Not Impressed With DevaCurl...Should I Stil Get a Deva Cut?

ashleymcashleymc Registered Users Posts: 9 Curl Neophyte
Hi everyone! I can't believe it took me so long to find this community!

I grew up in a small town struggling to find someone who knew how to cut my hair...I found someone who at least didn't make it poofy, but I need something more!

I have 3B hair, and a lot of problems with frizz, hair feeling greasy, and awful second-day hair. I've recently begun looking into devacuts...I found a stylist with great reviews near Albany, NY and I'm thinking of ponying up the money to pay him a visit. However, I've been using my DevaCurl trial kit and find my hair to be frizzy, dry, and even greasier feeling than before...it's like I never get product out of my hair, but I barely use any product!

So, I'm worried that if I go to a devacut specialist, it will include devacurl products (he also teaches you how to style your hair at home), which I don't like on my hair. Should I still visit one, or will I not get as great of a result?

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  • BelleBohemienneBelleBohemienne Registered Users Posts: 375 Curl Neophyte
    I got a deva cut a few years back and my stylist did use the products. I wasn't too thrilled with the cut or the products. I do want to try it one more time before I completely write it off though.

    Anyway, you can try bringing your own products from home to see if he'll use those. On second thought, maybe you should call and ask if it's ok to do that. Or you could just grin and bear it for one day. The products are not bad for your hair and should wash out fine. It is just one day then you go home and rinse it out and do your hair yourself.

    By the way, why didn't you go the whole 9 and make an appointment with *the* Lorraine Massey? Her salon is in Manhattan, I think?

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  • SereneCurlsSereneCurls Registered Users Posts: 1,145 Curl Neophyte
    I love my Deva cut, but my hair's not really a fan of the products. I think there are far more people who have had success with the cut than the products, just from what I've read. There's a before and after Deva cuts thread kicking around this subforum somewhere.


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  • ashleymcashleymc Registered Users Posts: 9 Curl Neophyte
    I've thought about waiting until my next trip to Manhattan, but they're usually last minute and it costs quite a bit to just take the train in purposefully...the place I'm considering going is Moisture Salon, which is owned/run by someone who studied under Lorraine. He has some pretty great reviews.

    I actually don't have any products that I've really fallen in love with....I'm about to go searching the forums for those, as well as to continue looking at Deva Cuts!
  • bringingcurliesback?bringingcurliesback? Registered Users Posts: 1,317 Curl Connoisseur
    I agree the cut tends to have more success across the board (lol we're technically on the boards right now) than the products do. I think it's because of the glycerin, wheat protein and/or the hops for most people. I personally think they can be overrated. There are plenty of terrible cuts that are devacuts and some amazing ones that aren't deva/deva inspired. I always found that a first or second deva cut goes awesome and after I go back from having them onward they just aren't my thing. There are just so many factors though. I say give it a whirl girls, you might just come out with some poppin curls.

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  • Corrina777Corrina777 Registered Users Posts: 3,204 Curl Connoisseur
    I got my first deva cut three and a half years ago and would never go back to a traditional cut. As with anything, the key is finding a good stylist. I highly recommend checking out Curly Hair Artistry for a list of stylists, especially if you're not a fan of Deva products. These stylists use multiple product lines and many will modify the deva cutting technique based on your hair.
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  • rbbrbb Registered Users Posts: 4,357 Curl Connoisseur
    i've had nothing but deva cuts for the past 9 years and still constantly am getting compliments.

    as far as the products go -- at the same time i started cg with deva products which my hair loved. then around 2009-2010 deva changed most, if not all, of the formulas and my hair hated them, gave me the worst hair i had since going cg.

    so, i love the deva cut and will continue with it and do not like the products. my stylist no longer uses deva products but when he did i brought my own products with me. not a problem. worst case scenario, you go home and wash the products out. the cut will be with you for some time.

    stylists, deva or otherwise, are each different. you cannot base one on the other, many are deva trained and are great, others not so good. same with untrained stylists, some great, some terrible. but i think it's worth the effort to find a stylist who can work with your hair.

    let us know what you decide.

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  • eche428eche428 Registered Users Posts: 2,782 Curl Connoisseur
    I have to agree with everyone else. The cut you get depends completely on the stylist. I've had two cuts by Deva trained stylists and have been completely happy with both. But my hair hates the Deva line of products. The salon I go to has started carrying other curly product lines (like MopTop) because they've gotten so much negative feedback from clients who have bad reactions to it, everything from just bad looking hair to allergic reactions.
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  • SereneCurlsSereneCurls Registered Users Posts: 1,145 Curl Neophyte
    Yes it totally does depend on the stylist. Also, for me at least, it probably has to do with the fact that most of the cuts I'd had previously were bad. I had resorted to long all one length hair because it was harder for stylists to screw up. There are good stylists who don't use the Deva methods, I just hadn't met any yet. There are also bad Deva stylists, but thankfully I haven't met those yet either. If you're unsure, you could always book a consultation and see if you and the stylist have a meeting of the minds.


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    Low poo: Giovanni 50 50
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    Stylers: cjpp, re : coil, kccc, brhg
    Oils: coconut, argan
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  • bringingcurliesback?bringingcurliesback? Registered Users Posts: 1,317 Curl Connoisseur
    Yes it totally does depend on the stylist. Also, for me at least, it probably has to do with the fact that most of the cuts I'd had previously were bad. I had resorted to long all one length hair because it was harder for stylists to screw up. There are good stylists who don't use the Deva methods, I just hadn't met any yet. There are also bad Deva stylists, but thankfully I haven't met those yet either. If you're unsure, you could always book a consultation and see if you and the stylist have a meeting of the minds.


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    It's funny you mention that SereneCurls, I'm currently growing my hair out close to one length pretty much. I just haven't really had it like that and had it curly. I think I've gotten so far with growing it out that I might as well see what happens. I find when my hair is shorter, deva cuts will look more consistently awesome. When it gets longer and shaped things get wonky even when you ask for blunt ends. From my internet research, I've found most people with longer hair and deva cuts tend to have a similiar style going on. I have hundreds of pictures of curly hair (short, long, all sorts of colors) in my phone which are deva and not deva. They are all amazing. Like we've mentioned, stylists, individual hair, the specific cut, the way it's styled that day etc., and so many other things need to be taken into account. The great thing is that hair grows so I would definitely consider trying it out atleast. Once I'm sick of the long hair, I would love to get a cute bob and go Deva when I do. I'm already getting there though lol.
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  • SereneCurlsSereneCurls Registered Users Posts: 1,145 Curl Neophyte
    The all one length hair was great for braids, and I do love braids. They're what I miss most about my long hair. I just did things the opposite way from you, lol. I had the long hair all through my teens and twenties, and was always too scared to have my hair cut short. I wanted to see how much curl I could manage to get out of my hair, so the Deva cut has helped with that. Oh I also thought of another point, if you go back and forth between straightening and wearing your hair natural, a Deva cut probably won't work so well. I suspect if I straightened mine it might look like my nephew hacked at it with the scissors.


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    Low poo: Giovanni 50 50
    Co-wash: aia, suave coconut, salon care
    R O: Tresume Naturals, gvpcb
    L I: KCKT, gvpcb
    Stylers: cjpp, re : coil, kccc, brhg
    Oils: coconut, argan
    Experimenting with: curls rock amplifier, pantene mousse
  • JunyJuJunyJu Registered Users Posts: 495 Curl Neophyte
    I have some friends who have curly hair who I've recently learned have used Deva in the past. When I told them that's what I use they were shocked it worked so well for me, because they said it made theirs greasy as well. I'm gonna go out on a limb here and suggest that perhaps it's just better for drier types? My hair is always *super* thirsty, and it sucks Deva right up happily. My friends have looser curls and oilier hair, and didn't have good results with it. I think Deva might just be too much for looser curls and/or hair that is prone to be oily and not dry.

    The cut is different from the products, so I wouldn't judge it based off of that alone. It's also just a matter of your stylist and their experience. I've seen different Deva stylists use the same techniques but get very different results on the same hair type. Also, many stylists will let you use your own products and bring them in the day of your cut if you'd prefer that! Someone once told me to mention allergies for this, but I'm sure you wouldn't have to do all of that. Just say you like your products better/would prefer to use your own! :)
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  • curlypearlcurlypearl Registered Users Posts: 12,231 Curl Connoisseur
    JunyJu your hair is SO pretty. I'm sure it inspires a lot of curlies! Hope you are enjoying college and life in general.
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  • ashleymcashleymc Registered Users Posts: 9 Curl Neophyte
    Thanks for the replies, everyone!

    I, too, have my hair long and one-length at this time. It's getting stringy at the ends and basically awful. I'd really like to cut it shorter again. Unfortunately, the stylist I was planning on seeing is on vacation all month!! I'm looking into a different option a bit further away, but I'm nervous about seeing someone who doesn't have as many great reviews and doesn't seem to be as specialized in curly hair.
  • ashleymcashleymc Registered Users Posts: 9 Curl Neophyte
    Corrina777 wrote: »
    I got my first deva cut three and a half years ago and would never go back to a traditional cut. As with anything, the key is finding a good stylist. I highly recommend checking out Curly Hair Artistry for a list of stylists, especially if you're not a fan of Deva products. These stylists use multiple product lines and many will modify the deva cutting technique based on your hair.

    Just looked into that and the only artist in my area is the one that has no openings for almost two months! I really wanted to go to him, too. Arg.

    I think my biggest problems are the frizz and the way my hair poofs out after I've slept on it. If I could find a line of products that cut that down, I'd be so much more willing to get different cuts.
  • SortaRicanSortaRican Registered Users Posts: 310
    I love my deva cut but I don't care so much for the products. When I get my hair cut I usually just let my stylist use her products (usually DevaCurl) and then when I get home or the next morning I just wash them out. There is probably still some DevaCurl residue but it doesn't seem to make a difference once I use my products. I've thought of taking my own products and I don't' think she would mind because she is always asking me what products I'm using however, since my appts are usually in the evening after work I just go strictly for the cut/color and then worry about styling it the next day. It's always a pleasant surprise the next day when I can see exactly what it looks like.

    I agree with what most people are saying, if you are completely against a stylist using DevaCurl on your hair then I would recommend bringing your own products.If you are open to a stylist using the DevaCurl I say get the full experience for your first devacut. If you don't like it you can just wash it out. My first cut I thought I loved DevaCurl products but quickly learned that it was the technique that I loved and that there were other products out there that were less expensive but that's just me.
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