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Sudden porosity switch--anyone else?

Well, my dreams came true. I no longer have zero porosity hair. It took awhile to show up, as I'd done an amla treatment which (temporarily) made my hair lo po. But dying it slightly with hydrogen peroxide has changed my hair porosity dramatically. Glycerin is no longer my friend (sitting here with true clown frizz). I can grease up my hair and by the end of the day it's dry. I feel a little overwhelmed and lost. It's like I woke up in opposite world. What was down is now up. I may even have to switch from borax to CO washing. Who'dda thunk it.

I'll visit the normal/high porosity forums, but in the meantime, does anyone have any advice for handling a sudden porosity switch? The main thing now is learning to seal my hair, but in a way that won't grease it up or weigh it down (being a fine wavy, it's still prone to that even if not like before).

One thing I'll say though; I don't miss the long drying times. My hair now dries in less than 1/2 hour, easily, when diffused. And I love getting to put more product in my hair; I can now rake things through and still get it to curl afterwards (couldn't do that before). Any of you out there ever experience sudden porosity change? How long did it take you to acclimate?

3A/f/i
Super baby fine hair, low porosity
Shampoos: SM Fruit Fusion (mostly), Avalon lemon (to clarify). Occasional aloe vera and glycerin to wash.
Stylers: Intelligent Nutrients Perfect Hold Hairspray
Treatments: Catnip tea, IA girl's PT, Fermented Rice Water, Catnip Tea, Amla tea, Irish Moss, SS PT

Comments

  • ZeldahimeZeldahime Posts: 223Registered Users
    I think what it comes down to is that most people go through this if they do some kind of chemical treatment to their hair, the most common being dying. Some hair is more resistant than others, but being that you have fine hair, it almost sounds somewhat like mine. My hair is always high porosity in varying degrees but there is a fine line between what my hair will tolerate and what is just too much!

    I don't think there are much of any more tips than you already know, you just have to adjust and try your routine. I will say this though: As a fine/very fine high porosity haired person, I actually still lo poo my hair once/week, and cowash in between if needed. Maybe that will change when winter comes but this has been working great all summer with no need to use a clarifying and/or more stripping poo.
    Very fine, high porosity, currently dyed and growing out the relaxed portions. I'm pretty sure my hair's 3b something IIRC. We will be finding out for sure as time goes by.
  • sixelamysixelamy Posts: 4,156Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    The best way I find to apply products and keep my hair as soft feeling as I can without it being weighed down is to apply my leave in when hair is soaking wet, get about 2 drops or 2 sprays of an oil on my hands and scrunch into ends only, then apply my gel. Works like a charm! I can totally tell the difference between using an oil to seal and not using one.
    2c-3a - med-coarse - normal-high porosity - high density
    :bunny:
    NP/LP: CJ Daily Fix, KMF Whenever / Giovanni TTTT
    RO/LI: Aussie Moist, CJ Argan & Olive Oil, Hask Keratin Protein
    DC/PROTEIN: KC Stellar Strands / CNPF
    STYLER: CJ Curl Queen
    COLOR: henna, amla & indigo
    :thumbdown:: glycerin in high/low dews, polyquat-10 & 11, parabens
  • naturecatnaturecat Posts: 1,986Registered Users
    sixelamy wrote: »
    The best way I find to apply products and keep my hair as soft feeling as I can without it being weighed down is to apply my leave in when hair is soaking wet, get about 2 drops or 2 sprays of an oil on my hands and scrunch into ends only, then apply my gel. Works like a charm! I can totally tell the difference between using an oil to seal and not using one.

    Oh, you put the oil on after leave in, before applying your products. This sealing thing is brand new to me. I was thinking of using AVG to start with (though that may not be enough) and wasn't sure if applying that, or oil, would block products from entering. When you put oil on your ends only, does the fact that your hair is wet allow it to travel up the hair? My worst frizz, like always (but worse), is at the top of my hair, near the crown.

    I was considering using Aubrey Organics sea buckthorn leave in and curl activator (which I could only tolerate a little of before) as my first product, as it has some oil. I could try a leave in too…. since those have oil. I've never used leave in before. I feel like I'm a complete newbie here. :)

    Thanks for your input Zelahime; I find it comforting that I still have a hair twin. :) It was helpful for you to share your wash routine; I wasn't sure if I needed to shampoo my hair (with borax) at all anymore. So now I have a basis of some sorts to start with.

    3A/f/i
    Super baby fine hair, low porosity
    Shampoos: SM Fruit Fusion (mostly), Avalon lemon (to clarify). Occasional aloe vera and glycerin to wash.
    Stylers: Intelligent Nutrients Perfect Hold Hairspray
    Treatments: Catnip tea, IA girl's PT, Fermented Rice Water, Catnip Tea, Amla tea, Irish Moss, SS PT
  • Morgan_AdcockMorgan_Adcock Posts: 2,573Registered Users
    Actually, it sounds like you went from low porosity to high porosity.
    Peace,
    Morgan

    Baby Fine 3B, low porosity, normal density and elasticity
    CGing since July 2008
  • naturecatnaturecat Posts: 1,986Registered Users
    Actually, it sounds like you went from low porosity to high porosity.


    Indeed! I only put h.p. on my hair once or twice, for about an hour, so wasn't expecting such a dramatic difference. And when I'd done it before, I still had the amla treatment in my hair, so wasn't aware of the change. In the future I'm going to be careful to only put h.p. on each section only once. And I'll use coconut oil along with it, perhaps even adding it all to my henna mix, so that may tone down some of the porosity change. What's really weird to me, is that prior to this I had what I believe to have been the lowest porosity on this board. Now I've rebounded like a basketball on steroids.

    Edit: oh also wanted to ask, does the SM line work for fine wavies with high porosity? Before the line would not have worked for me; I may have to rethink things now. Does it alone seal the hair sufficiently (all that butter and oil)?

    3A/f/i
    Super baby fine hair, low porosity
    Shampoos: SM Fruit Fusion (mostly), Avalon lemon (to clarify). Occasional aloe vera and glycerin to wash.
    Stylers: Intelligent Nutrients Perfect Hold Hairspray
    Treatments: Catnip tea, IA girl's PT, Fermented Rice Water, Catnip Tea, Amla tea, Irish Moss, SS PT
  • sixelamysixelamy Posts: 4,156Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    I would still recommend using a TINY bit of oil on your ends and see how that does. The oils in conditioners don't seem to be enough, at least for me. I have coarse hair though. It just takes some experimenting, really. I'm not sure of the science behind it, I just know it works for me lol

    I wouldn't recommend the Shea Moisture products for fine hair. It tends to build up fast, especially if you have hard water. I don't have fine hair, and it made my hair a frizzy limp mess. The smoothie did great for sealing, but I needed to use a good shampoo at each wash to get it out.
    2c-3a - med-coarse - normal-high porosity - high density
    :bunny:
    NP/LP: CJ Daily Fix, KMF Whenever / Giovanni TTTT
    RO/LI: Aussie Moist, CJ Argan & Olive Oil, Hask Keratin Protein
    DC/PROTEIN: KC Stellar Strands / CNPF
    STYLER: CJ Curl Queen
    COLOR: henna, amla & indigo
    :thumbdown:: glycerin in high/low dews, polyquat-10 & 11, parabens
  • BeinDebBeinDeb Posts: 452Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    I'm a frog hair fine curly, low density, who has naturally high porosity, and my hair adores SM. I use both the Coconut and Hibiscus (summer) and the Yucca Balboa lines (winter). The most important tip for both that I can share, is to start out with minute amounts until you find how much your hair likes. There was definitely a learning curve for me. At just the right amount, my curls jump for joy! Too much, and they will get as limp as noodles.
  • ZeldahimeZeldahime Posts: 223Registered Users
    BeinDeb wrote: »
    I'm a frog hair fine curly, low density, who has naturally high porosity, and my hair adores SM. I use both the Coconut and Hibiscus (summer) and the Yucca Balboa lines (winter). The most important tip for both that I can share, is to start out with minute amounts until you find how much your hair likes. There was definitely a learning curve for me. At just the right amount, my curls jump for joy! Too much, and they will get as limp as noodles.

    This. My hair adores SM too and is very similar: naturally high porosity and very fine. I've been using a mixture of SM products from the Raw Shea Butter, African Black Soap, and Coconut and Hibiscus lines and my hair has been loving it! These were the first products I ever ran into where I can honestly say I could use too much without using half a bottle. They are potent!

    While many complain about the Souffle being too heavy/greasy I have fallen in love with it. Way better than KCCC, IMO and I still use the Smoothie to seal more on the ends. A little C&H spray, and the C&H milk to refresh on non wash days: I've been able to keep my hair going all week! I have turned into an SM junkie but the stuff just keeps on working.
    Very fine, high porosity, currently dyed and growing out the relaxed portions. I'm pretty sure my hair's 3b something IIRC. We will be finding out for sure as time goes by.