Ouidad appointment today, should I go??

amberlawamberlaw Posts: 18Registered Users Curl Neophyte
I am on week two of CG and it's still very much hit and miss. I bought a diffuser last night and I have posted the results from this morning. After using the Deva gel and diffuser, my hair was LARGE. I ended up having to pin back the top before work because I just could not manage to make it look ok - mostly my bangs, which are not quite long enough.

My question is - I made this Ouidad appointment for today and I was psyched until I read up on them - apparently much of their product line is not CG friendly, and I feel like a huge part of the appointment will be them putting that stuff in my hair and trying to sell me on it. I'm not even sure my curl is worthy of Ouidad and the price, it isn't cheap. There is no Deva salon within three hours of where I am (Little Rock, AR) so Ouidad is my only option as far as a "certified curl specialist."

I am torn. Do I go? Or do I let my regular stylist cut it and hope for the best? I just got a trim about four weeks ago so I don't need one now, other than to shape it if I intend to keep on wearing it curly - which I would like to do.

All advice welcome, as always!!
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2a/b/c, coarse, high porosity, high density, blonde highlights hiding my salt and pepper, just a lot of dang wavy hair, is what it is.

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  • claudine191claudine191 Posts: 8,221Registered Users Curl Connoisseur
    I've had very good luck with most Ouidad products. Since you just had a haircut four weeks ago, why not reschedule this one for a month from now and see how you feel then? Some people find that staying strictly CG isn't necessary, while others are die-hard adherents. A month will give you time to determine where you fall in the spectrum.

    HTH
  • amberlawamberlaw Posts: 18Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    That's probably good advice, claudine191. Thank you! If I may ask, what type of hair do you have? I ask only because you said you have had success with their products. Mine is very coarse, dense, and wavy (as you can see, my curl pattern is not well-defined.)
    2a/b/c, coarse, high porosity, high density, blonde highlights hiding my salt and pepper, just a lot of dang wavy hair, is what it is.
  • claudine191claudine191 Posts: 8,221Registered Users Curl Connoisseur
    No problem: I have the whole spectrum of Type 2 waves.
  • BotticelliBritBotticelliBrit Posts: 2,075Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    I adore Ouidad! Their Humidity Gel is my holy grail. Tbh I tend to hear of more people having problems with Deva products than Ouidad ones.

    Maybe you should wait until you experiment more and know which products / methods you like best, then you and your stylist can work together to achieve the look you want?

    Just to point out that Deva cuts are more popular than Ouidad, but I think that might be due to the fact that they cut dry and use the techniques outlined in the CG handbook, which people feel comfortable with as they have mostly based their new haircare on that book.
    3B. Med porosity. Med thickness. Med density.

    LP: Shea Moisture (currently JBCO)
    Conditioner/CW: Jason Aloe Vera

    LI: Aunt Jackie's Curls & Coils Quench
    Refreshing: TRESemmé Naturals Aloe Vera & Avocado
    Gel: DevaCurl Ultra Defining Gel
    DC:
    Aunt Jackie's Soft & Sassy Super Duper Softening Conditioner
    Treatments: Coconut oil/Coconut milk

    UK curly. CG since Oct 2013.
    Growing my hair to WL when dry :thumright:
  • sixelamysixelamy Posts: 4,157Registered Users Curl Novice
    I second what BB said on negative Deva and positive Ouidad. I didn't care for Deva products or their haircut in the end. Never got a Ouidad haircut though. I'd be much more inclined to use Ouidad products, even though they are super expensive. The gel is pretty amazing, and frankly that bottle would last me forever. If you don't like the products, simply don't buy them. Go home and clarify your hair.

    Silicones are not the devil, and it mostly stems from cowashing with products that do not have the proper surfactant in them. DevaCurl started with silicones, believe it or not. They are only "bad", because one woman said not to use them. The CG method is great, but there is no harm in using a silicone here and there - especially if you are cleansing properly. The problem comes in when they sit on the hair wash after wash and form a barrier for anything conditioning to penetrate your hair. There are even a few conditioners/cowashes that have cocamidopropyl betaine in them that will get the silicone out.
    2c-3a - med-coarse - normal-high porosity - high density
    :bunny:
    NP/LP: CJ Daily Fix, KMF Whenever / Giovanni TTTT
    RO/LI: Aussie Moist, CJ Argan & Olive Oil, Hask Keratin Protein
    DC/PROTEIN: KC Stellar Strands / CNPF
    STYLER: CJ Curl Queen
    COLOR: henna, amla & indigo
    :thumbdown:: glycerin in high/low dews, polyquat-10 & 11, parabens
  • chupiechupie Posts: 5,280Registered Users Curl Connoisseur
    A lot of Ouidad products are perfectly CG friendly. I'd say most. Especially the wavy stuff. The playcurl foam, the sea salt stuff. Some the cone stuff is PEG 12, so water soluble. Just tell them to make sure there are no unsoluble cones in what they use. I'd still go.
    2a medium porous, You can see my wavy tutorials here: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLy8bclCLgER5N_uVYSYZNxhBHSXAW40OQ and my wavy blog is The Wavy Nation http://wavynation.wordpress.com
  • amberlawamberlaw Posts: 18Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    OK. You have all convinced me!! I will post before and after pics, unless I am curled up in the fetal position afterwards in mortification and horror. :)
    2a/b/c, coarse, high porosity, high density, blonde highlights hiding my salt and pepper, just a lot of dang wavy hair, is what it is.
  • sixelamysixelamy Posts: 4,157Registered Users Curl Novice
    I hope you love it! A Ouidad cut is more local than a Deva cut here. I will be very curious about your experience and your cut!
    2c-3a - med-coarse - normal-high porosity - high density
    :bunny:
    NP/LP: CJ Daily Fix, KMF Whenever / Giovanni TTTT
    RO/LI: Aussie Moist, CJ Argan & Olive Oil, Hask Keratin Protein
    DC/PROTEIN: KC Stellar Strands / CNPF
    STYLER: CJ Curl Queen
    COLOR: henna, amla & indigo
    :thumbdown:: glycerin in high/low dews, polyquat-10 & 11, parabens
  • chupiechupie Posts: 5,280Registered Users Curl Connoisseur
    Yes hope to see a pic!
    2a medium porous, You can see my wavy tutorials here: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLy8bclCLgER5N_uVYSYZNxhBHSXAW40OQ and my wavy blog is The Wavy Nation http://wavynation.wordpress.com
  • amberlawamberlaw Posts: 18Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    Well, I have to say, when I left the salon I was in horror. My hair was CRUNCHY. I haven't had that much gel in my hair since 1987! I wish I had great things to say about my stylist. In my opinion, he was overly confident, talked entirely too much about politics and not enough about hair. He was very rough even though I told him several times that I am very tender-headed (even saying "ow!" a time or three.) He gave me no instructions for what to do with it once I left the salon, which leads me to believe he expected me to wear my hair as-is to a public event. NO WAY that was going to happpen! He didn't even show me the back. No hand-held mirror, nothing. It was NOT CUTE. He sent me home with some samples, but did not hard sell me on the products, other than preaching about the deep conditioning treatment that I NEED. (per him) Anyway, I fluffed it a bit on the way home and I had some serious concerns that I had just purchased myself a very expensive mullet.

    First and second picture is post-haircut on the way home.
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    I like it MUCH better today. I used a clarifying shampoo this morning just because I had SO MUCH PRODUCT in my hair, so it is a bit fluffier than normal, but overall I am pleased. I like the way that it is laying and I think it will be easier to wash and go.

    What do you guys think?
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    2a/b/c, coarse, high porosity, high density, blonde highlights hiding my salt and pepper, just a lot of dang wavy hair, is what it is.
  • amberlawamberlaw Posts: 18Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    Oh, I thought I deleted the first picture I took in the car but I found it. This is the one I sent to my husband. You can tell by my expression how I felt about my hair when I left. You guys. I can't even. THIS IS HOW I WALKED OUT. :crybaby:

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    2a/b/c, coarse, high porosity, high density, blonde highlights hiding my salt and pepper, just a lot of dang wavy hair, is what it is.
  • sixelamysixelamy Posts: 4,157Registered Users Curl Novice
    OMG THAT'S HOW YOU WALKED OUT!?? I would've walked out with my money back!!!! I am so sorry you did not like your stylist. A good stylist would hair talk with you and give you some sort of instruction. That's pretty awful.

    I will say the picture you posted today where you felt better about it is absolutely gorgeous! It's always better when you style it yourself.
    2c-3a - med-coarse - normal-high porosity - high density
    :bunny:
    NP/LP: CJ Daily Fix, KMF Whenever / Giovanni TTTT
    RO/LI: Aussie Moist, CJ Argan & Olive Oil, Hask Keratin Protein
    DC/PROTEIN: KC Stellar Strands / CNPF
    STYLER: CJ Curl Queen
    COLOR: henna, amla & indigo
    :thumbdown:: glycerin in high/low dews, polyquat-10 & 11, parabens
  • chupiechupie Posts: 5,280Registered Users Curl Connoisseur
    amberlaw wrote: »
    Oh, I thought I deleted the first picture I took in the car but I found it. This is the one I sent to my husband. You can tell by my expression how I felt about my hair when I left. You guys. I can't even. THIS IS HOW I WALKED OUT. :crybaby:

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    Yikes. That sounds like a bad experience all around. Though I agree, I think you will be able to work with this cut. But wow, bad bad stylist! I do not understand no mirror, no listening to you about the roughness. He didn't show you how to style because he obviously didn't know what to do with a wavy. That seems to be an issue all around. I have never left a salon looking good, but that didn't mean I didn't get a good cut. I often have but I can't wait to restyle and that is the case with most wavies I know. I guess I would not go back to him what with all the negatives, but I do think you have a cut that will work well. I just think next time you can get a good cut that isn't a bad experience!!!
    2a medium porous, You can see my wavy tutorials here: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLy8bclCLgER5N_uVYSYZNxhBHSXAW40OQ and my wavy blog is The Wavy Nation http://wavynation.wordpress.com
  • Maggie86Maggie86 Posts: 83Registered Users
    Amber I am not a fan of the way they let you walked out the salon! But I find the last picture is very pretty!! Its unbelievable how we know better how to make our hair pretty than the hairstylists...and this was a specialist!! anyways, I like the haircut and you style it a lot better than the people at the salon :lol:
  • amberlawamberlaw Posts: 18Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    Thanks you guys!! I was so relieved when my hair was finally dry enough this morning to see what it was going to do. SO. RELIEVED. I wish I was ballsy enough to demand my money back but at the end of the day, I am fine with the cut. It just occurred to me that he never asked me what style I wanted. I didn't show him a single photograph, nothing. He just went to whacking at my head. AND HE WAS THE OWNER. Bizarre!!! I may have to travel to Memphis for my next cut - this is the only Ouidad place around as far as I can tell, and there are no Deva stylists near here. I just don't know about this redneck state of mine. :)

    Signed,

    A resigned wavy Arkansan
    2a/b/c, coarse, high porosity, high density, blonde highlights hiding my salt and pepper, just a lot of dang wavy hair, is what it is.
  • claudine191claudine191 Posts: 8,221Registered Users Curl Connoisseur
    I like the cut very much.......today. I can't imagine WTF he was thinking and he sounds insufferable, frankly. Also, were your ends in back wet when you left, or just crunchy?
  • amberlawamberlaw Posts: 18Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    It was still very wet at my roots, even though he had me hang my head backwards and diffused it for at least twenty minutes. My ends were straight up crunchy though. Absolutely dry. I took that picture about thirty seconds after I finished signing my credit card receipt.
    2a/b/c, coarse, high porosity, high density, blonde highlights hiding my salt and pepper, just a lot of dang wavy hair, is what it is.
  • claudine191claudine191 Posts: 8,221Registered Users Curl Connoisseur
    Well. I think this cut is very pretty, but since he's so bad at communicating, I'd feel leery about going back, even if it's to ask for the same thing.

    I like the shape he gave you.
  • Keltey1031Keltey1031 Posts: 115Registered Users
    amberlaw wrote: »
    Thanks you guys!! I was so relieved when my hair was finally dry enough this morning to see what it was going to do. SO. RELIEVED. I wish I was ballsy enough to demand my money back but at the end of the day, I am fine with the cut. It just occurred to me that he never asked me what style I wanted. I didn't show him a single photograph, nothing. He just went to whacking at my head. AND HE WAS THE OWNER. Bizarre!!! I may have to travel to Memphis for my next cut - this is the only Ouidad place around as far as I can tell, and there are no Deva stylists near here. I just don't know about this redneck state of mine. :)

    Signed,

    A resigned wavy Arkansan

    I'm sorry you had such a horrible experience! I was really shocked to see how the stylist let you walk out of the salon. The cut looks great though once you were able to clarify and style it yourself.

    I'm a wavy in Memphis and haven't had a ton of luck myself. Was there any particular salon you had in mind? I haven't tried Great Lengths Hair Salon which has a few Deva certified stylists, but that's mostly because it's way out of my budget.

    In February, I booked an appointment with Brittney Lepeard at D'Llands Hair Salon in Collierville, TN. She's young but she really took the time to listen to me despite the craziness that was going on in the salon that day. I can't remember what shampoo/conditioner she used on me but I do remember she wet cut my hair so that I could style my part on either side of my head. She also didn't use any styling products other than the Moroccanoil Treatment so I could see how my hair was going to lay once it was dry. On top of that, my cut actually cost me less than I thought it was going to so I ended up being able to tip her more.

    D'Llands isn't a "CG" salon per say and Collierville may be a bit out of the way for you but if you're interested, here's a link to her staff bio: Stylist - D'Llands Hair & Nail Salon in Collierville, TN Right now she only cuts hair on Fridays and Saturdays. Either way, if you're in Memphis for a cut, I'd definitely like to hear about your experience!
    2b/armpit length/high density/normal porosity/medium texture/normal elasticity
    Cut hair from mid-back length to armpit length on 9/19/15

    Current Products
    SM Strengthen Grow & Restore Shampoo
    SM Coconut Water Fruit Fusion Shampoo
    SM Marfura Oil Intensive Hydration Conditioner
    HE Naked Volumizing Souffle
  • LeanneMLeanneM Posts: 211Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    I'm so sorry you had such an awful experience --but I LOVE how you styled your own hair! It looks lovely!

    I've gone to four different Deva stylist the last few years, until I finally found the one tha I really love. (Actually, I loved another one, but she raised her prices like crazy, and is much too expensive.). All of them, though, have left way to much gel in my hair. I always like how I style it better.

    Your waves look lovely!
    Mod-CG since December 2010.
    Hair type: NC: 2A; FIA: 2cFii; Fine, normal porosity, normal elasticity
    Cleansing: CJ Cleansing Conditioner, Trader Joe's Tea Tree, or Deva No Poo
    Daily conditioner: Deva One C or CJ Beauticurls Strengthening Hair Cond or GPB
    Styling products: Deva B'Leave In + Deva Curl Cream + AnGel; or
    SS CEJ + BRHG; or AG: Recoil + BRHG; or KCKT + KCCC + BRHG
    Treatments: SS protein treatment or CJ Curl Fix or Nexxus Emergencee + CJ Curl Rehab

  • amberlawamberlaw Posts: 18Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    Thank you so much, LeanneM and Keltey1031. I am still experimenting but overall I still feel good about the cut. I would be interested in trying a Deva stylist though, and maybe a two hour trip a couple of times a year is not such a wild idea! My dad is in Olive Branch so Collierville isn't an unrealistic idea. I will definitely be keeping that suggestion at the forefront.

    Thank you again!
    2a/b/c, coarse, high porosity, high density, blonde highlights hiding my salt and pepper, just a lot of dang wavy hair, is what it is.
  • Keltey1031Keltey1031 Posts: 115Registered Users
    Let me know if you go to a Deva stylist in the Memphis area. I'd love to hear about your experience.
    2b/armpit length/high density/normal porosity/medium texture/normal elasticity
    Cut hair from mid-back length to armpit length on 9/19/15

    Current Products
    SM Strengthen Grow & Restore Shampoo
    SM Coconut Water Fruit Fusion Shampoo
    SM Marfura Oil Intensive Hydration Conditioner
    HE Naked Volumizing Souffle

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