*ADULT* CNN reports "ISIS" flag at Gay Pride *Thread is now about many other topics*

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  • DedachanDedachan Curl Neophyte Posts: 1,644Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    I don't know about those sex toys but ISIS sure do have a stick up their *ss.
  • rouquinnerouquinne Curl Connoisseur Posts: 13,737Registered Users Curl Connoisseur
    i saw that on Twitter this weekend and almost choked laughing...

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  • AngelaE8654AngelaE8654 Curl Neophyte Posts: 1,099Banned Users Curl Neophyte
    So is it supposed to be a "plug" against ISIS or is there a deeper meaning? It wouldn't surprise me that ISIS would show up to these events; there are a lot of people at them. I understand that a lot of them were quickly planned but we need to remember that there are some people out there who want to hurt us.
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  • rouquinnerouquinne Curl Connoisseur Posts: 13,737Registered Users Curl Connoisseur
    ^^^^are you for real?

    most of these BIG gay pride parades are planned MONTHS in advance! and this is the one in London, England. if ISIS wanted to hurt anyone at this event, they would have had ages to plan and probably would've sent suicide bombers in.

    *sheesh*

    plus, i can't see Muslim extremists going anywhere NEAR that many queer folk. they'd probably be afraid of getting cooties or something...

    wow!

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  • AngelaE8654AngelaE8654 Curl Neophyte Posts: 1,099Banned Users Curl Neophyte
    rouquinne wrote: »
    ^^^^are you for real?

    most of these BIG gay pride parades are planned MONTHS in advance! and this is the one in London, England. if ISIS wanted to hurt anyone at this event, they would have had ages to plan and probably would've sent suicide bombers in.

    *sheesh*

    plus, i can't see Muslim extremists going anywhere NEAR that many queer folk. they'd probably be afraid of getting cooties or something...

    wow!

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    "Most" of them are planned ahead. However, many of these events happened right after the Supreme Court ruling. I'm sure there was planning "just in case", though. I don't think we should be afraid to do the things we would normally do because of ISIS, I just think we need to be aware that they COULD be near. Extreme Muslims HATE gay people and want to hurt or kill them. In Iran, they are giving gay people sex change surgery. This is not "elective" surgery, this is forced. This is better than throwing gay people off rooftops, which is what Muslims in other countries are doing. Muslims would like to exterminate the "gay population" and we need to be aware of that.


    Everybody always claims that we Christians hate gay people but most of us don't hate them or anybody else. The gay people I've met in my life I've liked a lot. They have been phenomenal people. One very close friend (who has been my friend for over 30 years) is gay and he's a very, very good man. My religion teaches against homosexuality, but opposed to Extreme Muslim, my religion does not teach that we should hurt anyone. My viewpoint on the "gay issue" is that on a personal level, I couldn't care less what two adults are doing at home. If I want to focus my efforts on something, I will be focusing more of my efforts on things like keeping my life/home more organized. I have enough of my own stuff to worry about. Because my religion teaches against it, I won't be calling gay marriage "fine" but far be it from me to poke my nose into some other adult's life. I just don't care enough to want to do that.

    My sister worked very hard to get a Master's Degree and is a Social Worker for Child Protective Service. If I wanted to be an "activist" about something, I'd be active in helping abused or neglected children. I believe that my sister sees the worst of society. It doesn't get any worse than hurting a young child. My sister can't talk about any of her cases, of course, but I've been alive long enough to know what kind of stuff she has to get involved in. If I want to be "active" with something, it would be to help children have a decent life, not trying to make some gay person's life miserable.

    Okay, I'll get off my soapbox now. :D :D :D
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  • eche428eche428 Curl Neophyte Posts: 2,782Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    I ***think*** Rouquinne was saying "are you for real" because you made it sound like you thought it really was an ISIS flag. At least that's what I thought you meant. It's a flag made specifically for the gay pride parade covered with silhouettes of dildos and butt plugs. LOL! :tongue10:
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  • AngelaE8654AngelaE8654 Curl Neophyte Posts: 1,099Banned Users Curl Neophyte
    eche428 wrote: »
    I ***think*** Rouquinne was saying "are you for real" because you made it sound like you thought it really was an ISIS flag. At least that's what I thought you meant. It's a flag made specifically for the gay pride parade covered with silhouettes of dildos and butt plugs. LOL! :tongue10:

    Actually, Rouquinne tends to take exception to pretty much anything I post here in this section. If you look at her history, you'll see several relatively aggressive posts addressed to me. I have never "seen" this person here before that time so I am not sure what the "agenda" is all about but this is par-for-the-course for this particular poster.
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  • butter52butter52 Posts: 292Registered Users
    LOL
    CNN so naive..

    Angela, Roquines comment was because of the quickly planned thing. London Pride ( or any Pride) has nothing to do with the supreme court of the USA. Is an annual event in London, its not "many of these events". Just like winning a worldcup has nothing to do with the 4th of juñy parade.

    On the off topic: The thing about Iran I dont know where you got it from. But from what I know Iran has been very open to transgender transitions way before western Europe. It has nothing to do with the ban of homosexuality. Nor does Iran have anything to do with ISIS.

    Also the point of Pride is to show pride and not to fall under opression of society and religion. Pride wont stop because of some lunatics. It is about freedom.
  • AngelaE8654AngelaE8654 Curl Neophyte Posts: 1,099Banned Users Curl Neophyte
    butter52 wrote: »


    On the off topic: The thing about Iran I dont know where you got it from. But from what I know Iran has been very open to transgender transitions way before western Europe. It has nothing to do with the ban of homosexuality. Nor does Iran have anything to do with ISIS.

    Here is where I got that from. And I didn't say Iran had anything to do with ISIS. Where did you get that from? But Muslims do NOT like gay people and treat them terribly; many times killing them. This is a well known fact.

    State Dept Calls Iran's Forced Trans Surgeries 'Confirmation' | The Daily Caller
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  • AmnerisAmneris Posts: 15,117Registered Users
    butter52 wrote: »


    On the off topic: The thing about Iran I dont know where you got it from. But from what I know Iran has been very open to transgender transitions way before western Europe. It has nothing to do with the ban of homosexuality. Nor does Iran have anything to do with ISIS.

    Here is where I got that from. And I didn't say Iran had anything to do with ISIS. Where did you get that from? But Muslims do NOT like gay people and treat them terribly; many times killing them. This is a well known fact.

    State Dept Calls Iran's Forced Trans Surgeries 'Confirmation' | The Daily Caller


    That's a generalization about "Muslims." There are many sects of Islam. Muslims are also not the only ones who treat gays terribly and kill them. Christians in Jamaica, Uganda etc. do so also. (Not to mention there are some in the US, etc. who also preach hatred of homosexuals.)
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  • AngelaE8654AngelaE8654 Curl Neophyte Posts: 1,099Banned Users Curl Neophyte
    From the article:
    Many apologists have attempted to shift the blame for this Muslim hostility towards homosexuality onto "the adoption of European Victorian attitudes by the new Westernized elite."[4]

    However, this explanation falls short. Within the context of Islamic thought, this attitude originated from the Prophet Muhammad, and since he is considered by all mainstream Muslims to be the Uswa Hasana (the perfect example) we find that the majority of Muslims still consider this harsh treatment of homosexuals to be justified.

    Islam and Homosexuality - WikiIslam

    What Does Islam Say About Homosexuality?

    It is wrong for anyone to "preach hatred" toward any other person. I am a Christian and was raised in the Church but have never experienced this "preaching of hate". I know some gay people and I like them a lot. They are fine, upstanding people. My personal beliefs about their lifestyle are something I will keep to myself unless asked; they are adults and as such, are free to make their own decisions. Those who know I am a Christian already know my beliefs on their lifestyle. If I am asked to vote on gay marriage or something, I will vote my conscience. But I will NEVER act in hate toward any other human being.
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  • AmnerisAmneris Posts: 15,117Registered Users
    From the article:
    Many apologists have attempted to shift the blame for this Muslim hostility towards homosexuality onto "the adoption of European Victorian attitudes by the new Westernized elite."[4]

    However, this explanation falls short. Within the context of Islamic thought, this attitude originated from the Prophet Muhammad, and since he is considered by all mainstream Muslims to be the Uswa Hasana (the perfect example) we find that the majority of Muslims still consider this harsh treatment of homosexuals to be justified.
    Islam and Homosexuality - WikiIslam

    What Does Islam Say About Homosexuality?

    It is wrong for anyone to "preach hatred" toward any other person. I am a Christian and was raised in the Church but have never experienced this "preaching of hate". I know some gay people and I like them a lot. They are fine, upstanding people. My personal beliefs about their lifestyle are something I will keep to myself unless asked; they are adults and as such, are free to make their own decisions. Those who know I am a Christian already know my beliefs on their lifestyle. If I am asked to vote on gay marriage or something, I will vote my conscience. But I will NEVER act in hate toward any other human being.


    It may not be "hatred", but having "beliefs on their lifestyle" could be a form of viewing them as inferior or lesser, which opens the door for others to hate them as a result.
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  • AngelaE8654AngelaE8654 Curl Neophyte Posts: 1,099Banned Users Curl Neophyte
    Amneris wrote: »


    It may not be "hatred", but having "beliefs on their lifestyle" could be a form of viewing them as inferior or lesser, which opens the door for others to hate them as a result.

    If you're referring to my own beliefs, that is purely conjecture. I would never view any other human being as inferior or lesser nor would I condone hating people under any circumstances. However, I have Freedom of Religion here in the United States and I am allowed to have my beliefs and can have them without the expectation of harassment or people assuming that because I believe a particular way, I condone the hatred or mistreatment of anyone. This is the sort of viewpoint that causes division. How is this sort of thought any different from someone believing that because a person is a particular color and grew up in the inner city that he or she is likely a "thug"? To me, this sort of thought is equivalent to other types of prejudice we've seen in our country. And yes, I do mean Prejudice. Prejudice means to "pre judge" someone or something and that is what is happening with this particular train of thought.
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  • AmnerisAmneris Posts: 15,117Registered Users
    Amneris wrote: »


    It may not be "hatred", but having "beliefs on their lifestyle" could be a form of viewing them as inferior or lesser, which opens the door for others to hate them as a result.

    If you're referring to my own beliefs, that is purely conjecture. I would never view any other human being as inferior or lesser nor would I condone hating people under any circumstances. However, I have Freedom of Religion here in the United States and I am allowed to have my beliefs and can have them without the expectation of harassment or people assuming that because I believe a particular way, I condone the hatred or mistreatment of anyone. This is the sort of viewpoint that causes division. How is this sort of thought any different from someone believing that because a person is a particular color and grew up in the inner city that he or she is likely a "thug"? To me, this sort of thought is equivalent to other types of prejudice we've seen in our country. And yes, I do mean Prejudice. Prejudice means to "pre judge" someone or something and that is what is happening with this particular train of thought.


    I'm speaking in generalities, but if people say they have "beliefs" which involve the idea that they're "not fine" with gay marriage, or have "beliefs" on a particular lifestyle (which I believe you did say) then this is where the division is - it creates a division between hetero marriage and gay marriage and hetero lifestyles and gay lifestyles, placing one above the other. I don't know how someone can say that they believe it is wrong for one group of people to get married but not another, and then say they're not prejudiced and don't contribute to hate.


    This is nothing like race prejudice or other prejudices. There is no right to be free of discrimination for "people who don't agree with the lifestyle" - "people who don't agree with the gay lifestyle" aren't the same as gay people or people of colour.
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  • AngelaE8654AngelaE8654 Curl Neophyte Posts: 1,099Banned Users Curl Neophyte
    Amneris wrote: »
    I'm speaking in generalities, but if people say they have "beliefs" which involve the idea that they're "not fine" with gay marriage, or have "beliefs" on a particular lifestyle (which I believe you did say) then this is where the division is - it creates a division between hetero marriage and gay marriage and hetero lifestyles and gay lifestyles, placing one above the other. I don't know how someone can say that they believe it is wrong for one group of people to get married but not another, and then say they're not prejudiced and don't contribute to hate.


    This is nothing like race prejudice or other prejudices. There is no right to be free of discrimination for "people who don't agree with the lifestyle" - "people who don't agree with the gay lifestyle" aren't the same as gay people or people of colour.

    So people whose religious beliefs teach them that homosexuality is not a moral way to live automatically place one type of situation "over" another? Not true. Personally, I couldn't care less about how two other adults are living or what type of contracts they have with another adult or what they do at home in private. I have plenty of my own stuff to worry about. Someday when my life is 100% organized, perhaps I will be in a place to think about other stuff; but that's probably never going to happen. Hasn't happened yet, and I'll be 50 next year. I've got plenty to do that will make my own life easier. I have absolutely no inclination to be worrying about someone else's life. Believe it or not, I actually have some very close friends who are gay.

    However, I will not turn my back on my religious beliefs. There is a reason they are called "beliefs" and not "assumptions". That's because when people believe in something, they wholeheartedly believe in it. It becomes a portion of who they are. Along with adults in the United States that have made the decision to marry a person of their same gender, there are also adults who have deeply held religious convictions. Now, the gay people do not want the religious people to "do away" with what they want to do and how they want to live; how is it right for people to try to "do away" with religious convictions that some adults hold?? Assuming that these beliefs will automatically lead to "hate" is pre-judging (and is incorrect) and yes, that is a PREJUDICED way of thinking.

    While gay people in the United States can marry, I can still attend my church and worship my God. How is it that we cannot live peacefully together, just because we see things differently??

    P.S. Discounting prejudice against one person as "not being the same" or "not being as bad" as prejudice another has suffered is a straw man argument.
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  • AmnerisAmneris Posts: 15,117Registered Users
    Amneris wrote: »
    I'm speaking in generalities, but if people say they have "beliefs" which involve the idea that they're "not fine" with gay marriage, or have "beliefs" on a particular lifestyle (which I believe you did say) then this is where the division is - it creates a division between hetero marriage and gay marriage and hetero lifestyles and gay lifestyles, placing one above the other. I don't know how someone can say that they believe it is wrong for one group of people to get married but not another, and then say they're not prejudiced and don't contribute to hate.


    This is nothing like race prejudice or other prejudices. There is no right to be free of discrimination for "people who don't agree with the lifestyle" - "people who don't agree with the gay lifestyle" aren't the same as gay people or people of colour.

    So people whose religious beliefs teach them that homosexuality is not a moral way to live automatically place one type of situation "over" another? Not true. Personally, I couldn't care less about how two other adults are living or what type of contracts they have with another adult or what they do at home in private. I have plenty of my own stuff to worry about. Someday when my life is 100% organized, perhaps I will be in a place to think about other stuff; but that's probably never going to happen. Hasn't happened yet, and I'll be 50 next year. I've got plenty to do that will make my own life easier. I have absolutely no inclination to be worrying about someone else's life. Believe it or not, I actually have some very close friends who are gay.

    However, I will not turn my back on my religious beliefs. There is a reason they are called "beliefs" and not "assumptions". That's because when people believe in something, they wholeheartedly believe in it. It becomes a portion of who they are. Along with adults in the United States that have made the decision to marry a person of their same gender, there are also adults who have deeply held religious convictions. Now, the gay people do not want the religious people to "do away" with what they want to do and how they want to live; how is it right for people to try to "do away" with religious convictions that some adults hold?? Assuming that these beliefs will automatically lead to "hate" is pre-judging (and is incorrect) and yes, that is a PREJUDICED way of thinking.

    While gay people in the United States can marry, I can still attend my church and worship my God. How is it that we cannot live peacefully together, just because we see things differently??

    P.S. Discounting prejudice against one person as "not being the same" or "not being as bad" as prejudice another has suffered is a straw man argument.


    Let me break it down.


    Someone who says "homosexuality is not a moral way to live" is clearly saying "heterosexuality is a moral way to live." That means they think heterosexuality is better than homosexuality. Why single out homosexuality otherwise?


    No one is trying to do away with anything that someone thinks in their head, but it doesn't mean that "it's my religious belief" justifies any kind of thought.


    It is very, very tiresome when people use their religious beliefs as excuses for prejudices and then claim they are being discriminated against if called on their prejudices.


    And I fully admit that I used to believe "homosexuality is not a moral way to live." I was raised to believe this and used to vigorously defend my right to believe that as part of religious freedom. I now see the fallacy and the hurtfulness of that attitude.
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  • spiderlashes5000spiderlashes5000 Curl Virtuoso Posts: 17,898Registered Users Curl Virtuoso
    Amneris wrote: »

    Someone who says "homosexuality is not a moral way to live" is clearly saying "heterosexuality is a moral way to live." That means they think heterosexuality is better than homosexuality. Why single out homosexuality otherwise?

    Not necessarily. We are ALL guilty of sin. The Bible says we can never be good enough or moral enough to earn salvation on our own merits. That applies to ALL of us. Many sins are named/described in the Bible. And they are what they are. But IMO they're not there to make anyone feel badly or be considered inferior. But rather they are there to remind us all of our sinful nature and why we need Jesus for salvation. Some of us can be realistic about what the Bible says without feeling self righteous or trying to hurt or oppress anyone.

    And there are lots of ways for heterosexuals to be sinful and separated from Christ! Simply acknowledging a homosexual lifestyle (or whatever) as a sin doesn't mean the person acknowledging it feels she/he is without sin. We are all in the same boat.

  • JosephineJosephine Curl Connoisseur Posts: 14,408Registered Users Curl Connoisseur
    My religion teaches against homosexuality, but opposed to Extreme Muslim, my religion does not teach that we should hurt anyone.

    For the record, there is not such religion as 'extreme muslim', and Islam doesn't teach to hurt anyone, not any more than Christianity does at least.

    I believe the views in both religions on homosexuality is pretty much the same. Obviously more conservative societies are less tolerant, that happens here in the U.S. as well. I have met many christians (actually more than muslims) who absolutely hate and are disgusted by homosexuality.

    Terrorists kill people, same as 'Christians' who bomb abortion clinics here in a supposedly more evolved society. And then there's westboro baptist church.

    Also, obviously ISIS is known as a terror group.
  • AmnerisAmneris Posts: 15,117Registered Users
    Amneris wrote: »

    Someone who says "homosexuality is not a moral way to live" is clearly saying "heterosexuality is a moral way to live." That means they think heterosexuality is better than homosexuality. Why single out homosexuality otherwise?

    Not necessarily. We are ALL guilty of sin. The Bible says we can never be good enough or moral enough to earn salvation on our own merits. That applies to ALL of us. Many sins are named/described in the Bible. And they are what they are. But IMO they're not there to make anyone feel badly or be considered inferior. But rather they are there to remind us all of our sinful nature and why we need Jesus for salvation. Some of us can be realistic about what the Bible says without feeling self righteous or trying to hurt or oppress anyone.

    And there are lots of ways for heterosexuals to be sinful and separated from Christ! Simply acknowledging a homosexual lifestyle (or whatever) as a sin doesn't mean the person acknowledging it feels she/he is without sin. We are all in the same boat.



    Yeah, but specifically pointing to a homosexual being in any kind of intimate relationship, even a marriage, as it being "sinful", when a heterosexual in a marriage is not automatically sinning, is discriminatory. And also not in keeping with the teachings of Christ.
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  • spiderlashes5000spiderlashes5000 Curl Virtuoso Posts: 17,898Registered Users Curl Virtuoso
    Amneris wrote: »
    Amneris wrote: »

    Someone who says "homosexuality is not a moral way to live" is clearly saying "heterosexuality is a moral way to live." That means they think heterosexuality is better than homosexuality. Why single out homosexuality otherwise?

    Not necessarily. We are ALL guilty of sin. The Bible says we can never be good enough or moral enough to earn salvation on our own merits. That applies to ALL of us. Many sins are named/described in the Bible. And they are what they are. But IMO they're not there to make anyone feel badly or be considered inferior. But rather they are there to remind us all of our sinful nature and why we need Jesus for salvation. Some of us can be realistic about what the Bible says without feeling self righteous or trying to hurt or oppress anyone.

    And there are lots of ways for heterosexuals to be sinful and separated from Christ! Simply acknowledging a homosexual lifestyle (or whatever) as a sin doesn't mean the person acknowledging it feels she/he is without sin. We are all in the same boat.



    Yeah, but specifically pointing to a homosexual being in any kind of intimate relationship, even a marriage, as it being "sinful", when a heterosexual in a marriage is not automatically sinning, is discriminatory. And also not in keeping with the teachings of Christ.


    Yeah, I know. Take that big log out of your eye before you point to the speck of dust in your neighbor's eye, then maybe you can see it more clearly! LOL

    I think part of the problem is on a discussion board, ppl just wanna discuss. They share their personal thoughts here when they wouldn't IRL...they wouldn't even entertain many of those thoughts out of a sense of tolerance and respect for others' rights.

    I think.

  • AngelaE8654AngelaE8654 Curl Neophyte Posts: 1,099Banned Users Curl Neophyte

    Not necessarily. We are ALL guilty of sin. The Bible says we can never be good enough or moral enough to earn salvation on our own merits. That applies to ALL of us. Many sins are named/described in the Bible. And they are what they are. But IMO they're not there to make anyone feel badly or be considered inferior. But rather they are there to remind us all of our sinful nature and why we need Jesus for salvation. Some of us can be realistic about what the Bible says without feeling self righteous or trying to hurt or oppress anyone.

    And there are lots of ways for heterosexuals to be sinful and separated from Christ! Simply acknowledging a homosexual lifestyle (or whatever) as a sin doesn't mean the person acknowledging it feels she/he is without sin. We are all in the same boat.

    Exactly. Thank you, spiderlashes. When the Bible talks about various sins, it usually gives a list of various things and homosexuality is among them. Yes, my religion teaches that homosexuality is not moral but it also teaches against drunkenness, deceit, coveting (wanting something someone else has), adultery, lust, materialism, etc etc.

    The Ten Commandments were given to the Israelites to prove to them that they cannot, without God's help, live a completely 'moral' life. We've all broken one or more of the Ten Commandments. We're all fallible. Some people do things our religion teaches against (for instance, many people get drunk on a regular basis). I simply try to live the best way I can and when I fail, I ask God for forgiveness and if I've hurt someone, I also ask them to forgive me. Doesn't mean I'm looking around judging whether other people 'measure up' or not. That's not my concern. My concern is with my own life and my own walk with God and how someone looking at me might interpret how I live. And that's it. No 'tearing someone else down' or 'making someone else inferior' about it.

    Once again, how some other adult is living is something I don't concern myself about. This may sound harsh, but I simply don't care enough about what other people do in private or in their own space to be concerned about it. But that doesn't mean I've turned my back on my religion. If I am asked to vote on an issue like this, I will vote my conscience. Otherwise, I will 'live and let live'. I don't see how that mindset is tearing anybody down or making anybody inferior.
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    All in all, I'm happy with my hair type but almost for sure think yours is prettier. :)
  • AmnerisAmneris Posts: 15,117Registered Users

    Not necessarily. We are ALL guilty of sin. The Bible says we can never be good enough or moral enough to earn salvation on our own merits. That applies to ALL of us. Many sins are named/described in the Bible. And they are what they are. But IMO they're not there to make anyone feel badly or be considered inferior. But rather they are there to remind us all of our sinful nature and why we need Jesus for salvation. Some of us can be realistic about what the Bible says without feeling self righteous or trying to hurt or oppress anyone.

    And there are lots of ways for heterosexuals to be sinful and separated from Christ! Simply acknowledging a homosexual lifestyle (or whatever) as a sin doesn't mean the person acknowledging it feels she/he is without sin. We are all in the same boat.

    Exactly. Thank you, spiderlashes. When the Bible talks about various sins, it usually gives a list of various things and homosexuality is among them. Yes, my religion teaches that homosexuality is not moral but it also teaches against drunkenness, deceit, coveting (wanting something someone else has), adultery, lust, materialism, etc etc.

    The Ten Commandments were given to the Israelites to prove to them that they cannot, without God's help, live a completely 'moral' life. We've all broken one or more of the Ten Commandments. We're all fallible. Some people do things our religion teaches against (for instance, many people get drunk on a regular basis). I simply try to live the best way I can and when I fail, I ask God for forgiveness and if I've hurt someone, I also ask them to forgive me. Doesn't mean I'm looking around judging whether other people 'measure up' or not. That's not my concern. My concern is with my own life and my own walk with God and how someone looking at me might interpret how I live. And that's it. No 'tearing someone else down' or 'making someone else inferior' about it.

    Once again, how some other adult is living is something I don't concern myself about. This may sound harsh, but I simply don't care enough about what other people do in private or in their own space to be concerned about it. But that doesn't mean I've turned my back on my religion. If I am asked to vote on an issue like this, I will vote my conscience. Otherwise, I will 'live and let live'. I don't see how that mindset is tearing anybody down or making anybody inferior.


    If voting your conscience means voting against gay marriage, then that is tearing down gay couples and making them inferior if your side of the vote wins.


    If you don't care what two adults do, then why would you not turn your back on the church on this issue? You don't care, it's none of your business, it doesn't concern you, but if the church says it's wrong, you fall in line, against your own opinions?


    Also, there is a difference in something like drunkenness, adultery etc. which a person may do from time to time but it does not define who they are, and it is equally wrong for anyone to do it no matter who they are, and "homosexuality", which is who a person is and how they were made.
    Get used to me. Black, confident, cocky; my name, not yours; my religion, not yours; my goals, my own; get used to me. -Muhammad Ali


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  • JosephineJosephine Curl Connoisseur Posts: 14,408Registered Users Curl Connoisseur
    Maybe this is a different topic but I have a question for religious people (who believe homosexuality is a sin and want the legal definition of marriage match the religious definition) -

    Why do you or others care if it's legally okay for 2 consenting adults to get married that are of the same sex? As far as I know, no one is forcing individuals or churches to be involved in the marriages, right? Why does this affect people so much? No one is going into churches and telling them to preach that it's okay for gay people to get married, right? Or am I missing something, I reallllyyy don't get it.
  • AngelaE8654AngelaE8654 Curl Neophyte Posts: 1,099Banned Users Curl Neophyte
    Amneris wrote: »


    If voting your conscience means voting against gay marriage, then that is tearing down gay couples and making them inferior if your side of the vote wins.


    If you don't care what two adults do, then why would you not turn your back on the church on this issue? You don't care, it's none of your business, it doesn't concern you, but if the church says it's wrong, you fall in line, against your own opinions?


    Also, there is a difference in something like drunkenness, adultery etc. which a person may do from time to time but it does not define who they are, and it is equally wrong for anyone to do it no matter who they are, and "homosexuality", which is who a person is and how they were made.


    It's obvious that you will see that anyone religiously opposed to gay marriage is putting someone else down. You and me continuing to argue about it is not going to do anything at all. No, you're not going to change my mind; my belief system teaches me that "gay" is not moral. And I obviously won't change your opinion that unless someone believes that every lifestyle an adult chooses is "moral" and "right" they are belittling someone else and putting them down. So be it.

    My church and my belief system does not teach me to go and get involved in someone else's life and "preach" to him or her what he or she should be doing. It teaches me to make my own life as much of an "example" of Christ as I can so that other people will want to follow him.

    And as far as someone being "born gay" (that seems to be what you believe as you say being gay is "who a person is") if that were the case then the "gay gene" will someday be isolated:

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    If gays were, indeed, "born" that way then Medical Science will eventually be able to isolate the gene that causes it. And give parents a choice whether or not to give birth to a "gay" baby. What do you think most parents will choose? If Homosexuality is something people can be "born" with, then homosexuality will eventually be just about wiped out as potentially "gay" babies will almost for sure be aborted before birth. (Keep in mind that gay people have mentioned many times about how tough their lives have been and how they wouldn't "willingly choose this" for themselves. Why would a parent want to bring a child into this sort of misery?)

    Here is what would happen. According to this map, the states in the US range from 1.7% gay on the low end to 4.9% on the high end. Most "low gay" states are somewhere in the 2s and the "high gay" states in the 4s. So we'll round that number off to 3.5% of the country identifies as "gay" in the United States.


    Gallup Special Report: New Estimates of the LGBT Population in the United States | Williams Institute

    According to this report, 92% of all Down Syndrome babies are aborted:

    Down Syndrome Births Drop in U.S. as More Women Abort - ABC News

    So let's say a homosexual gene is found and parents can choose whether or not to let their pregnancies with a "gay baby" go full term. Let's say that the percentage of "gay baby" abortion is roughly the same as "Down Syndrome" abortion: 92%

    3.5% of babies will have the "gay gene": 0.035

    92% of those babies are aborted: 0.92

    92% aborted "gay babies" out of 3.5% of babies who are "gay" which means only 8% allowed to live: 0.08 X 0.035

    Equals: 0.0028

    Two One Thousands of One Percent of "gay babies" would be allowed to be born.

    Two One Thousands of one percent!! If gays are "born gay" this fact will eventually wipe homosexuality off the planet.
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    I'm definitely a "curly" 2c. Sometimes curly and sometimes just wavy upper layer with a ringlety under layer. My hair has been thick and coarse since birth. Strawberry blonde in color that can and does change depending on the type and amount of light.


    All in all, I'm happy with my hair type but almost for sure think yours is prettier. :)
  • AngelaE8654AngelaE8654 Curl Neophyte Posts: 1,099Banned Users Curl Neophyte
    Josephine wrote: »
    Maybe this is a different topic but I have a question for religious people (who believe homosexuality is a sin and want the legal definition of marriage match the religious definition) -

    Why do you or others care if it's legally okay for 2 consenting adults to get married that are of the same sex? As far as I know, no one is forcing individuals or churches to be involved in the marriages, right? Why does this affect people so much? No one is going into churches and telling them to preach that it's okay for gay people to get married, right? Or am I missing something, I reallllyyy don't get it.

    But that's coming. In Canada, it is against the law to preach that homosexuality is morally wrong. That is exactly where this country is headed as well.

    Canadian Supreme Court Rules Biblical Speech Opposing Homosexual Behavior is a ‘Hate Crime’ | Christian News Network
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]

    I'm definitely a "curly" 2c. Sometimes curly and sometimes just wavy upper layer with a ringlety under layer. My hair has been thick and coarse since birth. Strawberry blonde in color that can and does change depending on the type and amount of light.


    All in all, I'm happy with my hair type but almost for sure think yours is prettier. :)
  • AngelaE8654AngelaE8654 Curl Neophyte Posts: 1,099Banned Users Curl Neophyte
    P.S. How is somebody trying to get a Christian to think that their belief system "makes someone else inferior" not an attempt at breaking down the Christian person's beliefs? I don't find that ANY different than a Christian going up to a gay person and trying to make them believe that their sexuality is immoral. That type of thinking is still a tendentious way of thinking. It's inherently prejudiced.
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]

    I'm definitely a "curly" 2c. Sometimes curly and sometimes just wavy upper layer with a ringlety under layer. My hair has been thick and coarse since birth. Strawberry blonde in color that can and does change depending on the type and amount of light.


    All in all, I'm happy with my hair type but almost for sure think yours is prettier. :)
  • JosephineJosephine Curl Connoisseur Posts: 14,408Registered Users Curl Connoisseur
    Josephine wrote: »
    Maybe this is a different topic but I have a question for religious people (who believe homosexuality is a sin and want the legal definition of marriage match the religious definition) -

    Why do you or others care if it's legally okay for 2 consenting adults to get married that are of the same sex? As far as I know, no one is forcing individuals or churches to be involved in the marriages, right? Why does this affect people so much? No one is going into churches and telling them to preach that it's okay for gay people to get married, right? Or am I missing something, I reallllyyy don't get it.

    But that's coming. In Canada, it is against the law to preach that homosexuality is morally wrong. That is exactly where this country is headed as well.

    Canadian Supreme Court Rules Biblical Speech Opposing Homosexual Behavior is a ‘Hate Crime’ | Christian News Network


    Besides that, why does it matter if 2 people can legally marry?
  • JosephineJosephine Curl Connoisseur Posts: 14,408Registered Users Curl Connoisseur
    If Homosexuality is something people can be "born" with, then homosexuality will eventually be just about wiped out as potentially "gay" babies will almost for sure be aborted before birth. (Keep in mind that gay people have mentioned many times about how tough their lives have been and how they wouldn't "willingly choose this" for themselves. Why would a parent want to bring a child into this sort of misery?)

    Here is what would happen. According to this map, the states in the US range from 1.7% gay on the low end to 4.9% on the high end. Most "low gay" states are somewhere in the 2s and the "high gay" states in the 4s. So we'll round that number off to 3.5% of the country identifies as "gay" in the United States.


    Gallup Special Report: New Estimates of the LGBT Population in the United States | Williams Institute

    According to this report, 92% of all Down Syndrome babies are aborted:

    Down Syndrome Births Drop in U.S. as More Women Abort - ABC News

    So let's say a homosexual gene is found and parents can choose whether or not to let their pregnancies with a "gay baby" go full term. Let's say that the percentage of "gay baby" abortion is roughly the same as "Down Syndrome" abortion: 92%

    3.5% of babies will have the "gay gene": 0.035

    92% of those babies are aborted: 0.92

    92% aborted "gay babies" out of 3.5% of babies who are "gay" which means only 8% allowed to live: 0.08 X 0.035

    Equals: 0.0028

    Two One Thousands of One Percent of "gay babies" would be allowed to be born.

    Two One Thousands of one percent!! If gays are "born gay" this fact will eventually wipe homosexuality off the planet.
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  • AngelaE8654AngelaE8654 Curl Neophyte Posts: 1,099Banned Users Curl Neophyte
    Josephine wrote: »
    If Homosexuality is something people can be "born" with, then homosexuality will eventually be just about wiped out as potentially "gay" babies will almost for sure be aborted before birth. (Keep in mind that gay people have mentioned many times about how tough their lives have been and how they wouldn't "willingly choose this" for themselves. Why would a parent want to bring a child into this sort of misery?)

    Here is what would happen. According to this map, the states in the US range from 1.7% gay on the low end to 4.9% on the high end. Most "low gay" states are somewhere in the 2s and the "high gay" states in the 4s. So we'll round that number off to 3.5% of the country identifies as "gay" in the United States.


    Gallup Special Report: New Estimates of the LGBT Population in the United States | Williams Institute

    According to this report, 92% of all Down Syndrome babies are aborted:

    Down Syndrome Births Drop in U.S. as More Women Abort - ABC News

    So let's say a homosexual gene is found and parents can choose whether or not to let their pregnancies with a "gay baby" go full term. Let's say that the percentage of "gay baby" abortion is roughly the same as "Down Syndrome" abortion: 92%

    3.5% of babies will have the "gay gene": 0.035

    92% of those babies are aborted: 0.92

    92% aborted "gay babies" out of 3.5% of babies who are "gay" which means only 8% allowed to live: 0.08 X 0.035

    Equals: 0.0028

    Two One Thousands of One Percent of "gay babies" would be allowed to be born.

    Two One Thousands of one percent!! If gays are "born gay" this fact will eventually wipe homosexuality off the planet.
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    :shock:

    LOL, you "got" it. This is actually a "straw man" type of argument I use just to watch people's head explode. :D :D :D :D :D
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]

    I'm definitely a "curly" 2c. Sometimes curly and sometimes just wavy upper layer with a ringlety under layer. My hair has been thick and coarse since birth. Strawberry blonde in color that can and does change depending on the type and amount of light.


    All in all, I'm happy with my hair type but almost for sure think yours is prettier. :)
  • AmnerisAmneris Posts: 15,117Registered Users
    Josephine wrote: »
    If Homosexuality is something people can be "born" with, then homosexuality will eventually be just about wiped out as potentially "gay" babies will almost for sure be aborted before birth. (Keep in mind that gay people have mentioned many times about how tough their lives have been and how they wouldn't "willingly choose this" for themselves. Why would a parent want to bring a child into this sort of misery?)

    Here is what would happen. According to this map, the states in the US range from 1.7% gay on the low end to 4.9% on the high end. Most "low gay" states are somewhere in the 2s and the "high gay" states in the 4s. So we'll round that number off to 3.5% of the country identifies as "gay" in the United States.


    Gallup Special Report: New Estimates of the LGBT Population in the United States | Williams Institute

    According to this report, 92% of all Down Syndrome babies are aborted:

    Down Syndrome Births Drop in U.S. as More Women Abort - ABC News

    So let's say a homosexual gene is found and parents can choose whether or not to let their pregnancies with a "gay baby" go full term. Let's say that the percentage of "gay baby" abortion is roughly the same as "Down Syndrome" abortion: 92%

    3.5% of babies will have the "gay gene": 0.035

    92% of those babies are aborted: 0.92

    92% aborted "gay babies" out of 3.5% of babies who are "gay" which means only 8% allowed to live: 0.08 X 0.035

    Equals: 0.0028

    Two One Thousands of One Percent of "gay babies" would be allowed to be born.

    Two One Thousands of one percent!! If gays are "born gay" this fact will eventually wipe homosexuality off the planet.
    ******************************************************************************

    :shock:


    That was my reaction also!!!
    Get used to me. Black, confident, cocky; my name, not yours; my religion, not yours; my goals, my own; get used to me. -Muhammad Ali


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