Curly 2B on bottom, straight on top. Help!

chelsea922chelsea922 Posts: 4Registered Users
Hi all.

I'm new here and came across Naturally Curly in my search for help with my ridiculous problem.

My hair is curly 2B on the bottom and straight on the top. I'm not talking about the same strands of hair. I'm talking about the strands of hair on the top half of my scalp are straight, and the strands on the bottom half of my scalp are curly. Even when I use the paul mitchell full circle leave in treatment (or any curl product for that matter) it does nothing. I still either have to straighten my whole head or curl the top portion.

Does anyone else have this problem? I used to straighten my hair a lot and for the past year and half I've been leaving it "natural" which isn't really happening because I still have to curl the top. How do you get around this problem?

PS I tried to include photos but it wouldn't allow me to post a link since this is my first post...

Comments

  • Corrina777Corrina777 Posts: 3,204Registered Users Curl Connoisseur
    It's not unusual for waves to not start all the way up at the roots. It sounds like your waves start down a bit. You might want to try clipping to add some volume at the roots.
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    3a/f/iii
    Modified CG since 11/5/11
    CLEANSE: CJ Daily Fix, DevaCare No-Poo, CHS Treatment Shampoo
    RO: SS Caitlin's Conditioner, CJ Beauticurls Strengthening
    LI: SS Repairing Protein Treatment, CHS Silk Leave-In
    STYLE: Re:Coil, Curl Keeper, Deva Ultra Defining Gel, Curls Rock Amplifier,Sweet Curls Elixirs Okra Gel and Hard Hold Gel, SS Curl Enhancing Jelly and Firm Hold Gel
  • chelsea922chelsea922 Posts: 4Registered Users
    Thank you Corrina :). I just edited my post to make it clearer because reading it now after your reply it's not coming across how it actually is.

    I'm not talking about the same strands and pieces of hair are half curly and half straight. I'm talking about the top section of my scalp is full straight strands whereas the bottom section of my scalp is full curly strands.
  • chupiechupie Posts: 5,280Registered Users Curl Connoisseur
    Your canopy is a lot straighter. That's not uncommon. It's why I clip my hair back a LOT. We all have theories why this might be. Believe it or not it will probably get better with time, and technique and growing in less damages hair but the fact is that the canopy is often straighter. Me, I personally don't think adding the stray curling iron spiral to blend that part in is so bad. It could also be the right cut may bring out a little more wave there. But honestly that is a sad fact of many wavies. You get half and half.
    2a medium porous, You can see my wavy tutorials here: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLy8bclCLgER5N_uVYSYZNxhBHSXAW40OQ and my wavy blog is The Wavy Nation http://wavynation.wordpress.com
  • chupiechupie Posts: 5,280Registered Users Curl Connoisseur
    Also you can practice pin curling those pieces. That can get you a more uniform look.
    2a medium porous, You can see my wavy tutorials here: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLy8bclCLgER5N_uVYSYZNxhBHSXAW40OQ and my wavy blog is The Wavy Nation http://wavynation.wordpress.com
  • chupiechupie Posts: 5,280Registered Users Curl Connoisseur
    You can also pin curl those pieces to get a more uniform look.
    2a medium porous, You can see my wavy tutorials here: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLy8bclCLgER5N_uVYSYZNxhBHSXAW40OQ and my wavy blog is The Wavy Nation http://wavynation.wordpress.com
  • SpiralHamSpiralHam Posts: 477Registered Users
    I agree, it gets better over time. "Curl" products don't do anything for me either. Make sure that you are using products with either (a) water soluble silicones or (b) no silicones at all if you are trying earnestly to do the CG thing. A good list of silicones can be found here. If some of your curl products contain insoluble silicones then you are probably still not doing your hair any favors. This was how I was smothering my true patterns (I didn't do heat styling).

    It takes a few months with the CG method to really see your true patterns emerge. Be patient! I have about 4 patterns that I can count - and they will never be like each other.

    The right cut really can make all the difference - trust me on this.
    Smorgasbord of finer, porous 2a-3a; straight underlayer

    :thumbleft: collagen
    :thumbdown: humectants outside of optimal dews, PVP, oils/butters, anything remotely comedogenic

    poos: Giovanni TTT, WF365FF, Suave Clarifying
    condishes: VO5 VMT, KLS; IonEC
    stylers: FSG, 4NSBCC, VolumaxMega, AIF, GFPC


    Mod CG since 11/2012. My waves occasionally look best when combed out, so you can pry my combs from my cold, dead hands :laughing6:
  • chelsea922chelsea922 Posts: 4Registered Users
    Thank you guys! I'm trying to figure out how to get my curls to dry evenly and therefore decrease the time I spend fixing them in the morning. I just got a new job and I'm going to have to leave pretty early in the morning for the commute. Less time spent on my hair, the better.

    Do any of you have success with plopping? Right now I just air dry it but I'm curious about that. I also just bought a sea salt texturizing spray...
  • QuincyQuincy Posts: 12Registered Users
    I haven't had any success with plopping, but I would urge you to try AG's re:coil if you have a chance. I was having serious issues making my canopy look even remotely curly (to match my underlayer) but re:coil has helped SO MUCH.

    What kind of products are you using otherwise? I'm a newbie but I've tried SO much stuff I can at least tell you my personal experience.
  • SpiralHamSpiralHam Posts: 477Registered Users
    I never got the hang of plopping. I have some weird cowlick in the front and a strong center part that makes things really wonky if I try to plop or style upside down. I pixie diffuse instead. But plopping may work for you - and some people report being able to sleep in a plop!

    When I have a place to go early in the morning, sometimes I will do my hair in the evening and sleep with it in a pineapple or high ponytail. I got a couple of days out of this over the weekend by not breaking the gel cast the first night I slept in it.

    So many things to try! Take a good read through the boards and use the search function liberally. What will really help concerning products is to identify your hair type (fine vs. coarse, porous vs. nonporous, etc.) and your climate - these factors determine a lot of how a particular product might perform for you. It's all about the ingredients.
    Smorgasbord of finer, porous 2a-3a; straight underlayer

    :thumbleft: collagen
    :thumbdown: humectants outside of optimal dews, PVP, oils/butters, anything remotely comedogenic

    poos: Giovanni TTT, WF365FF, Suave Clarifying
    condishes: VO5 VMT, KLS; IonEC
    stylers: FSG, 4NSBCC, VolumaxMega, AIF, GFPC


    Mod CG since 11/2012. My waves occasionally look best when combed out, so you can pry my combs from my cold, dead hands :laughing6:
  • chelsea922chelsea922 Posts: 4Registered Users
    Thanks Quincy! I'm going to try the AG Recoil. I've tried a few products but mainly I just have been using the Paul Mitchell Curl full circle treatment which isn't fantastic but it's done the best work.
  • chupiechupie Posts: 5,280Registered Users Curl Connoisseur
    Plopping only recently started working for me. It took a length past my shoulders.
    2a medium porous, You can see my wavy tutorials here: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLy8bclCLgER5N_uVYSYZNxhBHSXAW40OQ and my wavy blog is The Wavy Nation http://wavynation.wordpress.com
  • cm03cm03 Posts: 24Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    To help gve your hair a little lift and the appearance of top half waves, I'd definitely look into clipping. There's a great post on the Wavy Library blog with different clipping techniques. Mine isn't quite that straight at the top but it definitely falls flat so here is my current routine for days I wash or cowash

    rake through leave in condish (kind of the Ouidad rake and shake method)
    Scrunch/scrunch and pump gel throughout and roughly part
    Plop (I lay an old tee shirt on my bed, bend over and put all my hair onto the tee directly "under" my head, gather top tee material on the sides and twist till tight, stand up and tuck ends under)
    I leave it plopped while I start doing makeup, etc (10-15min)
    Unplop, adjust any crazy strands that went to the wrong side of my part (very few once I got the hang of plopping)
    Clip with little alligator clips (the super cheapie ones, don't need the deva "revolutionary clips"! lol) Typically I clip 4-5 chunks on each side of my part, 1-2 in back, and sometimes a few down the middle of the part, taking some of the clipped hair from each side)
    I'm trying not to dry/diffuse too much because I'm getting dried out but I do at least use the heat of the air to set my curl with a quick diffuse to the lengths and a straight "shot" to the clipped part.
    Unclip when totally dry and SOTC with a little argan oil.

    The plop REALLY helped define my waves when I was transitioning from regular poo/cones to CG and made me realize I had actual waves and not just a mop of frizzy straight hair. ;)

    I'm still learning and tweaking but definitely try the plop and the clips. It will help to at least give you some lift and volume on the straighter areas.:thumbup:


    Quincy- don't want to hijack but is the reCoil drying at all? I've had it in my amazon cart for 6 months and can't decide whether to pull the trigger!
  • AngelaE8654AngelaE8654 Posts: 1,099Banned Users Curl Neophyte
    I just bought yet ANOTHER hair dryer/diffuser combo (this time the hair dryer is one I've had before and loved) and it's the big, big bowl type diffuser. I realized as I was diffusing my hair that diffusing and plopping are actually exactly the same thing. Plopping is done without heat and takes longer while diffusing uses heat. But the "action" and the results are pretty much the same thing.
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]

    I'm definitely a "curly" 2c. Sometimes curly and sometimes just wavy upper layer with a ringlety under layer. My hair has been thick and coarse since birth. Strawberry blonde in color that can and does change depending on the type and amount of light.


    All in all, I'm happy with my hair type but almost for sure think yours is prettier. :)
  • artcurlsartcurls Posts: 28Registered Users
    I had problems with my canopy also. Before going CG I thought it was straight. Protein really has helped. I will do a treatment at least once a month. My canopy needs extra tlc. After my hair has dried, I will spray with my conditioner/gel water mix and scrunch it even more. The canopy just gets hit with everything, take extra care of it and you'll see some results.:)
    CG since 2011

    Hair Type:
    2b/c(top layer) 2c/3a (under layers)
    Porosity: Low
    Density: High
    Width: Fine on top/Medium underneath

    blonde hi-lights

    Products & process:
    (still figuring this out!!)

    Trader Joe's Mint Tea Shampoo every 3/4 days
    Trader Joe's Nourishing Conditioner
    Deva One Condition LI or Shea Moisture LI
    Herbal Essences Totally Twisted Curl Creame
    Plop about 20 minutes
    Clip roots
    Air Dry

    Lavender Mist as needed to revive curls
    Pineapple at night
  • Ericab99Ericab99 Posts: 1Registered Users, Curl Ambassador Curl Neophyte
    Omg I have this same problem!My hair is 2a/b on top and more like 2c underneath. Luckily my hair is pretty thick so I have it shoulder length and stacked so there is not as much of the top layer. When I had my hair long I would put it in 2 braids after I showered at night to keep the curls uniform. This is a problem that most people with type 2 hair have.

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