Loosening Curls (From 3C to 3B)?

CurlyMan82CurlyMan82 Registered Users Posts: 219 Curl Neophyte
Hey all,

So, I'm 3c with a bit of 4a and I'm interested in loosening up my pattern a bit. This is what I have now:

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I've been growing for 26 months. I've been really liking this method I've been using lately (tightly curly). My curls actually blow in the wind instead of my hair just shaking because everything is frizzed together. Even looks different when I wash it now. Anyways, I really like my hair now, and I'm going to love it by the time it's shoulder-length-long in it's shrunken state. I used to look at pictures of braids all the time, thinking I was always going to have my hair in those, but now I'm amazed by curls and spend long amounts of time looking at pictures of them.

What I really like is the look of 3B curls. To me, they're perfect. If there was a way to loosen some of what I have now into 3B, I'd love it. Is there a safe way that I can go about doing that without causing damage/?

Comments

  • dandanalandandanalan Registered Users Posts: 7
    do you ever do deep treatments on your hair? try a protein treatment, ive started putting coconut milk on my hair every 3 weeks, and i dont know if it was just a coincidence but the first time i did it damn i swear my hair went from a 3b to a 2c/3a. but anyway its worth a try, especially if your hair's fine it will seriously benefit your the health of your hair because it can just make your curls look really defined and frizz free (speaking from personal experience)
  • CurlyMan82CurlyMan82 Registered Users Posts: 219 Curl Neophyte
    I deep condition every week using different oils. I've used macadamia, coconut, almond and now avocado. The one area of hair maintenance I haven't been conscious of at all is when it comes to protein. I know nothing about it.
  • CurlyMeshatCurlyMeshat Registered Users Posts: 1
    How I loosen up my curls is to apply a smoothing, silkening Hair Masque:love10: About once a week. You can choose from buying one at your local drugstore or making one at home from scratch (Which are the most effective!) Look on YouTube for hair masks from scratch and the changes come quickly. :wav:
  • CurlyMan82CurlyMan82 Registered Users Posts: 219 Curl Neophyte
    Still don't know much about protein at all, but from what I read yesterday, I think I'm in a position where I should do a protein treatment now.
    How I loosen up my curls is to apply a smoothing, silkening Hair Masque:love10: About once a week. You can choose from buying one at your local drugstore or making one at home from scratch (Which are the most effective!) Look on YouTube for hair masks from scratch and the changes come quickly. :wav:

    Any suggestions? I'm looking at trying one with coconut milk, honey and avocado.
  • MsPMsP Registered Users Posts: 116
    I do not think any natural remedy will take a 3c/4a to a 3b. I already told you a Brazilian Keratin Treatment will and that is about all that I am aware of which will accomplish what you're requesting.
    My Routine:
    Coconut oil drench the night before I co-wash
    then cowash and deep condition each time w/ Keracare Humecto, Joico Moisture Recovery and/or ApHogee 2min
    then usually airdry
    Grapeseed oil nightly

    (no gel, mouse, or hair spray. My delicate, fine hair will tear if I even try to run my fingers through it with any of those. :angel9:)
    My go to leave ins are now: my regular conditioners listed above, gs oil, or PW77
  • ReservechicReservechic Registered Users Posts: 798
    MsP wrote: »
    I do not think any natural remedy will take a 3c/4a to a 3b. I already told you a Brazilian Keratin Treatment will and that is about all that I am aware of which will accomplish what you're requesting.

    I totally agree. There is no natural remedy that can provide the type of dramatic loosening effects to your curls that you are looking for. I have seen individuals explore using all types of ways to stretch out their curls, in order to gain the look of a looser curl pattern. I have never personally seen any type of dramatic effects achieved from such. Of course, there are professional straightening treatments that exist, which includes the BKT, which are alternatives to relaxers and texturizers, but these treatments are very costly, there is always the risk of possible damage, the straightening/hair loosening effects are temporary, and after a number of months, you do have to go back and get necessary touch ups.

    Honestly, I personally think that your natural curls look very beautiful just the way that they are. Please know that I truly mean this very much.
    Diagnosed with Scalp Eczema 6/2015
    (Don't hair type/loose curl pattern/fine texture/low density/high porosity

    Current Regimen (Ayurvedic Based):
    Cleansers- Bobeam Shampoo Bars
    Stylers-Rotate between Camille Rose Naturals Almond Jai Twisting Butter and Camille Rose Naturals Aloe Whipped Butter Gel

    I only wear my hair in wash n gos or buns. Also,
    I do not use conditioner on my hair on a weekly basis. And, my hair is A ok with that!
  • MsPMsP Registered Users Posts: 116

    ... there is always the risk of possible damage, the straightening/hair loosening effects are temporary, and after a number of months,
    Having had several of them myself, I must say that they are no more damaging than having a session of flat ironing in general. The product used is about like a protein conditioner that is flat ironed in the hair so the product has no damaging effect (that I have noticed ) at all. I will say that the product actually made my hair feel stronger and less likely to break or tear.
    The effects are pretty temporary though. On fine hair the effects can be longer lasting. When it is time to do it over, you have the option of doing a new treatment on the entire length of the strand if you want the texture on the length a bit looser still. IF, however you want only the new growth loosened when doing the retouch, then confine the flat ironing to the area of the new growth only and maybe just do only one pass at the most on the previously treated ends. Confine the 4-10 passes of the full treatment to the new growth only that needs to be loosened to catch up with the ends.
    Curlyman, for your hair type, the product should be left in for an hour with a conditioner cap and maybe heat of a hooded dryer before starting to flat iron it in the hair. Then leave the product in the hair and keep the hair straight for 3 days before you wet it to see the loosened effect. There after, do not use any sulfate shampoos or any products with salts in them to maintain the effects.
    My Routine:
    Coconut oil drench the night before I co-wash
    then cowash and deep condition each time w/ Keracare Humecto, Joico Moisture Recovery and/or ApHogee 2min
    then usually airdry
    Grapeseed oil nightly

    (no gel, mouse, or hair spray. My delicate, fine hair will tear if I even try to run my fingers through it with any of those. :angel9:)
    My go to leave ins are now: my regular conditioners listed above, gs oil, or PW77
  • BluebloodBlueblood Registered Users Posts: 1,748 Curl Neophyte
    MsP wrote: »
    Having had several of them myself, I must say that they are no more damaging than having a session of flat ironing in general.

    Some people's curls are destroyed by one flat ironing session.
  • CurlyMan82CurlyMan82 Registered Users Posts: 219 Curl Neophyte
    MsP wrote: »
    I do not think any natural remedy will take a 3c/4a to a 3b. I already told you a Brazilian Keratin Treatment will and that is about all that I am aware of which will accomplish what you're requesting.

    Yes, you already told me. :tongue3:
    MsP wrote: »
    I do not think any natural remedy will take a 3c/4a to a 3b. I already told you a Brazilian Keratin Treatment will and that is about all that I am aware of which will accomplish what you're requesting.

    I totally agree. There is no natural remedy that can provide the type of dramatic loosening effects to your curls that you are looking for. I have seen individuals explore using all types of ways to stretch out their curls, in order to gain the look of a looser curl pattern. I have never personally seen any type of dramatic effects achieved from such. Of course, there are professional straightening treatments that exist, which includes the BKT, which are alternatives to relaxers and texturizers, but these treatments are very costly, there is always the risk of possible damage, the straightening/hair loosening effects are temporary, and after a number of months, you do have to go back and get necessary touch ups.

    Honestly, I personally think that your natural curls look very beautiful just the way that they are. Please know that I truly mean this very much.

    I appreciate what you're trying to do, but this is just not about how I want other people to feel about it. And going from 3c to 3b doesn't sound that crazy when you think about it. I really like 3b, but I'm not going to jeopardize what I have in order to reach that.
    Blueblood wrote: »
    MsP wrote: »
    Having had several of them myself, I must say that they are no more damaging than having a session of flat ironing in general.

    Some people's curls are destroyed by one flat ironing session.

    Which is why I just won't do that. A natural way that just might get me there? Why not?
  • MsPMsP Registered Users Posts: 116
    I suggest you do a strand test then. Get a BKT and do just one swatch of hair and see how it responds when you rinse it out 3 days later.
    The only alternatives I've heard of are the coconut milk and lemon juice treatment
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I72wtCPf8qA
    and the caramel treatment (Diva smooth)
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s8Uy_UaaXKk
    Neither of them really work imo. In fact a BKT on 3c/4a hair will even barely show any results. You may NOT get to a 3b with your first BKT even. It may take you a couple attempts even with that. It will probably still look like a 3c but just with really defined curls and less frizz your first time unless you do a really thorough job your first time even with a BKT. Type 2 hair generally shows more dramatic results than hair leaning toward type 4 which tends to be more resistant unless it is already loose or very fine. With the other two "natural" treatments, you will probably just feel like you only did a good conditioner if you see any effects at all.

    PS There is one more that I forgot called the Cherry Lola treatment
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QAafaJWWKUw
    It likewise will define your curls a little bit but will not take you to a 3b.
    My Routine:
    Coconut oil drench the night before I co-wash
    then cowash and deep condition each time w/ Keracare Humecto, Joico Moisture Recovery and/or ApHogee 2min
    then usually airdry
    Grapeseed oil nightly

    (no gel, mouse, or hair spray. My delicate, fine hair will tear if I even try to run my fingers through it with any of those. :angel9:)
    My go to leave ins are now: my regular conditioners listed above, gs oil, or PW77
  • CurlyMan82CurlyMan82 Registered Users Posts: 219 Curl Neophyte
    MsP wrote: »
    I do not think any natural remedy will take a 3c/4a to a 3b. I already told you a Brazilian Keratin Treatment will and that is about all that I am aware of which will accomplish what you're requesting.
    MsP wrote: »
    I do not think any natural remedy will take a 3c/4a to a 3b. I already told you a Brazilian Keratin Treatment will and that is about all that I am aware of which will accomplish what you're requesting.

    I totally agree. There is no natural remedy that can provide the type of dramatic loosening effects to your curls that you are looking for. I have seen individuals explore using all types of ways to stretch out their curls, in order to gain the look of a looser curl pattern. I have never personally seen any type of dramatic effects achieved from such. Of course, there are professional straightening treatments that exist, which includes the BKT, which are alternatives to relaxers and texturizers, but these treatments are very costly, there is always the risk of possible damage, the straightening/hair loosening effects are temporary, and after a number of months, you do have to go back and get necessary touch ups.

    Honestly, I personally think that your natural curls look very beautiful just the way that they are. Please know that I truly mean this very much.
    Blueblood wrote: »
    MsP wrote: »
    Having had several of them myself, I must say that they are no more damaging than having a session of flat ironing in general.

    Some people's curls are destroyed by one flat ironing session.
    MsP wrote: »
    I suggest you do a strand test then. Get a BKT and do just one swatch of hair and see how it responds when you rinse it out 3 days later.
    The only alternatives I've heard of are the coconut milk and lemon juice treatment
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I72wtCPf8qA
    and the caramel treatment (Diva smooth)
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s8Uy_UaaXKk
    Neither of them really work imo. In fact a BKT on 3c/4a hair will even barely show any results. You may NOT get to a 3b with your first BKT even. It may take you a couple attempts even with that. It will probably still look like a 3c but just with really defined curls and less frizz your first time unless you do a really thorough job your first time even with a BKT. Type 2 hair generally shows more dramatic results than hair leaning toward type 4 which tends to be more resistant unless it is already loose or very fine. With the other two "natural" treatments, you will probably just feel like you only did a good conditioner if you see any effects at all.

    PS There is one more that I forgot called the Cherry Lola treatment
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QAafaJWWKUw
    It likewise will define your curls a little bit but will not take you to a 3b.

    Well, I'll have to see. I've heard a lot about coconut milk, and I just tried it last night. still have my deep conditioning cap on my head. Don't know why some people say it smells bad, because I feel exactly the opposite.

    Thanks for the links.
  • BluebloodBlueblood Registered Users Posts: 1,748 Curl Neophyte
    Have you tried perm rods to set your curls differently?

    That could give them a different curl pattern temporarily.

    I'm not sure what size rods and what setting lotion you would need but looking at pictures on other hair sites like curlynikki and blackgirllong hair, it would probably temporarily give you what you wanted.
  • CurlyMan82CurlyMan82 Registered Users Posts: 219 Curl Neophyte
    MsP wrote: »
    I do not think any natural remedy will take a 3c/4a to a 3b. I already told you a Brazilian Keratin Treatment will and that is about all that I am aware of which will accomplish what you're requesting.
    MsP wrote: »
    I do not think any natural remedy will take a 3c/4a to a 3b. I already told you a Brazilian Keratin Treatment will and that is about all that I am aware of which will accomplish what you're requesting.

    I totally agree. There is no natural remedy that can provide the type of dramatic loosening effects to your curls that you are looking for. I have seen individuals explore using all types of ways to stretch out their curls, in order to gain the look of a looser curl pattern. I have never personally seen any type of dramatic effects achieved from such. Of course, there are professional straightening treatments that exist, which includes the BKT, which are alternatives to relaxers and texturizers, but these treatments are very costly, there is always the risk of possible damage, the straightening/hair loosening effects are temporary, and after a number of months, you do have to go back and get necessary touch ups.

    Honestly, I personally think that your natural curls look very beautiful just the way that they are. Please know that I truly mean this very much.
    Blueblood wrote: »
    MsP wrote: »
    Having had several of them myself, I must say that they are no more damaging than having a session of flat ironing in general.

    Some people's curls are destroyed by one flat ironing session.

    That first link says it's a hair straightening treatment O.o
  • MsPMsP Registered Users Posts: 116
    it says "straightening" treatment but they are using the term very loosely. It is just coconut milk with lemon or lime juice and a thickener. You said you tried coconut milk so you should know it does not straighten your hair type at all.
    IMO coconut milk is a very slight conditioner for the hair and that is all.
    My Routine:
    Coconut oil drench the night before I co-wash
    then cowash and deep condition each time w/ Keracare Humecto, Joico Moisture Recovery and/or ApHogee 2min
    then usually airdry
    Grapeseed oil nightly

    (no gel, mouse, or hair spray. My delicate, fine hair will tear if I even try to run my fingers through it with any of those. :angel9:)
    My go to leave ins are now: my regular conditioners listed above, gs oil, or PW77
  • CurlyMan82CurlyMan82 Registered Users Posts: 219 Curl Neophyte
    MsP wrote: »
    it says "straightening" treatment but they are using the term very loosely. It is just coconut milk with lemon or lime juice and a thickener. You said you tried coconut milk so you should know it does not straighten your hair type at all.
    IMO coconut milk is a very slight conditioner for the hair and that is all.

    Yeah, I'm fine with those. Not quite sure about what effect the corn starch would have.

    Looks like I already happen to have the stuff to do every one of these though.
  • MsPMsP Registered Users Posts: 116
    The cornstarch just thickens the coconut milk, lemon juice and oil to make it thick like a thick cream to put on your head.
    My Routine:
    Coconut oil drench the night before I co-wash
    then cowash and deep condition each time w/ Keracare Humecto, Joico Moisture Recovery and/or ApHogee 2min
    then usually airdry
    Grapeseed oil nightly

    (no gel, mouse, or hair spray. My delicate, fine hair will tear if I even try to run my fingers through it with any of those. :angel9:)
    My go to leave ins are now: my regular conditioners listed above, gs oil, or PW77

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