Help with curl definiton

BosslaydeeBosslaydee Registered Users Posts: 28
So i have attached a couple pictures of my hair with dye in it. [excuse the weird parting lol] but this is how my curls look when it also has henna in it. now, it NEVER styles like this. after it dries even with gel in it, it goes really puffy.. its embarrassing cuz ts cute when i leave the house. how do i get my hair to stay like this? i cant possibly leave henna or dye on my hair for days on end lol

any help would be much appreciated, stories even more welcome :smilebox:
:toothy4:4a/3c mix.:toothy4:

BC: 09/28/12 :occasion9:
growing everyday.

one step at a time.. :sleepy3:
SL / APL / BSL / MBL / WL


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  • adthomasadthomas Registered Users Posts: 5,525 Curl Neophyte
    Honestly it's not going to look exactly the same because of the weight pulling it down.I think the number one key to curl definition for those who have defined curl is to put in and retain moisture in the hair. The styler gets to hold the style. the style. I personally have to use a leave in. The tricky thing is figuring out which one works best for your hair and for me that changes slightly with the weather. I go between Tresemme and Jane Carter spray. you might actually try the loc method to see how that works for you.Also look at ingredients. I have to ease off a lot of humectants this time of year.
    Yes, it's real. No, you can't touch it. :wav:
  • BosslaydeeBosslaydee Registered Users Posts: 28
    adthomas wrote: »
    Honestly it's not going to look exactly the same because of the weight pulling it down.I think the number one key to curl definition for those who have defined curl is to put in and retain moisture in the hair. The styler gets to hold the style. the style. I personally have to use a leave in. The tricky thing is figuring out which one works best for your hair and for me that changes slightly with the weather. I go between Tresemme and Jane Carter spray. you might actually try the loc method to see how that works for you.Also look at ingredients. I have to ease off a lot of humectants this time of year.
    Ok. That makes sense. The dye and henna is definitely heavy. Unfortunate that there's isn't something that works like that to help with clumping. Yeah I read another thread you were discussing and you had told a woman to spot treat her hair cuz each section is different so it MAY need different treatment. Do you have any recommendations for what you use on your 3c and for your 4a? Also how to make the silky parts at the nape match everything else?
    :toothy4:4a/3c mix.:toothy4:

    BC: 09/28/12 :occasion9:
    growing everyday.

    one step at a time.. :sleepy3:
    SL / APL / BSL / MBL / WL


  • adthomasadthomas Registered Users Posts: 5,525 Curl Neophyte
    Bosslaydee wrote: »
    adthomas wrote: »
    Honestly it's not going to look exactly the same because of the weight pulling it down.I think the number one key to curl definition for those who have defined curl is to put in and retain moisture in the hair. The styler gets to hold the style. the style. I personally have to use a leave in. The tricky thing is figuring out which one works best for your hair and for me that changes slightly with the weather. I go between Tresemme and Jane Carter spray. you might actually try the loc method to see how that works for you.Also look at ingredients. I have to ease off a lot of humectants this time of year.
    Ok. That makes sense. The dye and henna is definitely heavy. Unfortunate that there's isn't something that works like that to help with clumping. Yeah I read another thread you were discussing and you had told a woman to spot treat her hair cuz each section is different so it MAY need different treatment. Do you have any recommendations for what you use on your 3c and for your 4a? Also how to make the silky parts at the nape match everything else?

    For me I don't necessarily use a different leave during the same application.. I just use more or less of it depending on the section. My area close to the crown is the dryest most tangle prone so I have to apply more li where my nape doesn't like or require as much product so I use less. But when I use something I generally use it throughout my head. Also it can go beyond hair type. I'm low porosity so I do certain thing to help get moisture in. #1 is heat. I do a hot oil prepoo before a shampoo or rinse my hair in warm water for about for minutes before starting the cowashing process. It helps open my cuticles to receive moisture. Also soaking wet styling doesn't work for me because mt hair is like a full sponge so it wnon't absorb. I have to blot water out of my hair before applying my li.. For my hair moisturization =clumping. Some people who thought they were 4b find out they are 4a once they figure out how to get moisture in their hair. Although of course not the case for everyone..
    I don't try to match my nape for silkiness but I do try to get a consistant pattern with the rest which has much greater shrinkage so it look like a mullet. . So far the only remedies I have found are cutting or twisting and putting it on small perm rods to create tighter curls.
    Yes, it's real. No, you can't touch it. :wav:
  • coracora Registered Users Posts: 456
    I think there are two methods you should check out on Youtube that might give you the results you are looking for. 1) Shingling--I'd look up Miss Jessie's demonstration of shingling since they are sort of the originators and 2) Anthony Dickey's method for a wash and go.


    I hope these help.
  • CurlySiaCurlySia Registered Users Posts: 164
    I agree with getting moisture into the hair. Recently I was having issues with my hair retaining moisture which led to frizz or my curls not clumping and looking stringy.

    I tried the Max Hydration Method this week and had always put it off because it's so time consuming. But I was desperate (plus, I want to henna soon and am concerned because I hear it can be drying and that's the last thing my hair needs). It was worth it! I left each step on for 20 - 30 minutes, except for the clay mask, which I left on for 45 minutes.

    Then I put in my leave-in (diluted, per instructions) and was able to apply gel using the praying hands technique for the first time ever. Usually my curls freak out when I do that and start to puff up and separate, but this time they sprang back in clumps. I had a 3 day wash n go with lots of movement. The only thing is I didn't have a much volume and was constantly fluffing my hair throughout the day, but I'll take less volume for more moisture.
    4a / 3c fine texture, low and normal porosity
    washing/cowashing, conditioning: devacurl decadence one condition, hair rules quench, as i am coconut cowash, curl junkie daily fix, curl rehab
    leave in: curl junkie smoothing lotion, hawaiian silky 14 in 1, hair rules quench, as i am, camille rose fresh curl
    styling: hair rules curly whip, camille rose curl maker
    sealants: oil rinse with Africa's Best Herbal Oil, Soultanicals Knot Dressing, bekura palm tapioca or jane carter nourish & shine
  • BosslaydeeBosslaydee Registered Users Posts: 28
    cora wrote: »
    I think there are two methods you should check out on Youtube that might give you the results you are looking for. 1) Shingling--I'd look up Miss Jessie's demonstration of shingling since they are sort of the originators and 2) Anthony Dickey's method for a wash and go.


    I hope these help.

    I know about shingling and it helps a little but not by a lot. I will definitely look up the Anthony dickey method though. Thank you!
    :toothy4:4a/3c mix.:toothy4:

    BC: 09/28/12 :occasion9:
    growing everyday.

    one step at a time.. :sleepy3:
    SL / APL / BSL / MBL / WL


  • BosslaydeeBosslaydee Registered Users Posts: 28
    CurlySia wrote: »
    I agree with getting moisture into the hair. Recently I was having issues with my hair retaining moisture which led to frizz or my curls not clumping and looking stringy.

    I tried the Max Hydration Method this week and had always put it off because it's so time consuming. But I was desperate (plus, I want to henna soon and am concerned because I hear it can be drying and that's the last thing my hair needs). It was worth it! I left each step on for 20 - 30 minutes, except for the clay mask, which I left on for 45 minutes.

    Then I put in my leave-in (diluted, per instructions) and was able to apply gel using the praying hands technique for the first time ever. Usually my curls freak out when I do that and start to puff up and separate, but this time they sprang back in clumps. I had a 3 day wash n go with lots of movement. The only thing is I didn't have a much volume and was constantly fluffing my hair throughout the day, but I'll take less volume for more moisture.

    Yeah I'm definitely looking into getting the supplies to try the MHM but it definitely looks time consuming. I've found some great redone regimens like doing it twice a week. so hopefully I can actually do this for a month to see lasting results.
    :toothy4:4a/3c mix.:toothy4:

    BC: 09/28/12 :occasion9:
    growing everyday.

    one step at a time.. :sleepy3:
    SL / APL / BSL / MBL / WL


  • voluptucurlvoluptucurl Registered Users Posts: 74 Curl Neophyte
    Bosslaydee wrote: »
    CurlySia wrote: »
    I agree with getting moisture into the hair. Recently I was having issues with my hair retaining moisture which led to frizz or my curls not clumping and looking stringy.

    I tried the Max Hydration Method this week and had always put it off because it's so time consuming. But I was desperate (plus, I want to henna soon and am concerned because I hear it can be drying and that's the last thing my hair needs). It was worth it! I left each step on for 20 - 30 minutes, except for the clay mask, which I left on for 45 minutes.

    Then I put in my leave-in (diluted, per instructions) and was able to apply gel using the praying hands technique for the first time ever. Usually my curls freak out when I do that and start to puff up and separate, but this time they sprang back in clumps. I had a 3 day wash n go with lots of movement. The only thing is I didn't have a much volume and was constantly fluffing my hair throughout the day, but I'll take less volume for more moisture.

    Yeah I'm definitely looking into getting the supplies to try the MHM but it definitely looks time consuming. I've found some great redone regimens like doing it twice a week. so hopefully I can actually do this for a month to see lasting results.

    I saw two videos about modifying the max-hydration method so it's easier and faster:
    I was going to do the MHM, but I decided to just use my own clay wash followed by watered-down conditioner and then gel (I use gel only if I decide to do a wash and go; otherwise, I just do protective twists). The clay wash alone makes an immediate difference for me.
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  • scrillsscrills Registered Users Posts: 6,700
    What styling products are you using?
  • GlamourstruckkGlamourstruckk Registered Users Posts: 312 Curl Connoisseur
    You may need to add more conditioner or water to weigh your hair down before setting it with gel. My hair was the same way. I follow MHM and it really isn't as time consuming as people think. MHM aside, adding more conditioner and styling soaking wet hair has increased my curl definition.

    Good luck!

    Kayla

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  • CurlySiaCurlySia Registered Users Posts: 164
    I agree, Glamourstruckk. The conditioner diluted with water is my favorite takeaway from the MHM to use solo. That's the only way I apply my leave-in now.
    4a / 3c fine texture, low and normal porosity
    washing/cowashing, conditioning: devacurl decadence one condition, hair rules quench, as i am coconut cowash, curl junkie daily fix, curl rehab
    leave in: curl junkie smoothing lotion, hawaiian silky 14 in 1, hair rules quench, as i am, camille rose fresh curl
    styling: hair rules curly whip, camille rose curl maker
    sealants: oil rinse with Africa's Best Herbal Oil, Soultanicals Knot Dressing, bekura palm tapioca or jane carter nourish & shine
  • BosslaydeeBosslaydee Registered Users Posts: 28
    CurlySia wrote: »
    I agree, Glamourstruckk. The conditioner diluted with water is my favorite takeaway from the MHM to use solo. That's the only way I apply my leave-in now.
    ive been doing the mhm since just after my last post, so late july, and ive been seeing a difference. BUT i cannot for the life of me get my roots to stay defined. they get frizzy immediately. i dont know what to do, its so frustrating. i do the baking soda clarify, then the clay, then the watered down conditioner. DEFINITELY like diluting the conditioner more than just using it straight.
    im about to give up on these roots though. like, ive tried a handful of gels and nothings working.
    :toothy4:4a/3c mix.:toothy4:

    BC: 09/28/12 :occasion9:
    growing everyday.

    one step at a time.. :sleepy3:
    SL / APL / BSL / MBL / WL


  • LanteyahLanteyah Registered Users Posts: 3
    I use flaxseed gel. And instead of doing rows, I just sleek the hair back. Smoothing it with my fingers then dry it without a diffuser.

    Diffuser makes my hair frizzy

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