Sister's Hair

CurlyUniqueCurlyUnique Posts: 94Registered Users
Hey! I'm needing some help with my little sister's hair. First what do you guys think her hair type could be?
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Also product advice would be extremely welcome. Her hair is extremely frizzy. I know for sure she has fine hair, other properties I am not certain about. She has never dyed it. Her hair has been straightened once. I posted in the wavy section because the back of her head is really lacking curl. I do not know if that is because of damage or something like that or if that's just her curl pattern in the back. Should I have her start CG method? She's only eleven and not very into styling her hair so I've been iffy about having her start CG because I think it could be too much for her to do right now. But our dad complains about her frizz all the time. He has wavy/curly hair but it is really short and coarse, does not frizz at all.
2c/3a with some 2b-fine/coarse-iii-low porosity-normal elasticity
[FONT=&quot]Started CG 10/16/12
Co-Wash
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[FONT=&quot] Vo5 Kiwi Lime [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Conditioner:[/FONT][FONT=&quot] Tresemme Naturals
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[FONT=&quot]Styling Products:[/FONT][FONT=&quot] La Bella Lots of Curls gel [/FONT]

Comments

  • chupiechupie Posts: 5,280Registered Users Curl Connoisseur
    Beautiful though. I say 2c/3a. There are some real corkscrew curls in there. When was she relaxed (I assume "straightened once" was a relaxer...or keratin?) She would really benefit from the Curly Girl handbook (nice pressie sister :) ) A lot of the frizz might be from technique. Do you know what she is doing now for products and technique?
    2a medium porous, You can see my wavy tutorials here: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLy8bclCLgER5N_uVYSYZNxhBHSXAW40OQ and my wavy blog is The Wavy Nation http://wavynation.wordpress.com
  • CurlyUniqueCurlyUnique Posts: 94Registered Users
    chupie wrote: »
    Beautiful though. I say 2c/3a. There are some real corkscrew curls in there. When was she relaxed (I assume "straightened once" was a relaxer...or keratin?) She would really benefit from the Curly Girl handbook (nice pressie sister :) ) A lot of the frizz might be from technique. Do you know what she is doing now for products and technique?
    I was thinking 2c/3a but I wasn't sure. Oh yes those corkscrew curls are amazing! I have serious hair envy about those. Actually no when I said straightened once it really was just one time straightening her hair with my old straightener. I may have to buy that handbook for her. She has just been shampooing it with sulfate filled shampoo and silicone filled conditioner. She never puts any gel in it. Though the pics I posted are from today when I had her cowash and then I put gel in it. Doesn't look like much of a difference from how it normally looks though. She also has a horrible habit of brushing it.
    2c/3a with some 2b-fine/coarse-iii-low porosity-normal elasticity
    [FONT=&quot]Started CG 10/16/12
    Co-Wash
    :[/FONT]
    [FONT=&quot] Vo5 Kiwi Lime [/FONT]
    [FONT=&quot]Conditioner:[/FONT][FONT=&quot] Tresemme Naturals
    [/FONT]
    [FONT=&quot]Styling Products:[/FONT][FONT=&quot] La Bella Lots of Curls gel [/FONT]
  • susankempsusankemp Posts: 4Registered Users
    I can't add much because I'm new here and not an expert, but I will tell you your sister looks EXACTLY like my hair before I stopped shampooing 2 years ago. Even where it's straighter in the back. But I think that wave in the back is actually a lie, and when she stops using shampoo she's going to realize she has some corkscrews back there too. I also think if you don't know to flip your hair when styling it--which sounds like she doesn't do because she doesn't style it at all, then I bet the back just isn't getting hydrated enough. Which is also making it flatter. Because that was same as me. I mean honestly, if she is going to brush it, though, there is nothing to do about the frizz? It pulls out all the curls. Burn the brush?

    Also, I consider myself 2c/3a so I guess I second Chupie :)
  • chupiechupie Posts: 5,280Registered Users Curl Connoisseur
    I agree. I think that back hair would come to life if she followed Curly Girl. And also, if you could get her to a CHA curly artist or GOOD Deva stylist you'd be amazeballs at what her hair would look like. Are you near any of these places? How to find a Curly Hair Artist in your Area - Krista Leavitt - Curl Specialist
    2a medium porous, You can see my wavy tutorials here: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLy8bclCLgER5N_uVYSYZNxhBHSXAW40OQ and my wavy blog is The Wavy Nation http://wavynation.wordpress.com
  • CurlyUniqueCurlyUnique Posts: 94Registered Users
    susankemp wrote: »
    I can't add much because I'm new here and not an expert, but I will tell you your sister looks EXACTLY like my hair before I stopped shampooing 2 years ago. Even where it's straighter in the back. But I think that wave in the back is actually a lie, and when she stops using shampoo she's going to realize she has some corkscrews back there too. I also think if you don't know to flip your hair when styling it--which sounds like she doesn't do because she doesn't style it at all, then I bet the back just isn't getting hydrated enough. Which is also making it flatter. Because that was same as me. I mean honestly, if she is going to brush it, though, there is nothing to do about the frizz? It pulls out all the curls. Burn the brush?

    Also, I consider myself 2c/3a so I guess I second Chupie :)
    Thanks for the advice! Very helpful. Lack of hydration could very well be the problem with the back. I've explained how bad a brush is on her hair and she's finally decided to stop brushing it.
    chupie wrote: »
    I agree. I think that back hair would come to life if she followed Curly Girl. And also, if you could get her to a CHA curly artist or GOOD Deva stylist you'd be amazeballs at what her hair would look like. Are you near any of these places? How to find a Curly Hair Artist in your Area - Krista Leavitt - Curl Specialist

    I will definitely have to get her the book, maybe if she reads it she will start CG. She has no idea how to care for her hair, she cares for it like it's straight which I used to do the same thing with my hair.
    There is a stylist close to us but it's very pricey. I would have to look into it.
    2c/3a with some 2b-fine/coarse-iii-low porosity-normal elasticity
    [FONT=&quot]Started CG 10/16/12
    Co-Wash
    :[/FONT]
    [FONT=&quot] Vo5 Kiwi Lime [/FONT]
    [FONT=&quot]Conditioner:[/FONT][FONT=&quot] Tresemme Naturals
    [/FONT]
    [FONT=&quot]Styling Products:[/FONT][FONT=&quot] La Bella Lots of Curls gel [/FONT]
  • chupiechupie Posts: 5,280Registered Users Curl Connoisseur
    Save up! Or go in with relatives as a birthday or Christmas present!
    2a medium porous, You can see my wavy tutorials here: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLy8bclCLgER5N_uVYSYZNxhBHSXAW40OQ and my wavy blog is The Wavy Nation http://wavynation.wordpress.com
  • CGSince2002CGSince2002 Posts: 1,073Banned Users
    So very nice you want to help your little sister, how lucky she is! I am sure she is a 3A and I see great potential in her hair! CG is the perfect thing for her, and it does NOT have to be complicated at all. Just getting the right COs to use and she might even get away with not needing a gel, except for special occasions when she herself may want more hold.

    If for some reason you can't buy the book right away, try your local library, they may at least have the older version which is still very useful. And in the meantime you can read this primer that I wrote years ago and let her read it too: http://www.naturallycurly.com/curltalk/trying-shampoo-free-method/14702-introduction-no-poo-method.html

    The most important thing is to teach her how to scrub the CO on her scalp and then rinse it very well. Because she is young, if this is not stressed, she may not do it right and end up with greasy looking hair. Perhaps it would work well for her to put the CO in a plastic applicator bottle and if it's kind of heavy to slightly dilute it so it's easier for her to spread it all through her head. Then, after it's all rinsed out she must either reapply, wait a minute and rinse out lightly or just use a smaller amount to gently rake through all her hair (best if done while her head is down) after just blotting the excess water gently, preferably with an old T-shirt. She'll hopefully then have clumps in her hair and she can let it air dry or you can help her use a diffuser for a few minutes and just tell her to NOT touch her hair at all while it dries.

    When I first started the CG routine I never needed a gel to have frizz-free curls despite my hair being color-treated, and in recent times when my hair was even more processed and long I could still get away many times with just using my beloved VO5 KLS (which is my favorite co-wash) + a few drops of coconut oil as a LI, but the hair has to be well saturated so when it dries it will form a soft "cast", somewhat like we get with gel. She can then gently "fluff" her hair so it's not all plastered to her head and looks full and natural.

    I will try to remember to find you a video of how it's done, preferably with other details because it'll be easier for her to learn by seeing someone else doing it. I am sure that once she sees how nice her hair can look she'll catch on real quick!
    Joined Curltalk 1st time in early '02 shortly after starting CG. I'm a non-practicing Cosmetologist.
    Hair: color-treated, mostly 3A.
    CO-wash: VO5 K&L
    RO: SpaHaus Salon w/OO, VO5 Shea Cashmere, W.R. Trop. Coconut, Daily Defense Moisturizing & others.
    LI: Beautiful Curls w/Shea Butter & C.O., Hollywood Beauty OO Creme, VO5 K&L, Aveda Be Curly Curl Enhancer.
    Gels: LAL Wet Look, ORS Lock & Twist.
    Oils: Jojoba, EVCO & Africa's Best Ultimate Herbal Oil

  • CGSince2002CGSince2002 Posts: 1,073Banned Users
    Hey, hey, hey! I immediately remembered "who" had some good videos out there, the once very popular in NC.com, Jessicurl, and here's one of her videos that I hope will be helpful: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fGJT8dXErWQ
    Joined Curltalk 1st time in early '02 shortly after starting CG. I'm a non-practicing Cosmetologist.
    Hair: color-treated, mostly 3A.
    CO-wash: VO5 K&L
    RO: SpaHaus Salon w/OO, VO5 Shea Cashmere, W.R. Trop. Coconut, Daily Defense Moisturizing & others.
    LI: Beautiful Curls w/Shea Butter & C.O., Hollywood Beauty OO Creme, VO5 K&L, Aveda Be Curly Curl Enhancer.
    Gels: LAL Wet Look, ORS Lock & Twist.
    Oils: Jojoba, EVCO & Africa's Best Ultimate Herbal Oil

  • CurlyUniqueCurlyUnique Posts: 94Registered Users
    So very nice you want to help your little sister, how lucky she is! I am sure she is a 3A and I see great potential in her hair! CG is the perfect thing for her, and it does NOT have to be complicated at all. Just getting the right COs to use and she might even get away with not needing a gel, except for special occasions when she herself may want more hold.

    If for some reason you can't buy the book right away, try your local library, they may at least have the older version which is still very useful. And in the meantime you can read this primer that I wrote years ago and let her read it too: http://www.naturallycurly.com/curltalk/trying-shampoo-free-method/14702-introduction-no-poo-method.html

    The most important thing is to teach her how to scrub the CO on her scalp and then rinse it very well. Because she is young, if this is not stressed, she may not do it right and end up with greasy looking hair. Perhaps it would work well for her to put the CO in a plastic applicator bottle and if it's kind of heavy to slightly dilute it so it's easier for her to spread it all through her head. Then, after it's all rinsed out she must either reapply, wait a minute and rinse out lightly or just use a smaller amount to gently rake through all her hair (best if done while her head is down) after just blotting the excess water gently, preferably with an old T-shirt. She'll hopefully then have clumps in her hair and she can let it air dry or you can help her use a diffuser for a few minutes and just tell her to NOT touch her hair at all while it dries.

    When I first started the CG routine I never needed a gel to have frizz-free curls despite my hair being color-treated, and in recent times when my hair was even more processed and long I could still get away many times with just using my beloved VO5 KLS (which is my favorite co-wash) + a few drops of coconut oil as a LI, but the hair has to be well saturated so when it dries it will form a soft "cast", somewhat like we get with gel. She can then gently "fluff" her hair so it's not all plastered to her head and looks full and natural.

    I will try to remember to find you a video of how it's done, preferably with other details because it'll be easier for her to learn by seeing someone else doing it. I am sure that once she sees how nice her hair can look she'll catch on real quick!

    Hey, hey, hey! I immediately remembered "who" had some good videos out there, the once very popular in NC.com, Jessicurl, and here's one of her videos that I hope will be helpful: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fGJT8dXErWQ
    Thanks so much for the help! I will definitely get the book. I showed her today how to cowash, she wants to start doing that. Also thanks for the video link, very helpful.
    2c/3a with some 2b-fine/coarse-iii-low porosity-normal elasticity
    [FONT=&quot]Started CG 10/16/12
    Co-Wash
    :[/FONT]
    [FONT=&quot] Vo5 Kiwi Lime [/FONT]
    [FONT=&quot]Conditioner:[/FONT][FONT=&quot] Tresemme Naturals
    [/FONT]
    [FONT=&quot]Styling Products:[/FONT][FONT=&quot] La Bella Lots of Curls gel [/FONT]
  • Firefox7275Firefox7275 Posts: 3,750Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    IMO take baby steps with your sister, she doesn't need to do the hardcore/ full method. Losing the brush is a great first step.

    Maybe switch her to a gentle shampoo free of all anionics, and have her use rinse out conditioner as a leave in. Her hair clearly wants to clump and it is virgin so conditioner-only styling might be fine.

    Teach her plopping or scrunching the excess water out with a t-shirt or flour sack towel, it's not much more effort than towel turbanning.

    Then add in a silk/ satin pillowcase and overnight pineapple. You can go to conditioner only washing, adding gel or diffusing at a later point when she gets more interested in haircare.
    2a-2c, medium texture, porous/ colour treated. Three years CG. Past bra strap length heading for waist.

    CO-wash: Inecto coconut/ Elvive Volume Collagen
    Treatments: Komaza Care Matani, coconut/ sweet almond/ fractionated coconut oils, Hairveda Sitrinillah
    Leave in: Fructis Sleek & Shine (old), Gliss Ultimate Volume, various Elvive
    Styler: Umberto Giannini jelly, Au Naturale styling gelee
    Flour sack towel, pixie diffuse or air dry.
    Experimenting with: benign neglect
  • CGSince2002CGSince2002 Posts: 1,073Banned Users
    Thanks so much for the help! I will definitely get the book. I showed her today how to cowash, she wants to start doing that. Also thanks for the video link, very helpful.[/QUOTE]

    YW, all for the "curly cause", lol! ;-)
    Joined Curltalk 1st time in early '02 shortly after starting CG. I'm a non-practicing Cosmetologist.
    Hair: color-treated, mostly 3A.
    CO-wash: VO5 K&L
    RO: SpaHaus Salon w/OO, VO5 Shea Cashmere, W.R. Trop. Coconut, Daily Defense Moisturizing & others.
    LI: Beautiful Curls w/Shea Butter & C.O., Hollywood Beauty OO Creme, VO5 K&L, Aveda Be Curly Curl Enhancer.
    Gels: LAL Wet Look, ORS Lock & Twist.
    Oils: Jojoba, EVCO & Africa's Best Ultimate Herbal Oil

  • NurseAngelaNurseAngela Posts: 7Registered Users
    I read the curly girl handbook for free online! :)

    (Ugh apparently I'm too new to post links. But google 'curly girl handbook free PDF' and it'll be the second one in the search results, at ePubbud.)
  • CurlyUniqueCurlyUnique Posts: 94Registered Users
    IMO take baby steps with your sister, she doesn't need to do the hardcore/ full method. Losing the brush is a great first step.

    Maybe switch her to a gentle shampoo free of all anionics, and have her use rinse out conditioner as a leave in. Her hair clearly wants to clump and it is virgin so conditioner-only styling might be fine.

    Teach her plopping or scrunching the excess water out with a t-shirt or flour sack towel, it's not much more effort than towel turbanning.

    Then add in a silk/ satin pillowcase and overnight pineapple. You can go to conditioner only washing, adding gel or diffusing at a later point when she gets more interested in haircare.
    Thanks for advice, I'll definitely keep it in mind.
    I read the curly girl handbook for free online! :)

    (Ugh apparently I'm too new to post links. But google 'curly girl handbook free PDF' and it'll be the second one in the search results, at ePubbud.)
    Thanks! I will check it out.
    2c/3a with some 2b-fine/coarse-iii-low porosity-normal elasticity
    [FONT=&quot]Started CG 10/16/12
    Co-Wash
    :[/FONT]
    [FONT=&quot] Vo5 Kiwi Lime [/FONT]
    [FONT=&quot]Conditioner:[/FONT][FONT=&quot] Tresemme Naturals
    [/FONT]
    [FONT=&quot]Styling Products:[/FONT][FONT=&quot] La Bella Lots of Curls gel [/FONT]
  • frcklsfrckls Posts: 528Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    I agree with all the advice given. I started off like her hair, but with less spirals. I had crazy frizz and undefined curls, especially in the summer. I've laid off any tools for 2.5 years now and the curls get looser in the winter, thanks to cold wind while airdrying. She will definitely see definition and less frizz with CG.
    Here is my before/after hair with CG if you're interested. I'm new and still trying to get the hang of things myself.
    http://www.naturallycurly.com/curltalk/2/173921-cg-newbie-eu-2b-c-medium-texture-medium-porosity-halp.html

    Try her to start CG with one condish. Suave Naturals Tropical Coconut works for me by itself, although I use a different one as RO/LI. Probably you can make her a bottle of FSG mixed with a few drops of light oil, like grapeseed or sweet almond, to give shine and definition and to fight frizz. I like indie perfumes and I found Darling Clandestine's oil perfume amazing for my hair. Evonne uses grapeseed, sweet almond and rice bran oil as the base of her oil perfumes and she's got amazing scents!

    When you're deep treating your hair, ask her to join you. I used to do that with my youngest sister, as we both have curly hair. We used to help each other with caring and styling our hair. Teach her how you care and style your own hair. Younger sisters tend to look up to (and sometimes copy) their older sisters. It was always fun doing it together! Too bad my sister is not into CG. Yet.

    Good luck and have fun!
    2B/C canopy & 2A/B underlayer
    coarse | low-normal porosity | normal elasticity | low-med density
    (by GoosefootPrints)

    Clarify: Suave Daily Clarifying Shampoo, Citric acid rinse
    RO/LI: Jason Moisturizing 84% Aloe Vera / Paul Mitchell The Conditioner
    Styler: DIY Okra Jelly / Paul Mitchell Thicken Up / Shu Uemura Cotton Uzu Flexible Defining Cream
    Treatment: H&B Wonder Oil + VCO, Honey-Cardamom-EVOO-Chamomile
  • CurlyUniqueCurlyUnique Posts: 94Registered Users
    frckls wrote: »
    I agree with all the advice given. I started off like her hair, but with less spirals. I had crazy frizz and undefined curls, especially in the summer. I've laid off any tools for 2.5 years now and the curls get looser in the winter, thanks to cold wind while airdrying. She will definitely see definition and less frizz with CG.
    Here is my before/after hair with CG if you're interested. I'm new and still trying to get the hang of things myself.
    http://www.naturallycurly.com/curltalk/2/173921-cg-newbie-eu-2b-c-medium-texture-medium-porosity-halp.html

    Try her to start CG with one condish. Suave Naturals Tropical Coconut works for me by itself, although I use a different one as RO/LI. Probably you can make her a bottle of FSG mixed with a few drops of light oil, like grapeseed or sweet almond, to give shine and definition and to fight frizz. I like indie perfumes and I found Darling Clandestine's oil perfume amazing for my hair. Evonne uses grapeseed, sweet almond and rice bran oil as the base of her oil perfumes and she's got amazing scents!

    When you're deep treating your hair, ask her to join you. I used to do that with my youngest sister, as we both have curly hair. We used to help each other with caring and styling our hair. Teach her how you care and style your own hair. Younger sisters tend to look up to (and sometimes copy) their older sisters. It was always fun doing it together! Too bad my sister is not into CG. Yet.

    Good luck and have fun!
    Wow that's amazing! Your hair is beautiful!

    Thanks! I will definitely check out that mix and perfume. I got the Suave Coconut, she loves the smell of it. Haha.

    That's a really good idea. Didn't think about it.
    2c/3a with some 2b-fine/coarse-iii-low porosity-normal elasticity
    [FONT=&quot]Started CG 10/16/12
    Co-Wash
    :[/FONT]
    [FONT=&quot] Vo5 Kiwi Lime [/FONT]
    [FONT=&quot]Conditioner:[/FONT][FONT=&quot] Tresemme Naturals
    [/FONT]
    [FONT=&quot]Styling Products:[/FONT][FONT=&quot] La Bella Lots of Curls gel [/FONT]

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