Ugh Straight Hair

russianprncssrussianprncss Posts: 450Registered Users Curl Neophyte
Every once in a while I wish my hair was straight and thick instead of wavy and thick. Partially because every time my hair is straight, everyone just flips with glee!

So annoying... Why is that?! Is it Kim Kardashian's fault? Is it advertising's fault? What's wrong with wavy/curly hair??

Basically, I'm in the annoying period where I wait for a hair cut to fix my layers cuz right now the back is still wavy but the front is straight cuz the layers are too long, so I brushed through and now it's this weird straight/wavy hybrid.

Anyway, wavy hair problems.
2C/3A; very, very thick fine to medium hair; low porosity.

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"Forget not that the earth delights to feel your bare feet and the winds long to play with your hair." -Khalil Gibran

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  • curlygirlINcurlygirlIN Posts: 70Registered Users
    I hear ya! I'm a 2c 3a, and used to wish that my hair were straight. Whenever I would straighten it everybody would tell me how great it looks. The most important thing is to be yourself, not what other people want you to be. I like my hair better when I wear it curly, so that's what I do. I still get comments on having poofy hair and stuff, but I just ignore it. Do what YOU want to do with your hair!!
  • arelarel Posts: 54Registered Users
    Sometimes I wish that I had never discovered I have 'wavy' hair ... the whole battle right now with some pieces super straight, some wavy and some frizzy is driving me crazy lol...
    I cut a couple of inches on Saturday to see if that helps.... if not, I will cut even more ,... I'm about to give up completely...
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  • russianprncssrussianprncss Posts: 450Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    Don't give up! I'm still figuring out how to care for it, but I know I feel more like myself with my natural texture and you'll figure out how to work with what you have, too :)
    2C/3A; very, very thick fine to medium hair; low porosity.

    Current Products:
    Co-Wash: As I Am Cleansing Co-Wash
    Conditioner: Shea Moisture Tahitian Masque, Aubrey Organics GPB, Shea Moisture
    Leave-In: Coffee Coco Curl Creme, Coffee Coco Curl Creme Lite
    Stylers: Mop Top Curl Custard, Shea Moisture Curl Custard[/FONT]

    "Forget not that the earth delights to feel your bare feet and the winds long to play with your hair." -Khalil Gibran
  • arelarel Posts: 54Registered Users
    Thanks! I will continue to hold as much as I can... I've seen that some in the board have seen better results after they do a big chop... but let's see how it goes for me... ;)
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    Testing: LALSAG, AVG,
  • CGSince2002CGSince2002 Posts: 1,073Banned Users
    Blasphemy! How can you say that when you have such pretty hair?!

    Ok, ok, so you said you need a cut... when I need one I just can't wait, it's like suddenly I can't stand my hair, but that too shall pass! But speaking of which, yesterday I gave myself a trim because last week I noticed something I'd forgotten about, that on my last cut they didn't layer my back properly. Now cutting my own back is a very hard thing for me to do, but I sort of managed even though I still don't think I shortened it enough.

    In reality what I'd like to do is get a lot of it cut off because now it's so hot, and to make matters worse my car's a/c went kaput. My b/f, who prefers my hair longer, had offered to fix it but he's been dragging his feet so I told him I couldn't ride in that hot car with my hair hanging down my neck because I don't wear it up, so maybe this time he'll get it done...
    Joined Curltalk 1st time in early '02 shortly after starting CG. I'm a non-practicing Cosmetologist.
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  • arelarel Posts: 54Registered Users
    Thank you ladies!

    @CG: I hope your ac is fix soon... here in SFL we cannot be without ac in the car... the heat is too much to handle...
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  • russianprncssrussianprncss Posts: 450Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    Thank you CG! I'm seeing a hair dresser for a consult Friday, so that's exciting and then hopefully a cut won't be too far away!

    That pic is actually old... Looks more 2A I think. Now that I've gone CG, I'd say my hair is more 2B/2C.

    And Arel, I bet your hair is totally worth caring for CG. Are you gonna do the big chop?
    2C/3A; very, very thick fine to medium hair; low porosity.

    Current Products:
    Co-Wash: As I Am Cleansing Co-Wash
    Conditioner: Shea Moisture Tahitian Masque, Aubrey Organics GPB, Shea Moisture
    Leave-In: Coffee Coco Curl Creme, Coffee Coco Curl Creme Lite
    Stylers: Mop Top Curl Custard, Shea Moisture Curl Custard[/FONT]

    "Forget not that the earth delights to feel your bare feet and the winds long to play with your hair." -Khalil Gibran
  • CGSince2002CGSince2002 Posts: 1,073Banned Users
    arel wrote: »
    Thank you ladies!

    @CG: I hope your ac is fix soon... here in SFL we cannot be without ac in the car... the heat is too much to handle...

    Don't give up, you'll see it's well worth it, if there's anything I can help with ask away. Although my hair looks mostly like a 3A I guarantee you I face most of the challenges of wavies so I've had to change products and technique several times to suit different hair lengths, weather or condition of my hair.
    Thank you CG! I'm seeing a hair dresser for a consult Friday, so that's exciting and then hopefully a cut won't be too far away!

    That pic is actually old... Looks more 2A I think. Now that I've gone CG, I'd say my hair is more 2B/2C.

    And Arel, I bet your hair is totally worth caring for CG. Are you gonna do the big chop?

    Be sure to make her/him understand that you don't want a lot cut off (unless you really do...), if all you need is a trim tell them you want your ends "dusted". I've found that when I explain myself clearly I'm more likely to get what just what I need.
    Joined Curltalk 1st time in early '02 shortly after starting CG. I'm a non-practicing Cosmetologist.
    Hair: color-treated, mostly 3A.
    CO-wash: VO5 K&L
    RO: SpaHaus Salon w/OO, VO5 Shea Cashmere, W.R. Trop. Coconut, Daily Defense Moisturizing & others.
    LI: Beautiful Curls w/Shea Butter & C.O., Hollywood Beauty OO Creme, VO5 K&L, Aveda Be Curly Curl Enhancer.
    Gels: LAL Wet Look, ORS Lock & Twist.
    Oils: Jojoba, EVCO & Africa's Best Ultimate Herbal Oil

  • arelarel Posts: 54Registered Users
    Thank you CG! I'm seeing a hair dresser for a consult Friday, so that's exciting and then hopefully a cut won't be too far away!

    That pic is actually old... Looks more 2A I think. Now that I've gone CG, I'd say my hair is more 2B/2C.

    And Arel, I bet your hair is totally worth caring for CG. Are you gonna do the big chop?

    Thanks Princess, I am sure my hair is worth the effort... thing is sometimes I get totally discouraged... I am not sure about the big chop... It's been a while since the last time I was on a hairdresser's chair. I plan to do a hair analysis first to know once and for all my hair properties. Then, try new products (I really want to try and like SheaMoisture) if all that fails, a cut is my last option
    CO: VO5 KLSC Conditioner
    RO: SNCT
    PT: AIgirl's gelatin recipe

    Testing: LALSAG, AVG,
  • arelarel Posts: 54Registered Users
    Don't give up, you'll see it's well worth it, if there's anything I can help with ask away. Although my hair looks mostly like a 3A I guarantee you I face most of the challenges of wavies so I've had to change products and technique several times to suit different hair lengths, weather or condition of my hair.

    That's the plan: continue the journey. One thing is for sure, my hair condition has improved tremendously now that I care better for it. That I think is a big plus!

    Thanks so much for offering your help. Your comments are always on point and I really appreciate you take the time to answer anyone's questions here
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    PT: AIgirl's gelatin recipe

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  • BelleBohemienneBelleBohemienne Posts: 375Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    I think it's just human nature to believe the grass is greener on the other side. I'm lucky that my hair is versatile enough to go back and forth. Some people here are so into CG and no heat and me I think you should take care of your hair, regular DTs or PTs, and trims. Do what makes you happy! I like to be daring with my hair so I go between long and short and really long and really short, etc.

    Anyway, straight hair has just as many issues as curly hair they just aren't the same issues. Healthy hair is beautiful hair no matter if it's straight or curly! :)
    ~Belle Bohemienne

    "If you are depressed you are living in the past. If you are anxious you are living in the future. If you are at peace you are living in the present." -Lao Tzu
  • arelarel Posts: 54Registered Users
    I agree 100% with you Belle, we are our worst critics! And yes, nothing is more beautiful that healthy hair; either straight, curly, wavy, long, short, colored, virgin, etc.
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    RO: SNCT
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  • russianprncssrussianprncss Posts: 450Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    So true! I mean seriously, people with straight hair wish they had wavy hair and we either wish our hair was curlier or straighter! Silly us!
    2C/3A; very, very thick fine to medium hair; low porosity.

    Current Products:
    Co-Wash: As I Am Cleansing Co-Wash
    Conditioner: Shea Moisture Tahitian Masque, Aubrey Organics GPB, Shea Moisture
    Leave-In: Coffee Coco Curl Creme, Coffee Coco Curl Creme Lite
    Stylers: Mop Top Curl Custard, Shea Moisture Curl Custard[/FONT]

    "Forget not that the earth delights to feel your bare feet and the winds long to play with your hair." -Khalil Gibran
  • eveumeveum Posts: 744Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    It's strange to me that you'd say that. I've never ever heard anyone in person complain about wavy/curly hair or say that it's undesirable or ugly. In fact I've only heard straight haired girls wish they had curls. If people thought waves and curls were ugly then curlers and curling wands wouldn't have been invented.

    Maybe people just compliment your hair when it's straightened or straight because it's different to what they're used to seeing you with, just like if a girl with straight hair curled her hair for the day, it's not that they don't like her natural hair, they're just used to seeing it. My sister has wavy hair like me and recently she's been straightening it. I told her it looked nice because I think it does, it doesn't mean I don't like her natural hair as well.

    Low Shampoo: Aveda Be Curly Shampoo
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    Treatments: SM Black Castor Oil Masque/ Packet Gelatine
    Leave in: Redken Diamond Oil Conditioner
    Styling: AG Recoil Curl Activator/V05 Mega Hold/Cornstarch
    Refresh: Redken Fresh Curls Curl Boost


    Between Waist and Hip Length (stretched), 2C with 2B roots
  • noodlynoodly Posts: 161Banned Users
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  • CGSince2002CGSince2002 Posts: 1,073Banned Users
    noodly wrote: »
    You're a wavy! You can easily wave, curl AND straighten it without the need of using heat :D I used to love bone straight hair too, now I love ALL hairtypes and manipulate my fried hair without the use of heat :oops:

    Kim Kardashian by the way naturally probably has that thick bone straight armenian hair but I see her sporting loose waves more often than bone straight hair...in fact almost every celebrity is sporting 2a hair at least...maybe because their hair looks good because their stylist styles is good, that's a different story.

    By the way from my personal experience I noticed that only in highschool fried bone straight hair is loved LOL.

    And if that's your hair without manipulation in the profile picture, that's exactly what celebrity hair is. Straightish wavish, something I can only achieve with rollers.

    When my hair was just wavy (climate has a lot to do with that...) I thought I was really lucky for the reasons you mentioned. Since I started styling my own hair at 14 (with few exceptions when I went to a salon for more elaborate 'dos) and enjoyed it, it was never hard for me to try whatever was the new thing around: first wet roller set/hood dryer combo, foam rollers for night time, dry wrapping, electric curlers, blow drying, curling irons, curling brush dryers, and I even owned a inexpensive Conair flat iron (which I gave away after using just a couple of times), etc. And when I became CG and my hair began to curl more it was just great, less work for me.

    But I'm now back to waves... I couldn't stand the heat so last week I got a "big chop" and now, except for one small section over my forehead, my hair won't curl or look ok on its own, so I'm using rollers once again, maybe until I grow back one inch or so.
    Joined Curltalk 1st time in early '02 shortly after starting CG. I'm a non-practicing Cosmetologist.
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    RO: SpaHaus Salon w/OO, VO5 Shea Cashmere, W.R. Trop. Coconut, Daily Defense Moisturizing & others.
    LI: Beautiful Curls w/Shea Butter & C.O., Hollywood Beauty OO Creme, VO5 K&L, Aveda Be Curly Curl Enhancer.
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  • noodlynoodly Posts: 161Banned Users
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  • CGSince2002CGSince2002 Posts: 1,073Banned Users
    I wonder if you saw a thread that Chupie started not too long ago showing the permanent wave machine, a scary contraption that took all of 6 hours to curl the hair, yet lots of women were willing to sit through it and pay whatever it cost just to NOT have straight hair as for many decades curls and waves were the only acceptable and elegant way to wear one's hair.

    A lot of you here are too young to know that back in the '40s, '50s & '60s women with straight hair were going to salons for permanent waves. Those that grew up around then and are still alive still get permanents and they've been the ones telling me how lucky I am to have "naturally curly" hair.

    Think about this, the hair industry has to change things around every so often in order to sell stuff, because once EVERYONE owns several sizes of curling irons, the electric or steam curlers and any other means to curl the hair, in order to make people spend $$ they have to change the "trend" so people will feel the need to spend again on getting all the gadgets and products that will get them the hair styles that are "in". Once they noticed that lots of women were abandoning sulfate shampoos and embracing co-washing, what did they do? The came up with sulfate-free shampoos and/or co-washes (think L'Oreal & Pantene...), it's the old "if you can't beat them join them".

    So I say, let's just be glad that we're living in a time when we can decide how we want to wear our hair without being necessarily driven by what someone else dictates. Let's enjoy our natural textures and be a good example for the generations to come so they can have the freedom and knowledge most of us didn't have while growing up.
    Joined Curltalk 1st time in early '02 shortly after starting CG. I'm a non-practicing Cosmetologist.
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    LI: Beautiful Curls w/Shea Butter & C.O., Hollywood Beauty OO Creme, VO5 K&L, Aveda Be Curly Curl Enhancer.
    Gels: LAL Wet Look, ORS Lock & Twist.
    Oils: Jojoba, EVCO & Africa's Best Ultimate Herbal Oil

  • jenjen182jenjen182 Posts: 32Registered Users
    I had straight thick hair for a long time, and I have to say I absolutely HATED it. My hair would be insanely frizzy and tangled all the time. Literally, I would go outside (I live near the ocean, so lots of wind) and my hair would just form knots the second I went out the door. Everytime I would put it up it would slowly fall down due to its thickness and every braid would make it frizzier. I straightened and straightened to no avail, and curls from an iron would just fall out. I spent years attempted to fix my hair and never was able to. So glad I'm curly now! :toothy4:
    Mostly 2c hair, with a little mix of 2b to the back. Not on the CG method yet, but plan on going on it ASAP.
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  • Lin1066Lin1066 Posts: 2Registered Users
    You have exactly what I want and I have exactly what you want - I am a 1 dead straight, will not hold a perm for long and needs the helping hand of a Karmin G3 curling iron every morning! I would kill to have your hair. You know the saying - "the grass is always greener on the other side".
  • RimiRimi Posts: 2,001Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    If your hair is strong and healthy, love it for what it is! Nothing is wrong with straight hair :)
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  • naturecatnaturecat Posts: 1,986Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    Lin1066 wrote: »
    You have exactly what I want and I have exactly what you want - I am a 1 dead straight, will not hold a perm for long and needs the helping hand of a Karmin G3 curling iron every morning! I would kill to have your hair. You know the saying - "the grass is always greener on the other side".

    The upside is with straight hair, you tend not to get frizz. Before I realized I was naturally wavy, I tried all these overnight curls hairstyles on youtube. But mine never looked good because I had too much frizz (because I didn't have straight hair--duh!). So you can do all these overnight curl styles (actually there is even a 15 minute wave style by luxy hair if I recall correctly) and look fabulous in them. Beautyklove also has fabulous tutorials for curls and waves for straight hair, and it looks natural on her.

    I had straight hair for a long time (or so I thought) and I longed to go back to the tight curls of my babyhood. Then I found I still had something left of them, but have trouble managing them…. I miss the days where I just blow dried my hair and it didn't take up so much time. Green grass indeed!

    3A/f/i
    Super baby fine hair, low porosity
    Shampoos: SM Fruit Fusion (mostly), Avalon lemon (to clarify). Occasional aloe vera and glycerin to wash.
    Stylers: Intelligent Nutrients Perfect Hold Hairspray
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  • jenjen182jenjen182 Posts: 32Registered Users
    When I had straight hair, it tended to be very frizzy, dry and thick. I know people who have fine, straight hair and they seem to control the frizz easily versus having thick hair.

    But my hair honestly seems to love being curly. The frizz has stopped a lot, and I love how I can just play with it and not have to worry about brushing!
    Mostly 2c hair, with a little mix of 2b to the back. Not on the CG method yet, but plan on going on it ASAP.
    SHAMPOO: Paul Mitchell Lemon Clarifying
    CONDITIONER: John Frieda Frizz-Ease Smooth
    DEEP CONDITIONER: Organix Morrocan Oil Cream
    STYLING: Garnier Sleek and Shine Serum, John Frieda Frizz-Ease Dream Curls Daily Styling Spray, and Suave Captivating Curls Whipped Mousse
  • MsyodaMsyoda Posts: 26Registered Users
    According to Asian wig makers, straight European hair is actually various types of what they call body wave hair. When they sell a wig as straight for European hair it is always a body wave or some kind of type 2 hair.This would mean that your hair is straight hair for European hair types. Besides, the difference between type 1 and type 2 hair is minuscule. It is far easier to make type 2 hair pin straight than it is to put a curl in it also. If you just hit type 2 hair with hot air from a blow dryer then brush through it while it is still hot, then don't move it around much, it will stay straight. That is a lot easier than trying to scrunch a curl into it with gels and a diffuser by far.
    type 1-2c fine to medium, dry, thin hair
  • wavydazewavydaze Posts: 2,065Registered Users Curl Novice
    Msyoda wrote: »
    According to Asian wig makers, straight European hair is actually various types of what they call body wave hair. When they sell a wig as straight for European hair it is always a body wave or some kind of type 2 hair.This would mean that your hair is straight hair for European hair types. Besides, the difference between type 1 and type 2 hair is minuscule. It is far easier to make type 2 hair pin straight than it is to put a curl in it also. If you just hit type 2 hair with hot air from a blow dryer then brush through it while it is still hot, then don't move it around much, it will stay straight. That is a lot easier than trying to scrunch a curl into it with gels and a diffuser by far.

    Hmm it depends on what type 2 you are. Maybe 2a yes, but 2c? No you're generally much better off treating 2c hair as curly hair... and believe me 2b or 2c hair WILL NOT STAY STRAIGHT if the dew points are above like 40 or any slight humidity in the air. Hehe, I've been there many times. It's a losing battle.

    Anyway to the OP, I think this topic comes up a lot. I think there's always a root of it that is based in race. Otherwise I think straightening hair can be easier than caring for waves or curls in some cases. Styling natural curls and waves is an art... it becomes easier once you have it down but it can take A LOT of patience and experimentation to get there. An investment. But any bozo can use a straightener and get the results they're looking for... as long as it's not humid haha!
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  • russianprncssrussianprncss Posts: 450Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    I think I straighten my hair just enough to remind myself why I don't like my hair when it's straightened.
    It just looks puffy and has no shape or personality and then I'm touching it all the time. It's ridiculous.
    Can't wait to wash my hair tomorrow and see it curly again.

    Phew!
    2C/3A; very, very thick fine to medium hair; low porosity.

    Current Products:
    Co-Wash: As I Am Cleansing Co-Wash
    Conditioner: Shea Moisture Tahitian Masque, Aubrey Organics GPB, Shea Moisture
    Leave-In: Coffee Coco Curl Creme, Coffee Coco Curl Creme Lite
    Stylers: Mop Top Curl Custard, Shea Moisture Curl Custard[/FONT]

    "Forget not that the earth delights to feel your bare feet and the winds long to play with your hair." -Khalil Gibran

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