Please advice? :)

EntropyEntropy Registered Users Posts: 67
Hi everyone,
I've been doing modified CG (low-poo) for about eight months, prior to that I did no-poo for a couple of months (which was a disaster), before this I straightened my hair constantly and used alll the cones etc that I liked. My natural hair looked as it does in my profile picture. I wasn't happy with it, but it looked way better than it does now.
A year of CG, and my hair looks awful!! Curlier, yes, but it just looks terrible! I'm very tempted to go back to the cones, but before I do, I'm giving this one last shot by asking for some product advice!

I have 2A hair, and it is very dull and just sort of dirty looking, no shine whatsoever, which really bothers me.

I wash and condition with shea moisture, I use a shea moisture leave-in and then apply eco-styler gel before plopping, it looks OK with this routine, but never, ever 'nice'. Just curly.. I also do a coconut oil or egg, or mayonaise masque every week or so. My hair is falling out.. literally, in great clumps every time I wash (every two to three days), my scalp is awful, very itchy and flakey and scabby!

I did a hair analysis, which came back as follows (I've edited it, because the original analysis was huge!! This was also done very soon after doing CG, so I don't know what state my hair is in now!:
Normal elasticity when dry
Low elasticity when wet
Porosity: low at roots, normal in middle, high at ends.
Hydration: emphasize film-forming humectants and hydrolyzed proteins as your hair tolerates them. And use oil-pre washing hair! Oil pre-wash treatments with coconut oil or olive oil or sunflower oil, left on for 4-8 hours help soften hair and keep it hydrated throughout the wetting and washing process.
Increased flexibility, and softness: use deep conditioning pre-wash treatments. Mixing honey with the deep conditioner would be good.
Use extra conditioner in the ends, and use leave-in conditioner in the lower half of hair.
Use protein occasionally. A rule of thumb is to try smaller to medium hydrolyzed proteins (from keratin, collagen, gelatin, milk, corn) and use them when other things are not working to see if some protein is the active ingredient that gets the job done.

Does anyone have similar hair and any routines/products they care to share?? I'd really like a complete routine to try and follow if anyone has similar hair? I'd also love to know what "emphasize film-forming humectants and hydrolyzed proteins as your hair tolerates them" means?? :p
I've cut my hair to shoulder length recently, because my hair just looks horrible :(

In short, I'd like less frizz, less clumping, less 'poof', and some shine!! :D


  • chupiechupie Registered Users Posts: 5,280 Curl Connoisseur
    I don't have the same properties but I know for me SM is too heavy and kind of builds up. Also not all wavies, especially we 2as can aways co-wash or low poo. I have to dilute sulfate wash at least once or twice a month. Or use a strong clarifier like Kinky Curly come clean. I also can't apply product clear t the root as some do. It will just look icky.
    I can get quite shiny hair as long as I don't let it go too long between washes and then it gets so dry it just looks fuzzy. Have you tired other products at all?
    2a medium porous, You can see my wavy tutorials here: and my wavy blog is The Wavy Nation
  • hookilauhookilau Registered Users Posts: 269
    I find Shea Moisture too heavy for me too.

    I liked it at first, but I realize now that it was because I had used it to follow up with a weekly Protein Tx.

    I tried to use it in between as a co-wash & it was a no-go.

    My hair felt super soft and moisturized while co-washing, but then it began to feel waxy. It's just too much for me for a co-wash.

    Ignore that part of my siggy, I haven't had a chance to change it yet :confused5:

    I'm using Tresemme undone right now for co-wash and today, I bit the bullet and used the coordinating low poo because hair was just laying there like a slug :?
    Following CG
    fine, medium-low density :confused5:
    protein loving, porous, elasticity ?

    Co-wash: Tresemme Perfectly Undone
    LI/RO: GVP Conditioning Balm, Jane Carter Solutions Nutrient Replenishing Conditioner
    Stylers: KCCC, AG recoil, CurlKeeper, As I am curling pudding
    Protein treatments: Aphogee's Keratin 2 minute reconstructor, and Colorful neutral protein filler

    Loves: aloe, glycerin & polyquats even in neg dews
  • 2BeOrNot2B2BeOrNot2B Registered Users Posts: 133
    Ditto on the Shea Moisture products except the Coconut & Hibiscus Hold & Shine Moisture Mist. They build up on my hair really bad. Before I realized it my hair wasn't looking very good. I too had hair falling out. And it took a while to get the build up out. I had to clarify and use diluted sulfate shampoo for a while. I don't CO wash as it doesn't work for my hair.
    The CG method is all about trial and error. I do what works for my hair whether it's CG approved or not.
    You could try cutting out the SM products and using a clarifying shampoo and see how your hair reacts.
  • EntropyEntropy Registered Users Posts: 67
    Thanks everyone. I keep hearing how SM builds up :\
    I'm still confused about what counts as a 'clarifying' shampoo.. any I've found that say they are clarifying have cones etc.
    I've tried baking soda to 'clarify' and castille soap, both have awful results.
    I'm just not sure what to try other than SM to be honest, I've previously tried Organix, which now contains a cone, and didn't work anyway, and Desert Essence, which wasn't great.
    I live in the UK, so I spend £13 ($25?) on each SM product.. it's pretty expensive! So I wouldn't mind changing, just not sure what to try instead..
  • chupiechupie Registered Users Posts: 5,280 Curl Connoisseur
    Honestly just go find a simple sulfate shampoo and dilute it. You are having serious issues especially scalp issues co-washing. So I wouldn't fool around. There has to be something. It sounds like you weren't having those issues before. It's not uncommon for wavies to not have the issues with a diluted sulfate that say a real curly would. It would also solve build up issues. I'd still try staying away from SM for a styler. I know you have access to Boots creme and a lot of people like that really well.
    2a medium porous, You can see my wavy tutorials here: and my wavy blog is The Wavy Nation
  • chupiechupie Registered Users Posts: 5,280 Curl Connoisseur
    Also I think there are some Giannini no silicone options for conditioners and such?
    2a medium porous, You can see my wavy tutorials here: and my wavy blog is The Wavy Nation
  • EntropyEntropy Registered Users Posts: 67
    I don't co-wash, I low-poo.
    I'll have a look around for a sulphate shampoo..
    I haven't tried Giannini, I thought I had, but that was Giovanni! Terrible for my hair :o
  • chupiechupie Registered Users Posts: 5,280 Curl Connoisseur
    I am not sure now! But I think it there is a Gianinni.
    2a medium porous, You can see my wavy tutorials here: and my wavy blog is The Wavy Nation

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