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  • mrzrapp2015mrzrapp2015 Posts: 122Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    I AGREE I think the whole argument was a misunderstanding cause I don't believe you ever had a problem with the show...i don't think she was talking about you...but I could be wrong...i just want us curlies to all get along...seems we do mostly. 😊😊😊 April 28th the season starts I thing...maybe march...let me look

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  • Curlista93Curlista93 Posts: 410Registered Users Curl Novice
    Curlista93 wrote: »
    I think this trend needs to be addressed. It's always been annoying to me when one side accuses the other of being "special snowflakes" and then turns around and does the exact same thing.

    Again, I'd love to see a review thread here for the show. Just remember, however, that all we got was accusations about illusive, unnamed people "somewhere on the internet" that didn't like the idea of the show. Do we know who they are? No. Do we know which "side" they're on? No; it's assumed that we do but we don't even know who these people are or what they may have said about the show. We don't know if they're the same people calling other people "snowflakes" or not. We also don't know if they are the same people using the word "triggered". All we got was unsubstantiated rumors from "somewhere on the Internet" but not here. We know absolutely nothing because all we got was a "report" about some illusive, unnamed, anonymous people "somewhere on the internet" that didn't like the show. I am on the "other side" of most of the posters on this forum but *I* think it would be great to see reviews of the show and I believe that it's silly to judge a show by its title. I also believe it's silly to get "ruffled" because of a TV series. There are plenty of other things to watch even if you may think a particular show is "racist" which is likely the issue if there actually are people who do not like the idea of the show.

    I also don't see why it's necessary to bring up illusive, unnamed people "somewhere on the internet" to get hot and bothered about if those people aren't posting here. There are plenty of negative things to get stirred up about from the dark underbelly of the internet, but does that mean we should bring that all up here? Why would we when people here would like to see the show and see what other people think about the show?? People right here on this thread were complaining about "negativity"; why would any of them be okay with dredged up negativity from "somewhere on the internet" that didn't take place here?? Does this make sense to anybody?? You don't like my posts because you allegedly don't like "negativity" but you're okay with this sort of thing?? Really??
    You're right. We don't know what side these unnamed people are on. I wasn't speaking about you or anyone in particular, I was speaking in general. I have witnessed people overuse the word "trigger" while then turing around and getting triggered themselves when the tables are turned on similar issues. It happens.


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  • Curlista93Curlista93 Posts: 410Registered Users Curl Novice
    Curlista93 wrote: »

    LOL GIRL MY SENTIMENTS EXACTLY....We play the"race card" when little 12 year old black boys get shot at the park by the police. We get called snowflakes and the people who bring attention to it get called race baiters...Then a COMEDY comes out about white people and shines a not so positive light on not so positive things SOME of them do and BAM!!! They throwing that same race card they HATE so much up in the mix...and after they spoke so much about not being politically correct anymore...i mean the film won all sorts of awards where was the anger then???...it was hilarious and alot of it is true..atleast they bring attention to it in a comical manner...Love to see what they would say if the main actress was a dark skinned sista with a big ass Anglea Davis fro!! I Plan on watching...we should do a REVIEW ON HERE FOR THOSE WHO WANT TO WATCH AND TALK ABOUT WHAT WE THINK!!!
    I think this trend needs to be addressed. It's always been annoying to me when one side accuses the other of being "special snowflakes" and then turns around and does the exact same thing.

    Could not agree more. People using this phrase are the same sort of people who like to use the word 'triggered' satirically every five seconds.
    I think there are instances where it seems some individuals are too often offended by petty things. The problem with that occurs when they believe we should avoid speaking about certain issues.

    However, many of these people who overuse the words "triggered" and "special snowflakes" also tend to avoid speaking on certain issues. I'm going to throw a couple out there to avoid being vague: race, gender, and sexual orientation (among others). It's so easy to dismiss legitimate issues when you are making people out to be "weak" and "whiny." To me it's a cop out and a cowardly way to defend an argument.


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  • AngelaE9999AngelaE9999 Posts: 132Registered Users Curl Novice
    I AGREE I think the whole argument was a misunderstanding cause I don't believe you ever had a problem with the show...i don't think she was talking about you...but I could be wrong...i just want us curlies to all get along...seems we do mostly. 😊😊😊 April 28th the season starts I thing...maybe march...let me look

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    I agree. We curlies should get along. As with most people, there are more things about us that are the same than the things that might divide us. I think it's good focus on those sorts of things. And no, I never had a problem with the show. I have heard that the movie by the same name was funny and got its points across using humor and I am 100% in favor of that. I love the idea of using humor to get points across. It's not always appropriate but it can and does work well many times and the humor keeps it from becoming a "gotcha" sort of thing. Another point about humor is that if humor is involved and the movie or show uses it to entertain, then the appropriate people will likely tune in. If there was a show meant to get a "message across" to a particular group of people but it was completely serious AND it appears that it is going to bring about negative emotions in the projected audience, then the projected audience would never tune in and the only people watching it are the people who want to give the message. See what I'm saying? For instance, lets say Dear White People had some really good points that African Americans want white people to know but a show was made that was serious and "preachy". Would white people tune into the show in large numbers? Probably not. But humor and entertainment while still putting forth a valuable lesson; that is what is going to snare the correct audience. I applaud that. I truly do. Again, I'd love to see reviews on what you all think about the show.
  • AngelaE9999AngelaE9999 Posts: 132Registered Users Curl Novice
    Curlista93 wrote: »
    I think there are instances where it seems some individuals are too often offended by petty things. The problem with that occurs when they believe we should avoid speaking about certain issues.

    However, many of these people who overuse the words "triggered" and "special snowflakes" also tend to avoid speaking on certain issues. I'm going to throw a couple out there to avoid being vague: race, gender, and sexual orientation (among others). It's so easy to dismiss legitimate issues when you are making people out to be "weak" and "whiny." To me it's a cop out and a cowardly way to defend an argument.


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    A lot of this started on college campuses. I have never actually heard "special snowflake"; it's usually just "snowflake" and started out as a response to Left-Leaning people in Academia attempting to shut down all speech that they disagree with, along with requiring "safe spaces" and coloring books and puppies (remember these are college campuses) so they get over being upset about the Election. That's where most of this came from: the use of the terms "snowflake" and "triggered" and such. You may have noticed in recent weeks that there was actual violence on college campuses because staff and students didn't like the idea of a Conservative speaker being invited to speak. And yes, staff was involved in the violent melee, too. There was even a woman who was a Middle School teacher, Yvette Felarca, who engaged in an unprovoked assault on a Conservative man in an attempt to shut down his rights to free speech at the same time. (This same teacher has been in trouble in the past for violence against people she disagrees with. Here she is seen stabbing someone.) So while we as adults look at the namecalling and insults as childish, there is a real and serious attempt to shut down free speech on College campuses and it's not usually the free speech of Liberals. It's usually Conservative speech that is under attack and that is where most of this stuff we're talking about here and now came from.

    A "commenter" on the first news article I linked to had some good things to say about what's happening on college campuses now:
    I think much of the main problem with the modern left, that they can't see, is that they never seem to be able to point to who is the moderator that determines what is "racist", "sexist" "homophobic" and the broadest of all, what is "hate". They can never seem to give an explanation for those diluted buzzwords, and that is exactly what the left has done to them, diluted them. They don't understand that that is what is so dangerous about their ideology, it is specifically designed to eat itself, because what counts as those offenses is entirely subjective, and ripe for emotional manipulation and blackmail. It preys on peoples good intentions. "Why are you for inciting hate?" they say, and the reasonable retort has to be long and well explained. Meanwhile they're screaming at you "no more hate, no more hate!"
    I would add the term "fascist" to this. Nowadays, everybody's a "fascist" but if you ask people to define what that means, either they can't define the word at all, or their definition of what that means is so far off from the views of the person they're accusing of being a "fascist" it makes one wonder what in the world the person could be thinking. Kind of like how every politician one doesn't agree with nowadays is "Hitler". I would add that Conservatives don't like neo-nazis types any better than Liberals do but free speech is free speech. I believe the best recourse against these types of people is to give them zero attention. No articles written. Nobody showing up to "protest" or attack them. Nothing. If they can't get anyone stirred up, they'll likely just go away on their own. Those types of people are "fringe" groups of people which are usually extremely small and don't have any influence on anyone, Liberal or Conservative.

    Once again, I don't see any harm in a television series that addresses issues people want to get "out there" and I especially don't see a problem with it if it's done well. In any case, this again goes back to "freedom". People who want to create such a show are free to create it and those who want to watch it can while those who don't are not required to tune in. To quote Vice President Pence: "This is what freedom sounds like".
  • Curlista93Curlista93 Posts: 410Registered Users Curl Novice
    Curlista93 wrote: »
    I think there are instances where it seems some individuals are too often offended by petty things. The problem with that occurs when they believe we should avoid speaking about certain issues.

    However, many of these people who overuse the words "triggered" and "special snowflakes" also tend to avoid speaking on certain issues. I'm going to throw a couple out there to avoid being vague: race, gender, and sexual orientation (among others). It's so easy to dismiss legitimate issues when you are making people out to be "weak" and "whiny." To me it's a cop out and a cowardly way to defend an argument.


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    A lot of this started on college campuses. I have never actually heard "special snowflake"; it's usually just "snowflake" and started out as a response to Left-Leaning people in Academia attempting to shut down all speech that they disagree with, along with requiring "safe spaces" and coloring books and puppies (remember these are college campuses) so they get over being upset about the Election. That's where most of this came from: the use of the terms "snowflake" and "triggered" and such. You may have noticed in recent weeks that there was actual violence on college campuses because staff and students didn't like the idea of a Conservative speaker being invited to speak. And yes, staff was involved in the violent melee, too. There was even a woman who was a Middle School teacher, Yvette Felarca, who engaged in an unprovoked assault on a Conservative man in an attempt to shut down his rights to free speech at the same time. (This same teacher has been in trouble in the past for violence against people she disagrees with. Here she is seen stabbing someone.) So while we as adults look at the namecalling and insults as childish, there is a real and serious attempt to shut down free speech on College campuses and it's not usually the free speech of Liberals. It's usually Conservative speech that is under attack and that is where most of this stuff we're talking about here and now came from.

    A "commenter" on the first news article I linked to had some good things to say about what's happening on college campuses now:
    I think much of the main problem with the modern left, that they can't see, is that they never seem to be able to point to who is the moderator that determines what is "racist", "sexist" "homophobic" and the broadest of all, what is "hate". They can never seem to give an explanation for those diluted buzzwords, and that is exactly what the left has done to them, diluted them. They don't understand that that is what is so dangerous about their ideology, it is specifically designed to eat itself, because what counts as those offenses is entirely subjective, and ripe for emotional manipulation and blackmail. It preys on peoples good intentions. "Why are you for inciting hate?" they say, and the reasonable retort has to be long and well explained. Meanwhile they're screaming at you "no more hate, no more hate!"
    I would add the term "fascist" to this. Nowadays, everybody's a "fascist" but if you ask people to define what that means, either they can't define the word at all, or their definition of what that means is so far off from the views of the person they're accusing of being a "fascist" it makes one wonder what in the world the person could be thinking. Kind of like how every politician one doesn't agree with nowadays is "Hitler". I would add that Conservatives don't like neo-nazis types any better than Liberals do but free speech is free speech. I believe the best recourse against these types of people is to give them zero attention. No articles written. Nobody showing up to "protest" or attack them. Nothing. If they can't get anyone stirred up, they'll likely just go away on their own. Those types of people are "fringe" groups of people which are usually extremely small and don't have any influence on anyone, Liberal or Conservative.

    Once again, I don't see any harm in a television series that addresses issues people want to get "out there" and I especially don't see a problem with it if it's done well. In any case, this again goes back to "freedom". People who want to create such a show are free to create it and those who want to watch it can while those who don't are not required to tune in. To quote Vice President Pence: "This is what freedom sounds like".
    Yes, I'm aware of the Milo situation. That's why in my initial comment I did not state, specifically, whether it was liberals or conservatives calling the other side "snowflakes." Both sides do it. Here is a video of Bill Maher speaking on liberals and "political correctness." https://youtu.be/0B1UL0FxYj0

    I don't necessarily agree with everything in the video. I just thought you'd be interested.

    Also, I don't have Netflix.
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  • AngelaE9999AngelaE9999 Posts: 132Registered Users Curl Novice
    Thank you. I don't agree with everything other Conservatives do either, including Milo. I don't see the benefit of calling people names. Yes, we can say people are "Liberal" or "Conservative" in their viewpoints but that "snowflake" stuff isn't beneficial at all, IMO.

    I'll take a look at the Bill Maher video. As a Conservative, Bill Maher isn't one of my favorite people but Matt Maher sure is. :)
  • AngelaE9999AngelaE9999 Posts: 132Registered Users Curl Novice
    I wanted to add something to my post above. The video in which YVETTE FELARCA starts a stabbing brawl begins with a neo nazi punk waving a flag and saying stuff. (I didn't realize it was the same situation/day as when she punched the kid and pushed him but it is. Same guy, same day. And he's not a Conservative. He's a neo nazi idiot.) He's by himself and at first it appears no one is paying him one bit of attention. Had it stayed that way, I imagine he would have eventually taken his flag and gone home. That's my point; we are all allowed free speech because of the First Amendment. Some people's "free speech" is going to be stuff we disagree with; sometimes it will be stuff that most of us disagree with. I can safely say that both Liberals and Conservatives do not like neo nazis and don't agree with their viewpoints. I don't see the benefit to getting into a brawl over some idiot. Let him say his piece, ignore him, and move on. The majority of Americans are decent people and do not espouse such viewpoints. Neo nazis and the like are "fringe" groups and are very small in number compared to the population as a whole.

    P.S. One thing that is upsetting to Conservatives is that people like this woman who assaults folks she disagrees with gets to keep her job and many Liberals seem to love her. Had that been a Conservative doing those things, he or she would have lost their job as Liberals would have demanded they be gone. How is that right or fair??
  • susancnwsusancnw Posts: 1,374Registered Users Curl Novice
    Agreed. I recently had to actually stop talking to a friend of mine, well, acquaintance, because he was talking like this. It's a way of communicating that I can't handle. There's no talking back and forth, it's just one sided arguing. And you can't get any points across because they're incapable of actually listening.
    It really is getting frustrating to see these rantings popping up on here.

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    What am I supposed to "listen" to? I'm Pro Life. This was said about Pro Life people:
    And if you're prolife, you would care about foster children and stop moving them around so much and leaving them unsupervised or with people who don't get paid enough to care for them.

    You don't see a bit of a problem with someone accusing me of the abuse of foster children when I have absolutely zero control over them? Really?? So it would be okay to hold you accountable for every homeless child in the United States, maybe? How would you feel if you were accused of something like this?? I'm just supposed to "let this go" even though it's terribly unfair to accuse me of such a thing?
    Angela I'm with you. We are supposed to listen to Democrats parroting talking points, we are supposed to understand what we are told. We are to be silent and accept the admonishment, the hatred and the violence. And before anyone starts attacking me, yes, they are mobs, there is violence going on, professors hitting conservatives with BIKE LOCKS (and not his first time), a pro-life advocate was roundhouse kicked by a leftist in Canada. The pro-life group was on the corner with signs, not engaging anyone. He came in swearing, taking signs & then kicked this woman.

    Thought Gorsuch was a great nominee. Not liking Kavanaugh as much, as I am concerned about his positions on the 4th Amendment and a few others. I also feel that Ford was assaulted at some point in her life. Some mental health professionals have speculated that her childish voice could have been indicative of the assault when she was a child. I don't doubt that she was assaulted, but it wasn't Kavanaugh. And honestly...30 yrs later? Hillary says that Bill's situation was different. They were. Bill's accusers didn't  wait years to report it. There were witnesses, there were injuries, photos. Keith Ellison, anyone? There are 911 calls, videos, witnesses and photos. But so far, none of the Democrats have denounced him. And he is running for the highest law enforcement officer in the state. And the state refuses to investigate.
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    Thank you for your thoughtful comments, @susancnw

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