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Oh man...

Okay, I did it. Today is my first day following the curly girl routine. Today was also my frist day without Shampoo in a long long time.
My hair feels soft, really really soft, but my scalp kind of itches. I'm surprised, I'm relatively frizz free.
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  • JuicyTubeJuicyTube Posts: 2,369Registered Users
    That's great! I know I ask a lot of people this, but did you clarify before starting? I think that's almost as important as starting itself. :)
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  • Scarlet RookScarlet Rook Posts: 11Registered Users
    I did the brown sugar and conditioner rub, but no, no clarifying. How should I go about doing that? I think I might need to start over again I am getting really really sick, and my hair looks droopy.
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  • wild_sasparillawild_sasparilla Posts: 4,306Registered Users
    I did the brown sugar and conditioner rub, but no, no clarifying. How should I go about doing that? I think I might need to start over again I am getting really really sick, and my hair looks droopy.

    The clarifying to start CG should be done with a clarifying shampoo. That gets everything out for a clean slate; you should also deep treat afterward.
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  • Scarlet RookScarlet Rook Posts: 11Registered Users
    Great, okay, good to know. I will start again when I am feeling better. Yay! Shampoo for a few more days!
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  • KaiaKaia Posts: 8,815Registered Users
    Also, if your scalp keeps itching, you can add a few drops of tea tree oil to your co-wash.
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  • Oregano  (formerly babywavy)Oregano (formerly babywavy) Posts: 5,297Registered Users
    I don't think you need to clarify before you start. If you WANT to, it's fine, but it's not necessary. It's not mentioned in the CG book, and many people here started w/o clarifying. Yes, there may be a build up of cones in your hair, but they will eventually work themselves out - and if you'd been using cones before, but also using a sulfate shampoo, you probably don't have THAT much build up.

    When I first started CG I made sure to scrub my scalp really well w/ my fingers. And for the first month or two of getting used to the regimen, it helps to do co washes often. When you're used to it you may be able to only co wash once or twice a week, but some people find that it feels better if they do it daily, or every other day when starting out.

    Also, using a clarifying conditioner (I'm using VO5 Tea Therapy) gives more of a "clean" feeling when you do co washes.

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  • HalfWavyHalfCurlyHalfWavyHalfCurly Posts: 907Registered Users
    I also don't think it's necessary to clarify before starting, if there's any 'cone coating on the hair it would soon deteriorate and come off on its own, after all it's not crazy glue...
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  • 2bforme2bforme Posts: 81Registered Users
    I've posted this info about me before, but it seems worth it to do it again.
    I have eased my way into CG, and can tell that it will not work for me on a daily basis. Maybe eventually it will, but not right now.
    I have always shampooed daily with 'gentle' shampoo (the laureth sulfate) and used conditioner every day. I transitioned into Deva Curl Lo-Poo and did that for a week, with Curlisto Daily conditioner. Excellent results. For the last couple of days I've been co-washing with Suave Naturals Tropical coconut. My hair is fine, thick, and wavy (2b) and will really curl up nicely IF i am patient. I have found that on co-wash days, my hair curls LESS. As an experiment, this AM I did the lo-poo again, followed by the usual conditioner and styling products and BAM, the curls that drooped all weekend are back.

    To me it's all about experimentation and doing what works for you. I don't think the CG routine ever wants you to have dirty, greasy, stringy hair. If this is happening, then you are doing something wrong. I would suggest the 'easing' method to anyone. It has made my transition a lot easier.
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  • HalfWavyHalfCurlyHalfWavyHalfCurly Posts: 907Registered Users
    2bforme wrote:
    For the last couple of days I've been co-washing with Suave Naturals Tropical coconut. My hair is fine, thick, and wavy (2b)...

    Hon, that's your problem right there. When the hair is well hydrated AND not overly coated (which Suave tends to do) it always curls better. IMHO Suave COs are the worst ones to start CG with because they cause the most waxy build up and are not truly conditioning; in all the years I've been at this site 9 out of every 10 persons who say CG doesn't work for them have been using a Suave CO (sometimes another of the "cheapy" ones like V05...). I'd be willing to bet anything that if you switched to a better quality CO (i.e., either those sold here or at a health food store) your curls would actually "pop" rather than droop.
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  • embudiniembudini Posts: 580Registered Users
    2bforme wrote:
    For the last couple of days I've been co-washing with Suave Naturals Tropical coconut. My hair is fine, thick, and wavy (2b)...

    Hon, that's your problem right there. When the hair is well hydrated AND not overly coated (which Suave tends to do) it always curls better. IMHO Suave COs are the worst ones to start CG with because they cause the most waxy build up and are not truly conditioning; in all the years I've been at this site 9 out of every 10 persons who say CG doesn't work for them has been using a Suave CO (sometimes another of the "cheapy" ones like V05...). I'd be willing to bet anything that if you switched to a better quality CO (i.e., either those sold here or at a health food store) your curls would actually "pop" rather than droop.

    What conditioners would you suggest then? I started CG with Suave used it the whole time, and then quit 2 months later, so...
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  • JulieQJulieQ Posts: 46Registered Users
    Okay, I did it. Today is my first day following the curly girl routine. Today was also my frist day without Shampoo in a long long time.
    My hair feels soft, really really soft, but my scalp kind of itches. I'm surprised, I'm relatively frizz free.

    Good luck! I started the CG on Saturday too! Weird, cause I also did the brown sugar scrub too... What products are you using?
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  • meriellynmeriellyn Posts: 1,135Registered Users
    embudini wrote:
    2bforme wrote:
    For the last couple of days I've been co-washing with Suave Naturals Tropical coconut. My hair is fine, thick, and wavy (2b)...

    Hon, that's your problem right there. When the hair is well hydrated AND not overly coated (which Suave tends to do) it always curls better. IMHO Suave COs are the worst ones to start CG with because they cause the most waxy build up and are not truly conditioning; in all the years I've been at this site 9 out of every 10 persons who say CG doesn't work for them has been using a Suave CO (sometimes another of the "cheapy" ones like V05...). I'd be willing to bet anything that if you switched to a better quality CO (i.e., either those sold here or at a health food store) your curls would actually "pop" rather than droop.

    What conditioners would you suggest then? I started CG with Suave used it the whole time, and then quit 2 months later, so...

    I agree that the Suave Cos can cause problems over time for many people. Also, a lot of them have been recently reformulated, moving fragrance up on the list and anything natural down or out.

    The hands down best COwash I've found so far is American Crew Daily Co. It cleans well, rinses clean, and feels/smells really fresh and clean. It contains rosemary extract and peppermint oil which help with cleansing and scalp health. My hair loves rosemary and peppermint oil seems to get me "cleaner" than anything else, including tea tree oil so I just love this stuff. I discovered it a couple years ago and went on to try a ton of other products but I picked a bottle up on sale a few weeks ago and I have to say that nothing else has worked as well for me, then or now.

    [buylink=http://www.curlmart.com/DevaCurl-No-Poo-p-53.html?utm_source=naturallycurly.com&utm_medium=text-link&utm_content=curltalk-post-text&utm_campaign=devacurl-devacurl-nopoo]DevaCurl NoPoo[/buylink] is good too but I find that I get build-up from regular use of it. I can use the ACDC (hahaha) daily without issue.

    I have used a few of the Suave conditioners as well and they work ok for a little while but I always end up disappointed after a few weeks. The best Suave washing co I've found is the Citrus Smoothie. I haven't checked the new bottles to see if it's been reformulated though. And it only worked well in spats. With the Suave stuff, I have to change up products very regularly so I got to where I only used them when I was trying to make my "good stuff" last longer.
    There were two Suave cos I really liked but they weren't for good for washing and they're off the market now anyway. :(
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  • Scarlet RookScarlet Rook Posts: 11Registered Users
    JulieQ wrote:
    Okay, I did it. Today is my first day following the curly girl routine. Today was also my frist day without Shampoo in a long long time.
    My hair feels soft, really really soft, but my scalp kind of itches. I'm surprised, I'm relatively frizz free.

    Good luck! I started the CG on Saturday too! Weird, cause I also did the brown sugar scrub too... What products are you using?

    Well, because I already had the stuff, and I want to use it up before buying new I am using... Herbal Essences Hello Hydration Conditioner and Herbal Essences Curly gel... not sure of the actual name, but it comes in a purple tube and is clear and smells like lavender.
    I found a curly girl buddy. She uses Garnier Fructis Sleek and Shine Cond. and their "Soft Curl Creme". Her hair looks amazing! So she is going to let me borrow her products and see if I like it.
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  • heavengirl410heavengirl410 Posts: 821Registered Users
    The HE conditioner has cones so does the GF soft curl cream and the GF conditioner. The totally twisted is CG. So be careful of those cones.
  • life's hard for a curllife's hard for a curl Posts: 89Registered Users
    as for the clarifying shampoos I don't take much stock in them anymore because if you look in the ingredients you'll find that all of them contain sodium laureth sulfate, the same ingredient as most "normal" shampoos no matter the formulation.
    I am a 3c reformed product junkie thanks to the economy.

    I lurk a lot, I change my hair color a lot. It's currently black and bsl when wet and beyond my shoulders still when dry.

    Now I will stop procrastinating and get back to what I was supposed to be doing before I got on here.

    Any questions?
  • meriellynmeriellyn Posts: 1,135Registered Users
    The HE conditioner has cones so does the GF soft curl cream and the GF conditioner. The totally twisted is CG. So be careful of those cones.

    I second this. If you want to go full-on CG, you might want to reconsider those conditioners and the cream.
    I found that the SCC built up really fast on my hair, even with occasional non-sulfate 'poo and CGing w/ silicone-laden conditioners can lead to droopy icky hair if you don't use a gently non-sulfate 'poo or ACV rinse or sotmething to clarify. The HE HH co contains cyclopentasiloxane which is VERY non-CG friendly. That's a non-water soluble 'cone that can be quite difficult to remove and requires sulfates to do so. :P The dimethicone and amodimethicone in the other two products are non-water soluble as well but can usually be taken care of with a gentle non-sulfate cleanser like coco betaine.
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  • Scarlet RookScarlet Rook Posts: 11Registered Users
    Wow! Okay.... Good stuff to know. Thanks!
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  • HalfWavyHalfCurlyHalfWavyHalfCurly Posts: 907Registered Users
    embudini wrote:
    What conditioners would you suggest then? I started CG with Suave used it the whole time, and then quit 2 months later, so...

    I rest my case...

    I'm afraid that what I'm using right now is really not going to help anybody... I rotate between several COs that include, for instance, a couple of "extinct" ones like my last bottle of the old formula "Avalon Salon Organics" Lavender and "Aura Aromatherapy with Hawaiian Macadamia Nut Oil (which has dimethicone so I don't use it often). I also sometimes use 2 Dominican DTs as rinse-outs and I am able to use the V05 Kiwi & Lime for washing with no problems; I also recently included in my "rotation VO5 Tea Therapy Chamomile and Moisture Milks Passion Fruit, which I used day before yesterday mixed with jojoba oil as leave-in and it wasn't too bad.

    I don't really like to suggest any specific brands, especially if I've never used them myself but since I've heard many good reviews about Devacurl, the line created in part by the author of "CG", and Jessicurl (I did try the [buylink=http://www.curlmart.com/Jessicurl-Aloeba-Daily-Conditioner-p-104.html?utm_source=naturallycurly.com&utm_medium=text-link&utm_content=curltalk-post-text&utm_campaign=jessicurl-aloeba-daily-conditioner]Aloeba[/buylink] :)) I would recommend those. For those who need something more economic, I think their best bet is one of Nature's Gate COs which for around $5 for 18 oz. offer a really good value, these are available at health food stores and online (www.vitaglo.com is selling them starting at $3.74 so if you normally order supplements it's more than worth it) . If you wish to read other curlies reviews on NG go here: http://www.naturallycurly.com/curltalk/viewtopic.php?t=88850&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0
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  • Oregano  (formerly babywavy)Oregano (formerly babywavy) Posts: 5,297Registered Users
    I agree w/ HWHC - I remember when I came onto this site in 2004, she seemed so preachy to me :lol: but once I experimented myself, I found out that she really is right!! Now I tend to agree with much of what she says, and I take her suggestions.

    I agree about what she said about the Suave Co's. The first time I did the CG thing, I last about 3 months, and I eventually gave up b/c I felt like I had this gross waxy build up. At the time I was using Suave Naturals as my cowashes. I know a lot of people have great luck with them, but my hair is just too fine to take all of that coating.

    I also have a problem with the White Rain Co's as well. Right now I'm using VO5 Tea Therapy Clarifying conditioner, and I love it. It makes my hair feel actually clean. Sometimes when I co wash, I will leave out the extra conditioning step, and some days I will just water wash w/ no conditioner at all. That way I give my hair a chance to normalize and not get too conditioned.
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  • HalfWavyHalfCurlyHalfWavyHalfCurly Posts: 907Registered Users
    Thanks for the support babywavy:D. After seeing a lot of people give up and eventually finding out most of them had been using the wrong products I couldn't just watch indifferently, so I'm glad you realized all I wanted with my "preaching" was to get people to succeed on a routine that offers a better chance to have healthier hair.
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  • SassenachSassenach Posts: 6Registered Users
    Sometimes you have to experiment with a number of products to find the one that works for you. I started CO-ing almost two years ago. I've been using Suave, VO5 and White Rain and they all work about the same for me. If I had to choose one, it'd be the White Rain.