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Anyone use the B&A method of washing/application/styling

ChelleChelle Posts: 131Registered Users
Just wondering, they have a video on their site that explains how the shampoo *twice* the entire head of hair, then brush out upside down, then put gel into hair and then scrunch with a towel and let air dry......anyone use or try this?

I am considering buying their entire line just to give it a try because their hair and all of the hair on their site where they use this method looks really good.

Chelle
2a?, using MOP C system hydrating poo, Elucence conditioner, B&A Biomineral gel......off and on results....rely most on my curling iron for help
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  • DominicanaHeatDominicanaHeat Posts: 2,729Registered Users
    Really? Link the video!
    3a/3b thick coarse WL dark brown hair. CG/Mod CG since: 5/4/05. Current products: Right now my hair is in such a tizzy over this winter weather we are hving that nothing really seems to be working. I need a haircut.
  • FearnotsomuchFearnotsomuch Posts: 368Registered Users
    Oh that method sounds.... terrifying!

    Shampooing... TWICE? ..and brushing!?!? and only using gel?? *hyperventilates* My hair would end up a stringy mess!
    In DESPERATE need of a haircut.
  • CelticCurlsCelticCurls Posts: 558Registered Users
    I've always been curious about no one ever talks about the B&A condnr, when the gel is a hall-of-famer... Maybe it's because few curlies seem to go the protein route, opting for moisture instead? Ouidad is similarly rarely spoken of anymore.
    3B, bra-strap length
    laidback, very-modified CGer
    HG: GF Sleek 'n Shine Leave-in; Alagio
  • lushaholiclushaholic Posts: 2,180Registered Users
    There were a few on here that really raved about the conditioner a while back, and I came close to ordering it myself until I read about one of the cones in it.

    I've actually tried the wash-twice method but with Low-Poo or No-Poo. I can't say that I could tell any difference. But I'm surprised they would get bigger hair afterwards because those sulfates would definitely fluff up their hair, and the gel doesn't add any weight.
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  • Leilani42Leilani42 Posts: 200Registered Users
    The shampoo twice thing is something I've heard of before... and it's supposed to be more than just getting you to use twice the amount of product. :D

    The foaming action of the surfactant (soap or shampoo) is caused by the bonding of the soap to the water molecules, which stabilizes the water's surface tension and allows for the formation of bubbles. In shampoo terms, that can only happen when the shampoo hasn't bonded to anything else, such as the sebum or dirt in your hair. So, by lathering twice, the first go-round is for the shampoo to bond to the sebum and carry it away, and the second is uninterrupted by other factors and produces more foam, and lets the shampoo really do its job.

    To me, that sounds like a bad thing for curlies! For hair that tends toward dryness, the second lathering seems like overkill. I suppose the second lather is to give the other beneficial ingredients a chance to penetrate. Maybe that's their logic. I do see panthenol, vitamin A, vitamin E, aloe vera, sweet almond oil, jojoba oil, and protein in the ingredients. But those things provide benefits that can be found in the conditioner, too... and without the drying sulfates.

    Long winded! Sorry I rambled.
    2c/3a-M-i
    modified CG since July 2004.
    searching for products that work...
  • ChelleChelle Posts: 131Registered Users
    It sounds harsh to me too and my hair will probably revolt if I try it but if you watch the video and see the results they get.....very nice. I haven't made the leap and ordered the set yet but they did tell me that I could return their products for a return if I wasn't happy....I love the gel so I really don't have that much to lose.

    Chelle
    2a?, using MOP C system hydrating poo, Elucence conditioner, B&A Biomineral gel......off and on results....rely most on my curling iron for help
  • kimmyckimmyc Posts: 551Registered Users
    Their hair does look good. Maybe like lush and someone else said, the sulfates rile up the hair so to speak and that's why it looks so big and full. I looked on their site but I couldn't find the video.

    I have tried their conditioner and it was okay. I try to stay away from proteins and cones though so I decided not to use it anymore. Love the gel though!
    2b/3a, primarily use Jessicurl and DevaCurl products, Curls Hair Tea conditioner and various gels. I'm modified CG-ish since 5/04.
  • ChelleChelle Posts: 131Registered Users
    Here is a link to the video I am talking about .....I couldn't find it either, B&A sent me the link to it.

    /home/leaving?target=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.batiaandaleeza.com%2Fbatia_aleeza_mov.html" class="Popup

    Chelle
    2a?, using MOP C system hydrating poo, Elucence conditioner, B&A Biomineral gel......off and on results....rely most on my curling iron for help
  • kimmyckimmyc Posts: 551Registered Users
    Well, they sure make the hair look awesome in the video!! I wonder if their shampoo has sulfates? I thought it did but didn't see a full ingredient list on their site.
    2b/3a, primarily use Jessicurl and DevaCurl products, Curls Hair Tea conditioner and various gels. I'm modified CG-ish since 5/04.
  • slinky1slinky1 Banned Posts: 1,612Banned Users
    I wash my hair twice every few days now instead of clarifying. I get buildup with the protein-laden RHG that I've been using, and this seems to work for me...but it is annoying. It also seems much less drying than a clarifying shampoo can be because my hair doesn't feel stripped...but the gunk is out. *Knock on wood* it works.

    I wouldn't splurge on the whole line...maybe follow the routine with substitute products that you may have at home.
    ;)
  • lushaholiclushaholic Posts: 2,180Registered Users
    Here's the ingredients list for the shampoo:

    Key Ingredients: Aloe Vera Gel, Calendula Extract, Golden Seal Root Extract, Henna Extract, Hops Extract, Matricaria Extract, Quillaja Extract, Wild Cherry Bark Extract, Sodium Laureth Sulfate, Sodium Cocoyl Isethionate, Cocamidopropyl Betaine, Cocamide DEA, Panthenol, Phytantriol, Tocopheryl Acetate, Retinyl Palmitate, Cholecalciferol, Polyquaternium-4, Methyl Gluceth-10, Jojoba Oil, Sweet Almond Oil, Sodium PCA, Hydrolyzed Wheat Protein (and) Hydrolyzed Wheat Starch, Glycol Stearate, Sodium Chloride, Methylparaben, Diazolidnyl Urea, Fragrance.

    Here's the ingredients for the conditioner:

    Key Ingredients: Ginseng Extract, Gotu Kola Extract, Rosehips Extract, Spirulina Extract, Aloe Vera Gel, Cetearyl Alcohol, Dicetyldimonium Chloride, Methyl Gluceth-10, Steapyrium Chloride, Tocopheryl Acetate, Retinyl Palmitate, Cholecalciferol, Panthenol, Phytantriol, Hydrolyzed Wheat Protein (and) Hydrolyzed Wheat Starch, Hydrolyzed Corn Protein, Hydrolyzed Rice Protein, Cyclomethicone Lactamide MEA, PEG-45M, Hydroxyethylcellulose, Propylene Glycol, Disodium EDTA, Citric Acid, DEA Methoxycinnamate, Benzophenone-4, Methylparaben, Propylparaben, Diazolidinyl Urea, Fragrance.
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  • ChelleChelle Posts: 131Registered Users
    I bought it all....I"ll let you know when it gets here how it works when it gets here :D

    Chelle
    2a?, using MOP C system hydrating poo, Elucence conditioner, B&A Biomineral gel......off and on results....rely most on my curling iron for help
  • kimmyckimmyc Posts: 551Registered Users
    Let us know Chelle! Thanks for the ingredients Lush. The hair on their site really does look fabulous!
    2b/3a, primarily use Jessicurl and DevaCurl products, Curls Hair Tea conditioner and various gels. I'm modified CG-ish since 5/04.
  • FearnotsomuchFearnotsomuch Posts: 368Registered Users
    Good Luck Chelle! Just don't convince me to buy anything else! :lol:
    In DESPERATE need of a haircut.
  • The ScientistThe Scientist Posts: 239Registered Users
    Chelle, please let us know how it works in comparison to other methods. I will try anything once!
    2c/3a modified CG
    HG product: AG Recoil... Searching for others...
    HG method: pixiecurl method of drying. I'll never go back!
  • sfisher323sfisher323 Posts: 537Registered Users
    :shock:

    There's no way my hair would look like that if I brushed it! While they're doing the demo, the girl's hair continued to look curly while she was running the brush through it. Mine would become stick straight (while it was wet, of course).

    I'll be very curious to hear about how your experimenting turns out Chelle!
    embracing my inner curl since late Nov 2006
    2b/3a (I think?)
    color-treated red/brown, medium-textured hair
    PJ, currently using Suave citrus smoothie, B2B pom cond, GF C&S leave-in, AG re:coil, LOOB, HE SMU, Jessicurl HCC, CC, AIS
  • SystemSystem Posts: 39,059 Administrator
    I routinely comb my hair after putting on the styling product, and it stays curly, even though I'm a 3a. I've tried brushing and it doesn't pull out the curl. Which surprised me.
  • bostonwavesbostonwaves Posts: 727Registered Users
    I did their exact routine but not with their products.
    I have unbelievable volume (I am a 2b) but less defined curls.
    The curls are more spirally but not clumpy and best of all not stringy.
    I may use this method more often.
    "What's the good of having naturally curly hair if nobody's jealous?" Freida - Peanuts

    ~CG 8/06 ~
    fine, wavy - 2b/3a
    KCNT and KKCC
  • embudiniembudini Posts: 580Registered Users
    Hmmm... I may try the routine, w/o their products soon. How strong of a shampoo do you think I should use, to make it close to doing the actual routine? If I used a strong poo 2x that would probably dry my hair out, but if I used a super gentle poo, I don't think that would have much effect on my hair... :shock:
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    3A-3B layered-longer-than-shoulder-length-not-really-CG
    Former Tween Scene Columnist
  • SystemSystem Posts: 39,059 Administrator
    I would suggest trying one application of a gentle shampoo and then following the rest of the routine, before going whole hog with sulfate shampoo twice.
  • SableSable Posts: 109Registered Users
    I know I can't wash twice, my hair would be dry as a bone. But would someone please help me figure out how to use the gel. I can never get defined, smooth curls with it. Do you put it on dripping wet hair, or towel blotted? I've tried it over different curl creams ( CJ, Souffle, & Boots) and [buylink=http://www.curlmart.com/Curly-Hair-Solutions-Curl-Keeper-p-28.html?utm_source=naturallycurly.com&utm_medium=text-link&utm_content=curltalk-post-text&utm_campaign=curly-hair-solutions-curl-keeper]Curl Keeper[/buylink], but it's still not right. And it's feels a little dry. I must be doing something wrong, Help!
    3a/3b/F/ii
    Current Favorites:

    Mixed Chicks Shampoo
    Mixed Chicks Deep Conditioner
    Mixed Chicks Leave In Conditioner
  • SystemSystem Posts: 39,059 Administrator
    Sable wrote:
    I know I can't wash twice, my hair would be dry as a bone. But would someone please help me figure out how to use the gel. I can never get defined, smooth curls with it. Do you put it on dripping wet hair, or towel blotted? I've tried it over different curl creams ( CJ, Souffle, & Boots) and [buylink=http://www.curlmart.com/Curly-Hair-Solutions-Curl-Keeper-p-28.html?utm_source=naturallycurly.com&utm_medium=text-link&utm_content=curltalk-post-text&utm_campaign=curly-hair-solutions-curl-keeper]Curl Keeper[/buylink], but it's still not right. And it's feels a little dry. I must be doing something wrong, Help!

    It is somewhat high in proteins. Most people report that it doesn't have the typical protein-dryness problems, but you might be the exception.

    I use it over a little [buylink=http://www.curlmart.com/Curly-Hair-Solutions-Curl-Keeper-p-28.html?utm_source=naturallycurly.com&utm_medium=text-link&utm_content=curltalk-post-text&utm_campaign=curly-hair-solutions-curl-keeper]Curl Keeper[/buylink] in blotted hair.
  • KaiaKaia Posts: 8,815Registered Users
    I use it in very wet hair over a leave-in, recoil, CK, or some combination of these. I have never had any dryness, and it gives me VERY defined curls. I think the dryness may be a protein sensitivity.
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  • SableSable Posts: 109Registered Users
    Thanks for the responses. I've been afraid it was a protien sensitivity, but since so many haven't had the problem I was hoping to be able to use it. I'm having a real problem finding the right products for the summer humidity here in the south.
    3a/3b/F/ii
    Current Favorites:

    Mixed Chicks Shampoo
    Mixed Chicks Deep Conditioner
    Mixed Chicks Leave In Conditioner
  • itsjustmeghanitsjustmeghan Posts: 652Registered Users
    so do you think the extra shampoo helps with the extra protein building up? it does make sense that the 2 shampoos clean the hair completely so the conditioner can do it's business...and the hair in the video does look good....i do love the conditioner...

    i know that pixiecurl brushes her hair when wet to distribute product. she said she doesn't get stringy curls either...

    i think i'll try this tonight with their gel and my normal shampoo/conditioner routine...hmmmm

    ETA:
    chelle, i'm eager to see what you think of their products and routine!
    3A Once again on the quest for BSL healthy curly hair....
  • happy-girlhappy-girl Posts: 208Registered Users
    I can't tell what kind of brush they're using in the video. What kind does everyone else use (if one at all?)

    This is actually how I apply products to my hair... I apply when my hair is soaking wet and rake through. (Haven't tried actually brushing...) Then I blot till just damp with paper towels. My hair responds so much better this way compared to others.

    The double-shampoo, I'm not so sure about. I'll have to give that a try.
    Mid-back length 3a, red.
    Currently using: Joico, Redken, LA Looks Curl Look gel, BRHG.
  • sfisher323sfisher323 Posts: 537Registered Users
    happy-girl wrote:
    I can't tell what kind of brush they're using in the video. What kind does everyone else use (if one at all?)

    I'm curious about this as well. I figure it's worth an experiment, but have no idea what kind of brush I would pick up.

    Suggestions?
    embracing my inner curl since late Nov 2006
    2b/3a (I think?)
    color-treated red/brown, medium-textured hair
    PJ, currently using Suave citrus smoothie, B2B pom cond, GF C&S leave-in, AG re:coil, LOOB, HE SMU, Jessicurl HCC, CC, AIS
  • Fluffy01Fluffy01 Posts: 271Registered Users
    Has their formula by chance changed in the past five years? I remember trying the gel awhile back and thinking it was nothing special. Or maybe you just have to use the whole system. Hmmm...
  • SystemSystem Posts: 39,059 Administrator
    Fluffy01 wrote:
    Has their formula by chance changed in the past five years? I remember trying the gel awhile back and thinking it was nothing special. Or maybe you just have to use the whole system. Hmmm...

    The formula has not changed as far as I know. Most people here use only the gel, not the whole system. It works for a lot of curlies...but, as we know, nothing works for everyone!
  • PheebiePheebie Posts: 177Registered Users
    Chelle wrote:
    Here is a link to the video I am talking about .....I couldn't find it either, B&A sent me the link to it.

    /home/leaving?target=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.batiaandaleeza.com%2Fbatia_aleeza_mov.html" class="Popup

    Chelle

    I can pull up the site from this link, but I can't view the video. Anyone else have trouble? I'd really like to watch it. All I get is a gray screen in the center and little thingy at the bottom that moves from the left to the right, as if the video is playing, but I can't see the video. :?

    I must see this - I'm a B & A junkie!
    :)
    Hair Type: 3A/3B; natural color; mid-back length.
    Shampoo: Shea Moisture Coconut Hibiscus (2 - 3 times/week)
    Fave Rinse-Out Conditioners: HE Hello Hydration; Yes to Blueberries; GVP Conditioning Balm;
    Styling Routine: Squish-scrunch product /conditioner into soaking wet, upside down hair; plop for 10 minutes, air dry. (Diffuser dry front section.)
    Fave Styling Products: KCKT; Tigi Curl Amplifier Creme; Batia & Aleeza gel; Giovanni Sunset Styler; LA Looks Sport Gel.
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