Suggestions for non-protein, non-quat, gel...

ttoosdayttoosday Posts: 509Registered Users Curl Connoisseur
... or definer product that is curl-encouraging, high definition, high hold, actually frizz controlling, and preferably containing ingredients that are helpful to hair health.
I have not yet tried a gel or product that does not contain some moisturizing ingredient, or oil or something that contributes to slip, humectant, etc. My problems are frizz, non definition, non hold. It's been suggested I try a hard hold gel, but I'm convinced I need so much moisture that I've been scared to try a product with no healthy components to it. The few stylers I've tried ended up having proteins or quats, or they just flat out didn't work: KCCC, KCKT, MTCC, Miss Jessies, HETT, Pantene No Crunch Whip, Deva Gel, going product free, spritzing coconut oil...
Are there any stylers that don't contain protein, cones, quats, that actually work to encourage curl, define the curl, hold the curl, and kill the frizz? And healthy properties would be a bonus but at this point I'm willing to try a one purpose product.
CG since 11/2014
Mostly 2B, but ranges A-C front to back and root to tip
Low density, very coarse, high porosity
Collarbone length, gray dyed brown, dry and rough
Typical LEG routine could be any combination of:
Lo poo: Shea Moisture brand shampoo, Ion Hard Water Shampoo
Cowash: As I Am Coc Cowash
RO: GVP CB, Aussie Mega Moist, Not Your Mothers Gardenia
Leave In: As I Am LI, KCKT, or Not Your Mothers Gardenia
Enhancer: Camille Rose Curl Maker
Deep condition: SM Deep Treat Mask
Protein: Hask Keratin
Styler: Curl Keeper Original, Ouidad Climate Control gel, LA Looks gel

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  • ExpectoPatronumExpectoPatronum Posts: 143Registered Users
    I'm having great luck layering As I Am Curling Jelly over LA Looks Sport Gel. The As I Am definitely fits the bill, as it does encourage my curl and helps cut down on frizz. It also lacks on those ingredients.

    LA Looks has keratin amino acids as one of the very last ingredients. Not sure about poly-quats. Despite it containing protein, I find it doesn't really bother my protein-sensitive hair especially layered over another gel first. I use it to increase the holding power of the As I Am.

    I apply both products to dripping wet hair.

    It's going to dry super crunchy. Scrunch and fluff your hair out and that will take care of any crunchiness.
    :color: HAIR STATS & ROUTINE :color:
    2c/3a--medium porosity--medium density--medium/coarse
    Cleansers: Shea Moisture Scalp Detox Shampoo, wash ~2x a week
    Conditioners: Cantu Hydrating Cream Conditioner (RO,HG!)
    Stylings: SM Curl and Style Milk (HG), Camille Rose Curl Maker (HG!)
    SOTC: SM Curl and Style Milk
    Oils: Coconut
    Working with waves since April 2015

  • ReservechicReservechic Posts: 798Registered Users
    Two natural based styling gels that I own and love, and that I feel either one is definitely worth giving a try, happen to be Camille Rose Naturals Curl Maker and Uncle Funky's Curly Magic. Yes, they are on the pricey side, but both gels do last me quite a long time, plus I have learned to take well advantage of sales, so I am always in the lookout for getting the best bang fir my buck. Now, when it comes to what you tried that you mentioned that doesn't work for your hair, a lot of those same things don't work for my hair either. I realize why they don't work for my hair, is because their exact formulations are not designed to meet the individual needs of my natural hair. And, overall, neither were they designed to meet the individual needs of your hair either, from the info that you provided. I have definitely been where you are at before, and I certainly don't recommend overwhelming yourself with buying a whole bunch of products that truly don't fit your hairs' needs. I wasted a lot of money on products that even though they may be popular brand names, or are very expensive, and I thought that just because a product is very expensive that it would make my curls look theur absolute best, I ended up enduring a lot of "misses" and overall, I ended up buying a whole bunch of stuff that didn't live up to any of their claims and simply made my hair look simply terrible. Which is why, I learned through trial and error, in regards to finally finding the right regimen for my curls, as well as the right products that do work best for my hair. I use both expensive and non-expensive products in my hair. For me to be a repeat buyer of a product, it has to really perform well in my hair. Therefore, if a product doesn't work, I don't do anything to try and make it work. Because that's not my job to do so. If can get a refund or exchange on the product, then I will seek to do do ASAP. If not, i will take that loss, and in the garbage that product shall go. But, I have learned that I will not allow for myself to go through loss after loss ever again, when it comes to buying products. Once you learn what ingredients your hair truly likes best, and what ingredient or ingredients, your hair dislikes the least then that gives you a good base to work off of. Also, your hair will let you know if your washing it too much, or if your not washing it enough, or if what your washing it with is not compatible with your hair at all.

    I live in one of the most humid climates in the U.S., and I can get consistent "Good Hair Days" by mainly using one product in my hair to style it with. And, in regards to stylers, I actually go back and forth between using creamy based stylers and styling gels (with varying degrees of hold to them) to style my curls with, and I actually have no problem with doing so, within the extremely humid climate that I actually live in. I actually don't have problems with frizz (which you would think I would have by living in such a humid climate), because the products that I use completely meet my hairs' needs.

    The 2 products that I mentioned are merely suggestions. By no way, do you have to go out and buy such, if either one does not fit in your budget. There are certainly less expensive styling gels and even styling creams that you can try that available within the drugstores. Because you have the best ability to visually see, touch, and truly understand what is going on with your hair at this time than anyone else, which is why, I want you to focus on those things, and use that information towards guiding you in trying to make the best choice when it comes to buying hair products. Pay very close attention to product labeling, and ingredients, and being able to completely tell what your hair favors the most, as well as favors the least. And, definitely don't feel the need to buy from certain brands just because they happen to get a lot of attention surrounding them, because you truly never know, exactly where you may strike gold at, when it comes to hair products.
    Diagnosed with Scalp Eczema 6/2015
    (Don't hair type/loose curl pattern/fine texture/low density/high porosity

    Current Regimen (Ayurvedic Based):
    Cleansers- Bobeam Shampoo Bars
    Stylers-Rotate between Camille Rose Naturals Almond Jai Twisting Butter and Camille Rose Naturals Aloe Whipped Butter Gel

    I only wear my hair in wash n gos or buns. Also,
    I do not use conditioner on my hair on a weekly basis. And, my hair is A ok with that!
  • hockeymomof3hockeymomof3 Posts: 2,159Registered Users
    I've been loving Mop Top Curly Custard. Here are the ingredients:

    Aloe Baradensis Leaf Extract, Glycerin, Carboxymethylcellulose, Pectin, Hydroxypropyltrimonium Honey, Silk Amino Acids, Hypnea Musciformis Extract, Gelidiela Acerose Extract, Sargassum Filipendula Extract, Rosmarinus Officialis (Rosemary) Leaf Extract, Salix Alba (Williow) Bark Extract, Urtica (Nettle) Extract, Sorbitol, Ethylhexylglycerin, Phenoxyethanol, Fragrance (Phthalate Free)
    Ingredient Attributes: moisture, no silicones

    It isn't a super hard hold though but it holds my curls all day, controls frizz and definitely moisturizes too.
    3b/a
    Cowash - No Poo
    Conditioner - One Condition
    Gel - Light Defining Gel

    Looking to try Devacurl Decadence line next! Can't wait to try it.
  • ttoosdayttoosday Posts: 509Registered Users Curl Connoisseur
    I actually do have the Mop Top. It's working ok, just not stellar. I broke down and ordered the Camille Rose Curl Maker (waiting on delivery), and LA Looks Extreme Sports gel to try.
    CG since 11/2014
    Mostly 2B, but ranges A-C front to back and root to tip
    Low density, very coarse, high porosity
    Collarbone length, gray dyed brown, dry and rough
    Typical LEG routine could be any combination of:
    Lo poo: Shea Moisture brand shampoo, Ion Hard Water Shampoo
    Cowash: As I Am Coc Cowash
    RO: GVP CB, Aussie Mega Moist, Not Your Mothers Gardenia
    Leave In: As I Am LI, KCKT, or Not Your Mothers Gardenia
    Enhancer: Camille Rose Curl Maker
    Deep condition: SM Deep Treat Mask
    Protein: Hask Keratin
    Styler: Curl Keeper Original, Ouidad Climate Control gel, LA Looks gel
  • ReservechicReservechic Posts: 798Registered Users
    ttoosday wrote: »
    I actually do have the Mop Top. It's working ok, just not stellar. I broke down and ordered the Camille Rose Curl Maker (waiting on delivery), and LA Looks Extreme Sports gel to try.

    I definitely hope that either one or possibly both gels end up being a "hit" for you. From personal experience using the CRN Curl Maker, it is definitely a product that is good for use on 1st day hair, as I can't attest to how many days wear you'll exactly be able to get out of it, before you may need to wash your hair again. For 2nd day hair and beyond, I use the recommended curl reviving product from the CRN line, which is called Fresh Curl. However, if you don't happen to have this product, then you can try using a curl refresher spray from the drugstore or from a beauty supply store, as an alternative, okay.
    Diagnosed with Scalp Eczema 6/2015
    (Don't hair type/loose curl pattern/fine texture/low density/high porosity

    Current Regimen (Ayurvedic Based):
    Cleansers- Bobeam Shampoo Bars
    Stylers-Rotate between Camille Rose Naturals Almond Jai Twisting Butter and Camille Rose Naturals Aloe Whipped Butter Gel

    I only wear my hair in wash n gos or buns. Also,
    I do not use conditioner on my hair on a weekly basis. And, my hair is A ok with that!
  • ttoosdayttoosday Posts: 509Registered Users Curl Connoisseur
    I had been wanting to try it for a long time. And when I reread the ingredients I realized it was def worth a shot. I'm really trying not to hoard products, I'm just trying to find something. There has got to be a way to tame frizz and hold curl, and maybe I'll have to live with a little build up and clarify once a week, I mean, there's not a thing wrong with that. But we will see this weekend!
    I totally see what you mean about product formulations working or not working. It makes perfect sense but it also makes it so difficult... to be able to know my hair that well could take years and my hair never seems to be the same from day to day, except scraggly.
    CG since 11/2014
    Mostly 2B, but ranges A-C front to back and root to tip
    Low density, very coarse, high porosity
    Collarbone length, gray dyed brown, dry and rough
    Typical LEG routine could be any combination of:
    Lo poo: Shea Moisture brand shampoo, Ion Hard Water Shampoo
    Cowash: As I Am Coc Cowash
    RO: GVP CB, Aussie Mega Moist, Not Your Mothers Gardenia
    Leave In: As I Am LI, KCKT, or Not Your Mothers Gardenia
    Enhancer: Camille Rose Curl Maker
    Deep condition: SM Deep Treat Mask
    Protein: Hask Keratin
    Styler: Curl Keeper Original, Ouidad Climate Control gel, LA Looks gel
  • sarajane82sarajane82 Posts: 77Registered Users
    A note on the LA Looks Sports Gel-- I'm starting to believe that my hair is protein sensitive based on how it reacts to a protein rich LI and LA Looks Sports Gel. Both of them leave my hair EXTREMELY dry and scraggly, even when layered with other non-protein heavy products. But it's worth a shot cause it's so cheap, maybe it won't have that same effect on you.

    Sent from my HTC6500LVW using CurlTalk App
  • hockeymomof3hockeymomof3 Posts: 2,159Registered Users
    ttoosday wrote: »
    I actually do have the Mop Top. It's working ok, just not stellar. I broke down and ordered the Camille Rose Curl Maker (waiting on delivery), and LA Looks Extreme Sports gel to try.

    Oooh can't wait to hear about the Camille Rose Curl Maker!! I haven't tried that and it looks great!!
    3b/a
    Cowash - No Poo
    Conditioner - One Condition
    Gel - Light Defining Gel

    Looking to try Devacurl Decadence line next! Can't wait to try it.
  • ttoosdayttoosday Posts: 509Registered Users Curl Connoisseur
    sarajane82 wrote: »
    A note on the LA Looks Sports Gel-- I'm starting to believe that my hair is protein sensitive based on how it reacts to a protein rich LI and LA Looks Sports Gel. Both of them leave my hair EXTREMELY dry and scraggly, even when layered with other non-protein heavy products. But it's worth a shot cause it's so cheap, maybe it won't have that same effect on you.

    Sent from my HTC6500LVW using CurlTalk App

    At this moment I *think* my hair is ok with amino acids protein. Any bigger than that and it's not a good result.
    CG since 11/2014
    Mostly 2B, but ranges A-C front to back and root to tip
    Low density, very coarse, high porosity
    Collarbone length, gray dyed brown, dry and rough
    Typical LEG routine could be any combination of:
    Lo poo: Shea Moisture brand shampoo, Ion Hard Water Shampoo
    Cowash: As I Am Coc Cowash
    RO: GVP CB, Aussie Mega Moist, Not Your Mothers Gardenia
    Leave In: As I Am LI, KCKT, or Not Your Mothers Gardenia
    Enhancer: Camille Rose Curl Maker
    Deep condition: SM Deep Treat Mask
    Protein: Hask Keratin
    Styler: Curl Keeper Original, Ouidad Climate Control gel, LA Looks gel

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