Hair Stylist Dilemma

LauraimesLauraimes Posts: 882Registered Users Curl Novice
Hello dear fellow curlies! Long time no see.

I'm dealing with a hair stylist dilemma and I could definitely use some advice.

My current hair stylist is supposed to be specialised in cutting curls, and she cuts them dry. She uses my products and cotton t-shirt. The first cut was really nice, and I was a happy curly. The second one not so much, including tears: she had cut it way too short. She was supposed to take off 2 cm/ 3/4 inches, but instead took off 12 cm/4 3/4 inches. I went back to tell her that I wasn't happy and tried to figured out how this could have happened; she said the thought I indicated that much, but I never have. Still, I gave her the chance of the doubt and let her cut it one more time. It was okay, nothing special.

However, I notice that I dread going for a hair cut, so I've been thinking that I should maybe try and find a different one (again). Especially now that I'm engaged, I want to find a hair stylist that I can trust and that can deal with my specific wishes once it's time to get my hair done for the wedding. I have a feeling that my current stylist is not the right person for that.

Someone recommended an Aveda salon to me, so this afternoon I went there to have a chat about my wishes and their services. They gave me advice about how they would cut my hair, which definitely fitted the bill. They also seem very knowledgeable and are always training. That's something I like; my current hair stylist seems to lack that kind of passion. However, at Aveda, they are not allowed to use other products than Aveda. I can understand that, but I'm worried that this may be an issue. Sulphates and cones are a definite no go for me. They have a co-wash, but it has a polyquat in it. I'm willing to give that a try; generally I don't do well with them, but who knows? They gave me a sample of the co-wash so I can first experiment with it. They also gave me a sample of a DT, because she thought my hair could use one (she was right in observing that it's rather dry and dull at the moment). However, it has a cone in it (possibly soluble, have to check) and guar something chloride (some kind of a polyquat to which my hair responded badly in the past).

I'm a bit torn. I need a haircut really badly, but I don't feel like going back to my current hair stylist (otherwise I would've done so already), and I'm scared to go to a new salon (and one where I can't bring my own stuff). If I could bring my own, it would've been a different story and I would've dared to take the plunge.

Anyone any thoughts on what would be a good approach?

As for the products, here are the ingredients:

Aveda be curly co-wash:
Water\Aqua\Eau, Cetearyl Alcohol, Coco-Betaine, Hydroxypropyl Starch Phosphate, Behentrimonium Chloride, Orbignya Oleifera (Babassu) Seed Oil, Tapioca Starch, Aloe Barbadensis Leaf Juice, Adansonia Digitata Seed Oil, Hydrolyzed Wheat Protein, Polyquaternium-10, Maltodextrin, Citric Acid, Fragrance (Parfum), Linalool, Eugenol, Geraniol, Citronellol, Citral, Limonene, Potassium Sorbate, Phenoxyethanol

Aveda be curly intensive detangling masque:
Water\Aqua\Eau, Cetearyl Alcohol, Elaeis Guineensis (Palm) Oil, Glycerin , Dodecane, Tetradecane, Orbignya Oleifera (Babassu) Seed Oil, Adansonia Digitata Seed Oil, Butyrospermum Parkii (Shea Butter), Aloe Barbadensis Leaf, Hydrolyzed Wheat Protein, Tapioca Starch, Caprylyl Glycol, Guar Hydroxypropyltrimonium Chloride, Behentrimonium Chloride, Hydroxypropyl Methylcellulose, Cetrimonium Chloride, Cetyl Esters, Bis-Cetearyl Amodimethicone, Fragrance (Parfum), Linalool, Eugenol, Geraniol, Citronellol, Citral, Limonene, Phenoxyethanol
F - LP - HD - L/NE
Fine, low porosity, high density, low/normal elasticity
Hairtype 2c

Low poo: SheaMoisture Fruit Fusion Coconut Water Weightless Shampoo
Detangler/RO: KCKT with 
Colorful Neutral Protein Filler
Styling: KCCC

Beauty Is Not a Number

Comments

  • rbbrbb Posts: 4,319Registered Users Curl Connoisseur
    nice to see you! i do remember you.

    i would avoid the aveda products, let them cut your hair dry, and then leave without a shampoo. that is what i do just for convenience. you are the customer, so they have to make you happy. if not, find another place.

    it sounds like the first stylist isn't really what you are looking for. interesting that you said the first cut was good, i'm thinking maybe because she was following an old cut? or just trimming an older cut that was good?????
    also, i've heard stories about aveda and I'm not so sure they are always well-trained. (many years ago i had client who actually worked there....)
    but, it could be a good cut. where are you located?

    i love my stylist, i truly believe he is the best curly stylist, but i have to travel into the city and deal with traffic both ways. i am getting to the point that even tho i only go in 2x/yr, i just don't want to deal with it anymore. it was ok when he had 9 a.m appt for sat, but he no longer has that, earliest is 10. i tried someone local twice, just for a trim. the first time was good but i realized i only let him cut the bottom edges, so the rest was my original stylist's cut. the 2nd leaves a lot to be desired, in fact, is bordering on bad. not sure what i am going to do.

    but sticking with a bad stylist is not an option. you already know she isn't going to work in the long term. i say give aveda a one-time try, but tell them you don't want them to wash your hair. (if it makes you feel better, you can always claim allergies.) if the cut isn't good, it leaves you time to find another. you are stopping any curly you see with good hair, and asking who her stylist is, right? :-)

    3a, some 2c & 3b, medium texture, porosity normal, low elasticity :-(
    washing/cowashing, conditioning, protein tx: curl junkie products
    leave in:curl junkie conditioners and treatments as leave in
    styling: curl junkie 
    sealants - jane carter nourish & shine
  • LauraimesLauraimes Posts: 882Registered Users Curl Novice
    So good to see you are still on here, rbb! Thanks for replying.

    I'm located in the Netherlands and always on the search for a hair stylist that I feel I can trust. I live in a city so I have about ten hair salons at walking distance. There's a salon at two minutes walking distance that claims to specialise in curly hair, applying the ElastoCurl technique???

    What makes your curly stylist the best curly stylist? Maybe that helps me define what I am searching for :)
    F - LP - HD - L/NE
    Fine, low porosity, high density, low/normal elasticity
    Hairtype 2c

    Low poo: SheaMoisture Fruit Fusion Coconut Water Weightless Shampoo
    Detangler/RO: KCKT with 
    Colorful Neutral Protein Filler
    Styling: KCCC

    Beauty Is Not a Number
  • rbbrbb Posts: 4,319Registered Users Curl Connoisseur
    what makes my stylist good is that not only can he cut curls, but he can blend in the different curl patterns i have (mostly 3a, some 3b curls and some 2c waves) so that it looks great and grows in so nicely. i do go 6 months between haircuts.

    i think many deva inspired stylists know how to cut a curl, but few know how to blend it.

    the local stylist i tried does a dry cut and can cut a curl. however, he picks up a large curl clump and cuts as one, where the other guy separates it into individual curls. local guy takes literally 4 minutes to cut my hair, the true stylist takes 35-40 minutes. my hair is not lying right around my head, not a pyramid but not a good shape. with the other one i always get compliments and stopped and asked where i get my hair cut. i can tell when i wake up in morning by the way my hair looks -- good or bad.

    haha -- as i am writing this it is becoming clear that i really need to make that drive.

    i don't know if you ever read the thread in the salon/stylist forum, but it has great info. it's the first one, a sticky:
    What Should I Tell My Stylist?

    3a, some 2c & 3b, medium texture, porosity normal, low elasticity :-(
    washing/cowashing, conditioning, protein tx: curl junkie products
    leave in:curl junkie conditioners and treatments as leave in
    styling: curl junkie 
    sealants - jane carter nourish & shine
  • machermacher Posts: 1,007Registered Users Curl Connoisseur
    rbb wrote: »
    nice to see you! i do remember you.

    i would avoid the aveda products, let them cut your hair dry, and then leave without a shampoo. that is what i do just for convenience. you are the customer, so they have to make you happy. if not, find another place.

    it sounds like the first stylist isn't really what you are looking for. interesting that you said the first cut was good, i'm thinking maybe because she was following an old cut? or just trimming an older cut that was good?????
    also, i've heard stories about aveda and I'm not so sure they are always well-trained. (many years ago i had client who actually worked there....)
    but, it could be a good cut. where are you located?

    i love my stylist, i truly believe he is the best curly stylist, but i have to travel into the city and deal with traffic both ways. i am getting to the point that even tho i only go in 2x/yr, i just don't want to deal with it anymore. it was ok when he had 9 a.m appt for sat, but he no longer has that, earliest is 10. i tried someone local twice, just for a trim. the first time was good but i realized i only let him cut the bottom edges, so the rest was my original stylist's cut. the 2nd leaves a lot to be desired, in fact, is bordering on bad. not sure what i am going to do.

    but sticking with a bad stylist is not an option. you already know she isn't going to work in the long term. i say give aveda a one-time try, but tell them you don't want them to wash your hair. (if it makes you feel better, you can always claim allergies.) if the cut isn't good, it leaves you time to find another. you are stopping any curly you see with good hair, and asking who her stylist is, right? :-)

    Aveda doesn't cut hair dry, the cut it wet. And you'll need to tell them not to use thinning shears or razor scissors.
  • rbbrbb Posts: 4,319Registered Users Curl Connoisseur
    macher wrote: »
    Aveda doesn't cut hair dry, the cut it wet. And you'll need to tell them not to use thinning shears or razor scissors.

    reading this, now i say aveda won't be your answer. keep looking. sorry, but you really don't want to leave one bad situation for another. it makes sense as aveda really is about products.

    btw, i meant to say so nice to hear about your engagement/upcoming wedding!

    3a, some 2c & 3b, medium texture, porosity normal, low elasticity :-(
    washing/cowashing, conditioning, protein tx: curl junkie products
    leave in:curl junkie conditioners and treatments as leave in
    styling: curl junkie 
    sealants - jane carter nourish & shine
  • LauraimesLauraimes Posts: 882Registered Users Curl Novice
    rbb wrote: »
    macher wrote: »
    Aveda doesn't cut hair dry, the cut it wet. And you'll need to tell them not to use thinning shears or razor scissors.

    reading this, now i say aveda won't be your answer. keep looking. sorry, but you really don't want to leave one bad situation for another. it makes sense as aveda really is about products.

    btw, i meant to say so nice to hear about your engagement/upcoming wedding!

    That does make sense. I may need to go back to my current stylist one more time; there's a bit of a rush since I'm going abroad for yoga teacher training in a few weeks and my hair needs to have settled by then. Perhaps I should take some time to look for a new stylist for the cut after that.

    And thank you! I feel like I am the luckiest girl (woman?) in the world <3
    F - LP - HD - L/NE
    Fine, low porosity, high density, low/normal elasticity
    Hairtype 2c

    Low poo: SheaMoisture Fruit Fusion Coconut Water Weightless Shampoo
    Detangler/RO: KCKT with 
    Colorful Neutral Protein Filler
    Styling: KCCC

    Beauty Is Not a Number
  • LauraimesLauraimes Posts: 882Registered Users Curl Novice
    I still haven't had a hair cut as I haven't gone back to my old one as suggested in my last post, but I have made an appointment at a different salon! I remembered that there is a curly salon around the corner. A few years ago I inquired about bringing my own products to which they responded positively, but as a student I couldn't afford the price they asked. Now I can and I inquired one more time to be absolutely certain; it is no problem at all to bring my own stuff, so I am going to get a curly hair cut tomorrow!
    F - LP - HD - L/NE
    Fine, low porosity, high density, low/normal elasticity
    Hairtype 2c

    Low poo: SheaMoisture Fruit Fusion Coconut Water Weightless Shampoo
    Detangler/RO: KCKT with 
    Colorful Neutral Protein Filler
    Styling: KCCC

    Beauty Is Not a Number
  • rbbrbb Posts: 4,319Registered Users Curl Connoisseur
    that's great! let us know how it turns out.

    3a, some 2c & 3b, medium texture, porosity normal, low elasticity :-(
    washing/cowashing, conditioning, protein tx: curl junkie products
    leave in:curl junkie conditioners and treatments as leave in
    styling: curl junkie 
    sealants - jane carter nourish & shine
  • LauraimesLauraimes Posts: 882Registered Users Curl Novice
    Will definitely do!

    I've also discovered that a store nearby imports hair products from America. They hold Kinky-Curly, SheaMoisture, and more! I may want to try something conditioning from SheaMoisture since my hair has lost its shine. I'm a bit wary though because I'm always scared it just sits on my low porosity 2c curls, weighing them down (or overconditioning - either way). I can tell that I've been sticking to the same routine for two years now; I really have to dig into everything again.
    F - LP - HD - L/NE
    Fine, low porosity, high density, low/normal elasticity
    Hairtype 2c

    Low poo: SheaMoisture Fruit Fusion Coconut Water Weightless Shampoo
    Detangler/RO: KCKT with 
    Colorful Neutral Protein Filler
    Styling: KCCC

    Beauty Is Not a Number
  • LauraimesLauraimes Posts: 882Registered Users Curl Novice
    Good news: I think my hair stylist dilemma has been resolved!

    Before:
    IMG_0007_zpsbtltfzqr.jpg

    After (this is the day after, so with my daily styling routine. They asked me to come show so they could see how it turned out):

    after1_zpsz3tlsrub.jpg

    after2_zpsfpv3p3od.jpg

    I am very happy with the results! My curls look happy and healthy again, and it's cut in a really nice and natural way. They had no problems using the products I brought and took great interest in them. They even took a picture of me plopping! My stylist seemed very passionate about curls in general. I will definitely go back and if future cuts are as good as this one, I will have my bridal look done by this stylist as well! :-)
    F - LP - HD - L/NE
    Fine, low porosity, high density, low/normal elasticity
    Hairtype 2c

    Low poo: SheaMoisture Fruit Fusion Coconut Water Weightless Shampoo
    Detangler/RO: KCKT with 
    Colorful Neutral Protein Filler
    Styling: KCCC

    Beauty Is Not a Number
  • StarmieStarmie Posts: 6,956Registered Users Curl Connoisseur
    It looks lovely, glad it all turned out well. Sounds like it was a very positive experience and I love that they took so much interest in your routine and products.
    3b in South Australia.
  • rbbrbb Posts: 4,319Registered Users Curl Connoisseur
    looks great! what a great find!

    3a, some 2c & 3b, medium texture, porosity normal, low elasticity :-(
    washing/cowashing, conditioning, protein tx: curl junkie products
    leave in:curl junkie conditioners and treatments as leave in
    styling: curl junkie 
    sealants - jane carter nourish & shine
  • LauraimesLauraimes Posts: 882Registered Users Curl Novice
    Thanks girls! :D

    And hi Starmie! So good to still see you here, too :)
    F - LP - HD - L/NE
    Fine, low porosity, high density, low/normal elasticity
    Hairtype 2c

    Low poo: SheaMoisture Fruit Fusion Coconut Water Weightless Shampoo
    Detangler/RO: KCKT with 
    Colorful Neutral Protein Filler
    Styling: KCCC

    Beauty Is Not a Number
  • naturecatnaturecat Posts: 1,986Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    Fantastic! Your curls look so alive and bouncy.

    3A/f/i
    Super baby fine hair, low porosity
    Shampoos: SM Fruit Fusion (mostly), Avalon lemon (to clarify). Occasional aloe vera and glycerin to wash.
    Stylers: Intelligent Nutrients Perfect Hold Hairspray
    Treatments: Catnip tea, IA girl's PT, Fermented Rice Water, Catnip Tea, Amla tea, Irish Moss, SS PT
  • bomegabomega Posts: 1,352Registered Users Curl Virtuoso
    Your hair looks great! You should review the salon in the nc.com's salon directory to help other Netherland curlies. :)
    Low-poo: Alaffia Coffee & Shea Revitalizing Shampoo for Fine/Thin Hair (summer), Alaffia Coconut & Shea Hydrating Shampoo
    Clarify: Kinky Curly Come Clean
    Rinse-out: Alaffia Coffee & Shea Revitalizing Conditioner for Fine/Thin Hair (summer), Alaffia Everyday Coconut Ultra Hydrating Conditioner
    DT: Camille Rose Naturals Algae Renew Deep Conditioner
    Leave-in: As I Am Leave-in
    Styler: Lily of the Desert 99% Aloe Vera Gelly
    Treatment: Daily tea spray; Coconut oil overnight treatment; Citric acid rinse for hard water; 2-step Henndigo w/ amla to cover gray

    2C, fine, low porosity, low/medium density, protein sensitive

    Looking for styling products and tools

    iHerb Code KQS149 for 5% off your order
  • StarmieStarmie Posts: 6,956Registered Users Curl Connoisseur
    Lauraimes wrote: »
    Thanks girls! :D

    And hi Starmie! So good to still see you here, too :)
    Ah yes, still hanging around!
    3b in South Australia.

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