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hmkennyhmkenny Posts: 1,409Registered Users
CNN is on all day in the break room at my job. They are discussing Trump's Supreme Court Nominee. This administration seems to be all about taking away civil rights and oppressing the masses. The other night I did a little reading on fascism. This is classic fascism and it has me so upset that I have a very difficult time stepping back from it and not thinking about it. I expect the only way to end this is with violence.

I am Catholic and I am also very upset with my church, to the point that I am considering leaving it, which hurts. This pro life issue is purely political, IMO, and it's about oppressing women. There are far better means for reducing the number of abortions then prohibiting it. In fact, I read recently that countries in which abortions are illegal actually have a higher rate of abortions. Next, I am convinced that the Church will go after the gay community. I fail to see how oppressing civil rights is Christian. I can understand their refusing to marry them in the Catholic Church, but what's it to them if gay couples have the legal right to a civil union? Seems to me it is evil to try and take that away. And they incorporate both of these issues in their homilies each week. It's very disturbing.

So many other issues with this administration; this is just the tip of the iceberg. I quit Facebook to get away from all this but I can't stop thinking about it.
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  • hmkennyhmkenny Posts: 1,409Registered Users
    My desk is situated right outside the breakroom and I go in there for coffee, water, etc. throughout the day. Office services controls the channels.
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  • multicultcurlymulticultcurly Posts: 5,132Registered Users
    I am so sorry. This election result scares me too, but thankfully, I can turn it off if I need to. I have actually had to restrict how much news I listen to.

    That sucks about your church. I agree with you that trying to restrict people's rights isn't Christian.

    To be as positive as I can, I have begun donating money to organizations that can uphold rights and calling my representatives and senators. I am also planning on volunteering to help with voter registration and getting people to the polls.

    Thankfully, I don't know too many atrocious people, even though one of my coworkers admires Trump and Putin, we have respectful conversations about politics.

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  • AngelaE9999AngelaE9999 Posts: 130Registered Users
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    CNN is on all day in the break room at my job. They are discussing Trump's Supreme Court Nominee. This administration seems to be all about taking away civil rights and oppressing the masses. The other night I did a little reading on fascism. This is classic fascism and it has me so upset that I have a very difficult time stepping back from it and not thinking about it. I expect the only way to end this is with violence.

    I am Catholic and I am also very upset with my church, to the point that I am considering leaving it, which hurts. This pro life issue is purely political, IMO, and it's about oppressing women. There are far better means for reducing the number of abortions then prohibiting it. In fact, I read recently that countries in which abortions are illegal actually have a higher rate of abortions. Next, I am convinced that the Church will go after the gay community. I fail to see how oppressing civil rights is Christian. I can understand their refusing to marry them in the Catholic Church, but what's it to them if gay couples have the legal right to a civil union? Seems to me it is evil to try and take that away. And they incorporate both of these issues in their homilies each week. It's very disturbing.

    So many other issues with this administration; this is just the tip of the iceberg. I quit Facebook to get away from all this but I can't stop thinking about it.

    Really? Since when are Crimes Against Humanity about oppressing women? So Pro Jewish was about oppressing N@zis in WWII Germany? Because that makes about as much sense as your statement makes. Women need to make their choices before another life is created. We've got the best Education and the best contraception ever created. We are not living in the Middle Ages; we need to stop acting like we are.

    P.S. Nobody cares what two or more adults are doing in private. They're adults; this is a free country. If they want to be gay and do whatever they have every right to do so. It's when innocents are harmed that I speak up. Pre-born babies can have their rights and even their lives snuffed out at the whim of someone else. That is a problem. But I don't particularly care what gay or straight or poly or anything else people are doing or who they are doing it with. Like everyone, I have my ideas about what is moral and what is not but if it's people who are adults doing something...whatever it is...more power to 'em. I couldn't care less.

    And I love Trump's Supreme Court pick. I couldn't be happier.
  • multicultcurlymulticultcurly Posts: 5,132Registered Users
    The Republicans acted like spoiled brats when they refused to give Merrick Garland a hearing. Too bad Americans as a whole didn't vote them out of office. However, I do think that Gorsach should receive fair treatment and get a hearing. He seems to be qualified and even-tempered. Democrats should remember Michelle Obama's "when they go low, we go high."

    Our education system is only good if you live in an area of the country that has enough property taxes to supply books, a functional administration, and safety. Even then, we teach to tests and don't teach to learn. There's a reason why so many STEM jobs are filled by foreigners and even manufacturing jobs like welding and machining, require higher levels of math, science, and reading comprehension than many American schools teach.

    I briefly went to an inner city school in St. Louis where there weren't books and teachers didn't teach. This is common. Much of the staff doesn't care. In rural areas, they can't get enough teachers, and again, the focus is on testing and not viable career paths.

    America's education system has been one of the worse among industrialized nations for decades. It's our colleges and universities that are above average.

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  • multicultcurlymulticultcurly Posts: 5,132Registered Users
    As for women's rights, there is inequality. Women do get paid less for doing the same job as men and are often penalized for having biological children and needing flexibility. This may change because more men are also requesting flexibility to care for children.

    Abortion should always be a rarely used option. Supporting access to contraception and explaining to young people how to properly use contraception and what happens to lead to a pregnancy from a scientific perspective goes a long way in greatly reducing unplanned pregnancies. Abstinence only education does nothing but leads to uninformed people having unprotected sex, which leads to unplanned pregnancies and tge spread of STDs.

    Also, the anti-abortion movement isn't prolife IMO. They care about babies as long as they're in the womb. If you're for women who can't financially or emotionally care for these kids, then you're going to have to support government-funded programs that provide parenting classes, sliding fee scale child care, housing assistance.

    You would also not have a problem with single women and gay couples adopting American foster children or people adopting American foster care children who aren't of the same race or ethnicity. And if you're prolife, you would care about foster children and stop moving them around so much and leaving them unsupervised or with people who don't get paid enough to care for them.

    The issue is bigger than abortion. If the issues of sex education, access to contraception, and providing care for these children who were not aborted were cared for, then abortion wouldn't be necessary.

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  • curlyannie80curlyannie80 Posts: 333Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    Multicultcurly yesss I agree 1000% with everything you just said

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  • AngelaE9999AngelaE9999 Posts: 130Registered Users
    Repeating Liberal Talking Points like a parrot simply makes you look like you cannot think for yourself. The idea that Pro Life people "don't care about babies once they're born" is absolute bunk. Most of us do whatever we can to help needy children. My sister, who has always been Pro Life, worked while going to school for years and years and years and got a Master's Degree in Social Work. Now, she is a Social Worker for Child Protective Service and works with children who are abused and/or neglected every, single day. Although she cannot talk about any of her cases with anyone outside of her work as they are all confidential, one thing we do know is that the children she works with every day often are picked up wearing rags. My family and close friends have provided clothing and shoes for these children. We give quite a bit of money to charities that help needy children as well.

    Someone on the Left made up the idea that Pro Lifers don't care about children and you all keep repeating it like parrots. Surely, that can't make you feel smart.

    No appointee to the Supreme Court in the last year of a "Lame Duck President" has been confirmed for the last eighty years. That just isn't done in year eight of a Lame Duck and Democrat Harry Reid wanted to throw a monkey wrench into all of the appointees of George W. Bush. That's a spoiled brat, if you want to see one. In actuality, both sides in Congress "Playing Politics" look foolish. Neither side looks smart or mature when they're playing those stupid games. Also, look at the activities coming from the Left. Protesting is fine. Burning things and smashing things and beating people up is not. That isn't the Right doing that, folks. It's the Left. Not only is it the Left, but it's the staff at the colleges in question participating in the "beatdowns". Shameful.

    UC Berkeley Thug Who Beat Conservative and Bragged About It Online – Is University Staff Member!


    P.S. I don't have a problem with single women or gay couples adopting children. These homes are often more nurturing and loving than anything these children have experienced up to that point. What's the issue? Again, stop assigning made-up problems to people you don't even know.
  • multicultcurlymulticultcurly Posts: 5,132Registered Users
    I am telling you MY views. If you can't understand that, then we can't discuss anything.

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  • AngelaE9999AngelaE9999 Posts: 130Registered Users
    I am telling you MY views. If you can't understand that, then we can't discuss anything.

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    Ummmmm....no, you said this:
    Also, the anti-abortion movement isn't prolife IMO. They care about babies as long as they're in the womb. If you're for women who can't financially or emotionally care for these kids, then you're going to have to support government-funded programs that provide parenting classes, sliding fee scale child care, housing assistance.

    You would also not have a problem with single women and gay couples adopting American foster children or people adopting American foster care children who aren't of the same race or ethnicity. And if you're prolife, you would care about foster children and stop moving them around so much and leaving them unsupervised or with people who don't get paid enough to care for them.



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    And that is what I was responding to. Again, stop manufacturing "outrage".
  • multicultcurlymulticultcurly Posts: 5,132Registered Users
    Since you seem incapable of discussing, I'll no longer respond to you.

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  • AngelaE9999AngelaE9999 Posts: 130Registered Users
    Since you seem incapable of discussing, I'll no longer respond to you.

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    Once again, you said the things I was responding to before I said anything. You bear the full responsibility for parroting DNC "talking points" that you have no clue are true or not.
  • AngelaE9999AngelaE9999 Posts: 130Registered Users
    And if you're prolife, you would care about foster children and stop moving them around so much and leaving them unsupervised or with people who don't get paid enough to care for them.

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    Just a quick P.S. that I forgot to add yesterday. Prolife people, unless they are Social Workers for the State (like my sister) have absolutely nothing to do with the placement of foster children.
    stop moving them around so much and leaving them unsupervised or with people who don't get paid enough to care for them.
    So now all of a sudden, lay people get to make decisions about the placement and the care of foster children in your mind?? Really?? Who thinks this way?? The State makes all decisions about the placement and the care of foster children, not lay people who happen to be Prolife. If you have any issues with how foster children are placed or cared for, talk to the State in question, not prolife people.
  • claudine191claudine191 Posts: 8,220Registered Users
    Angela, your decision to return just to argue is.......childish. What are you hoping to accomplish? This is a largely Democratic site. No one is going to be persuaded by either your petty glee or harping on alleged inaccuracies.

    It would be best if you found another venue to troll.
  • curlyannie80curlyannie80 Posts: 333Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    Agreed. I recently had to actually stop talking to a friend of mine, well, acquaintance, because he was talking like this. It's a way of communicating that I can't handle. There's no talking back and forth, it's just one sided arguing. And you can't get any points across because they're incapable of actually listening.
    It really is getting frustrating to see these rantings popping up on here.

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  • AngelaE9999AngelaE9999 Posts: 130Registered Users
    Angela, your decision to return just to argue is.......childish. What are you hoping to accomplish? This is a largely Democratic site. No one is going to be persuaded by either your petty glee or harping on alleged inaccuracies.

    It would be best if you found another venue to troll.

    Childish? You don't see anything wrong with Liberals accusing Pro Life people of "moving foster children around too much" and "leaving them unsupervised or with people who don't get paid enough to care for them". What if that was you who was accused of those things? How would that make you feel, if you didn't have any control whatsoever over the care or placement of foster children? The State has complete control over the placement and the care of foster children. Pro Life people, unless they work for the state, have absolutely nothing to do with it and no control over how foster children are placed or cared for.

    And who says this is a Democrat site? How is that fair? Isn't this supposed to be a forum for people with curly hair? So all of a sudden, you have decided that Conservative people aren't welcome here? Really?? How is that right or fair? You don't see any problem with this at all??? Aren't these forums "open" to the public? There isn't anything on these forums that says that Conservative people cannot post here.

    The definition of "Trolling" is:

    make a deliberately offensive or provocative online post with the aim of upsetting someone or eliciting an angry response from them

    Considering that I was answering posts that were already here, you can see that my posts do not fit the definition of "trolling". You are calling me a troll simply because you disagree with me. So if I disagree with you, does that make you a troll? Why not??
  • AngelaE9999AngelaE9999 Posts: 130Registered Users
    Agreed. I recently had to actually stop talking to a friend of mine, well, acquaintance, because he was talking like this. It's a way of communicating that I can't handle. There's no talking back and forth, it's just one sided arguing. And you can't get any points across because they're incapable of actually listening.
    It really is getting frustrating to see these rantings popping up on here.

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    What am I supposed to "listen" to? I'm Pro Life. This was said about Pro Life people:
    And if you're prolife, you would care about foster children and stop moving them around so much and leaving them unsupervised or with people who don't get paid enough to care for them.

    You don't see a bit of a problem with someone accusing me of the abuse of foster children when I have absolutely zero control over them? Really?? So it would be okay to hold you accountable for every homeless child in the United States, maybe? How would you feel if you were accused of something like this?? I'm just supposed to "let this go" even though it's terribly unfair to accuse me of such a thing?
  • BotticelliBritBotticelliBrit Posts: 2,075Registered Users
    Unfortunately, it's a habit with this member, who disappeared for a while after similar complaints.

    I think most people have made full use of the 'ignore list' feature concerning this user (I know I have), and I'd advise others to do the same. No matter how hungry trolls get, we shouldn't feed them. It only results in them coming back for more.

    To answer the OP though: yes. An overwhelming number of people are as upset as you are, and I feel truly saddened for everyone living in America right now who is experiencing such a culture of hatred from this man and his administration. He is driven by money and has no sense of empathy or, it seems, humanity.

    The guy's a dick. Everyone he puts in power is a dick (and a lot lack experience). I mean, he gave Bannon a position of power and proceeded to try and ban Muslims under the guise of preventing terrorism, quoting San Bernardino and the 911 acts as an example of why this was needed. Yet in SB one terrorist was US born and the other was from Pakistan. In 911 the hijackers were from Eygpt, Saudi Arabia, Pakistan and the UAE. And yet none of these countries were on the list to be banned.

    He's still going on about voter fraud and millions of illegal votes as to the reason he lost the popular vote, talking about how dead people were being used to vote or some nonsense. I mean, he's clearly a moron.

    Let's just hope the will of the people and the continued protests and general aversion America as a whole seems to have, and most people outside of America seem to have (except Russia, of course), limits how much damage he can do. Or, at the very least, prevents his behaviour and the behaviour of those around him, being normalised.
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  • multicultcurlymulticultcurly Posts: 5,132Registered Users
    Botticelli, I couldn't find the ignore feature. Otherwise, I would use it. As of now, I am ignoring the old-fashioned way.

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  • AngelaE9999AngelaE9999 Posts: 130Registered Users
    Let's just hope the will of the people and the continued protests and general aversion America as a whole seems to have, and most people outside of America seem to have (except Russia, of course), limits how much damage he can do. Or, at the very least, prevents his behaviour and the behaviour of those around him, being normalised.

    It's actually very sick to believe that this sort of behavior is okay. Sick. It's amazing that the "violence" you objected to right after the election was all found out to be false reports and hoaxes, but this violence is real. I notice you can't seem to denounce this violence. Why???

    Police Investigate After Fullerton Lecturer Allegedly Assaults College Republican


    Report: Republicans Fear for Their Safety as Obamacare Protests Grow Violent


    UC Berkeley Thug Who Beat Conservative and Bragged About It Online – Is University Staff Member!

    It's the Left who is being violent, not the Right.
  • claudine191claudine191 Posts: 8,220Registered Users
    Botticelli, I couldn't find the ignore feature. Otherwise, I would use it. As of now, I am ignoring the old-fashioned way.

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    It's in UserCP. I'll talk you through it if you PM me. :)
  • AngelaE9999AngelaE9999 Posts: 130Registered Users
    The Left is protesting this woman's deportation and blocking ICE vehicles attempting to transport her. She was charged with Identity Theft and using stolen documents to obtain employment. Identity theft, people. What if that was your Social Security number being used?? How would you feel about that??

    Could this woman be the first deported because of Trump

    P.S. Would you like to explain how allowing people like this to stay and work here is fair to those who have gone through the legal channels to live and work here??
  • multicultcurlymulticultcurly Posts: 5,132Registered Users
    Botticelli, I couldn't find the ignore feature. Otherwise, I would use it. As of now, I am ignoring the old-fashioned way.

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    It's in UserCP. I'll talk you through it if you PM me. :)

    Thanks! I went in to CP and added the name and hit okay, so that should work.

    Lol. It did work. :-)

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  • AngelaE9999AngelaE9999 Posts: 130Registered Users
    No one thinks it's "childish" to make posts on this thread about "ignoring" people? Hmmmmm???? It's only "childish" when it's something you don't like and I was expected to just ignore someone accusing me and other Pro Life people of the abuse of foster children. In other words, "do as I say, not as I do". Typical Liberal.
  • curlyannie80curlyannie80 Posts: 333Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    AngelaE9999- If you can't see that the person causing the problem here is YOU, then you are obviously not paying attention. I mean, most of the people on here have literally blocked/ignored you. If that isn't enough to make you change your behavior then I don't know what will. You are arguing just to argue. Honestly you really should go to a site that's specifically for political talk, if you feel the need to speak about this topic. That way people wouldn't get so fed up with it, and you'd be able to speak your mind in a place dedicated to that. Here, however, it's a curly hair site/forum, so nobody really wants to hear it. I'm just being honest. When you're just talking about hair, you are very pleasant and have such good insight and everything.

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  • AngelaE9999AngelaE9999 Posts: 130Registered Users
    AngelaE9999- If you can't see that the person causing the problem here is YOU, then you are obviously not paying attention. I mean, most of the people on here have literally blocked/ignored you. If that isn't enough to make you change your behavior then I don't know what will. You are arguing just to argue. Honestly you really should go to a site that's specifically for political talk, if you feel the need to speak about this topic. That way people wouldn't get so fed up with it, and you'd be able to speak your mind in a place dedicated to that. Here, however, it's a curly hair site/forum, so nobody really wants to hear it. I'm just being honest. When you're just talking about hair, you are very pleasant and have such good insight and everything.

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    This is the "politics" section of this forum. It's "off topic" for hair and is labeled Politics. Therefore, I am well within my rights to post here about politics. And no, I don't have to "go away" simply because people do not agree with me. I see abortion as Crimes Against Humanity, equal to what N@zis were put to death for after WWII and other posters here seem to believe that not allowing women to have their babies killed is somehow "oppressing" them. Oppressing them!!

    I was accused of the abuse of foster children; "moving them around too much and putting them in situations where they are not cared for properly". If you were accused of such a thing, would you just "ignore it" and "go away"?? I don't have a single thing to do with the care or placement of foster children and lay people don't have all the facts and they have no clue why foster children are moved around. Until the accuser has a Social Work Degree, they are unqualified to make such accusations because they do not know the situation.

    Perhaps you are all "Democrats" who think everyone allowed to post has to agree with you but that is not real "discussion". That's simply yes-men and yes-women having a "rah rah" session. You all apparently don't actually want a real discussion as you get tied up in knots just because someone doesn't agree with you. People out there in the real world have different views; not everyone you encounter in life is going to agree with everything you believe. They're also never going to allow you to dictate how to have a discussion. That's just the way it is and if you have little temper tantrums every time that happens, you're going to look really small and petty.

    Once again, I was called "childish" because I did not want the accusation of the abuse of foster children by me and other Pro Life people to go unchallenged but no one seems to think that posting about "ignoring certain people" right here on this thread where the person "being ignored" is posting is childish. Unbelievable.
  • Curlista93Curlista93 Posts: 398Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    And who says this is a Democrat site? How is that fair? Isn't this supposed to be a forum for people with curly hair? So all of a sudden, you have decided that Conservative people aren't welcome here? Really?? How is that right or fair? You don't see any problem with this at all??? Aren't these forums "open" to the public? There isn't anything on these forums that says that Conservative people cannot post here.
    You act just like those "Social Justice Warriors" so many conservatives speak of (and *possibly* yourself have spoken about). When did the poster say conservatives weren't welcome? Or that because you're conservative, you can't post or have an opinion? Now you're putting words in people's mouths. She suggested that you find another venue because you come off as extremely hostile in a significant amount of your posts. Not because you're conservative.


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