The End

AngelaE9999

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AngelaE9999

The People have spoken: No more Clintons, No more Bushes. Period.

BotticelliBrit

Yes, the people have spoken . . . and they wanted Hilary. Hilary WON the election. She WON the popular vote. The people of America voted for Hilary. It was the electoral that gave Trump presidency, and the electoral is a disgrace to democracy.

Don't take my word for it, of course. Even Trump agrees:
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/266038556504494082?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

BotticelliBrit

Yes, the people have spoken . . . and they wanted Hilary. Hilary WON the election. She WON the popular vote. The people of America voted for Hilary. It was the electoral that gave Trump presidency, and the electoral is a disgrace to democracy.

Don't take my word for it, of course. Even Trump agrees:
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/266038556504494082?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

AngelaE9999

BotticelliBrit wrote: »

Yes, the people have spoken . . . and they wanted Hilary. Hilary WON the election. She WON the popular vote. The people of America voted for Hilary. It was the electoral that gave Trump presidency, and the electoral is a disgrace to democracy.

Don't take my word for it, of course. Even Trump agrees:
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/266038556504494082?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

Ummmmmm....no, it doesn't work that way. And it also doesn't matter what Donald Trump once said. The Electoral College was written into the Constitution for the very purpose of making sure that the rural areas and smaller states have a voice. If we did not have it, it would be "mob rule" and Los Angeles, New York, and Chicago would run the entire country.

You, a Brit, do not get to decide what should and should not happen with US Elections. In order to change the Constitution, they would have to have 2/3 of the Senate, 2/3 or the House of Representatives, and 75% of the states to agree. That is not going to happen.




The Electoral College, explained

AngelaE9999

Blue is Hillary Clinton, Red is Donald Trump

AngelaE9999

P.S. When people were claiming that Hillary had "won the popular vote" there were still three states left whose vote tallies had not been included. All three of those states were states that Trump won; how do you know how many votes Trump actually got?

AngelaE9999

You're also forgetting the 4.1 million people who voted for Gary Johnson, the 1.4 million who voted for Jill Stein, and the 845,000 who voted "other", equaling six million more people who did NOT vote for Hillary Clinton. No way can you say she won the "popular vote" because there were millions more votes that were NOT for Hillary Clinton than votes that were for her. No, the Electoral College is a good thing for the country, it's served us well for over 200 years, and it's not going anywhere.

The "Election Results" given on Election Night were unofficial results in most states, as well. While none of the states reporting believe there will be enough "outstanding ballots" to change the outcome, the official results won't actually be known for at least two weeks.

AngelaE9999

One more response: All of you who are bemoaning Hillary's loss due to what you say is the "popular vote" (which she lost by more than 6 million votes in actuality), what do you have to say about the "Superdelegates" in the Primaries? Hillary won the primaries due to Superdelegates who were committed to her before any voting or caucuses started. If you want to toss anything outside of "votes of regular American voters" then you also have to toss out Hillary's win in the primaries, meaning Bernie Sanders should have been running against Trump. You can't have it both ways.

MsSoftee

Hillary won the popular vote in the primaries, too, including the states who caucus.

Was The Democratic Primary A Close Call Or A Landslide? | FiveThirtyEight

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2016/04/06/is-hillary-clinton-really-ahead-of-bernie-sanders-by-2-5-million-votes/

AngelaE9999

MsSoftee wrote: »

Hillary won the popular vote in the primaries, too, including the states who caucus.

Was The Democratic Primary A Close Call Or A Landslide? | FiveThirtyEight

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2016/04/06/is-hillary-clinton-really-ahead-of-bernie-sanders-by-2-5-million-votes/

No, she didn't. She won the "popular vote" only in states that do not caucus. The states that caucus showed Bernie as winner in just about all of them:

The truth is that caucus states don’t have a popular vote. That doesn’t make their vote less important. It just changes how the people of that state choose to make the decision on who to select in the primary.

Most people making claims about Hillary’s popular vote advantage talk about her having around a three million vote lead. I went to the 2016 Democratic Popular Vote page on RealClearPolitics. The page, not including West Virginia, shows Hillary with a 3,135,834 lead.

Then I took a list of the caucus states that Bernie has won, and he’s won almost all of them.

I dug up 2015 census data on the populations of those states and then pulled from Real Clear Politics, the total votes and the winning spread for Sanders in the caucus states. The numbers are below. First observation— for states totaling roughly 35 million people, some which Bernie won by 70%, he is given a total spread advantage of 160,000 votes. That’s outrageous.

Debunking Hillary's Specious "Winning the Popular Vote" Claim | The Huffington Post

What this means is that the states that caucus have roughly 35 million voters. Out of those voters, Bernie got about 70%. 70% of 35 million is a lot more than the three million "more" votes they assigned to Hillary Clinton. It would actually be 21.5 million more votes than Hillary got.

AngelaE9999

DARRELL HUCKABY: Take a seat — history class is in session:

Goodness gracious sakes alive, does this country need a history lesson! Never in the past four years have I wanted so badly to have a class of people to teach. Teenagers or adults or senior citizens — it wouldn’t have mattered. I have seen so much appalling ignorance about our country, its history and its constitution that I have just wanted to grab the populace and shake them until they understood.


For starters, I am tired of hearing about our democracy and the popular vote. We are not a democracy, and a whole lot of people should be really glad about that, too, because in a democracy, mob rule applies. The majority is the boss of everybody, and if we had been a democracy in 1865 slavery would have never been abolished. If we had been a democracy in 1920, the women would have never gotten the vote. If we had been a democracy in 1964 and 1965, those historic pieces of civil rights legislation would never have been approved. In fact, if we had been a democracy in 1776, the Declaration of Independence would never have been adopted because the majority of the colonists were afraid to pursue independence, just like a majority of Americans opposed women’s suffrage and abolition and sweeping civil rights reform.



For the record, Abraham Lincoln did not get a majority of the popular vote in 1860, and Bill Clinton did not get a majority of the popular vote in 1992 or 1996.



“Oh, yes he did!” screamed one of my Facebook friends this week. “I know Lincoln got the most votes and so did Clinton.”



Most means plurality, y’all. A majority is 50 percent plus one. And while we are on the subject, we are not a democratic republic, either, no matter what the revisionist history books might claim. That’s just a term Andrew Jackson coined for political purposes in the 1820s and it stuck with some people. We are a republic. We have a federalist form of government where the power is supposed to be divided between the states and the central government and neither is subservient to the other. Both are supposed to get their powers directly from the people.



And by the way, the U.S. Constitution does not give any of us the right to have a say so in who becomes president of the United States. Oh, no, it doesn’t. That power is vested entirely in the Electoral College, and under the Constitution states still have the authority to decided how those electors are chosen. It wasn’t until 1842 that the last state started allowing the people to vote for those electors.



If we eliminated the Electoral College people in two-thirds of the states would be virtually disenfranchised when it came to presidential elections. All the time, money and effort would be spent wooing voters in California, New York and Florida.



Now about the transition of power. Political parties are not mentioned in the Constitution and were thought to be a dangerous thing by our founders. But parties arose almost immediately because people have always had differences of opinions about political issues. The first 12 years under the Constitution found the government in the hands of the Federalist Party. But in the election of 1800 — also called the Revolution of 1800 — Thomas Jefferson, leader of the Republican Party, was chosen to be president. When John Adams, his Federalist opponent, stepped down on inauguration day in 1801, it marked the first time in the history of the world that a group in power had relinquished power without violence or threat of violence, simply because the people said that’s what they wanted. It has worked that way ever since.



And now the people have spoken and the message is loud and clear, under the Constitution, that the people want this country to go in a new direction. And no matter how much they hated to do so, Hillary and Bill Clinton, Joe Biden, and President Obama did and said all the right things this week to propel us toward that smooth transition.
And yet in many of our nation’s cities, ignorant young people who have no knowledge of how this Republic is supposed to work are dying to get attention by marching in the streets and generally acting the fool — and, no, these are not the peaceful protests guaranteed by the First Amendment. You must have a grievance to protest. These are spoiled brats and attention-seekers and they should be ashamed.



And if you are interested, I have about 38 years worth of lessons stored up. Class can start as soon as everyone gets here.

MsSoftee

Popular vote = net vote of all American voters. Caucusing states did not negate her win by popular vote, is what I meant.

You seem angry. Headachy? Perhaps that is what he meant by getting "tired of winning".

‘Please Mr. President, I have a headache. Please, don't win so much. This is getting terrible.’ And I'm going to say, ‘No, we have to make America great again.’ You're gonna say, ‘Please.’ I said, ‘Nope, nope. We're gonna keep winning.’

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2016/02/19/25-quotes-capturing-donald-trumps-final-pitch-to-south-carolina/

Time for coffee and donuts!

MsSoftee

And to look askance at a representative body (caucus) reducing the worth of the citizens' votes while loving up the electoral college is funny

AngelaE9999

You DO realize that Debbie Wasserman Schultz was forced out of her position as head of the DNC because of her mishandling of the primary election and Bernie Sanders, right? What, you just think she retired smack dab in the middle of a Presidential Election season just because? Look it up; you'll see.

Therefore, let’s ask some questions ignored by “progressive” media. What if the DNC had attended joint Bernie Sanders fundraisers, or reviewed a POLITICO piece because of some type of agreement? What if DNC staffers pitched anti-Hillary narratives to communications director Luis Miranda? Imagine the outrage had DNC officials targeted Hillary’s belief in God, or asked a Sanders attorney to devise strategies against Clinton.


Furthermore, the enormous advantages of having the DNC on her side bolstered Clinton, and hurt Sanders in the same manner any challenger would be undermined by such favoritism. To ignore the effects of the DNC’s underhanded tactics on media coverage, and the media’s bias against Bernie as a result, is to condone the rigged primary against Bernie. Presidential campaigns are won and lost by media, and political parties rallying around a particular candidate. In Bernie’s case, his missteps were magnified, his chances were minimized, and the potential consequences of Clinton’s FBI criminal investigation were virtually ignored by mainstream media. For an explanation of how The New York Times has become Hillary Clinton’s PR firm, simply watch one of my recent YouTube segments.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/debbie-wasserman-schultz-and-the-dnc-favored-hillary_us_57b365a4e4b0b3bb4b0800bd

AngelaE9999

MsSoftee wrote: »

And to look askance at a representative body (caucus) reducing the worth of the citizens' votes while loving up the electoral college is funny

Nobody "looked askance" at anything. I said that it's a double standard to be perfectly fine with caucusing to choose a candidate (caucus is NOT a popular vote process) and then whine and cry about the Electoral College system. You either want only popular vote (which will result in mob rule) or you're okay with the system the way it is. What is really happening here is that you are fine with the system until it doesn't favor your candidate. Then you want it to be changed.


And yes, if the caucus states that Bernie won by 70% had held a vote instead, he'd have many millions more votes than Hillary. You can't compare apples to oranges and say Hillary won the popular vote. And your "angry and headachy" insults are offensive as it is that exact mentality that women have been fighting against for decades. Every time someone doesn't like something they say or do it's blamed on hormones or PMSing. You act like this is the 1950s or something. I thought that Hillary's supporters were in favor of progress for women? You just proved that that is not true.

AngelaE9999

Three million votes in the U.S. presidential election were cast by illegal aliens, according to Greg Phillips of the VoteFraud.org organization.

If true, this would mean that Donald Trump still won the contest despite widespread vote fraud and almost certainly won the popular vote.
“We have verified more than three million votes cast by non-citizens,” tweeted Phillips after reporting that the group had completed an analysis of a database of 180 million voter registrations.

AngelaE9999

https://twitter.com/DanODradio/status/796401988724523009/photo/1

hmkenny

Yes, I see the value of the electoral votes. No more Clintons, no more Bushes. Fine. But Trump? Really??!!! He hired Stephen Bannon. A certifed anti-semite. Really???!!! Must we wait until they start incinerating Jews?

And what of Senator McCain who blatantly refused to approve any democrat's nominations to the Supreme Court? Are you okay with that? Because that is an obstruction of our democracy. And Speaker Paul Ryan wants to be able to fire sitting Justices. How is that democratic? This is an ogilarchy that is not serving the American people. And somehow Trump is going to fix this? This ignorant buffon? I am absolutely traumatized by this election result. I am grief stricken. Inconsolable. Eff every last person who voted for him. Eff you in both ears. Sorry not sorry. Eff you.

hmkenny

If I have offended anyone, I don't care. Ban me. You have offended me by electing this racist, mysogynist, ignoramus. Sorry your mortgage rate is high, or whatever your teeny, tiny personal issue is. I hope he fixes it for you before he starts incinerating Jews.

hmkenny

Trump can say whatever he wants and still get elected. Well, by jingo so can I.:occasion9::occasion9::occasion9::occasion9:

AngelaE9999

hmkenny wrote: »

Yes, I see the value of the electoral votes. No more Clintons, no more Bushes. Fine. But Trump? Really??!!! He hired Stephen Bannon. A certifed anti-semite. Really???!!! Must we wait until they start incinerating Jews?

And what of Senator McCain who blatantly refused to approve any democrat's nominations to the Supreme Court? Are you okay with that? Because that is an obstruction of our democracy. And Speaker Paul Ryan wants to be able to fire sitting Justices. How is that democratic? This is an ogilarchy that is not serving the American people. And somehow Trump is going to fix this? This ignorant buffon? I am absolutely traumatized by this election result. I am grief stricken. Inconsolable. Eff every last person who voted for him. Eff you in both ears. Sorry not sorry. Eff you.

"Certified Anti Semite"? Really? So you ARE simply a person who is fed information from the Left and who does not do any "thinking" for yourself.

But it is not legitimate to call somebody an anti-Semite because you might disagree with their policies. Or because in one instance, like in the Bannon case, an aggrieved wife in a divorce may have said something which he himself has denied having said. I think you always have to have a presumption of innocence and of good faith. And so, I am not prepared to accept those conclusions based on the evidence that I have now seen.

EXCLUSIVE - Alan Dershowitz Defends Steve Bannon:

Breitbart is filing suit against a major news organization for the baseless accusations that the site is "White Nationalist" and "Anti Semitic".

And yes, I am linking to Breitbart and I am not going to apologize for it. Lefties link to Huffpo and CNN and other FAR LEFT LEANING sites; my source has an actual quote from an actual Democrat, Left-Leaning Jewish person.

And how is Harry Reid any better, praytell? He held over 300 bills on his desk, refusing to allow them to go up for a vote. You obviously don't know Conservatives very well because Conservatives can't stand John McCain OR Paul Ryan. We would love to see that RINO go back to Wisconsin, never to be seen or heard from again.

Harry Reid Blocks Vote On Animal Cruelty Bill

curlisue1

I didn't vote for Trump. I also didn't vote for Hillary. I think both of them were not suitable candidates. That's my opinion. But I'm not going to throw a tantrum because the person I voted for didn't win. Or go and riot and act like a fool. Get a grip.


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AngelaE9999

curlisue1 wrote: »

I didn't vote for Trump. I also didn't vote for Hillary. I think both of them were not suitable candidates. That's my opinion. But I'm not going to throw a tantrum because the person I voted for didn't win. Or go and riot and act like a fool. Get a grip.


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My very best friend said this same thing. She didn't find either candidate suitable, either. Doesn't mean I like her any less and I completely respect her opinion. I have a "friend" that I met on Facebook who is an elderly woman with the hugest heart I've ever seen in a person. She and I disagree on a lot of politics, but that doesn't change my opinion of her one iota. She also did not believe that either candidate was adequate.

AngelaE9999

Lou Dobbs Warns Trump and GOP Lawmakers: Paul Ryan Is the Snake Who Can’t Be Trusted (VIDEO)



We all knew this, already. Did not need Lou Dobbs to tell us.

AngelaE9999

hmkenny

It is no surprise at all that the only defense for Trump is that he is not Clinton.

Our country was founded on protests. The alternative is taking it up the tailpipe.

hmkenny

AngelaE9999 wrote: »

The People have spoken: No more Clintons, No more Bushes. Period.

Maybe if you use a bigger font people will believe you.

AngelaE9999

hmkenny wrote: »

It is no surprise at all that the only defense for Trump is that he is not Clinton.

Our country was founded on protests. The alternative is taking it up the tailpipe.

That's not even close to being true and where did you pick up this information from, anyway? Do you take the time to read and gain information for yourself or are you spoon-fed everything you know from other uninformed people??

On his signed “Contract with the American Voter” are promises to roll back a range of President Obama’s policies and regulations – chief among them Obamacare – in addition to a promise to dramatically increase spending on the nation’s infrastructure and military and provide middle class tax relief.


Here’s the full 100-day plan, republished from DonaldJTrump.com:

Donald Trump’s Contract with the American Voter

What follows is my 100-day action plan to Make America Great Again. It is a contract between myself and the American voter — and begins with restoring honesty, accountability and change to Washington. Therefore, on the first day of my term of office, my administration will immediately pursue the following:

Six measures to clean up the corruption and special interest collusion in Washington, DC:

* FIRST, propose a Constitutional Amendment to impose term limits on all members of Congress.

* SECOND, a hiring freeze on all federal employees to reduce federal workforce through attrition (exempting military, public safety, and public health).

* THIRD, a requirement that for every new federal regulation, two existing regulations must be eliminated.

* FOURTH, a 5 year-ban on White House and Congressional officials becoming lobbyists after they leave government service.

* FIFTH, a lifetime ban on White House officials lobbying on behalf of a foreign government.

* SIXTH, a complete ban on foreign lobbyists raising money for American elections.

On the same day, I will begin taking the following 7 actions to protect American workers:

* FIRST, I will announce my intention to renegotiate NAFTA or withdraw from the deal under Article 2205.

* SECOND, I will announce our withdrawal from the Trans-Pacific Partnership.

* THIRD, I will direct my Secretary of the Treasury to label China a currency manipulator.

* FOURTH, I will direct the Secretary of Commerce and U.S. Trade Representative to identify all foreign trading abuses that unfairly impact American workers and direct them to use every tool under American and international law to end those abuses immediately.

* FIFTH, I will lift the restrictions on the production of $50 trillion dollars’ worth of job-producing American energy reserves, including shale, oil, natural gas and clean coal.

* SIXTH, lift the Obama-Clinton roadblocks and allow vital energy infrastructure projects, like the Keystone Pipeline, to move forward.

* SEVENTH, cancel billions in payments to U.N. climate change programs and use the money to fix America’s water and environmental infrastructure.

Additionally, on the first day, I will take the following five actions to restore security and the constitutional rule of law:

* FIRST, cancel every unconstitutional executive action, memorandum and order issued by President Obama.

* SECOND, begin the process of selecting a replacement for Justice Scalia from one of the 20 judges on my list, who will uphold and defend the Constitution of the United States.

* THIRD, cancel all federal funding to Sanctuary Cities.

* FOURTH, begin removing the more than 2 million criminal illegal immigrants from the country and cancel visas to foreign countries that won’t take them back.

* FIFTH, suspend immigration from terror-prone regions where vetting cannot safely occur. All vetting of people coming into our country will be considered extreme vetting.

Next, I will work with Congress to introduce the following broader legislative measures and fight for their passage within the first 100 days of my Administration:

Middle Class Tax Relief And Simplification Act. An economic plan designed to grow the economy 4% per year and create at least 25 million new jobs through massive tax reduction and simplification, in combination with trade reform, regulatory relief, and lifting the restrictions on American energy. The largest tax reductions are for the middle class. A middle-class family with 2 children will get a 35% tax cut. The current number of brackets will be reduced from 7 to 3, and tax forms will likewise be greatly simplified. The business rate will be lowered from 35 to 15 percent, and the trillions of dollars of American corporate money overseas can now be brought back at a 10 percent rate.

End The Offshoring Act. Establishes tariffs to discourage companies from laying off their workers in order to relocate in other countries and ship their products back to the U.S. tax-free.

American Energy & Infrastructure Act. Leverages public-private partnerships, and private investments through tax incentives, to spur $1 trillion in infrastructure investment over 10 years. It is revenue neutral.

School Choice And Education Opportunity Act. Redirects education dollars to give parents the right to send their kid to the public, private, charter, magnet, religious or home school of their choice. Ends common core, brings education supervision to local communities. It expands vocational and technical education, and make 2 and 4-year college more affordable.

Repeal and Replace Obamacare Act. Fully repeals Obamacare and replaces it with Health Savings Accounts, the ability to purchase health insurance across state lines, and lets states manage Medicaid funds. Reforms will also include cutting the red tape at the FDA: there are over 4,000 drugs awaiting approval, and we especially want to speed the approval of life-saving medications.

Affordable Childcare and Eldercare Act. Allows Americans to deduct childcare and elder care from their taxes, incentivizes employers to provide on-side childcare services, and creates tax-free Dependent Care Savings Accounts for both young and elderly dependents, with matching contributions for low-income families.

End Illegal Immigration Act. Fully-funds the construction of a wall on our southern border with the full understanding that the country Mexico will be reimbursing the United States for the full cost of such wall; establishes a 2-year mandatory minimum federal prison sentence for illegally re-entering the U.S. after a previous deportation, and a 5-year mandatory minimum for illegally re-entering for those with felony convictions, multiple misdemeanor convictions or two or more prior deportations; also reforms visa rules to enhance penalties for overstaying and to ensure open jobs are offered to American workers first.

Restoring Community Safety Act. Reduces surging crime, drugs and violence by creating a Task Force On Violent Crime and increasing funding for programs that train and assist local police; increases resources for federal law enforcement agencies and federal prosecutors to dismantle criminal gangs and put violent offenders behind bars.

Restoring National Security Act. Rebuilds our military by eliminating the defense sequester and expanding military investment; provides veterans with the ability to receive public VA treatment or attend the private doctor of their choice; protects our vital infrastructure from cyber-attack; establishes new screening procedures for immigration to ensure those who are admitted to our country support our people and our values.

Clean up Corruption in Washington Act. Enacts new ethics reforms to drain the swamp and reduce
the corrupting influence of special interests on our politics.

On November 8th, Americans will be voting for this 100-day plan to restore prosperity to our economy, security to our communities and honesty to our government.

This is my pledge to you.

And if we follow these steps, we will once more have a government of, by and for the people.”

AngelaE9999

Another thing regarding Clinton is this: James Comey of the FBI told the American Public two things:

1. Laws are for the "Little People", not the Clintons

Being "Extremely Careless" (Comey's words) in handling classified information is breaking the law, so you can forget any "well she didn't break any laws" responses. Also a "private server" circumvents FOIA laws.

2. National Security and putting people on the ground in "intelligence operations" into jeopardy doesn't matter. Hillary Clinton is more important than any of that.

hmkenny

She's blocked so it doesn't matter how large the font is or how big the meme is. Ignore user.

Our country is dead. President Elect Mutt killed it.