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Can you critique my regimen?

ReynaCRReynaCR Posts: 405Registered Users
Hey all!

So I have really dry 4c hair. I've been doing the following routine for about 3 months now and despite my efforts hair and scalp is still really dry.. There also seems to be a good amount of shedding and breakage too. Thanks in advance for all your input.

- MHM once weekly, alternating baking soda and apple cider vinegar for clarifying step 1, and doing the cherry lola treatment every two weeks (1/2 cup yogurt, 1 tbsp baking soda, 1 tbsp liquid aminos, 1 tbsp honey). After this step, I conditioner wash, clay rinse (clay, water, honey, olive oil) and then apply gel with water in a spray bottle.

- A scalp massage every other night with Bee Mine serum (the regular strawberry one) and a little Knot Today with water in a spray bottle.

I don't style my hair all the time or do anything too fancy, I only use Curlformers every two weeks when I do the mhm with the cherry lola treatment. When I use my Curlformers I use Shea Moisture Curl Enhancing Smoothie, and then twist the curls up with almond, olive or castor oil. When I take the twists out I just leave the twist out how it is, scalp massage every other day with knot today, until time for mhm, then twist, scalp massage every other day, mhm, twists, so on.. "rinse-and-repeat.."

If it helps, my hair is fine, dry 4c, not too much of a curl pattern at all, it looks a lot like hers /home/leaving?target=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DNCQF7iJ_oFU" class="Popup even the way the conditioner looks on the front of her hair, mine seems to be a mix of low and high porosity in some areas. Some of the cuticles feel raised and on some strands flat and smooth.

Thanks a lot in advance for your reply. I can't figure out what's not right or missing.
:queen: Reyna

"Don't look back and ask why, look forward and ask why not!?" - Unk.

Comments

  • adthomasadthomas Posts: 5,525Registered Users
    Personally I say ditch the baking soda. I tried it a few times as a new natural and it dried out my hair horribly. Also cherry lola is a protein treatment which pts can make hair feel dry and brittle. I think pts should be followed by deep treatments to restore moisture balance. It could be the clay step isn't moisturizing enough for your hair. also doing a protein treatment once a week seems excessive to me. I have never donr MHM but I read on the website they don't recommend to do cherry lola more than twice a month.
    Yes, it's real. No, you can't touch it. :wav:
  • ReynaCRReynaCR Posts: 405Registered Users
    Thank you so much for your response. I didn't respond as soon as I read it, but did give what you said a try. So for these last three weeks I stopped the baking soda and only did the protein treatment once. I believe the baking soda was the culprit, because in truth my scalp is on the dry side and I'm not using so much product that I have a need to clarify with baking soda like that. I wonder how are these gals getting away with doing the baking soda all the time?
    :queen: Reyna

    "Don't look back and ask why, look forward and ask why not!?" - Unk.
  • adthomasadthomas Posts: 5,525Registered Users
    ReynaCR wrote: »
    Thank you so much for your response. I didn't respond as soon as I read it, but did give what you said a try. So for these last three weeks I stopped the baking soda and only did the protein treatment once. I believe the baking soda was the culprit, because in truth my scalp is on the dry side and I'm not using so much product that I have a need to clarify with baking soda like that. I wonder how are these gals getting away with doing the baking soda all the time?

    I remember reading some on line debate on whether it's safe to use bs in your hair. I know I won't ever do it again. Made my hair feel like straw. I want to say the mhm says acv alone is an option to bs. I hope you are seeing improvement.
    Yes, it's real. No, you can't touch it. :wav:
  • scrillsscrills Posts: 6,700Registered Users
    I agree with the others. Also, do you feel that the MHM is working? If not, skip it. My hair HATED some of the recommended products.

    Overall, it seems like you have a ton of steps and products. In general, I find that simple routines are better. Also, by eliminating some of the steps, you may identify the culprit.

    And as Adthomas mentioned about the clay, that also seemed to make my hair worse. It was like impossible to rinse out and dried out my hair. I know people swear by MHM, but I couldn't get past a couple of days/treatments
  • AfromuffinAfromuffin Posts: 158Registered Users
    I think the clay or the baking soda may be the issue.
    When I did it I just used acv, but some might not like the smell.
    The hardest part for me was the clay.
    Even when putting it in a bottle, it was tedious to put on.
    So your hair is still dry after the seven days.
  • adthomasadthomas Posts: 5,525Registered Users
    I have never done MHM but the clay step baffles me a little because it's done towards the end when I always think of clay as a cleanser. I have used clay washes to clarify my hair/scalp and it worked for me very well but I followed it with a deep conditioner. In MHM, the hair is already clarified by the baking soda and the ACV so why the clay at the end after using a conditioner. Maybe someone can explain.


    Also I've read after doing the 7 straight days you can go t washing every 3 days. Since I've been natural which is for many years I've always had where I couldn't go more than 3 days without washing my hair to maintain hydration. I know others can go longer but I know there are many others who are the same as me.
    Yes, it's real. No, you can't touch it. :wav:
  • yeleyyeley Posts: 3Registered Users
    Not trying to sound rude at all, but I think your making the process of keeping up your hair tooo much. :blob4: If your having problems with dry hair, regardless if it's 4c, then try to find a deep conditioner that has the right ingredients that you like. For me the only deep conditioner I didn't like was Dr.Miracles. After you use a deep conditioner, use a heavy product like Cantu Curling Creme or Shea Moisture. Then do whatever style you like :)

    EDIT: I usually use any deep conditioner, but I would recommend the olive oil deep conditioner. Also when I say your making it "too much" I meant that you can cut down the process to make your hair care go by faster. When it's your wash day, you can simply use a cowash or shea moisture shampoo and conditioner. I swear, Shea Moisture is one of the best hair products out there lol! Oh and check your ends too. Make sure to clip your ends because the breakage will travel up your hair and make your hair feel dry and brittle. My way of doing it is doing two strand twists (my usual style) then I find the ends that look matted and dry and then I cut it with tiny scissors. You'll see a huge difference. After I get done doing that, my twists have nice curls to it.
  • Stinalee1120Stinalee1120 Posts: 66Registered Users
    adthomas wrote: »
    I have never done MHM but the clay step baffles me a little because it's done towards the end when I always think of clay as a cleanser. I have used clay washes to clarify my hair/scalp and it worked for me very well but I followed it with a deep conditioner. In MHM, the hair is already clarified by the baking soda and the ACV so why the clay at the end after using a conditioner. Maybe someone can explain.


    Also I've read after doing the 7 straight days you can go t washing every 3 days. Since I've been natural which is for many years I've always had where I couldn't go more than 3 days without washing my hair to maintain hydration. I know others can go longer but I know there are many others who are the same as me.

    I think the clay is used mostly to clump the hair. After you wash it out you can gauge the percentage of max hydration. When I did the regimen I used Rhassoul clay mixed with honey.

    I say a youtube video where it was explained that the effects of the conditioner only last about 3 days in hair anyway, so it's best not to try to stretch longer without adding more through co-washing. The kinkier the hair, the shorter amount of time between co-washing sessions and deep conditioning. I know if I wait a full week without conditioning my hair (and my daughter's) will be dry, frizzy, and tangled.

    OP what products are you using to do the MHM? I used the Tresemme Naturals Nourishing Moisture and hated it. Didn't give me enough moisture. What gel are you using? Honestly, I gave up on using the method. It was ok, but I personally get better results through co-washing like every 2-3 days, then alternating between deep conditioning and hot oil treatments every week.
  • AfromuffinAfromuffin Posts: 158Registered Users
    Don't they have clay bars?
    I think that would make the clay step less tedious
  • ReynaCRReynaCR Posts: 405Registered Users
    scrills wrote: »
    I agree with the others. Also, do you feel that the MHM is working? If not, skip it. My hair HATED some of the recommended products.

    Overall, it seems like you have a ton of steps and products. In general, I find that simple routines are better. Also, by eliminating some of the steps, you may identify the culprit.

    And as Adthomas mentioned about the clay, that also seemed to make my hair worse. It was like impossible to rinse out and dried out my hair. I know people swear by MHM, but I couldn't get past a couple of days/treatments
    I'm back...

    So it's been about a month since I did the mhm. Upon inspecting my hair, I find the entire thing is full of midshaft splits and rough ends/split ends. Decided to cut off about 2 inches all over. I'm not sure how those ladies are doing that method and surviving, but then again maybe it's just me.

    In terms of singling out the products, I thought about the different days I'd gone through with the method and found that my scalp did seem a little tight or dry after the clay. The baking soda was a nightmare, and my hair basically laughs when I use only Kinky Curly leave in and gel. Plus, I can't believe I even thought to wash my hair like that every day for those first 7 days! So I'm simplifying things these days with just a Shea Moisture shampoo and conditioner (the brown set), and looking for a deep conditioner. And find a protective style. Probably just two strand twist and seal with an oil.
    :queen: Reyna

    "Don't look back and ask why, look forward and ask why not!?" - Unk.
  • ReynaCRReynaCR Posts: 405Registered Users
    yeley wrote: »
    Not trying to sound rude at all, but I think your making the process of keeping up your hair tooo much. :blob4: If your having problems with dry hair, regardless if it's 4c, then try to find a deep conditioner that has the right ingredients that you like. For me the only deep conditioner I didn't like was Dr.Miracles. After you use a deep conditioner, use a heavy product like Cantu Curling Creme or Shea Moisture. Then do whatever style you like :)

    EDIT: I usually use any deep conditioner, but I would recommend the olive oil deep conditioner. Also when I say your making it "too much" I meant that you can cut down the process to make your hair care go by faster. When it's your wash day, you can simply use a cowash or shea moisture shampoo and conditioner. I swear, Shea Moisture is one of the best hair products out there lol! Oh and check your ends too. Make sure to clip your ends because the breakage will travel up your hair and make your hair feel dry and brittle. My way of doing it is doing two strand twists (my usual style) then I find the ends that look matted and dry and then I cut it with tiny scissors. You'll see a huge difference. After I get done doing that, my twists have nice curls to it.
    Now that was spot on.

    You can only imagine how I (temporarily) felt when I noticed pretty much all of my hair was splitting nearly halfway up. I just cut it all off because now I won't be putting myself through that much activity... lol. Gonna try snipping the ends of my twists, that sounds like a good idea.
    :queen: Reyna

    "Don't look back and ask why, look forward and ask why not!?" - Unk.
  • ReynaCRReynaCR Posts: 405Registered Users
    adthomas wrote: »
    I have never done MHM but the clay step baffles me a little because it's done towards the end when I always think of clay as a cleanser. I have used clay washes to clarify my hair/scalp and it worked for me very well but I followed it with a deep conditioner. In MHM, the hair is already clarified by the baking soda and the ACV so why the clay at the end after using a conditioner. Maybe someone can explain.


    Also I've read after doing the 7 straight days you can go t washing every 3 days. Since I've been natural which is for many years I've always had where I couldn't go more than 3 days without washing my hair to maintain hydration. I know others can go longer but I know there are many others who are the same as me.

    I think the clay is used mostly to clump the hair. After you wash it out you can gauge the percentage of max hydration. When I did the regimen I used Rhassoul clay mixed with honey.

    I say a youtube video where it was explained that the effects of the conditioner only last about 3 days in hair anyway, so it's best not to try to stretch longer without adding more through co-washing. The kinkier the hair, the shorter amount of time between co-washing sessions and deep conditioning. I know if I wait a full week without conditioning my hair (and my daughter's) will be dry, frizzy, and tangled.

    OP what products are you using to do the MHM? I used the Tresemme Naturals Nourishing Moisture and hated it. Didn't give me enough moisture. What gel are you using? Honestly, I gave up on using the method. It was ok, but I personally get better results through co-washing like every 2-3 days, then alternating between deep conditioning and hot oil treatments every week.
    I was using kinky curly knot today and curling custard... The clumping thing with the clay wash never really happened or came close to happening, and my hair just basically looked like a dry fro when the leave in and gel dried.
    :queen: Reyna

    "Don't look back and ask why, look forward and ask why not!?" - Unk.

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