Holy Crap! My Hair Has Been Awesome Without Protein

machermacher Posts: 1,031Registered Users Curl Connoisseur
According to my hair analysis it said my hair may benefit from hydrolyzed protein regularly. Now to me 'may benefit' doesn't mean it will benefit. If it said 'will benefit' then different story. Been without protein for a good 2-3 weeks and my hair has been looking the best it's ever been. I've been clarifying once a week with a non protein clarifier and conditioning with GVP Conditioning Balm. For a styler I've been using Deva Frizz Free Volumizing Foam. On 2nd day+ hair I've been spritzing my hair to 50% wet with a mixture of water and GVP Conditioning Balm. Sometimes I need to add GVP Conditioning Balm less diluted to my ends and leave it in.

Basically I'm protein and glycerin free. I'm suprised that my hair doesn't need protein regularly. Maybe cause most of my hair is normal porosity? My ends are definitely high po cause like I said I'll apply less diluted condish to my hair ends.

Why did I think I needed protein on a regular basis? I'm sure I'll need a light protein treatment. But so far my hair has been nice and wavy and most importantly strong. My hair doesn't like the initial shock of clarifying and the 1st dose of conditioner. Seems like my hair starts to settle on the 2nd day. My 'wash' day I'm going to try less diluted GVP Conditioning Balm.

Anyone else find out their hair didn't need protein or as much?

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  • machermacher Posts: 1,031Registered Users Curl Connoisseur
    4th day hair. Refreshed my hair when I got home from work with water and GVP Conditioning Balm mix then squeezed Deva Frizz Free Volumizing Foam in. No protein. The Frizz Free Volumizing Foam has some hold.

    https://imgur.com/gallery/4yk3j
  • bomegabomega Posts: 1,355Registered Users Curl Virtuoso
    Yeah, I found out one winter after buying the Alaffia Shea & Honey Nourishing conditioner which has oat protein in it. I thought it would help but it completely killed my curl. But part of my protein "sensitiveity" is that I color my hair with henna, which behaves like protein on the hair, so protein treatments can overload the hair. I should have known better - before henna, my hair used to love silk protein and I was using Shea Moisture Coconut Hibiscus shampoo and leave-in. Then after I started henna-ing, it made my hair kind of limp.
    Low-poo: Alaffia Coffee & Shea Revitalizing Shampoo for Fine/Thin Hair (summer), Alaffia Coconut & Shea Hydrating Shampoo
    Clarify: Kinky Curly Come Clean
    Rinse-out: Alaffia Coffee & Shea Revitalizing Conditioner for Fine/Thin Hair (summer), Alaffia Everyday Coconut Ultra Hydrating Conditioner
    DT: Camille Rose Naturals Algae Renew Deep Conditioner
    Leave-in: As I Am Leave-in
    Styler: Lily of the Desert 99% Aloe Vera Gelly
    Treatment: Daily tea spray; Coconut oil overnight treatment; Citric acid rinse for hard water; 2-step Henndigo w/ amla to cover gray

    2C, fine, low porosity, low/medium density, protein sensitive

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  • machermacher Posts: 1,031Registered Users Curl Connoisseur
    bomega wrote: »
    Yeah, I found out one winter after buying the Alaffia Shea & Honey Nourishing conditioner which has oat protein in it. I thought it would help but it completely killed my curl. But part of my protein "sensitiveity" is that I color my hair with henna, which behaves like protein on the hair, so protein treatments can overload the hair. I should have known better - before henna, my hair used to love silk protein and I was using Shea Moisture Coconut Hibiscus shampoo and leave-in. Then after I started henna-ing, it made my hair kind of limp.

    What I was experiencing with protein was over conditioned hair. My hair was limp, soft not strong. Felt like over moisturized hair. Therese pointed out to me that protein can result in over conditioned hair from too much protein. I couldn't wrap my head around that cause I thought too much protein made your hair straw like and dried out vs soft limp and no life. If you watch videos or read about protein over load or too much protein it always has people with their hair straw like. Since I stopped using protein my hair is getting WAY better. Damn I thought my hair liked protein, maybe it does but certain kinds. I'm not ready or willing to experiment yet as I'm pretty happy.

    I was using Deva Delight low poo which has wheat protein. I was also using Deva Delight conditioner which also has wheat protein. At one time I was using the poo and conditioner at the same time, then stopped the conditioner and only used the low poo to cleanse. But was still getting limp over conditioned hair. Then I stopped Protein all together and getting good hair. I think cause most of my hair is normal po is the reason.

    This is 5th day hair. All I did was spritz my hair to about 50% wet with a water GVP Conditioning Balm mixture. Then I took some Balm and applied to my ends. Then applied 3 pumps of Deva Frizz Free Volumizing Foam by rope squeezing. Hair still has some nice wave. The Deva Frizz Free Volumizing Foam leaves a bit of a cast as you can see. Overall I'm happy. Curious to see when the humidity hits on a consistent basis if this routine will work. And this is my 5th day hair after being beat up in the rain and wind. I'm still looking for a head covering since I work outside that fits my style.

    https://imgur.com/gallery/b9SPm
  • Therese1Therese1 Posts: 2,563Registered Users Curl Virtuoso
    Macher, this is great! I'm doing a happy dance for you. I'm glad that you've discovered what's going on with your hair. On a selfish note, I will admit that I am also happy that I am not the only one whose hair reacts this way to too much protein. Like you say, everyone talks about hair being brittle and strawlike. But sometimes I think the protein penetrates the hair strand and really holds the moisture in, resulting in overmoisturized hair. My hair is often overly stretchy for a few days after I have used protein on it.

    I hate it that so many hair products contain protein. It is so difficult to find protein-free products!

    What ratio of conditioner to water do you use with the GVP balm?
    Low poo: Intelligent Nutrients (IN) Harmonic; Oribe Cleansing Creme
    RO: IN Harmonic
    LI: CJ Beauticurls; Jessicurl (JC) Gelebration Spray
    DC: JC Deep Conditioning Treatment; Weleda Rosemary Conditioning Oil
    Stylers: JC Confident Coils; IN Volumizing Spray; IN Perfect Hold Hairspray; John Masters Sea Mist; Bumble Bb. Gel; Kenra Firm-Hold Gel; Sevi Blue Yarrow Sea Salt Spray
    Low-porosity 2a/b baby-fine hair
  • Therese1Therese1 Posts: 2,563Registered Users Curl Virtuoso
    Macher, this is great! I'm doing a happy dance for you. I'm glad that you've discovered what's going on with your hair. On a selfish note, I will admit that I am also happy that I am not the only one whose hair reacts this way to too much protein. Like you say, everyone talks about hair being brittle and strawlike. But sometimes I think the protein penetrates the hair strand and really holds the moisture in, resulting in overmoisturized hair. My hair is often overly stretchy for a few days after I have used protein on it.

    I hate it that so many hair products contain protein. It is so difficult to find protein-free products!

    What ratio of conditioner to water do you use with the GVP balm?
    Low poo: Intelligent Nutrients (IN) Harmonic; Oribe Cleansing Creme
    RO: IN Harmonic
    LI: CJ Beauticurls; Jessicurl (JC) Gelebration Spray
    DC: JC Deep Conditioning Treatment; Weleda Rosemary Conditioning Oil
    Stylers: JC Confident Coils; IN Volumizing Spray; IN Perfect Hold Hairspray; John Masters Sea Mist; Bumble Bb. Gel; Kenra Firm-Hold Gel; Sevi Blue Yarrow Sea Salt Spray
    Low-porosity 2a/b baby-fine hair
  • machermacher Posts: 1,031Registered Users Curl Connoisseur
    Therese1 wrote: »
    Macher, this is great! I'm doing a happy dance for you. I'm glad that you've discovered what's going on with your hair. On a selfish note, I will admit that I am also happy that I am not the only one whose hair reacts this way to too much protein. Like you say, everyone talks about hair being brittle and strawlike. But sometimes I think the protein penetrates the hair strand and really holds the moisture in, resulting in overmoisturized hair. My hair is often overly stretchy for a few days after I have used protein on it.

    I hate it that so many hair products contain protein. It is so difficult to find protein-free products!

    What ratio of conditioner to water do you use with the GVP balm?

    Yea it's hard finding protein free products and even harder finding protein and glycerin free products.

    For my refresher mix of water and GVP Conditioning Balm I'm playing with the ratio. Currently I'm using about 1 dime size of GVP Conditioning Balm with the rest water. Not sure how big the spritz bottle is but here's a pic of comparison.

    https://imgur.com/gallery/OeREf

    I might start adding a very little more conditioner. GVP Conditioning Balm from my experience is very hydrating and don't want to overdue it. I clarified and conditioned my hair this morning and when I put the GVP on my palms I made sure I also cupped my hands with water to dilute it. Went through my hair like butter with a a dime size and a half. I didn't squish it in but when I rinsed it out I squished as I was rinsing. Then I took a little GVP rubbed my palms together and applied to my very ends un-diluted. When I say very ends I mean maybe like an 1/8 of an inch or less.
  • machermacher Posts: 1,031Registered Users Curl Connoisseur
    Update: this is 5th day hair. Clarified, conditioned and styled Wednesday. So I guess that's considered a wash day. I like my hair chunky with fluff.

    https://imgur.com/gallery/ziEHh

    I seriously can't believe how good my hair is looking since I stopped using protein. My hair is generally healthy, mostly normal porosity. My hair analysis I mis-interpreted cause I thought it suggested protein regularly which it didn't. It said my hair might benefit from protein regularly. Discovered my hair doesn't benefit from protein thanks to Therese! The fricken protein was over moisturizing my hair.

    What I have been doing different this routine around is I started squishing in GVP Conditioning Balm to my very very ends and after I apply it cup my hands with water and squish and leave whatever in. Since I work outside this has been helping my high po ends. Another thing I've been doing different for refreshing is applying maybe like a 1/4 size amount of Deva Frizz Free Volumizing Foam 3 sections of my hair NOT wet but more on the damp drier side. Gives me a little hold. When I was using the Foam on more wet hair and using more it seemed like I was getting more build up. Now I just use enough to sort of fluff my hair out.
  • Therese1Therese1 Posts: 2,563Registered Users Curl Virtuoso
    Dang, your hair is looking good! And on fifth day...amazing.

    Are you also using less leave-in and stylers on wash day? Or only when you refresh? My hair seems to be so weighed down in the warmer weather that I'm thinking maybe I need to cut back on how much I'm using, although I'm already using a pretty small amount.
    Low poo: Intelligent Nutrients (IN) Harmonic; Oribe Cleansing Creme
    RO: IN Harmonic
    LI: CJ Beauticurls; Jessicurl (JC) Gelebration Spray
    DC: JC Deep Conditioning Treatment; Weleda Rosemary Conditioning Oil
    Stylers: JC Confident Coils; IN Volumizing Spray; IN Perfect Hold Hairspray; John Masters Sea Mist; Bumble Bb. Gel; Kenra Firm-Hold Gel; Sevi Blue Yarrow Sea Salt Spray
    Low-porosity 2a/b baby-fine hair
  • Therese1Therese1 Posts: 2,563Registered Users Curl Virtuoso
    Dang, your hair is looking good! And on fifth day...amazing.

    Are you also using less leave-in and stylers on wash day? Or only when you refresh? My hair seems to be so weighed down in the warmer weather that I'm thinking maybe I need to cut back on how much I'm using, although I'm already using a pretty small amount.
    Low poo: Intelligent Nutrients (IN) Harmonic; Oribe Cleansing Creme
    RO: IN Harmonic
    LI: CJ Beauticurls; Jessicurl (JC) Gelebration Spray
    DC: JC Deep Conditioning Treatment; Weleda Rosemary Conditioning Oil
    Stylers: JC Confident Coils; IN Volumizing Spray; IN Perfect Hold Hairspray; John Masters Sea Mist; Bumble Bb. Gel; Kenra Firm-Hold Gel; Sevi Blue Yarrow Sea Salt Spray
    Low-porosity 2a/b baby-fine hair
  • machermacher Posts: 1,031Registered Users Curl Connoisseur
    Therese1 wrote: »
    Dang, your hair is looking good! And on fifth day...amazing.

    Are you also using less leave-in and stylers on wash day? Or only when you refresh? My hair seems to be so weighed down in the warmer weather that I'm thinking maybe I need to cut back on how much I'm using, although I'm already using a pretty small amount.

    Wash days / 1st day hair my hair always seems to be weighed down but on 2nd day+ hair the weight starts to go away. On next wash day which might be this morning I might try to use less GVP Conditioning Balm as a rinse out and not use GVP as a leave in on my very ends. I might just enough as a rinse out to detangle. Don't know why my hair gets weighed down on wash days. Maybe my hair doesn't like the shock and it takes a day to adjust to it.

    For refreshing I've been using the same mixture of water and GVP Conditioning Balm in a spritz bottle. I really get my hair to about 40% wet then let it air dry. Like I said what I've been doing differently is apply a smaller amount of Deva Frizz Free Volumizing to hair that is very damp NOT wet. Just enough to bring out my waves more and for some very light hold. So I'm using less amount of a styler.
  • Marci PieMarci Pie Posts: 668Registered Users Curl Connoisseur
    I noticed very early on in my curly hair journey that my hair didn't like protein. Especially wheat protein. The major clue for me is when I did an homemade protein treatment with egg and mayonnaise and my hair was literally like straw.


    Now if I see a product with wheat protein I don't even bother.

    3b, Medium-Coarse (slight coarse charactericstics), Normal porosity & Low elasticity per Curl Wizard Profile.
    Low-poo: Nourish Shampoo, Cantu Quinoa Shampoo for Color-Treated Hair, Decadence No Poo
    Co-wash: Nourish Conditioner, Suave, Aussie Moist, Clairol Natural Blends Coconut
    Deep Conditioner: Loreal Total Repair Balm, Cantu Masque
    Leave-in: Nourish Conditioner (Trader Joe's), Decadence Conditioner
    Stylers: LA Looks Sports, Homemade Flax Seed Gel, Devacurl Ultradefining Gel, Coconut Oil
    Methods: Sleep with extra large satin bonnet. Able to get 7 day hair. Prior to getting 7 day:Wet plop or pineapple at night, diffuse in the morning. Scrunch w/joboba, coconut or almond oil.
  • Therese1Therese1 Posts: 2,563Registered Users Curl Virtuoso
    Marci Pie, don't even get me started on wheat protein! It seems like it's in everything. It makes my hair straight. And since I'm only 2a/2b, I can't afford that. If I use a product with wheat protein, I generally end up flat ironing my hair, because it's half straight already.
    Low poo: Intelligent Nutrients (IN) Harmonic; Oribe Cleansing Creme
    RO: IN Harmonic
    LI: CJ Beauticurls; Jessicurl (JC) Gelebration Spray
    DC: JC Deep Conditioning Treatment; Weleda Rosemary Conditioning Oil
    Stylers: JC Confident Coils; IN Volumizing Spray; IN Perfect Hold Hairspray; John Masters Sea Mist; Bumble Bb. Gel; Kenra Firm-Hold Gel; Sevi Blue Yarrow Sea Salt Spray
    Low-porosity 2a/b baby-fine hair
  • StephC79StephC79 Posts: 99Registered Users Curl Connoisseur
    Oh my goodness yes, my hair hated wheat protein. It makes it so dry and frizzy but unfortunately is in so many products that are specifically for curly hair. I also just won't even try a product containing it.
    3A with tight ringlet underlayer.
    Mixed porosity, medium texture and density.

    Cleaner - Shea Moisture fruit fusion shampoo, Maui Moisture curl quench shampoo, cleansing conditioner.
    Conditioner - L'Oreal Botanicals safflower conditioner.
    P/T - Curl Junkie repair me
    D/T - Shea Moisture manuka honey or fruit fusion mask
    Styling - Paul Mitchell round trip, Paul Mitchell super sculpt glaze, Paul Mitchell sculpting foam.
  • machermacher Posts: 1,031Registered Users Curl Connoisseur
    Therese1 wrote: »
    Marci Pie, don't even get me started on wheat protein! It seems like it's in everything. It makes my hair straight. And since I'm only 2a/2b, I can't afford that. If I use a product with wheat protein, I generally end up flat ironing my hair, because it's half straight already.

    Therese this is 6th day hair with no styler. I've decided not to use any styler. Just spritzing my hair with the water / GVP Conditioning Balm mixture and adding GVP to my VERY ends.

    Seems like there's a lot of hydrolyzed rice protein in a lot of products which I know from experience isn't good for my hair. I'm sticking with GVP Conditioning Balm since it doesn't have any protein. It's like one of the few conditioners that doesn't have protein and glycerin. For me I have to dilute it cause it's pretty hydrating and don't want to over hydrate my hair. My hair has taken a complete turnaround since going protein free but I'm sure sometime down the road I'll need a shot of protein.

    I think what's helping my hair with my current routine is the weather. That's why I haven't been using a styler in the last couple of days. Seems like if my hair has the right hydration it works good with the current weather being higher dew points. That's why I pretty much condition my VERY ends really good. So I'm hoping my current routine is a good spring / summer / early fall routine. My hair is defiantly strong and my waves are strong without protein. Also with no glycerin it seems better. The Deva Frizz Free Volumizing Foam has polyquats at the top and if I'm not careful I see it causes build up. So I'm in the market maybe for a protein and glycerin free something that's would have similar results as the foam, doesn't have to be a foam though. Or maybe my hair will do well without a styler in this weather as long as it's hydrated. Don't know. Thanks again!
  • machermacher Posts: 1,031Registered Users Curl Connoisseur
    Therese1 wrote: »
    Marci Pie, don't even get me started on wheat protein! It seems like it's in everything. It makes my hair straight. And since I'm only 2a/2b, I can't afford that. If I use a product with wheat protein, I generally end up flat ironing my hair, because it's half straight already.

    Therese this is 6th day hair with no styler. I've decided not to use any styler. Just spritzing my hair with the water / GVP Conditioning Balm mixture and adding GVP to my VERY ends.

    https://imgur.com/gallery/zTkyL

    Seems like there's a lot of hydrolyzed rice protein in a lot of products which I know from experience isn't good for my hair. I'm sticking with GVP Conditioning Balm since it doesn't have any protein. It's like one of the few conditioners that doesn't have protein and glycerin. For me I have to dilute it cause it's pretty hydrating and don't want to over hydrate my hair. My hair has taken a complete turnaround since going protein free but I'm sure sometime down the road I'll need a shot of protein.

    I think what's helping my hair with my current routine is the weather. That's why I haven't been using a styler in the last couple of days. Seems like if my hair has the right hydration it works good with the current weather being higher dew points. That's why I pretty much condition my VERY ends really good. So I'm hoping my current routine is a good spring / summer / early fall routine. My hair is defiantly strong and my waves are strong without protein. Also with no glycerin it seems better. The Deva Frizz Free Volumizing Foam has polyquats at the top and if I'm not careful I see it causes build up. So I'm in the market maybe for a protein and glycerin free something that's would have similar results as the foam, doesn't have to be a foam though. Or maybe my hair will do well without a styler in this weather as long as it's hydrated. Don't know. Thanks again!
  • machermacher Posts: 1,031Registered Users Curl Connoisseur
    How long can I go? 8th day hair...

    My hair has been feeling very healthy since I stopped using protein. I was going to cleanse my hair yesterday but decided not to cause I haven't found a gentle poo yet. Woke up this morning checked out my and it still felt healthy but after sleeping on a cotton pillow as usual it was fluffy. Since it felt healthy and I don't have a gentle poo yet I decided to refresh with my water / GVP Conditioning Balm mixture. This time I added a little more GVP to the water. Spritzed my hair to about 30 - 40% wet. Then S2C some semi cut GVP to my very ends. Result? Amazing. How long can I go without a cleansing?

    https://imgur.com/gallery/8cG5u

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