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Protein-insensitive?

My hair is breaking like crazy. My hair had chemical damage from a relaxer and some heat damage but I was managing. Then I got sick for a few months and things got worse. I thought of trying a protein treatment. As everybody was talking about IAgirl's PT, I decided to do it.

I prepared it as prescribed, added a small amount of conditioner and oil, and let it sit for 20 minutes. I rinsed it out, and there was nothing different about my hair.

Then two days later, I prepared a more concentrated version, also with no oil or conditioner in it, just pure gelatin and a drop or two of lemon juice, I let it sit for 40 minutes until it almost dried out completely. Then I rinsed out and my hair is exactly the same, no added strength or softness, no reduction in porosity, no decrease in the amount of breakage, and the hair didn't even become stiff or brittle.

Why does my hair not respond to protein at all? Am I protein sensitive or protein craving? Or am I simply insensitive to protein? And what should I try now to help my hair?

I tried deep conditioning too. Blueblood suggested that my hair may simply be too damaged to be salvaged. I wonder if there are any other suggestions?

Comments

  • Firefox7275Firefox7275 Posts: 3,750Registered Users
    If your hair is badly damaged you may not get noticeable results from a single protein treatment, you may have to repeat a few times and/ or utilise heat. Another possibility is you have too much other stuff laying on cuticle for the hydrolysed protein to adsorb (stick) or absorb (penetrate) effectively. Do you use butters waxes or silicones/ was your hair clarified before the treatment?

    If hair is overly porous you can also try overnight treatments with a penetrating oil such as coconut, olive, sweet almond or avocado to reduce porosity over time.

    Many intensive conditioners contain few to no penetrating ingredients, they are largely cosmetic not 'repairing' (albeit temporary since hair is dead). Potentially beneficial ingredients include ceramides, 18-MEA and panthenol.
    2a-2c, medium texture, porous/ colour treated. Three years CG. Past bra strap length heading for waist.

    CO-wash: Inecto coconut/ Elvive Volume Collagen
    Treatments: Komaza Care Matani, coconut/ sweet almond/ fractionated coconut oils, Hairveda Sitrinillah
    Leave in: Fructis Sleek & Shine (old), Gliss Ultimate Volume, various Elvive
    Styler: Umberto Giannini jelly, Au Naturale styling gelee
    Flour sack towel, pixie diffuse or air dry.
    Experimenting with: benign neglect
  • curry curlscurry curls Posts: 969Registered Users Curl Dabbler
    I've also tried the gelatin treatment a couple of times and didn't notice any difference. My hair does love protein though. I used to use the Nexxus Emergencee, but I can't find it in stores anymore. Now, I use Sally Beauty's Colorful Neutral Protein Filler. I like it. I just use it undiluted. I still wish I could find the Emergencee somewhere though. Maybe you could try a different protein treatment.
    Started CG July 8, 2008 :)


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    Co-wash: Trader Joe's Tea Tree Tingle or Trader Joe's Nourish Spa
    Rinse out: Ion Effective Care Treatment
    Leave-in/Styling: Alba Botanica leave in with Kenra Moisturizing Conditioner :love2: on top
  • CGSince2002CGSince2002 Posts: 1,073Banned Users
    Unless the damage is extensive, if one type of protein doesn't work, just try another. While collagen helps with elasticity keratin is better for breakage. I recommend Colorful Neutral Protein Filler sold at Sally's, you get quite a few uses even out of the smaller bottle which is very cheap. You can dilute it with water in a spray bottle and apply to hair as a LI or mix it with your LI.

    Many years ago I got excellent results from Fermodyl for Extremely Damaged Hair (pink label) but I stopped using it because it contains SLS and I do the CG method, so I ended up cutting my hair pretty short. But if you want to see how long you can hang on to your hair it may be worthwhile to try this and see. HOWEVER, you need to be aware that once the hair is breaking like that it's very rare to be able to stop it because it usually means most of the cuticle layers are gone and the cortex is exposed and frayed (and it can barely be called hair anymore...).
    Joined Curltalk 1st time in early '02 shortly after starting CG. I'm a non-practicing Cosmetologist.
    Hair: color-treated, mostly 3A.
    CO-wash: VO5 K&L
    RO: SpaHaus Salon w/OO, VO5 Shea Cashmere, W.R. Trop. Coconut, Daily Defense Moisturizing & others.
    LI: Beautiful Curls w/Shea Butter & C.O., Hollywood Beauty OO Creme, VO5 K&L, Aveda Be Curly Curl Enhancer.
    Gels: LAL Wet Look, ORS Lock & Twist.
    Oils: Jojoba, EVCO & Africa's Best Ultimate Herbal Oil

  • CGSince2002CGSince2002 Posts: 1,073Banned Users
    Hmm, I just did a search for the Fermodyl and see that the name, packaging and even ingredients have changed, it now says Roux Anti-aging LI so I probably wouldn't bother with it.
    Joined Curltalk 1st time in early '02 shortly after starting CG. I'm a non-practicing Cosmetologist.
    Hair: color-treated, mostly 3A.
    CO-wash: VO5 K&L
    RO: SpaHaus Salon w/OO, VO5 Shea Cashmere, W.R. Trop. Coconut, Daily Defense Moisturizing & others.
    LI: Beautiful Curls w/Shea Butter & C.O., Hollywood Beauty OO Creme, VO5 K&L, Aveda Be Curly Curl Enhancer.
    Gels: LAL Wet Look, ORS Lock & Twist.
    Oils: Jojoba, EVCO & Africa's Best Ultimate Herbal Oil

  • Firefox7275Firefox7275 Posts: 3,750Registered Users
    HOWEVER, you need to be aware that once the hair is breaking like that it's very rare to be able to stop it because it usually means most of the cuticle layers are gone and the cortex is exposed and frayed (and it can barely be called hair anymore...).
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    I like the way you put that, so true!! :headbang:
    2a-2c, medium texture, porous/ colour treated. Three years CG. Past bra strap length heading for waist.

    CO-wash: Inecto coconut/ Elvive Volume Collagen
    Treatments: Komaza Care Matani, coconut/ sweet almond/ fractionated coconut oils, Hairveda Sitrinillah
    Leave in: Fructis Sleek & Shine (old), Gliss Ultimate Volume, various Elvive
    Styler: Umberto Giannini jelly, Au Naturale styling gelee
    Flour sack towel, pixie diffuse or air dry.
    Experimenting with: benign neglect
  • CGSince2002CGSince2002 Posts: 1,073Banned Users
    Well, the truth is the truth! I learned in beauty school that a split end is similar to a "run" in a stocking, the tendency is for the split to keep going up, which is probably the real reason why I opted to get rid of all the damaged hair that time. P&G has this page showing what damaged hair really looks like under a microscope, which is very sobering. So, "repair" can only be hoped for in the early stages, past a certain point we're only postponing the inevitable.

    Joined Curltalk 1st time in early '02 shortly after starting CG. I'm a non-practicing Cosmetologist.
    Hair: color-treated, mostly 3A.
    CO-wash: VO5 K&L
    RO: SpaHaus Salon w/OO, VO5 Shea Cashmere, W.R. Trop. Coconut, Daily Defense Moisturizing & others.
    LI: Beautiful Curls w/Shea Butter & C.O., Hollywood Beauty OO Creme, VO5 K&L, Aveda Be Curly Curl Enhancer.
    Gels: LAL Wet Look, ORS Lock & Twist.
    Oils: Jojoba, EVCO & Africa's Best Ultimate Herbal Oil