Arrest Donald Trump

rouquinne

it's time!

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/aug/09/trump-gun-owners-clinton-judges-second-amendment?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Tweet

see also:

https://newrepublic.com/article/134892/will-blood

https://newrepublic.com/article/134329/american-horror-story

claudine191

I'm thinking more of the punishments the Romans used to dole out to their former leaders:

cut off his tongue and/or nose and exile him to some bleak hot island.

multicultcurly

Unfortunately I can't open these links from my phone or copy them. I'll have to check on my desktop. From the website, I am guessing the articles are satire.

Unfortunately, Trump hasn't been convicted of a crime and he hasn't gone away. I was pretty sure we would have had two convicted criminals running for office and therefore we would be able to choose new candidates. Lol

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rouquinne

unfortunately, the articles are NOT satire. The Guardian article reports on Trump suggesting today that Hilary Clinton will be assassinated by 2nd amendment supporters.

the articles from The New Republic are about what the reporter witnessed at Trump rallies.

:thumbdown:

this Storified Tweet storm makes some important points:

https://storify.com/5thCircAppeals/on-trump-just-joking

multicultcurly

I'll look them up later today Rou. I heard his statement earlier today about the 2nd Amendment. He didn't say that those supporters would assassinate her, but he did seem to imply it. I agree he says inappropriate and possibly dangerous things, especially for someone running for president. It makes America look like a stupid place that he is even a candidate. As much as I would prefer someone other than Hillary, I'm voting for her because she'll make a much better president than that fool. I actually wonder if he has dementia because of his behavior.

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rouquinne

multi, you're not the first person to make the link to dementia; i wish i could remember where i saw an article earlier this year suggesting that Trump could have it, or some other serious mental disorder.

curlypearl

I'm not sure about dementia. It seems to me more likely profound narcissism to such a degree that he is unbalanced and out of touch with reality. In other words: Meglomania.

His rambling does suggest incipient dementia. ?? Oy! I can scarcely believe it - worse and worse.

multicultcurly

He's definitely a narcissist. I think he might have dementia because of his behavior. I noticed that he repeats himself at odd times during his speeches. He gets irritated and acts out of proportion to the real or perceived offense. He also seems lost during interviews. He comes off as an arrogant alcoholic, which unfortunately resembles a person who is losing the battle to dementia.

I find it hard to believe that the man who has spent most of his life as a Manhattan snob and part of the Northeast elite sounds and acts like an angry old white man from the working class south or midwest who got cheated out of an education and a decent job who blames nonwhites, white women, and everything Democratic party for his sad and unfair life. He doesn't sound suave or sane.

Even before he ran for president, his insistence that Obama wasn't born in America seemed strange. I thought that was a publicity stunt but now I think he actually believes that. However, I don't remember him being part of the group who opposed McCain's run for president, who wasn't born in the U.S. but to American parents. Ironically, Trump's wife was probably an illegal alien when he married her.

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rouquinne

18 U.S.C. § 879 : US Code - Section 879: Threats against former Presidents and certain other persons

(a) Whoever knowingly and willfully threatens to kill, kidnap, or inflict bodily harm upon -

(1) a former President or a member of the immediate family of a former President;
(2) a member of the immediate family of the President, the President-elect, the Vice President, or the Vice President-elect;
(3) a major candidate for the office of President or Vice President, or a member of the immediate family of such candidate; or
(4) a person protected by the Secret Service under section 3056(a)(6);

shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than 5 years, or both.

(b) As used in this section -

(1) the term "immediate family" means -
(A) with respect to subsection (a)(1) of this section, the wife of a former President during his lifetime, the widow of a former President until her death or remarriage, and minor children of a former President until they reach sixteen years of age; and
(B) with respect to subsection (a)(2) and (a)(3) of this section, a person to whom the President, President-elect, Vice President, Vice President-elect, or major candidate for the office of President or Vice President - (i) is related by blood, marriage, or adoption; or (ii) stands in loco parentis;

(2) the term "major candidate for the office of President or Vice President" means a candidate referred to in subsection (a)(7) of section 3056 of this title; and (3) the terms "President-elect" and "Vice President-elect" have the meanings given those terms in section 871(b) of this title.

i don't know about the rest of you, but this is pretty clear to me!

rouquinne

another great Tweet Storm about Trump's threat yesterday - unfortunately not "storified":

Caroline O. ‏@RVAwonk 18h18 hours ago
1. This is going to be a really long thread about #Trump's dangerous 2nd Amendment remarks & why they should be taken very, very seriously.

2. First, his suggestion to use the 2nd Amendment to stop @HillaryClinton fits his pattern of criminalizing dissent & political opposition.

3. #Trump & his allies have repeatedly called for HRC to be "locked up", punished & even executed b/c she is their political opponent.

4. #Trump also openly suggested ordering war crimes & opening up libel laws to punish journalists who publish critical coverage of him.

5. #Trump has suggested using the presidency to get the Justice Dept to investigate political opponents, who he labels as enemies & traitors

6. The common thread in #Trump's rhetoric & policies is that the way to overcome difficulty & dissent is through brute force.

7. When asked what he would do if the military refused his illegal torture orders, #Trump said: "They won't refuse. Believe me."

8. And for American companies that want to move production abroad? The #Trump administration will inflict unspecified “consequences.”

9. The above is just a brief summary of #Trump's obvious contempt for constitutional norms and checks & balances. Now to the next topic...

10. #Trump's comments today drive home why he needs to be defeated in an overwhelming, landslide victory. We cannot risk normalizing this.

11. Every time #Trump legitimizes the use of threats, violence, etc., he emboldens those who espouse hate to come out from the shadows.

12. We CANNOT let #Trump become normalized; doing so normalizes the hateful values he purveys & suppresses the shame they should invoke.

13. Media & society have a tendency to normalize those w/power - i.e., normalization of the GOP's idiocy simply b/c they are a major Party

14. The GOP is presented is as just "another political option" (false balance), which gave us the obstruction we have today.

15. This is how fascism comes to America - by presenting #Trump as just "another candidate" & not as the threat to democracy that he is.

16. Even if he loses, #Trump is normalizing the ideals of fascism among his supporters - hate, intolerance, state violence, abuse of power.

17. Threatening an opponent with violence is not how we settle our political differences in America. We are not Putin's Russia.

18. And the GOP has a huge role in getting us to the point where physical violence is seen as an acceptable response to political opposition

19. The GOP moved the fringe to the center; they made it impossible to have the rational discourse upon which a functional democracy rests.

20. When you construct a public discourse that lacks critical & independent thought, you destroy the foundation of an open society.

21. When you woo voters by promising to resist social change through power & force instead of compromising, #Trump is what you get.

22. And this brings us full-circle: we CANNOT allow #Trump's comments about the 2nd Amendment to be swept under the rug.

23. We cannot let #Trump's style of labeling opponents as enemies & dissenters as traitors become part of American governance or society.

24. Even if #Trump loses, his supporters will still be around. We need to make sure they know their values are wholly rejected by Americans.

25. And the way to do that is to send an overwhelming mandate at the ballot box -obliterate #Trump & every single thing he stands for.

multicultcurly

Yesterday Trump accused Obama of being the founder of Isis and Hillary as being involved. That's really sad and isn't reflective of any American political party. Saying whatever you FEEL, instead of facts, isn't why we elect people to public office, especially when someone like Trump lies repeatedly and pretends his lies are facts.

This election isn't about political ideals but about not electing a fool who doesn't care about the country. Hillary is a weak candidate with lots of faults and character flaws. However, when compared to Trump, she is the logical choice. It truly saddens me that he is even a candidate. Every day, he says something new that is reprehensible and stupid.

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pigeonca

I am currently reading David Cay Johnson's book about Trump. He should be an indicted felon on any number of charges. Lock him up!

curlypearl

To accuse Obama of being the founder of ISIS is beyond comprehension. I don't care how Trump "meant" that because he often backtracks or says that what he actually said is not what he meant. I was aghast when I heard this on tv.

I'm not rah rah about Hillary and she is a very flawed candidate but there is simply no comparison. I hang my head in shame that Trump is running for President of my country.

multicultcurly

My bff wondered if Obama could accuse him of libel or slander. (I always mix up the two.) He probably could since Trump wasn't joking and Trump isn't an entertainer in the current role. However I don't think that would help Hillary. Unfortunately he hasn't yet committed a crime. Maybe he might be convicted of fraud in the Trump University case.

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curlypearl

His whole brand is "winner." When he loses in a landslide I'm going to dance a jig.

rouquinne

i see he's blaming the media for allegedly "twisting" his words and causing his problems.

as far as i can see, they're just reporting what he says truthfully.

what a maroon!

:thumbdown:

rouquinne

another week, another new campaign manager.

we can only hope the chaos continues unabated....

rouquinne

doesn't it figure that the "alleged billionaire" is enriching himself and his family using the donations being made to the campaign:

https://news.vice.com/article/trumps-kids-are-cashing-in-on-his-campaign?utm_source=vicenewstwitter

rouquinne

hmmm.... anti-illegal-immigration? not when it suits his business purposes:

Former Models for Donald Trump's Agency Say They Violated Immigration Rules and Worked Illegally | Mother Jones

rouquinne

bribing public officials?

Pam Bondi solicited donation from Donald Trump, then dropped investigation of Trump U | Miami Herald

rouquinne

geez, some people have problems with donations, don't they?

https://www.buzzfeed.com/andrewkaczynski/records-contradict-trumps-claims-of-charitable-giving-to-a-d?utm_term=.kg792OvRD#.pd0NZeM8E

AngelaE9999

HILLARY GETS AWAY WITH VIOLATING THE ESPIONAGE ACT – FOR NOW

The FBI declares Clinton guilty, but refuses to push for charges.

rouquinne

^^^yeah, right... a libertarian web site....

AngelaE9999

rouquinne wrote: »

^^^yeah, right... a libertarian web site....

And all your sites were far-Left Liberal sites. Why should I trust them??

AngelaE9999

P.S. The Libertarians are far too Liberal for me.

AngelaE9999

Here they are: Hillary's 22 biggest scandals ever

multicultcurly

Hillary isn't the best candidate and she has a lot of questionable baggage. @Angela most people voting for Hillary are aware of this and would probably vote for someone else if the Republican candidate was a more reasonable choice.

Trump gets criticized because he is rude, ignorant of most important issues, and appears to be narcissistic and self-righteous. Hillary is a liar, but so is Trump. Hillary faced being accused of a crime but so is Trump currently (fraud for Trump University). The only things separating them are knowledge about issues and demeanor.

This was an easy win for Republicans. And this election isn't about party. It's about who appears to be the lesser of two crappy choices.

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AngelaE9999

multicultcurly wrote: »

Hillary isn't the best candidate and she has a lot of questionable baggage. @Angela most people voting for Hillary are aware of this and would probably vote for someone else if the Republican candidate was a more reasonable choice.

Trump gets criticized because he is rude, ignorant of most important issues, and appears to be narcissistic and self-righteous. Hillary is a liar, but so is Trump. Hillary faced being accused of a crime but so is Trump currently (fraud for Trump University). The only things separating them are knowledge about issues and demeanor.

This was an easy win for Republicans. And this election isn't about party. It's about who appears to be the lesser of two crappy choices.

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Hillary's crimes were violations of US Code. "Trump University" was a civil lawsuit brought about by people who weren't satisfied with the subject matter. I am an Internet Marketer; have been one since 2008. People always want to know "what I do" so they can do it too and earn money working from home. Only one person that I personally taught even attempted to do what I showed them and that person only lasted a week. This is normal stuff for these sorts of courses. You hear about Donald Trump's courses because he is well known but there are millions of other similar types of courses that people try where some succeed, but many fail. 97% of Internet Marketers fail. 97%!! The "Trump University" thing has not been declared to be a fraud by any court and even if it were, it's a civil case, not a criminal one like Hillary's crimes. Big Difference.

multicultcurly

@Angela We won't ever see eye to eye on this, and that is okay. I'm not disputing what Hillary was accused of and cleared of, the same with Trump. I have seen too much of Trump's behavior over the past decade to feel comfortable with him being president. I find it sad that he is even a candidate. He seems like a selfish, narcissistic man who is a brilliant marketer who can be bad at business because he lives off of an inheritance.

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AngelaE9999

multicultcurly wrote: »

@Angela We won't ever see eye to eye on this, and that is okay. I'm not disputing what Hillary was accused of and cleared of, the same with Trump. I have seen too much of Trump's behavior over the past decade to feel comfortable with him being president. I find it sad that he is even a candidate. He seems like a selfish, narcissistic man who is a brilliant marketer who can be bad at business because he lives off of an inheritance.

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It's really bizarre that people seemed to love Donald Trump before he started running for President. You never heard this sort of thing before last year. I like the fact that he gives as good as he gets. Finally. It's about time we get a candidate with some balls. Surely you have heard of the "Clinton Machine" and how horrible they are.

Hillary spends the entirety of her speeches denigrating Donald Trump; why isn't anyone complaining about that? CNN spends 24 hours a day of programming putting Trump down, but you're not complaining about that, either. You only get upset when it's the candidate you don't like "saying mean things". But Hillary says horrible things every time she speaks. Today, she called a bunch of us a "Basket of Deplorables" and said we're "Not America". You truly think that is okay??? Yeah, we've been being called "racist" since Obama first ran. That insult has run its course. Let it die.

Mike Pence Responds to Clinton’s ‘Basket of Deplorables’ Charge: ‘Hillary, They Are Not a Basket of Anything — They are Americans!’

Clinton walks back comments slamming Trump backers as ‘irredeemable’

multicultcurly

I knew Donald Trump was a jack*** and bad businessman long before he ran for president. I used to think it was an act, but I now think this is who he really is. I think more information is out because he's running for president and all of his flaws are on display.

Most people, including hardcore Democrats, aren't Hillary fans. I think she was held in higher regard before her holier than thou handling of being caught in lying about the email server scandal. The only reason she is doing well is because of who she is running against.

Okay. I'm going to leave it at that because you and I seem to be having two different discussions.

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