Posts: 24Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    I bought an Argan oil from SM that I got that I plan on trying once the one I'm using runs out. I'm curious to see what my hair does with a non cone oil.
    2a/b fine strands, medium density, possibly medium/high porosity

    Current products:
    Maui Moisture Curl Quench shampoo and conditioner
    Maui Moisture Curl Quench curl smoothie
    SM argan oil
    LA Looks mega hold gel (the yellow one)
  • WavyKfromNJWavyKfromNJ Posts: 188Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    I noticed on your other posts that you will be moving soon. If you haven't moved yet, it may not be worth putting too much effort into figuring this out, since you will soon be dealing with a new climate and new water (harder or softer).

    If you have or have not moved yet I almost always point people to my favorite resource:
    Science-y Hair Blog

    She breaks down a lot of the science behind hair and hair products. How to tell if you need more moisture or protein and product and routine suggestions.

    I think my hair falls flat on second/third day due to lack of protein - not moisture, when I spray it with protein treatment it spring back to life. So don't always think moisture, it could be over conditioned.
    2b, 2c,
    High Porosity - Very Fine Hair

    Low Poo: Living Proof Restore Shampoo
    Rinse Out: Living Proof Restore Conditioner
    Leave In: Living Proof Curl Leave-In
    Treatments: Restore Repair Leave-In, Colorful Neutral Protein Filler, Sunflower Oil Pre-poo
    Styling: Living Proof Curl Defining Styling Cream and/or Living Proof Curl Enhancing Styling Mousse
  • faithiebee123faithiebee123 Posts: 24Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    I agree for the most part. I'm moving to a drier climate though so if my hair is dry now in a hot humid climate it really will be dry there. That's interesting about the protein though. How do I had more protein?
    2a/b fine strands, medium density, possibly medium/high porosity

    Current products:
    Maui Moisture Curl Quench shampoo and conditioner
    Maui Moisture Curl Quench curl smoothie
    SM argan oil
    LA Looks mega hold gel (the yellow one)
  • WavyKfromNJWavyKfromNJ Posts: 188Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    You can look for products with hydrolyzed protein - like wheat or silk. The downside is that you will may invest in more products that don't work.

    Try Colorful Neutral Protein Filler - you can get it for a few bucks at Sally Beauty Supply. You can add a few drops to your existing products or dilute it and spray it in your hair

    Science-y Hair Blog (from my last post) also has a recipes for protein treatments using gelatin. If you are against using animal products she also has a post about using beer.

    Another option - that is not a protein option is an oil pre-poo. I would start with an oil you already have like olive. There are lots of posts & articles on NC about an oil pre-poo.
    2b, 2c,
    High Porosity - Very Fine Hair

    Low Poo: Living Proof Restore Shampoo
    Rinse Out: Living Proof Restore Conditioner
    Leave In: Living Proof Curl Leave-In
    Treatments: Restore Repair Leave-In, Colorful Neutral Protein Filler, Sunflower Oil Pre-poo
    Styling: Living Proof Curl Defining Styling Cream and/or Living Proof Curl Enhancing Styling Mousse
  • faithiebee123faithiebee123 Posts: 24Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    Thanks! :) I'm at work right now but I'll browse that website you sent when I get home when I can concentrate on it lol.
    2a/b fine strands, medium density, possibly medium/high porosity

    Current products:
    Maui Moisture Curl Quench shampoo and conditioner
    Maui Moisture Curl Quench curl smoothie
    SM argan oil
    LA Looks mega hold gel (the yellow one)
  • wavyblondewavyblonde Posts: 1,637Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    I never re-wet my hair for the second day. I use a product with enough hold when I wash that it just needs some moisture scrunched in via a cream product. My favorite thing to scrunch in to revive my hair on second/third day is the Coffee Coco Cream Lite. Just a pea-sized amount is usually enough.
    2c/3a with 2b underlayer. Fine, porous. Loves protein. But not hydrolized wheat protein. Yuck.

    Wash: WEN Sweet Almond Mint or Pomegranate
    Gels: LA Looks Sport Gel
    Mousse: Tigi Catwalk Curlesque
    Curling creams/gellies: Coffee Coco Curling Cream Lite, Spiral Solutions Curl Enhancing Jelly, Curls Gel-les'c
    SOTC: JC N&S (LOVE)
    http://public.fotki.com/wavyblonde/hair-2010/
  • oashleeoashlee Posts: 9Registered Users
    What is your 2nd day refreshing method?

    My hair looks fine when I wake up but definitely needs a boost. I spray it down with water to reactivate the products and give it a good scrunch. It looks okay at first but then either falls limp or gets frizzy or both. What should I do? Is my hair just not moisturized enough to start with?

    I have the same problem in regards to frizz. I just started changing my hair routine and need some advice...did not want to necessarily start a new topic since so many have the same problems :) . I am 2c (with some 3a)...not sure on the rest (I think fine and high porosity). I am not sure if my hair is fine or not...I have read about looking at the transparency of your hair...my hair is very dark though, so I am not sure whether that test works for me. When I first started to go more CG I am pretty sure I was overmoisturized (hair flat, lots of frizz). After doing some protein treatments, I got my curl back. Now I am still dealing with the frizz issue though, even after washing. I add product while my hair is soaking wet and use a microfiber towel to scrunch. I either air dry or dry under a soft dryer. I have been washing my hair every other day using shampoo every third wash, cowash the other two times. My curls look so much better and my scalp is significantly less irritated (I used to rely on dry shampoo since I had no idea what I was doing).

    I have been trying the Carol's Daughter Hair Milk Styling Foam, DevaCurl SuperCream, and One n Only Hair Gel (not all at once, but I have been seeing that 2cs usually use gel or something with hold). I really like the supercream, but I have just been having tons of frizz issues, regardless of protein vs no protein. 2nd day hair is worse, but I will have this even on first day hair. Washing with shampoo seems to help a little. Any suggestions?? Sorry for the novel-length post!
    CG since Oct 2017
    2c/3a, frizz-prone
    Density: med-thick
    Porosity: medium-high
    Thickness: medium
    Likes: protein, curl creams, hard hold gels

    Wash: DevaCurl LowPoo/OneCond Delight & NoPoo/OneCond Decadence
    LI: CJ CASL
    Stylers: CJ CCCL, DC UDG, KCCC, KC Original
    Experimenting with: jessicurl, oidad, CJ, protein!