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About to fall off the cg bandwagon.

I have been using organic, strictly cg products ever since I got my first Devacut. My hair is healthy, I can tell, but it doesnt curl as well and my hair loves me some silicones. I'm not sure what to do because while I know the cg products are healthier, my hair looks and responds much better to silicone and alcohol laden products. :/ it makes no sense. On top of this I don't want to dissapoint my stylist. Using the non-organic products is much cheaper but also much more complicated- with the organic products I have just one multitasking styler, but with inorganic my routine becomes inexplicably more complicated. There are so many factors going into this and now that I'm done ranting can someone please give me advice? Should I hold out with the natural and it will get better? Use what my hair responds best too? Help please. :neutral:
2c/3a, botticelli/s'wavy, thick hair :queen:
Devacuts 3.5.14, 7.16.15
CG 9.11.14, on & off for years before
:sunny:
GOD really loves you. ∞
HGs: SM Shampoo, SM conditioners (RO), LA Looks Sport gel
*I love scalp scrubs, bangs, clipping roots, and diffusing!*
I wash my hair 1-2 times a week, usually 1
:cat:

Comments

  • ZeldahimeZeldahime Posts: 223Registered Users
    I say experiment, have fun, and follow/listen to *your* hair. Your head is unlike any other, and definitely not your stylist's.
    Very fine, high porosity, currently dyed and growing out the relaxed portions. I'm pretty sure my hair's 3b something IIRC. We will be finding out for sure as time goes by.
  • SereneCurlsSereneCurls Posts: 1,145Registered Users
    It's totally up to you, your stylist doesn't have to deal with your hair day to day. Which products are you using currently, and which are the non-cg products you like? Maybe we can suggest some cg alternatives. That being said, remember that if you want to use Silicones, you should be able to remove them with a fairly gentle low poo with coco betaine when you have buildup.
    3a, dense, fairly coarse, normal porosity and elasticity, just below shoulder
    Low poo: Giovanni 50 50
    Co-wash: aia, suave coconut, salon care
    R O: Tresume Naturals, gvpcb
    L I: KCKT, gvpcb
    Stylers: cjpp, re : coil, kccc, brhg
    Oils: coconut, argan
    Experimenting with: curls rock amplifier, pantene mousse
  • ReservechicReservechic Posts: 798Registered Users
    I always recommend paying special attention to one's hair, and noticing how well one's hair reacts to that product. If it doesn't react well, to it, then I do not recommend continued used of it. However, if great results are seen, then you'll know you've got a winner.

    When it comes to the CG Method, there are many curlies that it works for, while there are curlies out there that it doesn't work for at all. Everyone's hair is different, so if your hair is not responding well to the CG method, that's okay. You have the right to use whatever you feel works best for your hair. When it comes to hair, there are no set rules. What matters the most is getting to really know your hair, and understanding what it likes the most as well as the least. And, using such information towards your advantage.
    Diagnosed with Scalp Eczema 6/2015
    (Don't hair type/loose curl pattern/fine texture/low density/high porosity

    Current Regimen (Ayurvedic Based):
    Cleansers- Bobeam Shampoo Bars
    Stylers-Rotate between Camille Rose Naturals Almond Jai Twisting Butter and Camille Rose Naturals Aloe Whipped Butter Gel

    I only wear my hair in wash n gos or buns. Also,
    I do not use conditioner on my hair on a weekly basis. And, my hair is A ok with that!
  • ginabean98ginabean98 Posts: 197Registered Users
    Ive been using the products listed in my signature. My hair loves Infusium 23 leave in which has a large amount of amodimethicone. Ive heard this is water soluble? I even heard that Deva Curl One Condition has it. Either way I could occasionally remove it with a sulfate free shampoo. I know that there is is a silicone free alternative from Sally's called Biotera, but I'm kind of a cheapo and want to finish my bottle of the original. :) The Co wash I love is suave scalp solutions anti dandruff Conditioner Bc I have eczema type stuff on my scalp and it keeps it at bay..... of course that has silicones too. And what's about alcohols in gels? Bad? Sorry I have so many questions. :)
    2c/3a, botticelli/s'wavy, thick hair :queen:
    Devacuts 3.5.14, 7.16.15
    CG 9.11.14, on & off for years before
    :sunny:
    GOD really loves you. ∞
    HGs: SM Shampoo, SM conditioners (RO), LA Looks Sport gel
    *I love scalp scrubs, bangs, clipping roots, and diffusing!*
    I wash my hair 1-2 times a week, usually 1
    :cat:
  • bacbac Posts: 35Registered Users
    My hair is not a fan of Deva products. I know you're trying to do everything exactly as written in the book, but you may want to consider changing stuff around to suit YOUR needs, not the generic guidelines.

    I would try another line. Do you have a Trader Joe's near you? Tea Tree Tingle as a co-wash works well for scalp issues ime. Have you tried Kinky Curly products? They don't build up as much as Deva products do.
    Fine, med/high porosity, med density, protein craving
    Last chemical straightening Nov. 2013
  • ginabean98ginabean98 Posts: 197Registered Users
    Thanks for the recs! Ive actually been using Shea Moisture, not Deva Curl. Been there, tried that, and returned it lol!
    2c/3a, botticelli/s'wavy, thick hair :queen:
    Devacuts 3.5.14, 7.16.15
    CG 9.11.14, on & off for years before
    :sunny:
    GOD really loves you. ∞
    HGs: SM Shampoo, SM conditioners (RO), LA Looks Sport gel
    *I love scalp scrubs, bangs, clipping roots, and diffusing!*
    I wash my hair 1-2 times a week, usually 1
    :cat:
  • bacbac Posts: 35Registered Users
    Sorry, I must have seen something shiny after I saw DevaCut. Ha.

    Shea products also built up for me, and weighed everything down. My rec of the TJ conditioner still stands though, it's helped my scalp eczema a lot. I use that and Suave with good results.
    Fine, med/high porosity, med density, protein craving
    Last chemical straightening Nov. 2013
  • ginabean98ginabean98 Posts: 197Registered Users
    Ok thank you. I will start using that tj ASAP! I think I will occasionally use a sulfate free shampoo if I have used cones that week. Thanks for all the help everyone!
    2c/3a, botticelli/s'wavy, thick hair :queen:
    Devacuts 3.5.14, 7.16.15
    CG 9.11.14, on & off for years before
    :sunny:
    GOD really loves you. ∞
    HGs: SM Shampoo, SM conditioners (RO), LA Looks Sport gel
    *I love scalp scrubs, bangs, clipping roots, and diffusing!*
    I wash my hair 1-2 times a week, usually 1
    :cat:
  • multicultcurlymulticultcurly Posts: 5,132Registered Users
    You may want to try a hair analysis by goosefootprints on Etsy. That will help you determine what products work best for your hair. If silicones work best for you then use them. CG isn't for everyone. You could also be using the wrong natural products for your hair properties.

    Sent from my SPH-L710 using CurlTalk App
    3b/c, medium-coarse, low porosity, high density
    HG: Jessicurl Too Shea and Kinky Curly Curling Custard
    Shampoo: nonsulfate shampoo and Suave Naturals sulfate shampoo when needed
  • ginabean98ginabean98 Posts: 197Registered Users
    You may want to try a hair analysis by goosefootprints on Etsy. That will help you determine what products work best for your hair. If silicones work best for you then use them. CG isn't for everyone. You could also be using the wrong natural products for your hair properties.

    Sent from my SPH-L710 using CurlTalk App

    How much does something like this cost?
    2c/3a, botticelli/s'wavy, thick hair :queen:
    Devacuts 3.5.14, 7.16.15
    CG 9.11.14, on & off for years before
    :sunny:
    GOD really loves you. ∞
    HGs: SM Shampoo, SM conditioners (RO), LA Looks Sport gel
    *I love scalp scrubs, bangs, clipping roots, and diffusing!*
    I wash my hair 1-2 times a week, usually 1
    :cat:
  • frizzinflafrizzinfla Posts: 190Registered Users
    I second the vote for TJ Tea Tree conditioner. Great cowash!
  • sixelamysixelamy Posts: 4,156Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    If your hair isn't curling right, I would stay far far away from the Shea Moisture Line. Mine did the same thing, it gave me lots of buildup. I say clarify and try different products. I highly highly recommend Sevi products. You can google her website - Sevi Eco Vegan Hair + Bodycare.

    As far as silicones are concerned, a number of us use them on this board. You just have to make sure you are using the appropriate surfactant to take it out. You don't have to use a sulfate, you can use Coco Betaine or Cocamidopropyl Betaine and it works like a charm.
    2c-3a - med-coarse - normal-high porosity - high density
    :bunny:
    NP/LP: CJ Daily Fix, KMF Whenever / Giovanni TTTT
    RO/LI: Aussie Moist, CJ Argan & Olive Oil, Hask Keratin Protein
    DC/PROTEIN: KC Stellar Strands / CNPF
    STYLER: CJ Curl Queen
    COLOR: henna, amla & indigo
    :thumbdown:: glycerin in high/low dews, polyquat-10 & 11, parabens
  • ginabean98ginabean98 Posts: 197Registered Users
    Thanks everyone! Sixelamy, I am also on the no-waste challenge and am hoping to use up everything including the Shea Moisture but I will use it verrrry sparingly.
    2c/3a, botticelli/s'wavy, thick hair :queen:
    Devacuts 3.5.14, 7.16.15
    CG 9.11.14, on & off for years before
    :sunny:
    GOD really loves you. ∞
    HGs: SM Shampoo, SM conditioners (RO), LA Looks Sport gel
    *I love scalp scrubs, bangs, clipping roots, and diffusing!*
    I wash my hair 1-2 times a week, usually 1
    :cat:
  • bacbac Posts: 35Registered Users
    A Goosefootprints analysis is $25 and worth every penny.
    Fine, med/high porosity, med density, protein craving
    Last chemical straightening Nov. 2013
  • multicultcurlymulticultcurly Posts: 5,132Registered Users
    bac wrote: »
    A Goosefootprints analysis is $25 and worth every penny.

    Thanks for answering this!

    Sent from my SPH-L710 using CurlTalk App
    3b/c, medium-coarse, low porosity, high density
    HG: Jessicurl Too Shea and Kinky Curly Curling Custard
    Shampoo: nonsulfate shampoo and Suave Naturals sulfate shampoo when needed
  • CGSince2002CGSince2002 Posts: 1,073Banned Users
    I'm confused, your first post says you've been using "organic, strictly CG products" but when someone asked you said the products are in your signature yet what's there contradicts that and/or is pretty vague... like the CO. So I'm left wondering what are really the products you've been using consistently.

    With that said, I'd strongly advice against 'cones, they are notorious for causing scalp problems on some very unsuspecting people, and I was one of them. I cannot ever forget one time years ago when I succumbed to the temptation of buying one of those 2-in-1 "shamp-itioners" whose "magical" ingredient is a strong 'cone. It immediately irritated my scalp and I got a gross case of eczema or some other flaky, greasy/gunky condition... only months after getting cured from something similar with Rx Selsun shampoo.

    When I began CG I had dandruff which disappeared quickly thanks to my co-wash which had TTO in it, plus 5 different oils. But from time to time the condition would recur, even if just in one or two flaky spots, and the best thing I've found to keep my scalp healthy is borax. A couple of washes a week with a solution of 1 rounded teaspoon dissolved in one cup of very hot water (with a good massage plus letting it sit for several minutes) and the flaking/itching was gone. These days I only do a borax wash every once in a while mainly to remove buildup as it's "da bomb" for that.

    Seems to me like you need to refine your routine and find some products that do work for your hair type. Perhaps you need to do a PT or two, but if I were you I would not give up just yet without exhausting all possibilities. Frankly IMO CG leads to a healthier way of taking care of your hair, and we all already use too many chemicals in our daily lives which are not good for our health. So please just think about it before you go back to things you only think your hair "loves". The most logical thing would be for your hair to like things that do have a real affinity with its chemistry, not a bunch of artificial stuff.
    Joined Curltalk 1st time in early '02 shortly after starting CG. I'm a non-practicing Cosmetologist.
    Hair: color-treated, mostly 3A.
    CO-wash: VO5 K&L
    RO: SpaHaus Salon w/OO, VO5 Shea Cashmere, W.R. Trop. Coconut, Daily Defense Moisturizing & others.
    LI: Beautiful Curls w/Shea Butter & C.O., Hollywood Beauty OO Creme, VO5 K&L, Aveda Be Curly Curl Enhancer.
    Gels: LAL Wet Look, ORS Lock & Twist.
    Oils: Jojoba, EVCO & Africa's Best Ultimate Herbal Oil

  • ginabean98ginabean98 Posts: 197Registered Users
    I'm confused, your first post says you've been using "organic, strictly CG products" but when someone asked you said the products are in your signature yet what's there contradicts that and/or is pretty vague... like the CO. So I'm left wondering what are really the products you've been using consistently.

    I decided to try cones again for one a little while to see how it went. I changed my signature in accordance to that Bc I wanted it to be updated, but I had strictly been using Shea Moisture Cg products. Thanks for the tip! I think the Shea Moisture may have been too heavy, so I will be trying to stick with natural I think but try to use lighter alternatives. I made fsg last night, we'll see how it works.
    2c/3a, botticelli/s'wavy, thick hair :queen:
    Devacuts 3.5.14, 7.16.15
    CG 9.11.14, on & off for years before
    :sunny:
    GOD really loves you. ∞
    HGs: SM Shampoo, SM conditioners (RO), LA Looks Sport gel
    *I love scalp scrubs, bangs, clipping roots, and diffusing!*
    I wash my hair 1-2 times a week, usually 1
    :cat:
  • ZeldahimeZeldahime Posts: 223Registered Users
    ginabean98 wrote: »
    I decided to try cones again for one a little while to see how it went. I changed my signature in accordance to that Bc I wanted it to be updated, but I had strictly been using Shea Moisture Cg products. Thanks for the tip! I think the Shea Moisture may have been too heavy, so I will be trying to stick with natural I think but try to use lighter alternatives. I made fsg last night, we'll see how it works.

    Yep. Listen to your hair. I was using gobs and gobs of product and my hair isn't long. I had originally been avoiding SM because everyone kept saying how heavy it was and how much it built up. My hair is fine to very fine and is supposed to get weighed done easily. (hehhehe) Well a bogo sale and a sniff of the aroma of the coconut and hibiscus condish made me cave in. Well that was almost two months ago and my hair's been loving it.
    Very fine, high porosity, currently dyed and growing out the relaxed portions. I'm pretty sure my hair's 3b something IIRC. We will be finding out for sure as time goes by.
  • tengoRizostengoRizos Posts: 195Registered Users
    I would also recommend trying to use a new product EXACTLY how the directions say, to start. For example, even if normally you smooth all your products to soaking wet hair, if the product says scrunch into damp hair, try it that way first. I've had products that were "meh" when I applied them one way, but turned into HGs when applied the way I should have used them from the start.
    2c/3a mix and very fine, normal porosity
    Shampoo: Loreal EverSleek Sulfate-free (Only 1 or 2x a week)

    CoWash Suave Naturals Coconut or VO5 Kiwi Lime Squeeze

    Rinse Out: Giovanni 2chic Avocado and Olive Oil or GVPCB

    Leave in: More Suave Naturals Coconut or GVPCB Always diluted with water/epsom salt spray

    Products: AG Re:coil with EcoStyler Olive Oil gel or HETT gel